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I'm going to order Juan Cole's book today. I have the typical American understanding of the Muslim world --pretty small--and admire the engagement and seriousness that Cole has brought to this issue again and again. That's why I'm addicted to his blog.

But let's talk about the Israel lobby and the Iraq War. Reading MJ's synopsis, I find Cole's view unpersuasive. I don't think the oil companies had any interest in the Iraq War. Saudi Arabia didn't want it. Just ask Chas Freeman, the former ambassador, who vehemently opposed the war. Realists hated this war. John Mearsheimer was for the Gulf War out of an American interest that included oil, Saudi Arabia was for that war. Both were against the Iraq war.

Using the oil companies as a motivator strikes me as a lazy leftwing parking job. Everyone's going to believe it on our side because we all hate the oil companies; but the evidence isn't there.

It's true that Cheney was at American Enterprise Institute before the Bush administration, and he brought all the brains into the White House from AEI, and AEI's board has a lot of oil guys on it. Ok. The problem with this chain of logic is:
Cheney is one of the most opaque guys in American public life. When he does admit of a philosophy it's straight neocon stuff.

He got the neocon doctrine at AEI; and that was that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and we have to change regimes to make the Middle East safe for the west. Cheney fell in love with Bernard Lewis, a leading neocon. Had him to the White House, toasted him at his birthday. Cheney believes Bernard Lewis. The brains that came in from AEI were people like David Wurmser and Richard Perle. These guys didn't care about oil, they care about Israel and ending the Oslo peace process, taking the world's eyes off the Israeli occupation.

The problem I have with people who diminish the neocon influence is that they are diminishing the reason that Juan Cole blogs and that people put millions into thinktanks-- ideas have influence. They are diminishing the crucial role of intellectuals in coming up with really good and bad policy ideas. Peace Corps, Vietnam, Great Society, welfare reform, all these things come out of people thinking. Iraq came out of very bad thinking. So did Vietnam. David Halberstam wrote The Best and the Brightest about those bad ideas.

Another reason people blame the oil companies is to escape the thrust of Walt and Mearsheimer's argument, which the Forward, a Jewish newspaper in New York, summed up, In Dark Times, Blame the Jews. Good liberal war critics don't want to be in the position of blaming the Jews.

I'm Jewish. And I blame some Jews. Rightwing neocon Jews who share the Likudnik view that the Israeli occupation is OK. Until Jews deal with this issue, the community I grew up in won't be healed of its responsibility for violence in the Middle East. And until the U.S. deals with its special relationship to Israel and the afflictions of the Israeli occupation, our foreign policy in that region will be hamstrung. As Cole has pointed out in his first post, That's what the region cares about: Palestinian statelessness.

Talking about this stuff means facing the sociological piece, which is the incredible success of Jews in American society and the importance of Jewish money in the political process. I know, that's uncomfortable stuff. As a Jew, I wish that money had a neutral effect. But right now it tends to be a rightward effect, and it gives a blank check to Israel, which in turn gives my country a terrible reputation in the Arab world. Both the Lebanon war in '06 and the Gaza slaughter in '09-'09--both strategic disasters that anyone could see coming--were signed off on by overwhelming majorities of Congress because of fears of Jewish power in the political process.

When Juan Cole's job offer was knocked down at Yale University a couple years ago, it wasn't because of the oil companies. It was the neocons who care about Israel and who want to sustain the ideas behind the war on terror, and who feared an intellectual threat to this orthodoxy from Cole, who has done amazing work on his blog on this issue. And the political question here is: Why did the Yale brass overturn a faculty decision in favor of Cole? It wasn't oil companies, it was, I believe, fears of losing funding. Similarly, some of the first threats Harvard got when Steve Walt's name showed up on the Israel Lobby paper in '06 came from the Hillel rabbi at Harvard and the neocon New York Sun saying they were going to question the funding for Walt's chair--from Robert Belfer, who is on the board of the neocon thinktank WINEP. Big money helps explain Bill Clinton's support for the horrifying West Bank colonies ("settlements") in the '92 election and his wife's support for the Iraq war. You just can't get around that factor.

To sum up, I'm not sure why we went into Iraq. We'll have a better idea when all the memoirs come out. George Bush was the decider. He has a very weak mind. I don't think the Oedipal--war my daddy didn't have the cojones to attempt; Saddam tried to take out my dad--stuff can fully be discounted. Cheney has a strong will, and probably a high IQ, but he's not an intellectual. I think he got his ideas here from the neocons, who were pushing this stuff for many years, pushing the invasion of Iraq.

It strikes me as a form of politeness to excuse the Israel lobby from the motivation here. And many former policy people have basically seconded this view, from Colin Powell saying it was the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs that pushed Iraq, to George Tenet blaming the Jews in Pat Tyler's recent book, to Condi Rice deputy Philip Zelikow saying the Israel-security interest was the interest that dare not speak its name, to Rice herself saying as much in Glenn Kessler's superb biography, The Confidante.


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You're not sure why we went into Iraq?

We had just been attacked on 9/11, the NeoCons saw a perfect opportunity to hit back at an easy target, remove an old nemesis, and prove their theory of pre-emptive War and "freedom-bringing".

There, just saved you from wasting your time on Bush Admin.' memoirs.

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Now that's giving 'im the old Hawaiian Punch! :)

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The idea that that securing the oil fields of Iraq was not paramount in the minds of the White House when contemplating the invasion is simply unbelievable and flies in the face of mountains of evidence. Far from being a "lazy leftwing parking job" oil as a primary motivation for the war is very, very clear. To deny that displays a willful naivete in my opinion.

