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Has anyone actually seen the film that won Best Foreign Film at the Oscars?

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I am not a film reviewer and don't pretend to be. Alas, I haven't even seen all the films that were nominated for Oscars last night, but one film I did see-Waltz With Bashir--is a mind blower and I simply can't understand why it lost out for Best Foreign Film to a Japanese film that I suspect few filmgoers have seen and will not see. Waltz is one of the most important films to come out of Israel and to hit the world stage. A fierce anti-war film it shows the internal, psychic trauma faced by Israeli soldiers decades after a war; this one the first war with Lebanon.

Some columnists are suggesting that Hollywood prefers its Jews as victims, even as Holocaust stories--if so, that's tragic.

But it's also not surprising because there is a continuing disconnect between how Israelis view themselves and how Americans view Israelis, and especially how American Jews view Israelis. Even in our culture, this problem continues to permeate.

Waltz with Bashir is ingenious fimmaking regarding technique, but as important, it touches on a subject that few Americans consider enough, whether it is regarding war between Israel and its neighbors or a war that we fight in far off Iraq or Afghanistan, or the wars our veterans fought in Viet Nam, etc. The human toll is not simply about physical pain and death; it is also about emotional trauma. And the limits between right and wrong, which enemy of my enemy is my friend are also tested in this film--and in real life wars....


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I'm sure Waltz With Bashir is great but "Departures" or as you call it "a Japanese film that I suspect few filmgoers have seen and will not see," looks pretty awesome as well. And now that it has an Oscar maybe people will actually see it and what's wrong with that?

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This qualifies Jo-Ann for her place at the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet:

"I haven't even seen all the films that were nominated for Oscars last night, but one film I did see-Waltz With Bashir--is a mind blower and I simply can't understand why it lost out for Best Foreign Film to a Japanese film that I suspect few filmgoers have seen and will not see."

Who needs to watch movies to decide which politically correct film is best?

Jo-Ann: I'm making my own film: "Waltzing with Shlomo." It's an anti-war film about a Gazan rocketeer who experiences flashbacks of the potholes he created in Sderot.

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Maybe the Japanese movie just deserved it. I don't know. But I know that though I did not see Waltz with Bashir I wanted to and still intend to if I can. I heard a good deal about it including interviews with the man who wrote/lived the story. No doubt you are correct that we do not acknowledge nor do we appreciate the profound emotional violence of war and it's lifelong effects on all those unfortunate to be involved in it. But think of it, if our media and society generally speaking was knowledgeable about these hidden costs of war, there's a very good chance many, many more people would oppose all war for any reason. Imagine how the muntions and weapons industries would react to that or how the Pentagon's vast machinery for the creation of new war machines would react? Understanding that war is nothing but a grotesque, violent waste of humanity and of property is and always has been a very subversive idea.

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The Oscars are (supposed to be) judged about art and effective story telling, not politics. Citizen Kane didn't win best picture it's year. There are 5 nominees, 4 will lose. It doesn't mean much of anything at the end of the day. Waltz is getting plenty of (well deserved) play in the press, but your objection doesn't make much sense.

If this is the worse "how did that happen?" at the Oscars, we would be doing well.

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Excellent points.

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Thank you. You are one of the few who post here who fit my stereotyped view of a kinder, gentler form of politics. And I like that stereotype. (Which doesn't mean you aren't fierce in your opinions!)

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I've seen both "Waltz with Bashir" and "Departures" and liked them both; to be simply nominated ensures more folks will be viewing these and the other movies nominated or won.

I think American Cinema has indeed dealt with the issues you say "Waltz" does at the exclusion of all others; I'm thinking of "Born on the Fourth of July," "Johnny Got His Gun," "Thin Red Line," hell, even "Three Kings" dealt with the tolls exacted that you mentioned.

Regardless, "Waltz" is an important film and will find a place of exaltation in the history of cimema.

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Globalization and navel gazing mix poorly.

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You would think this newfangled internet thingie would help people understand that there are more regions and cultures on earth than the United States and the Mideast, wouldn't ya? :-)

Meanwhile, the real news story is Bollywood taking Hollywood by storm....it's getting a bit close to their full 15 minutes, though....

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... I simply can't understand why it lost out for Best Foreign Film to a Japanese film that I suspect few filmgoers have seen and will not see.

My, what an unfair and peevish comment. Ms. Mort admits she has not seen the Japanese film, but seems convinced that Waltz with Bashir must be better, and sees nasty politics in its failure to win.

Couldn't it be that the Academy voters who actually did see both films submitted their best judgment and actually liked Departures better? I hope to see them both.

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The Holocaust gave Kate Winslet the oscar as she predicted it would.

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That's funny, I though the Academy gave Kate Winslet the Oscar.

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According to the official rules of the Academy:

Final voting for the Foreign Language Film award shall be restricted to active and life Academy members who have attended Academy screenings, or other exhibition, of all five motion pictures films nominated for the award.

