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The 2008 Campaign: A Laughing Matter

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To wrap up for the week: Thanks to all for participating. We had some healthy disagreements and I recommend that readers look at the posts below and also scan some of the good comments.

I thought I'd close on a lighter note, while also posing a question: How big a role did "comedy" play in the 2008 and is this a role that will only grow in campaigns ahead? Let's hear from you.

I ask this now as wide attention continues to focus on Jon Stewart's CNBC takedown from Wednesday night. Thanks to Web links, millions more have seen it beyond watchers of "The Daily Show" and I suspect that it made vivid for the first time, for many, the true culpability of TV pundits in the economic meltdown.

This, in turn, sustains one of the points in my "Why Obama Won" book: The "old media" does retain influence but it is inevitably multiplied by the "new media" -- and generally, nowadays, in a leftward direction.

Much has been written about the Tina Fey impressions and how this hurt McCain/Palin. For those who say that "SNL" has long played a part in campaigns: Yes, but usually in a more "balanced" way. Just think back to Al Gore and his "lockbox" and the exceedingly stiff John Kerry. The "SNL" crew barely made a dent in Obama this year.

But beyond that, we experienced the nightly "tilt" of Stewart and Colbert. They had fun -- of the devastating sort - all year, but particularly scored against Palin and McCain in the fall. Yes, their direct audience is smaller than Rush Limbaugh's, but again, they reach millions via the Web and, I would wager, they (like "SNL") attract more undecided/indy voters than Rush does. And they did a number on Bush long before the 2008 campaign began.

I guess one of the messages of my book is that this new Web/satire axis more than balances out talk radio, and that's not even counting Olbermann and Maddow (who are also big on the Web). TPM itself now offers a kind of pre-"Daily Show" video feature every night, "The Day in 100 Seconds," which I link to regularly over at my Editor & Publisher blog.

Yes, the comedy side will suffer when Stewart and Colbert move on. I don't want to go too far here, as nothing will ever come easily for progressives. But I do believe that liberal domination of "new media," and its many positive influences in and on politics, will level the playing field for a long time to come.


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Well, if you buy Josh's likening of methodical, plodding issue analysis to "spinach", I think the answer to your question is that comedy in the form of satirical ridicule may well continue to play a powerful role going forward.

Although it can and sometimes is (sometimes appropriately) aimed at the great unwashed masses, satirical ridicule may be the most potent weapon corrupt, self-serving--or merely mortal--insider elites, in both politics and business, have to fear.

Not many people really understand the ins and outs of the current financial meltdown. But a sizable portion of the engaged public can understand it very well when a mainstream intitution such as CNBC, largely serving the agenda of the wealthy and powerful elites, has its credibility blown up in plain view.

And that can be a powerful political force, in the dual sense of both weakening the influence of the people and institutions who used to think they had a corner on the market on what's what, and emboldening all others, among whom some are likely to have crucial key insights that would have been crowded out under the old rules. The latter still have to fight their way through the crowds to get heard in the relative free-for-all that gets opened up. And there can be no guarantee that their voices, rather than less insightful others who are simply more successful in gaining attention, will get heard.

This hardly means that collectively, we as a society are necessarily going to get the fixes right. That's all contingent, as it always is.

But when the self-regarding VSPs (in this case, of the financial world, not the foreign policy world) no longer monopolize the definition of the problem and what is politically possible, it opens up a lot more space for expanded and potentially more fruitful analyses and a less constricted set of options and debate.

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When I briefly did political satire in NYC in 1984, a few of us cast members went on a right wing radio show at the time. He told us point blank that if a totalitarian government wanted to or did take over, the satirists were usually the first people to be rounded up.

We did a collective gulp and prayed for the interview to be over. Since the reason why we were doing the show was a real hatred of all things Reagan, we had reason to be a bit intimidated.

So hats off to Jon Stewart and his magnificent writers. They nailed it on Wednesday. It takes courage to talk truth to power even if you do it with humor.