There had never been and will never be the influence of as many "oil men" in the executive branch as there were during the Bush regime. They openly and brazenly discussed the importance of securing the second largest proven oil reserves in the world before, during and after the illegal invasion. For example, did Mr. Weiss miss that Alan Greenspan openly acknowledged the war was undertaken to control the oil? To think that the control of Iraqi oil was not the primary motivation for the invasion and to say there's no convincing evidence that it was is absurd.

Oil, of course, was not the only consideration in deciding to undertake the criminal enterprise known as the Iraq war. There were numeous other factors. The bad ideas of the neocon intellectuals were only window dressing to provide an alternate rationale for the illegal invasion and occupation. All of the factors played a part in the series of horrendous decisions that brought the US to Iraq. Of all the factors influencing the horrendous decision to invade Iraq, the biggest was that we had the most incompetent and extreme people making the ultimate decision on it: Bush and Cheney supported by a whole cadre of yes men extremists and sycophants. They used everythig else in order to implement their bad decision.

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In support of your comment: Kevin Phillips' book American Theocracy contains convincing documentary evidence that Iraq's oilfields have been considered to be important to American and British interests for nearly a century.

On the topic of America's relationship with Muslims, the sorry episode of American and British manipulation of Iranian internal affairs circa 1952 reiterated by John Perkins in Confessions of an Economic Hit Man shows what our "representatives" were willing to do to protect oil interests.

Anyone wishing to shore up America's (or western) relationships with the Muslim community had better be prepared both to come to terms with our history and be convincing about future behavior. There's plenty of history there, so I believe that will not be easy.

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That was why Cheney had a map of the location of oil fields on the table at his classified energy meeting in 2001.

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And let's not forget that Halliburton and KBR were perfectly positioned to get tapped repair all the damage done to oil production during the invasion and the aftermath. In addition to other contracts that would become available during the occupation.

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That's why, there are major military bases built in Iraq, along with the largest US embassy in the world.

That's why Obama will leave 50,000 troops there indefinitely.

That's why the oil fields were defended but the infrastructure for clean water, sewage and electricity were destroyed. ("stuff happens")

That's why museums holding the antiquities of civilization were allowed to be looted but the oil ministry building was protected. ("what's a few vases?")

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Cherchez l'huile.

That's my 'lazy leftwing parking job' and I'm sticking with it.

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George Bush wasn't the decider. The decision to go to war was made when the head of the Bush VP search team, a guy named Cheney, picked a guy not so coincidentally named Cheney to be that VP. Or perhaps when the decision was made to make Cheney the head of the search team to start with, which for all I know was suggested by Cheney.

In Jan 1998 the Project for a New American Century sent a Letter to President Clinton urging regime change via military action. Among the eighteen signers are the following names:
Elliott Abrams
Richard L. Armitage
John Bolton
Zalmay Khalilzad
Richard Perle
Donald Rumsfeld
Paul Wolfowitz
R. James Woolsey
Robert B. Zoellick

This letter followed up on the PNAC's 1997 Statement of Principles which advocated using American military force to "shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests". This statement was signed by (among other prominent neo-cons from academia and the media) these names:
Elliott Abrams
Dick Cheney
Frank Gaffney
Fred C. Ikle
Zalmay Khalilzad
I. Lewis Libby
Donald Rumsfeld
Paul Wolfowitz

From all appearances the entire Bush war-making team was assembled years in advance and inserted as a whole at the top decision making levels at the Pentagon and elsewhere by Dick Cheney when he self-selected himself as VP and so defense policy manager.

It is also interesting to see that while George W. Bush was not on the list that JEB Bush was. Which opens the interesting suggestion that as early as 1997 there was a plan to insert a Bush in the WH backed by a Cheney led military team already intent on invading or otherwise attacking Saddam's Iraq at the earliest opportunity. Due to circumstances beyond Cheney's control he seems to have ended up with the wrong Bush.

So I would agree that the war on Iraq was not directly about oil except that control of oil was a necessary element if you were planning to 'shape a new century favorable to American principles and interest'.

This isn't Tin Foil Hat territory, the links are from the PNAC website. The Statement of Principles is a straightforward argument for American hegemony and the Letter shows that the starting point was planned to be Iraq. 9/11 just facilitated a strategy and tactical plan established and PUBLISHED four years before. As far as I am concerned these two documents and their combined signatories constitute the smoking gun on Iraq.

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No, you are cherry-picking from PNAC signatories. The complete list of signatories on one or both of the letters you linked to above is:

  • Elliott Abrams
  • Richard L. Armitage
  • Gary Bauer
  • William J. Bennett
  • Jeffrey Bergner
  • John Bolton
  • Jeb Bush
  • Dick Cheney
  • Eliot A. Cohen
  • Midge Decter
  • Paula Dobriansky
  • Steve Forbes
  • Aaron Friedberg
  • Francis Fukuyama
  • Frank Gaffney
  • Fred C. Ikle
  • William Schneider, Jr.
  • Donald Kagan
  • Robert Kagan
  • Zalmay Khalilzad
  • William Kristol
  • I. Lewis Libby
  • Richard Perle
  • Norman Podhoretz
  • Dan Quayle
  • Peter W. Rodman
  • Stephen P. Rosen
  • Henry S. Rowen
  • Donald Rumsfeld
  • Vin Weber
  • George Weigel
  • Paul Wolfowitz
  • R. James Woolsey
  • Robert B. Zoellick

These were all well-known right-siders in the late 90's. Many are Neoconservatives, but many are not. Armitage is considered to be an enemy by many Neocons, because he shut down an effort by Richard Perle and Stephen Bryen to export new radar tech to Israel during the Reagan Admin. the only reason Armitage was a part of the Bush II Admin is Colin Powell. Armitage was known for using chickenhawk derogations about Neocons, because they had never served militarily. He's a paleo-con, as is Bolton, and that is different from Neocons.

