The Dispensable Power?

Andrew's book is an important corrective for the hubris that has, time and again, led American foreign policy astray. His dissection of the national security ideology that inflates American power and virtue should prompt any member of the permanent policy elite to reflect, and squirm. That said, I think the indictment is too sweeping. I have a similar qualm to Michael's: is there really no such thing as benevolent exceptionalism? Is America's role as an indispensable backbone of the international order (p. 2) truly dispensable?
According to Andrew, the high-minded global roles the United States has assigned itself have been delusions at best, or pretensions at worst. But it's one thing to face up to the presumption and sanctimony of American exceptionalism, and another to claim that US power is only a force for good when good is achieved as a side benefit of a dispassionate calculation. Which leads to some of the most interesting questions for current foreign policy: the relationship between national interests and the international greater good, the nature of interdependence, and the meaning of pragmatism.
Showing a fairly hard-core realist bent (in terms of schools of international relations theory) and invoking Niebuhr, Bacevich categorically states that "self-interest determines state policy" (p. 174). Indeed self-sacrifice by a nation-state supposedly lies beyond the realm of possibility. And yet at the same time -- and again citing Niebuhr -- Andrew talks about the statecraft of seeking a convergence of interests, the effectiveness of forming common cause, and the folly of seeking selfish advantage.
So here's my question: are enlightened self-interest and idealistic pragmatism really poles apart? If the well-being of those in other lands must be coolly relegated to a lower-order consideration, it would seem so. Bacevich for instance tars President Obama's call for US "global leadership in the understanding that the world shares a common security and a common humanity" as a perpetuation of bipartisan national security ideology -- sharing more in common than difference with George W. Bush. The notion of the global common good cast as a mask for hegemonic freedom of action.
It seems to me, though, that Bacevich and Niebhur's idea of shared interest as a prudential consideration (i.e. playing it smart) leaves considerable room for a foreign policy not dominated by selfish interests. For one thing, national self-interest has a massive moral hazard problem of the same kind Andrew is worried about. Not all of the War on Terror's threat inflation has been couched as the struggle for freedom; much of the justification has been: do-everything-we-can-to-stop-those-who-mean-to-harm-us. Second, how much of the benefit of international common cause can a powerful nation can reap without concessions to others' interests -- as distinct from, rather than aligned with, one's own interests? If perceived benevolence matters, and in the Bacevich-Niebuhr scheme it does seem to matter, can it be achieved through self-interest alone?
For Andrew, globalization is global hegemony dressed up as a grand project of the integration of nations. With apologies to Churchill, for me it is the worst form of international order, except for all the rest. And yes, it benefits the superpower. And yes, it benefits others, and needs to spread those benefits more widely. In other words, the global economy and global trade show the imperative for America to attend to wider international interests. At the risk of sounding like one of the very alarmists Andrew warns against, the potential breakdown of the international trade system looks like a pretty ominous prospect. If the history of the Great Depression wasn't already warning enough, recent headlines point towards those stakes. If it's true that the United States has shortsightedly sought selfish advantage in the global trade system (see Joseph Stiglitz), what solution can we expect from enlightened realism, with its denial of the possibility of self-denial?
The hard line that Bacevich draws between individual virtues and the ethics of international politics creates a real bind. Indeed, the approach I'm advocating actually calls for many of the same civic-minded virtues that Andrew touts in the book. Several years ago, Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote a book about 'The Choice' between global domination and global leadership, with a particularly incisive section on globalization and trade (pp. 151-163). If Bacevich views the very notion of global leadership with radical skepticism, where does that leave us? Is it really impossible to be both idealistic and pragmatic?

















the relationship between national interests and the international greater good, the nature of interdependence, and the meaning of pragmatism.
It is difficult to evaluate this either/or situation that you discuss here in the general terms you use. However, when I try to think about specifics I come up with a list where US actions are neither in the national interests or in the greater good of humanity. Let's do a list:
Overthrow of Mossadegn in Iran
The Vietnam war
Overthrow of Allende, Arbenz in S. America
suport for tyranical regimes in Argentine, El Salvadore, the Contras, Guatamala, etc
Support for the Mujadaheen in Afghanistan in 1979 (Which started before the Soviets invaded)
The war in Iraq
The war in Afghanistan
I think Bacevic is concerned with this track record. He realizes that deluded policy makers have over the last half century done more harm than good when they believe they are acting for the good of humanity. I agree with him. Policy based on national self interest couldn't do any worse.
February 3, 2009 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to admit I thought of some of these things you mention when I heard President Obama say in his Inaugural Address, "We will not apologize for our way of life ..."
February 3, 2009 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that idealism and pragmatism need not be mutually exclusive. If only we had realized this back when we had a choice! Imagine the power our example would have set! Instead of choosing to pursue international solutions to resolve international problems -- instead of helping establish an international order that would also secure our own national interests -- we chose to go to war.
February 3, 2009 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think there's a really interesting counterfactual here. Granting the point that recent US actions have severely undercut our credibility, what if Washington's policy had been consistently strategic in just this way? What if America had been more conscious of the consensual nature of true leadership and the role it could play in generating the public goods of a strong rules-based order? Unlike the contention of the Bacevich book, I actually think this was possible. And while the immediate challenges have more to do with resisting entropy, I even believe we can scratch our way back towards these goals.
February 3, 2009 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am interested in what you have in mind here. We were effectively in a state of war against Iraq with the sanctions and over-flight rights. In the previous decade we produced an increase of 500,000 in infant mortality. What exactly would "consensual nature of true leadership and the role it could play in generating the public goods of a strong rules-based order" have produced. Does this mean we would have succeeded in getting more allies to invade Iraq? Increased the use of air power with our allies consent? Succeeded in blockading their economy completely? The possibilities seem to excite you, but I have no idea what they may be.