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I identify with Jon Stewart and Tina Fey here. We all got it. That was the problem for the other guys. We were watching while Bush did all that stuff, and nodding at the Daily Show. We saw the same shrill bumpkin Fox News Type complaining about America. We saw the old man looking befuddled and heard his bridge coming unglued.

But there was more. We all watched, incredulous, as the Republican Party changed the entire government into a Clinton Crucifixion Party. Nothing got done except for that in-depth blowjob expose, and while we all had to accept that it was in exceedingly poor taste, we were impressed that the RNC (Never, ever say GOP!) could blow so much cash over so little... spilt...milk?

And we saw Ollie North become a hero of this 'RIGHT!', after smuggling stolen American missiles out of the country and giving them to the Iranian regime in exchange for Iranian currency they spent on prohibited violence in South America.

So when it came time for the All-Lies-All-the-Time Administration to lie and cheat and steal and obviscate and dissemble for eight straight years, we were pretty familiar with the absurdity of it.

Flip to the Limbaugh show, and to Ann Coulter. They were using some parody of humor to rile up their audiences, mocking everything too.

Comedy isn't easy. To communicate absurdity with weighty themes and continue to the thematic end is a serious challenge. You have to be literate. This is why we won the joke-off.

But Gore and Clinton and every other Democrat was lampooned too. The damage wasn't done to them. Damage was done to the absurd candidates posing as the serious guys. The ones who were beyond reproach, but could only come across as snarky. Third-grade wiseass stuff. Smirks.

I don't think comedy did Kerry in. I think he missed the target every time he tried to hit it. He didn't connect with us. He yawned at us.

I think we got lucky this time, because it was important and everyone in the country- including the people who voted for but equally mistrust Bush. Next time, hopefully the stakes won't be so real.

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I don't know how I can separate Tina Fey playing Palin from the real Palin. I saw the Couric/Palin interview before I saw Tina Fey and to be honest it could have been straight off SNL. But how much of that is my bias? I don't have a TV and only listen to NPR so my only contact with MSM is through the clips I see on the net. I was really surprised at how little Clinton used the internet. When I saw the clip of one of the late night comedians do a bit on Clintons Bonsian trip and heard the audience roar with laughter I thought that's the end for her. So now we have to wait and see what they do to Obama on comedy central. I enjoyed the Book Club this week and the discussion. Thank you.

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We had some healthy disagreements and I recommend that readers look at the posts below and also scan some of the good comments. Greg Mitchell

In the 98 hours following Greg's first post, there were 98 comments -- actually, 1 every 59.9 minutes.

If that's not a low point in TPMCafe-er participation, it must be close.

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Correction.

That should have been 32 comments -- one every three hours and three minutes.

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I'd like to direct your attention to a graph plotting General Election events against the TPM Tracker, a composite of daily polls leading up to the election. The graph helps to illustrates association between daily and accumulative shifts in public preferences and major campaign events.

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Nice graph but ---

It would have been more persuasive if you'd datelined the Freddie and Fannie takeovers, the Lehman bankruptcy, the TARP debate, and this picture.

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Actually the picture is reflected in the first few days of the graph. If you notice, the first event is McCain's campaign suspension.

I have the data for the Freddie and Fannie takeovers, the Lehman bankruptcy, the TARP debate. I'll put them up in the next day or so.

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Reminds me fondly of Carlin (he is most missed.) He did a riff on America's 'freedom-fighters' comparing them to crime-fighters and fire-fighters and ended up wondering just what an American freedom-fighter was supposed to be fighting - or not fighting?

My generation had Bruce and Sahl and Carlin. My mom's generation had Dada and Surrealism which arose following the senseless atrocities of WWI. Her world had witnessed the death of predictability and reason, concluding that since Reality had become incomprehensible, the non-real just might be comprehensible. I can dig it.

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We don't need all this analysis.

When was the last time Americans elected a President who was less than six feet tall?

McCain? It was never gonna happen!

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