Then there is Bauer, Jeb Bush, Forbes, Khalilzad and Quayle. None of these can be properly peg as being part of a neocon conspiracy. Henry S. Rowen has a load of nasty political baggage related to Pakistan's acquisition of Nuclear power, but he's certainly not a neocon either. Don't make a conspiracy out of nothing. PNAC was an attempt to get a Republican elected President in 2000 by portraying Clinton's Iraq policies as failures, and it was able to get a great deal of traction. It is no surprise that persons who signed on to PNAC would receive political appointments by Bush after his election. They were united in the belief that Saddam needed to be ousted, by force if necessary, but let's not forget the AUMF in Iraq, 2002. That idea seemed to be believed by the great majority of Federal Politicians.

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Dude, Armitage was in favor of invading Iraq and only disagreed, as did Powell, with how to do it and manage it afterward. Gary Bauer is a rapture fundie. Of course, he wanted to go into Iraq, because it would draw Gog and Magog into the region.

Don't you get it? 95% of the people on that list were for taking out Saddam. You mention Bolton as a paleo?! Hell, Bolton wanted to invade all the countries in the Mideast opposed to U.S. wishes!

Methinks your reactionary comment was not well-thought out, or you're not terribly informed.

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I agree. The PNAC kept alive the flame of taking over Iraq for its oil fields during the Neocon Winter of the Clinton presidency.

GHW Bush was supposed to win in 1992 and invade Iraq after a few more years of weakening by sanctions and bombings. When that didn't happen (instead, Ross Perot happened), the Iraq plan went semi-underground, only to emerge full-blown in 2000 and 2001.

To summarize, Bush and Cheney were never NOT going to invade Iraq, no matter which Bush or when.

Israel wanted us to invade. The oil companies would get new fields, plus enormous windfall profits till Iraq stabilized, and Shiite Iraq became a quasi-counterpoint in the region to Saudi Arabia's dominance, which also was a policy goal of the American oilmen (a win/sorta-win proposition for the neocons, one they would gladly live with).

Israel had wanted the U.S. to invade Iraq for years. Only when the Bush and Cheney were installed would that happen, and, I'm convinced, they didn't need neocons to plan, support, or make that happen. They happened to want and believe the same thing.

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Two links to articles that offer counter-arguments to blaming it all on the Israel Lobby. Underlying both is a very compelling point: that taken in the whole historical context of America's reach into the Third World post WWII, The US Mid Eastern policy is difficult to differentiate from the rest. America has shown itself to be very hostile to secular indigent independence movements, especially when the belief was that they would lead to a nationalisation of natural resources. This has occurred in Central America, South America, Asia, Africa, as well as the Middle East. Blaming the "Israel Lobby" falsely absolves America from its rightful responsibility. The Israel Lobby has not led American policy by the chain in its nose, but instead worked hard to assure that its interests dovetailed with the US Government's.


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To a large extent the Republican Party is the party of beligerence. George Bush Sr. toned down the beligerence once he was elected. George Bush Jr. just upped the beligerence upon becoming elected. Beligerence was policy. Iraq was a standard around which the Republican Party could be beligerent. Basically the goal of the Republican Party was to crush it's enemies and then wonder why. Basically if Germany has a Nazi Party Germany is going to attack Czechoslovakia. With a neo-con Republican Party in charge the US was going to broaden the war in the Mideast. I think the neo-cons are aware that neo-con poliicies haven't assisted Israel at all. It is not about Israel so much as it about war after war to achieve the New American Century. War lovers gained control of the US and Iraq was attacked. The real intersts of these people is war.

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I would note that apart from Cheney there don't seem to be any oil men signing either list. Instead you get Forbes and a couple of Kagans and Podhoretz and Kristol.

In my view Cheney and crew just viewed oil as another necessary element to be used in the course of gaining their true goal. Which was American economic and military hegemony backed at home by an Arbitrary Executive himself buttressed by a Permanent Majority.

One of Hitler's first strategic moves was to gain control of Romanian oil fields, just as Tojo made sure secure those of then Dutch East Indies. Because the establishment of empire crucially depends on securing vital war supplies while denying them to your opponents. Which doesn't mean that Tojo was an oil man. To say that Iraq was just about oil is to confuse means and ends.

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The signatories on the pnac list prove nothing but that a bunch of right wingers signed on to this particular idea. They didn't all have the same reason for doing so, but it's easy to get wingnuts to agree to adopting hostile military postures to anyone they fear.

If the goal was US economic and military hegemony in the area as we agree the question must be why? The answer is obvious: to control the oil: that's why. The American imperialists fear that the US will lose it's cheap and freely flowing oil spigot sometime in the future if it doesn't control those oil fields. Thus, in their minds, the illegal invasion of Iraq is perfectly sensible because it "secures" Iraqi oil. All the business about Israel, etc... is nothing but a sideshow that would be completely ignored and unimportant if there were no oil at stake in Iraq. That doesn't mean the whole set of sideshow issues isn't extraordinarily dangerous and all that, it just isn't the primary motivating reason behind the Iraq war.

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The neocons, regional regime changers, oil people etc... needed those Democratic votes -- they had the "Scoop Jackson Democrats" but they also needed those Democratic Israel-Firsters in Congress as well... and yes I believe they do exist. Israel was a partner not just a sideshow.

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The US would never do something like that even for Israel if the only objective is Israel's security. The one thing that made the gambit worth it for Cheney and Bush and those who wish to maintain the US empire is oil. Without the prospect of oil under US control, the invasion would never have occured.

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I'm not someone that believes the war was primarily for Israel... However, Israel was a necessary partner, and remember oil is just as much a national security interest for Israel as it is for the US neocons [thinking Holbrooke?].

Empires with a huge MIC need oil, and note regional oil depots. Israel would obviously prefer to deal with the US rather than Iran or SA.