February 3, 2009 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for asking. This is what I have in mind regarding Saddam and the weapons inspectors a Robert Wright op-ed published six years ago today: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9404E6D81038F937A35751C0A9659C8B63
February 4, 2009 9:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
That editorial you link to, as are your thoughts in your post on TPM, is a mush of a mishmash of self-justifying, self-congratulating rationalizations for doing what you want to do anyway. If it feels good, do it, it implies, a get-out-of-The-Hague-free card.
Your worldview seems to be an a priori wish-justification for what inevitably is/becomes exploitation and self-glorification, and usually mass murder. No national effort is without corrupt enterprise and corrupt reasoning. As such, it is best to avoid interventions, except possibly in the most extreme cases, which would be extremely rare, not the myth-making gore-fest modern U.S. history actually represents.
First, you need to learn to imagine TPM Cafe without you in it, then imagine the world without your ever having been in it, and then imagine the world without the United States ever having been in it.
The world does quite nicely without any particular one of us. The United States is no exception. The world would have been just fine if the U.S. never existed, even if the 13 colonies had never existed. It might even have been better off without us.
So please spare us the wisdom of a half million Iraqi kids murdered through the mechanics and ramifications of sanctions as potentially benevolent, even if that is not what you think you are advocating - it is!
Love,
News Nag
February 4, 2009 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
David:
Thanks very much for these thoughtful comments on balancing self-interest and the common good in foreign relations. At some level it seems obvious that the two will and must overlap, and the prospect of repeating the mistakes of 1930s-style protectionism may be a good occasion to remind ourselves that globalization of some type is simply unavoidable.
It does seem -- and I think Andrew says this -- that in the administration (the previous one, I mean) one camp was driven by democratic fevers and another by brutal assertions of self-interest (self-defense at all costs, cf. Cheney's 1% probability statement). Neither one panned out too well in the event, despite Bolton's effort to say otherwise in today's Times. What repeatedly depresses me is our ignorance of the complexity of the situations into which we stick our noses. I don't know that I'm ready to write Afghanistan off as a "rathole" (did Andrew use this word here or in something else of his I just read?). But it sure is a different world from ours. How many speakers of Pashto do we have in our planning bodies? You have to wonder just how much political and social plasticity we could ever locate in such a place -- building democracy in Iraq looks, by comparison, like a cakewalk, if I can coin a phrase. Nothing that Obama said in the fall campaign made me as nervous as his tough talk about going into the border areas btwn Pakistan and Afghanistan.
About American exceptionalism: I bridled a bit while reading The Limits of Power's relentless debunking. It just didn't ring true as an adequate account -- too much left out that has functioned in non-malign ways in our institutions, our beliefs, our policies. I think Niebuhr would have made the same complaint, though I see that Andrew, whose energy is really admirable, has written a piece on Niebuhr in World Affairs, so perhaps I should read that before saying more.
February 3, 2009 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I may have pressed the point about un-enlightened and un-ideologized self-interest too far, oops. Chapter 3 on the military crisis is the one part of the book I still have to read.
February 4, 2009 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Neither one panned out too well in the event . . . .
A utilitarian -- although a utilitarian only after the fact?
February 4, 2009 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Bacevich views the very notion of global leadership with radical skepticism, where does that leave us? Is it really impossible to be both idealistic and pragmatic?
So is the aspiration to global leadership is "idealistic"? Among professed (small 'd') democrats, why is the aspiration to promote aristocratic global governance considered idealistic in any way? If there is truly an indispensable power in the global system, then the global system is broken. For people who claim to be all about promoting democracy, why is it only democracy inside countries they care about, and why do they give no attention to democracy in the global system itself? Why do they always want to turn the indispensable power into the super-ultra-indispensable power? Let's end indispensability.
You're right to worry about protectionism and isolationism, David. But what is needed is not more aristocratic liberal internationalism, with its impulse toward the aggrandizement of national power and national ego, and the advancement of an elect of national elites in a few powerful countries, but a revived global left-wing movement for left internationalism. We need some good old-fashioned one-worlder, anti-nationalistic internationalism: the real deal.
It's time to chase the Davos crowd out of the seats of power, all over the world. Let's forget about the approach to global progress that sees it as a manifestation of upper-crust philanthropy in an inherently unequal neoliberal system. Let's think bigger: global parliamentarianism, global security systems, a global energy regime and and a global labor movement with global labor solidarity. We can work to convince the people of the world - at least the vast majority of them - that their own best interests are served by their participation in such an egalitarian system.
February 4, 2009 12:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bacevich quotes from Niebuhr consistently in his book but Niebhur's writings are like the bible and they could be interpreted many ways. In the nineteen thirties and forties, Niebuhr was actually considered to be an idealist in that he wanted liberals to take a more principaled stance against Communism and Nazism. But his stance on war changed in the fifties due to the introduction of nuclear weapons. Niebuhr thought that nuclear weapons made war obsolute and therefore the United States should have more of realist foreign policy. It is diffucult to know what Niebuhr would of the United States role in the post Cold War world should be since his writings were based on the potential for conflict between the Unites States and the Soviet Union. To better understand Niebuhr's writings one should read Campbell Craig's "Glimmer of a New Leviathan".
February 4, 2009 1:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Having studied Reinhold Niebuhr in graduate school, I am at a loss to know why he is taken seriously. He for one takes no one seriously but himself.
February 4, 2009 9:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
IR themes and philosophies weave the curtain behind which hide the self-interested policies of the power and money elites.
Only express intended actions openly stated are worthy of debate in a free society.
The rest should be silence.
February 4, 2009 10:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly.
Well-said as always.
February 4, 2009 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
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