I suspect that a relatively small proportion of the Academy's membership actually attends all five nominated foreign language films and it therefore eligible to vote in this category. But apparently those who did meet the voting requirements preferred the Japanese film. I'm looking forward to seeing it.

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I'd humbly suggest that maybe all-things-Israeli aren't quite as central to the universe as some people assume that all-things-Isreali are.

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Oh, I see Dave Seaton put made the same point better and more succinctly.

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I thought "Waltz with Bashir" was an anti-war movie more than a movie about Israeli/Palestinian conflicts...

But I guess advocating for Peace in the World; not just in the middle east, would put one on a hate list here and elsewhere, I guess...

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Oh, and "Departures" was a great movie and wholly deserving to have won...

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Speaking of film screenings....Ynet's breaking news feed notices that a US Senator is getting into the act:

"US lawmaker hosts screening of Geert Wilders' anti-Islam film

Published: 02.23.09, 23:08 / Israel News

US Republican Sen. Jon Kyl is hosting a film screening at the Capitol building on Thursday for Geert Wilders, a Dutch lawmaker whose film claims that Islam inspires terrorism.


Kyl agreed to facilitate the event because "all too often, people who have the courage to point out the dangers of militant Islamists find themselves vilified and endangered," said spokesman Ryan Patmintra. (AP)"

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Kyl is right. Being anti-Islam costs you politically...in Pakistan. Not so sure about America.

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Gideon Levy in Haaretz
'Antiwar' film Waltz with Bashir is nothing but charade

"Everyone now has his fingers crossed for Ari Folman and all the creative artists behind "Waltz with Bashir" to win the Oscar on Sunday. A first Israeli Oscar? Why not?

However, it must also be noted that the film is infuriating, disturbing, outrageous and deceptive. It deserves an Oscar for the illustrations and animation - but a badge of shame for its message. It was not by accident that when he won the Golden Globe, Folman didn't even mention the war in Gaza, which was raging as he accepted the prestigious award. The images coming out of Gaza that day looked remarkably like those in Folman's film. But he was silent. So before we sing Folman's praises, which will of course be praise for us all, we would do well to remember that this is not an antiwar film, nor even a critical work about Israel as militarist and occupier. It is an act of fraud and deceit, intended to allow us to pat ourselves on the back, to tell us and the world how lovely we are. "

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I'm sure the campaigns in Poland the Russia were hard on Wehrmacht soldiers too. But for some strange reason--like maybe, basic human decency--I'm not interested in watching a movie about the emotional turmoil of German soldiers.

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Skipping around the question of whether IDF = Nazi soldiers...

I can offer you some very good movies about the German soldiers of WWII: Das Boot, of course. Stalingrad. Both made in Germany and very good and neither are apologies for Naziism.

Also a German movie that I think was called The Last Days of Hitler, which focused on his personal secretary and is, I believe, a true, or truish, story.

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Jo-Ann, it is indeed silly of you to say you "can't understand" why movie X beat movie Y, when you haven't even see movie X. That's just common sense. These contests are "supposed" to be judged on merit, not on potential box office receipts.

(In fact, if more people are likely to see Bashir anyway, it only makes sense to give a little extra push to a film that might otherwise be ignored--at least according to your theory.)

That said, Japanese film is not an obscure backwater of the industry. How many Israeli directors stand up to Kurosawa, for example. Or Ozu. How many Israeli film actors stand up to Mifume? Japanese film has a long, illustrious--great-- tradition. So there's nothing "obscure" about a film coming from Japan at all--even if "obscurity" were a valid judging criteria.

All that said, I'm GLAD Bashir lost. If it had won, we'd all be hearing about how Jews control Hollywood. How Jews decide what we see and what gets publicity. And, of course, what makes money.

Some might protest that this film paints Jews in a bad light, but we'd always have Seth to tell us how fraudulent and deceitful the director is, so REALLY the film isn't critical of Jews at all. And some others would pick up on this and say, "See how clever the Jews/Zionists are? Even when they are being 'critical' of other Jews, they aren't being critical at all, and still they are picking up all the awards, and this latest entry is no different, really, than all the Holocaust movies they foist on us. And look at how much money they are making on all of this, while the clueless gentiles are too busy munching on popcorn and Jewish propaganda to notice."

So, I guess we can say that, even if this Jewish director is filled with deceit, at least the Jews of Hollywood recognize quality when they see it and are willing to stand up for it.


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Tintin,

All that said, I'm GLAD Bashir lost. If it had won, we'd all be hearing about how Jews control Hollywood. How Jews decide what we see and what gets publicity. And, of course, what makes money.

You mean, now we won't...?

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Well, let's put it this way...

With THIS film and THIS award, they'll have to use some extra "creativity" to make the point and not get laughed out of the room.

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