Looking back it looks like Israel had a big role in the manipulation of intelligence and, I believe, the all important manipulation of Congress especially on the Democratic side via the arm-twisting activities of AIPAC?

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Great Britain was a "necessary partner" as well. Plenty of others belong in that group - all of them had their reasons. Yet I don't see any concerted effort to hold them accountable.

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And don't forget Poland!

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The UK had its own problems at the time. I'm still not sure whether David Kelly's death was really a suicide.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3513812.stm

Also, I don't believe the UK had a specially staffed intel office in the Pentagon, nor was working/lobbying the halls of Congress for war.

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Weiss argues:
1. Most neocons are Jewish
2. Neocons are responsible for Iraq war
3. Therefore Jews are responsible for Iraq war

From Rhinoceros by Ionesco:
1. All cats are mortal
2. Socrates is mortal
3. Therefore Socrates is a cat

Exactly same arguments could (and frequently have been) made about bankers in 19-th century Europe, Soviet Communists, American liberals, alcohol retailers in pre-revolutionary Russia, you name it.

Perhaps Socrates was indeed a cat. A jewish one too...

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Anatol, you analogy is not analogous. You need to take that logic class again. The two equations you created are not equal.

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In other words:

To represent what Weiss said: draw a big circle representing all Jews. Then intersect that circle with another smaller circle representing Neocons. Most of the Neocon circle is overlapped by the bigger circle representing Jews. Imoportant though: The circles overlap. Some Jews are Neocons and most Neocons are Jews.

To represent Ionesco: Draw a big cirlce representing everything that is mortal. Draw two smaller circles that do not overlap each other inside the mortal circle. One small circle represents cats. Another small circle represents Socrates. Notice, though, the two smaller circles are independent. They don't overlap. No cats are Socrates and Socrates is not a cat.

Therefore, logically, Weiss' statement has merit, though it is not conclusive. Ionesco's statement is simply absurd.

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Faroff:

Therefore, logically, Weiss' statement has merit, though it is not conclusive.
I rest my case. Read the Rhinoceros, and think about the character of the Logician - it'll do you a lot of good.

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I can fault your logical path, but your conclusion is right on. Maybe the Neocons are mostly Jewish (mostly? I honestly dunno), but they are first and foremost their own wackjob group, and if they're related to the Lobby, it's a splinter relationship.

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No, anatol, Mr. Weiss never made the assertion - in his very honest, brave post - that "Jews are responsible for Iraq war". That's the kind of logical fallacy / fact-twisting that helped propel us into this nightmarish quagmire. Mr. Weiss does point out, correctly, that some Jews were responsible, just as some Gentiles were. There was, I believe, a confluence of interests that wanted an American military presence in the Middle of the Middle East - and what that "presence" entailed was a full combat-ready army, backed up by naval carrier strike forces and supply systems. That was done, and there we remain. Most Jews remain against the war, but it is a signal political component among Jews to do whatever they can to protect and sustain Israel. The Israel Lobby cannot operate without donor-supplied funds, and Jewish loyalty to Israel has been used by this front to underwrite political support for pro-war policy. To say otherwise is ridiculous and hypocritical.

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You're wasting your breath. Accusations of anti-Semitism are all that the anatols have left. They don't want to take responsibilty for the slow-motion genocide that is Israel's Palestinian policy, or the fact that the rabidly pro-Israel neocons are primarily resposnible for the debacle that is Iraq.

Yes, oil was a factor in the decision to go to war. But the intellectual and "moral" arguments that were the primary vehicle for advancing the decision to go to war were all Likudnik propaganda.

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OK brewmn61, I stand corrected:
1. Neocons support Israel
2. Neocons are responsible for Iraq war
3. Therefore supporters of Israel are responsible for Iraq war

Still the same logic, and the same smell

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To make that work you need to include this:
- only Neocons support Israel

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Oil was not "a" factor it was THE primary factor.

The "arguments" were nothing but window dressing for grabbing the oil. Nothing any of the other interests could have done would have been enought to take us to war without oil as the primary motivator.

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Anglo-American oil companies did not push the Iraq war: Not the majors, not the independents, not the drilling/service/technology firms like Schlumberger, not even the non-Cheney part of Halliburton that is now free of KBR.

True, there was an "Edwardian Navalism" theme to US-UK participation in the First ("Iran-Iraq") and Second ("Kuwait") Gulf Wars. But, the Third Gulf ("Iraq-Iran") War was jumped up after 9/11 with the DSCC/DCCC rushing to get in on the action. Actually, only the Army and Marine Corps seem to have put up any serious material or moral opposition. The draft-dodging Clintonites and fastidiously semi-pacifist Labourites did not.

Both initiative and persistence in promoting the war came from what Michael Lind calls "Darbyites, Thatcherites, and Trotskyites" in both the US and UK. Grass-roots, relatively low-income, Darbyites even furnished some blood and treasure. But, the Washington-centric Trotskyites and Wall Street Thatcherites just took cash-out.

The whole lot are a collection of authoritarian anarchists with motley, tax-exempt or otherwise untaxed funding sources, not so different from those of domestic or international terrorists, nothing like the victims of taxes Democrats levy on those suckers who think they are represented by people they merely vote for and cannot afford to also hire or purchase access to.

So it is that such an influential coalition was and still is sustained, mainly, by gullible or corrupt "Hold Harmless", in all cases cowardly, Democrats in Congress. These feckless office-squatters long ago stopped even trying to tax the inheritances, unearned gains, multi-nationalities and ground or monopoly rents that sustain both of the Congressional parties, not so much the state and local parties.

The DSCC/DCCC is responsible for (a) funding anything, "Jes' He'p Ever'body!", and (b) regulating nothing save "pay to play" campaign finance, certainly not for (c) disciplining themselves or their wealthy patrons -- great patriots, like Sir Alan Stanford, renowned geniuses, like Bernie Madoff, and so on.

American Christians, Conservatives, Jews, and Oil Field Trash generally do not need or deserve to be lumped with the Anglo-American nomenklature of very distinguished bond-lawyers, big-four account-decorators, magical credit-rating conjurors, or their felonious paper-hanging commissionaires and to be blamed for the Iraq War or much else. "All are punished".

For the most part, as voters, we were able to hold Republicans to account in 2008.

But, for me as a Democratic Party official, the biggest challenge now is holding (i) self-serving Democratic Congressional barons, (ii) more bloated than ever lobbies that sustain those blow-hards, and (iii) the crony capitalist apologists and, implicitly, cover-up artists in the lame Obama Treasury, Justice, and Bush-era Defense Departments to account in primary elections before the 2010 mid-term.

Otherwise, the GOP will drop a Newtron Bomb on us all again, just because a bunch of resume-padding Ivy League lawyers and ass-kissers have no plan, clue, or spine when it comes to dealing with their own pretentious kind, nothing but hypocritical pity for and staged anger over the un-bonused little people who will soon be ready to show them the door as, in the case of the ridiculous Ron Kirk, I thought we already had.

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Hear! Hear!

Thanks!

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Bravo especially on the final paragraph JR!

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Phillip Weiss is a mitzvah!

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We had as much control over Saddam's oil as we do over his successor's oil or were ever likely to. W's alcoholism destroyed many brain cells, but he is not and was not ever that dumb. And what in the name of Herzl's craziest descendant is the "Israel Lobby"? Is Peace Now part of it? Or are they part of the great Communist Nazi Anti-Semitic Conspiracy to detonate simultaneous Persian nukes in Tel Aviv, Brooklyn, Peoria, and Ellesmere Island?

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PTroub,

And what in the name of Herzl's craziest descendant is the "Israel Lobby"? Is Peace Now part of it? Or are they part of the great Communist Nazi Anti-Semitic Conspiracy to detonate simultaneous Persian nukes in Tel Aviv, Brooklyn, Peoria, and Ellesmere Island?

Let's ask the experts, shall we? Waltsheimer sez,

Not all Jewish Americans are part of the Lobby, because Israel is not a salient issue for many of them. In a 2004 survey, for example, roughly 36 per cent of American Jews said they were either ‘not very’ or ‘not at all’ emotionally attached to Israel.

Clearly, by the definition conjured up by The Right People, Peace Now is as much a part of "The Isreal Lobby!" as AIPAC, the Israel Policy Forum and all the other Learned Elders of Zion that constitute the 64% for whom Israel is a "salient issue."

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Good, gutsy post, Philip.
Over at the Reader Blogs, I've posted my own lengthy contribution to the debate.
Basically, I dug up a piece I wrote back in 2003, showing where the Oil and Israel Lobbies linked up on Iraq: over the chimera of cheap Iraqi oil flowing to Israel through a rebuilt Mosul-Haifa pipeline. An Israeli cabinet minister was openly talking up the plan even before Baghdad fell.
Here's a link:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/acanuck/2009/03/the-iraq-war-pipelines-and-pip.php?ref=reccafe

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"it has the same smell to it"
anatole

I never quite understand this reasoning. anatole, if people decide, on the basis on whatever evidence, that there was organised Jewish or Zionist influence in starting the War on Iraq, telling them they are anti-Semitic is not going to change their minds. I know that for a fact. At some point they just go "Well, I guess I am sort of an anti-Semite". I can never quite understand what authority or referee people are appealing to when they make that accusation or that inference.

If you get arrested for a serious fraud, say, or an assault, you can't get the case dismissed because somewhere along the line somebody made an ethnic slur. It's a rotten thing to do, and I sure as hell wouldn't expect it to be considered evidence at the trial ("just look at that nose, the nose of a true criminal") but when the trial came it will be the evidence which... Look, there's a bunch of people saying nasty things about Madoof being Jewish right now. How much time should he get off his sentence for that?

It's not that the accusation of anti-Semitism might not be true, even. What mystifies me is the amazing belief some people seem to have in that accusation's efficacy as an ameliorative factor for transgressions which far, far exceed the transgression of the anti-Semitism. Where does that come from?

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Mooser,

I thought that an example of Rhinoceros-like logic was self-explanatory. It goes like this:
1. Neocons support Israel
2. Neocons are responsible for Iraq war
3. Therefore supporters of Israel are responsible for Iraq war

The problem with this logic is that support for Israel is always bad, so any opportunity to blame Israel for anything is always good.

E.g. former Israeli foreign minister Shlomo Ben Ami consistently protested Iraq war as a disaster for Israel. FWIW, I consider myself a Zionist, and I always opposed Iraq war. Other Zionists supported that war. To my knowledge this never has been a defining issue for Zionists. To claim otherwise is to start from the conclusion (Israel is bad), and proceed to arguments. I'm not sure if abiding dislike of Israel is caused by antisemitism, or some other form of stupidity, but the smell is still the same.

Iraq war is simply not an issue of diverging Israeli and American strategic interests - it was IMHO a monumental strategic blunder which among other things greatly empowered Israel's existential enemy - Iran, and its clients - Hamas and Hezballah. I don't see any other major player in the Middle East, which gained from that misadventure. The reason why people still listen to unrepentant proponents of that war is beyond me.

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anatol,

I'm not sure if abiding dislike of Israel is caused by antisemitism, or some other form of stupidity, but the smell is still the same.

It doesn't matter. Since it is always better to be "right" than smart, the best way to win the argument is to react to any implied or imagined accusation of antisemitism as a way of stifling our valuable debate. Meanwhile, we will be branded and dispatched as "neocons." (That's some catch, that Catch-22. It's the best there is!)

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Support for Israel is bad when it helps lead to unnecessary wars and cheerlead massacres.

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"Using the oil companies as a motivator strikes me as a lazy leftwing parking job."

Your version is itself a lazy parking job. Oil companies are a handy symbol, not motivator, for the value of Iraqi (and other) oil to the USA.

A rational analysis of "Why?" looks at plausible components and then subtracts them out hypothetically to see what causal role they might play in fact by how things might have been different in the fiction:

Defense of Israel is one factor. Without Israel to defend (on whatever motives), and assuming Iraq was in shambles, how would the problem have been addressed?

Oil is one factor. If Iraq didn't have oil, if Saddam had invaded Kuwait not to deal with border oil issues and a desire for added power, but simply to get oil supplies for Iraq, and had been defeated as he was, how would the problem of Iraq in shambles been addressed?

Without PNAC driving what passed for political philosophy, how would Iraq have been addressed?

Without Rumsfeld eager to try out his ideas on how to run military campaigns in the new millenium, how would...?

Without Cheney running a shadow government and shadow intelligence services, how would the public debate have been different?

And so on...

Mistaking a convenient symbol for that which it symbolizes, and then attacking the symbol, is simply silly at best, postmodern or not.


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if Saddam had invaded Kuwait not to deal with border oil issues and a desire for added power, but simply to get oil supplies for Iraq,

As I recall from that time, the purported casus belli was not so much border oil issues as Kuwait tapping oil fields in Iraq proper via advanced drilling technology.
Iraq had and has a great deal of oil. And an interest in preserving it all for Iraq.

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"Kuwait tapping oil fields in Iraq proper"

That is what "border oil" means. Brevity.

The point is to do the counterfactual exercise to help assess any causal role. And many people who protested leading up to and after the invasion used "Oil" as a talking point. I believe that even if they overstated some things, oil was a causal factor. If Iraq had had no oil, we and the UN would have handled things very differently.

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I am in the camp that thinks the Iraq war came about because of a multitude of reasons. Different people or groups wanted it for different reasons.
It sems to me that a strong force within the US was AIPAC and the neocons. From within and without the US millions of people demonstrated against the war to no effect. There seems to be a hierarchy of reasons/power that made the war happen.
I believe that if Israel and AIPAC and the neocons had been opposed to the war it would not have happened. As Rachel Maddow might say, can anyone talk me down.

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I'm going to order Juan Cole's book today. I have the typical American understanding of the Muslim world --pretty small--and admire the engagement and seriousness that Cole has brought to this issue again and again. That's why I'm addicted to his blog.

I'm wondering what I would do if one of my students turned in a report which began this way? I suspect I'd commend the student for his honesty and then proceed to suggest he read the darn book before having the gall to dissect its thesis. But then I guess Mr. Weiss has a different sense of intellectual responsibility than I do. I can't wait to read reviews of plays he never saw or concerts he never attended.

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Phil was basically responding to MJ's comments to the book. Yes you would be correct to question a student who did this. But Phil is not a student, but is someone with a mature understanding of the politics of Israel inside this country. He stayed well within his area of expertise.

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Beg your pardon. I thought he was invited specifically to discuss the book. Perhaps he knows Cole's thought well enough to read his mind. I'm saying nothing about the rightness or wrongness of the comments themselves. I'm saying that if one is invited to discuss a book on the book club calendar, then the responsible thing to do is either read the book or politely refuse, no matter what the expertise. This goes even more for experts than for students, in my opinion.

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Phil was very clear that he had not read the book. You belittled him as you would one of your students. I am also in the academic community. I know the difference between the observations of a novice and a critical thinker with decades of experience. Perhaps you find his conclusions disagreeable to your world view. Fine. But you should engage Phil at that level, and not just assert your own authority as a professor to dismiss him.

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OK, I'll engage my expertise as a chicken.

It was rude and irresponsible to comment in the book club without reading the book.

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I stand with the chicken on this one.

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When people are invited by TPM Management to comment on a book for the Book Club, and given a special byline for that purpose, I assume the expectation is that they will actually read the book before commenting. This really goes without saying.

I'm confused about Weiss's designated role in this discussion, however. Lila Shapiro didn't announce him as one of the participants. She said that Cole "will be joined by Patricia DeGennaro, Senior Fellow at the World Policy Institute; Daniel Drezner, professor of International Politics at the Fletcher School at Tufts University; Saskia Sassen, professor of Sociology at Columbia University; and MJ Rosenberg, regular Cafe contributor."

So how did Weiss get front page posting privileges in this discussion? Does he have a standing invitation to post here whenever he wants?

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IMHO, (1) Republican Jews, and (2) liberal Jews who support the most extreme form of far right-wing conservatism in the world - arab, islamist, fundamentalism, against Israel, are FUGITIVES FROM EVOLUTION!

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Phillip Weiss' perspective is an important one, but I do not believe there is necessarily any conflict with Professor Cole's analysis.

You see, Cheney was not really an 'oilman'. He was just made (with the help of George H. W. Bush) the CEO of Halliburton, one of the two largest US-based oilfield services corporations. Their Cayman Island subsidiary even had an office in Tehran!

Halliburton's main rival was Dresser Industries until the two merged in 1998. According to Wikipedia: "...Dick Cheney negotiated the US$7.7 billion deal, reportedly having done so during a weekend of quail-hunting. In 2001, Halliburton was forced to settle the asbestos lawsuits that it acquired as a result of purchasing Dresser, causing the company's stock price to fall by eighty percent in just over a year."

Doesn't it seem as though Dick Cheney would have had some "splainin' to do" (to borrow from Lucy)? Fortunately though (soon thereafter), Halliburton and its subsidiary KBR began making so much money in Afghanistan, Iraq etc., that Hallibuton's stock took off like a HELLFIRE® missile! I guess that 'all concerned' just decided to call it 'even-steven'.

Oh, I forgot to mention that according to Wikipedia: "...George H. W. Bush worked for the company [Dresser Industries] in several positions after the war, from 1948-1951, before he founded Zapata Corporation. His father, Prescott Bush, had been a W. A. Harriman and Company executive who had been involved in the conversion of Dresser to a public company [in 1928], and he served on the board of directors for twenty-two years."

Oh hellfire! Did I mention that according to Wikipedia: "Lynne Cheney served on Lockheed Corporation's board of directors from 1994 to 2001, a $120,000-a-year post she gave up shortly before her husband's inauguration..."

Sometimes I think that life is like a box of chocolates.....

PS. Merriam-Webster's definition of 'hellfire': "the eternal fire of hell that tortures sinners"

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Speaking of 'hellfire', perhaps I should have mentioned "Gog and Magog". Apparently, they're big honchos from some apocalypse thingy in the 'Book of Ezekiel' (that's a part of the Bible, y'all TPM-ers). At least, that's what the professor of Theology at the University of Lausanne told Chirac (or so I've read).

BUSH TOLD CHIRAC: “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East"

FROM THE ARTICLE "When God Spoke to Me":  .....During those private interviews, Jacque Chirac had purportedly confessed to the journalist some personal remarks regarding the faith of George W. Bush that seemed quite daunting. He told the journalist that the latter called him twice beseeching him basically, in the name of their common “spiritual faith”, i.e., “Christianity”, to join the collective effort of the coalition being formed to wage a preemptive war against Iraq. In his first telephonic call he reportedly said to Jacque Chirac: “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East” and then added that “the biblical prophecies are being fulfilled”.....

ENTIRE ARTICLE -
http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=14890

PS. Have y'all ever left a box of chocolates on the seat of a SUV parked in the midday July sun?

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A box of chocolates. To paraphrase Forrest, Evil is as Evil Does. Cheney in a nutshell.

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Here's another clue about teh PNAC:

'Securing the Realm' refers to Israel, not the US.

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The Iraq War was causally overdetermined by a number of motivations at work in both the Republican Party coalition and in substantial parts of Democratic Party. It is a mistake to try to zero in on a single causal factor.

1. Oil was indeed a very large factor. The United States has long sought both secure strategic access to, and a profitable economic stake in, Middle Eastern oil. It has also sought to divide the region's oil-producing powers against one another to weaken Opec and prevent repetitions of the oil embargo. These enduring drives are long-standing, and predate our strong interest in Israel. The Iraq sanctions regime was crumbling, and US and UK firms and government interests were being outmaneuvered by foreign interests, taking advantage of our containment in a restrictive diplomatic box of our own construction. The only alternative to continued losses in the oil game would have been to drop the sanctions, offer diplomatic rehabilitation to Saddam and start dealing with him. This was seen as a humiliating prospect to a foreign policy establishment in both parties that had spent more than a decade trying to squeeze and change the Iraqi regime. It would have been viewed as a defeat for the United States. Overthrowing him was preferable to those interested in shoring up US economic interests and US prestige at the same time.

We know that even before the war was launched, meetings were held to plan the global petroleum order that would be installed following the military regime change. Cheney was very interested in this agenda, and had started the administration off with secret energy meetings and an energy plan pointing out the need for more secure sources of oil in a region with important actors who were hostile to the US in various ways. The oil ministry was sought out and secured as soon as troops got to Baghdad, even while most of the city was allowed to fall into anarchy.

2. Israel was also an important factor. The war followed several years of active lobbying and propagandizing by neoconservatives for a more aggressive posture toward the Arab world, and the centrality of Israel in neoconservative foreign policy thinking is undeniable. Neoconservative opinion leaders were among the most prominent voices in support of the war, and lobbied for it vigorously through organs like Benador Associates, PNAC, JINSA, and AEI. Many of those opinion leaders had connections to the Likud party in Israel and had been involved in crafting the Clean Break agenda for the Israeli right. Though now discredited, these folks were an extremely prominent group in the Republican Party in 2002. Bill Kristol was, back then, regarded as the preeminent message maven for the Republican Party.

It misses the point to argue in hindsight that the war empowered Iran, and so wasn't ultimately in Israel's interest. The fact is, hardly anyone was predicting that outcome in 2002. The view among the war's neoconservative backers was that the US would be able to fashion a new government in Iraq of West-leaning, modernist "secular Shiites" like Chalabi and Shahrastani, who would realign Iraq's foreign policy in a pro-US, pro-Israel direction, and lends assistance to the US's pressure campaign against the theocratic and Khomeinist regime in Iran. The reports were that Israel looked forward to action against both Iraq and Iran, but viewed Iran as a higher priority. US supporters of Israel and the war thought Iraq was a much easier target, and a good place to start.

3. Some US elites, especially on the right, were of view that the US had become an overly gentle giant that was squandering its hegemonic potential, and that far too many countries in the world had grown far too comfortable in thumbing their noses at US interests and preferences. People of this cast of mind tended to think that, apart from the specific interests that might be advanced in attacking Iraq, there was a general interest in enforcing global hegemonic discipline by "throwing some crappy country up against the wall." And another strain in neoconservative thought - and parts of liberal internationalist thought - was the belief in a "unipolar moment": a brief post-Cold War window of opportunity to expand NATO rapidly, dismantle everything that was left of the old Soviet empire, extend the American Way of Life around the globe and transform the landscape of the remaining rogues and nonaligned states so as to usher in a Pax Americana.

4. Although it is now hard to take these views seriously in light of what has been learned subsequent to the war, many beltway strategists and opinion leaders seriously believed in 2002 that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction and was a major state sponsor of terror. Some even seem to have believed the seriously goofy Michael Ledeen doctrine that Iraq and Iran were part of an aligned axis of "terror masters" directing all of the world's Islamic terror from Tehran.

5. Many liberals despised Middle Eastern culture, and what was seen as its persistently undemocratic, illiberal, anti-modern, oppressive and sexist. They argued that it was necessary for the great, morally exceptional, liberal power to use its power to give these cultures a military "nudge" into a modern and liberal era. We all remember these people going weak in the knees over Bush's second inaugural address.

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Bush wanted a bigger margin of victory in 2004 than he had in 2000. He okayed the Iraq adventure, spineless waffling Democrats like Kerry were flummoxed, and he got his increased margin. Of course, one can develop an intricate litany of semi-relevancies that collectively "overdetermine" how the sun revolves around the earth, but haven't we had enough sleepwalking by now?

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So, your view appears to be that Bush was personally motivated by only political and electoral considerations, not strategic ones. Fine. But those considerations wouldn't have had any force if the war was broadly unpopular. It wasn't. As an opponent of the war from the outset I remember being in a distinct minority. Bush had overwhelming elite support and substantial popular support for launching the war. Why? What was the basis of that support?

Historical developments within a large country are never the work of a single man. A president can't move a country like the US into an enterprise like the Iraq War unless he is supported by most of the major arms of the establishment. We can't understand why the war happened unless we understand the diverse sources of that establishment support.

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Indeed, the "war" was not wildly unpopular. It was also not wildly not popular.

Of course, Bush was not solely responsible. He had gobs of indirect support from the flummoxed, from politically apathetic if not also pathetic shoppers, from dumbed-down journalism if not plain dumb journalists, and from masses duped into thinking a massively botched exercise at nation-building-on-the-cheap was a "war," as called for by campaign strategists and propagandists serving the "war president" of Texas National AWOL Guard fame.

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So Mr. Weiss brought himself to the Cafe, having not read the book he was supposed to have been discussing. Perhaps he had reason to anticipate a heroes welcome with his post emblazoned by the provocative title: "Oh Come On. Let's Blame the Israel Lobby" for the deaths of thousands of American boys and girls in the deserts and cities of Iraq. "I'm Jewish", he assures us, as if that vests him with the right to assert harsh indictments, to make charges against his community because, worry not, he is a Jew. He writes: "Until Jews deal with this issue [other Jews who supported the war], the community I grew up in won't be healed of its responsibility for violence in the Middle East". He says he's focusing on some Jews, but then he tells us that we have to come to grips with "Jewish money" in the political process. What Jewish money does he speak? Some? Please.

And, so Mr. Weiss sets so well the parameters of the discussion we constantly have that people keep saying we need to have even as we have it, and his parameters cleverly mix and mingle references to some Jews (those Likudniks) with the responsibility of the communtiy in the aggregate, all those Jews who exercise their First Amendment right and donate money to the political process.

And what happens is a beautiful thing. He is lauded by some, but my heart sings as he is questioned and challenged by so many diverse voices. What is this you bring to us, so many commenters ask? What of the oil? What of Bush? And how about Cheney? Why do you laud a book you haven't read? And I am heartened, because the progressive community represented at the Cafe, while largely angry--anger I and most American Jews share--about much of what Israel has done in the past 20 years, and rightfully concerned about America's failure to be the honest broker it needs to be in the Middle East, is nonetheless not prepared to simply "come on" with merry chiders like Philip Weiss and blame the Israel Lobby and Jewish contributions to the politicial process for dead American boys and girls, simply because Weiss tells us he's Jewish.

This progressive who opposed the war in Iraq from the get-go, and who also confesses a deep and unwavering commitment to the State of Israel as a homeland for his People, is heartened by the responses of those who undoubtedly don't share my views, to the parlor game, this travelling road show presented by Mr. Weiss. For those who are interested, he's got the cover article in the current issue of Pat Buchanon's American Conservative magazine. Interesting. My Daddy always told me that when you lay down with dogs you wake up with fleas.

Kudos to the Cafe community. You've done well.

Bruce S. Levine
New York, New York

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Why do we have to choose? There was the Likudnik crazies and their marvelous lobby, sure. There were the oil companies (let's face it -- that administration wouldn't have gone into Iraq without their tacit approval, at least). There were all the other profiteers -- KBR and Halliburton, mercenary companies like Blackwater, defense contractors eager to sell more hardware.

There were all kinds of crazy egos bouncing around -- Bush's Oedipal stuff, Cheney's paranoic stuff, Rumsfeld's... well, whatever animates that particular sociopath. And these dudes had carefully constructed an administration with no checks and balances -- all yesmen in the service of a few chiefs, and many of the underlings laughably unqualified to walk and chew gum at the same time.

War was a certainty, even before 9/11. War in the Middle East was a certainty after, and for a variety of reasons, Iraq was deemed the most convenient target.

I don't buy the notion that there was one primary culprit. There were many overlapping and intertwined agendas and influencers. None of the principals in this served a singular agenda. Advancing Israel's perceived interests vis a vis Iraq was one, but only one, of a laundry list they all embraced, to varying degrees.

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"I don't think the Oedipal--war my daddy didn't have the cojones to attempt; Saddam tried to take out my dad--stuff can fully be discounted."

Your damn right it can't! Any cab driver anywhere in the world can tell you it was about oil; that's why they're cab drivers and not policy analysts -- others among us should know better.

An applicable expression in Russian: "Life is a wonderful and strange thing. But it is more strange than it is wonderful." The oil "explanation" is beginning with the conclusion and then seeking evidence to support it; kind of like that crackpot "intelligence" shop they cooked up under Rumsfeld/Feith.

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