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Jimmy Carter

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Jimmy Carter makes a powerful case in the WP that "the devastating invasion of Gaza by Israel could easily have been avoided." Neither Israel nor Hamas comes across blameless, in his account, but in his irritatingly level-headed way (and without the thundering abuse routinely handed out by his detractors) he makes a case that Israel could have done better protecting its south from rockets without going to war than it has done by going to war. His account of back-channel talks with Hamas last year is very spare and compressed, and in some particulars confusing--confusing about who in Hamas said what, and when, and what Israeli officials said. But he does succeed in reminding us that Hamas wanted resumption of full-scale supply delivery into blockaded Gaza and that Israel declined. How wise was that?

Depressingly and predictably, the Post's online reader comments immediately plunged into vicious capital-letter abuse. If Carter is wrong about what Hamas was demanding, I'd like to hear some evidence.

In any event, Matt Yglesias anticipates that the cognoscenti will now full-throatedly declare that "as everyone knows Carter is a raging, Jew-hating, Israel-bashing bigot" and invites us to "note the irony that Carter is the most-loathed of US Presidents among Israel hawks, but the Camp David accords he sponsored have done more to advance Israeli interests than anything any president's done since Harry Truman recognized Israeli independence."

Yes, more than George W. Bush, hard as that may be to believe. Matt gets a lot of abuse too, though not as much as Carter, who actually brokered a peace treaty between Israel and Egypt.

Meanwhile, Hamas has lost no prestige either in Gaza or on the West Bank. According to Alistair Lyon of Reuters, the Israeli attack on Gaza is doing Israel's partner Abbas any good:

"There is a sense of fear in the West Bank. People are lying low," said International Crisis Group analyst Nicholas Pelham.

"The psychological impact of the Gaza campaign is going to be major in the West Bank, but at the moment it is being held in check by security measures. The pressure is mounting."

It's not mounting in favor of Abbas and the PLO.

Can we please fast-forward to January 21?


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No worries, Todd. The Palestinians can have another election whose results will be ignored by America, Israel, Egypt, and Europe.

I suspect this will be Hamas's campaign poster:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_O5OuU90ru-Y/SWZWsA2fkGI/AAAAAAAAC3s/DWntXsM7viY/s1600-h/17mideast.600.jpg

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The demonization of the Carter Administration by the right is understandable, but I never understood why so many pro Israeli Jews joined in that chorus. Not just hard core Zionist, but also many otherwise progressive people. I wonder if there is still some lingering resentment that Israel gave up the Sinai. It is a real puzzle.

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Read my post below. Carter excuses Palestinian terrorism but cuts Israel no slack. Anyone even remotely supportive of Israel can have nothing but scorn for this sanctimonious prig.

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Carter begins with a discussion of Sderot. Whether he's merely playing to his audience, or actually believes that there's an equivalence doesn't matter.

Here are the numbers run by Nancy Kanwisher of MIT:
Between Hamas and Israel, Israel
is consistently the first to break the truce.

If you think she's is twisting the data make an argument, but don't ignore them.


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There is a reason why Barack Obama refused to be in the same frame with Carter before the election. I than G-d his views as to the Mideast will be as ignored by President Obama, Vice President Biden and Secretary of State Clinton as they were by the last President Bush.

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What has happened to Jimmy Carter in this country is shameful and disgusting. Carter has never done anything since leaving office but fight for democracy, human rights, social justice and peace - and in exchange he is blackballed and dealt vicious abuse by a bunch of cowardly, thin-skinned partisans. Carter is one of the greatest living Americans, and worth 1000 of his attackers, any day of the week. My only comfort in this spectacle is that Carter will be remembered well by posterity, while the pestilential gnats who attack him are thereby only guaranteeing their ignominy.

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It is true that the two greatest ex-presidents of the US are John Q. Adams and Carter. And Adams was widely hated in his day by the same political forces attacking Carter -- namely the ultra-right that in those days were the pro-slavery movement.

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Second.

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Carter never forgot that he was elected to defend and promote the welfare of the American people. The founders forgot to mention Israel in the Constitution.

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The response you note is immanently predictable. For many "pro-Israelis", the worst thing you can do is actually advance Israeli interests by promoting peace and stability in the region. If it doesn't involve blowing up Arabs, they are against it. Frankly, with "friends" like that, Israel doesn't need enemies.

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It's unfortunate. Truman was a very good President.

But that was a pretty big mistake, in retrospect.

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What’s more disturbing: Carter’s contention that Hamas would accept “any” peace agreement negotiated between Israel and Mahmoud Abbas, or his apparent belief that Hamas was building a harmless “defensive” tunnel in Gaza? Either way, Jimmy’s musings make you wonder whether he got the memo—or, in this case, the many memos on Hamas’s historic refusal to recognize Israel and use of tunnels for transporting offensive weapons.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/49672
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The animus towards Jimmy Carter with respect to Israel has to do with his consistently being an apologist for Palestinian terrorism. He was indeed a prime force behind the successful Camp David Accords, and it's possible that some wingnuts are pissed off about the Sinai.

But while his actions as president may have been in Israel's interest, his post-presidential activities have been anything but. He has lent the prestige of the US presidency (yes, there is still some) to the notion that Palestinian terrorism can always be explained, but Israeli actions can never be. In his writings, he almost always is careful not to offend Palestinian sensibilities, but rarely takes the same care for Israelis. He dwells on Palestinian suffering, but spends barely any time at all showing sympathy for the victims of Palestinian terrorism. He consistently holds Israel to a standard of pacifism that is utterly unrealistic, yet he holds the Palestinians to no standard at all. He very often takes the statements of Palestinian leaders at face value, but is inclined to be skeptical of Israeli leaders. While calling him an Israel-hater may be a bit over the top there is no question that he is, in short, extremely biased.

There are plenty of American politicians and public figures that are critical of Israel. But because of his egregious bias, Carter comes in for special opprobrium.

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"A new information directorate was established to influence the media, with some success. And when the attack began just over a week ago, a tide of diplomats, lobby groups, bloggers and other supporters of Israel were unleashed to hammer home a handful of carefully crafted core messages..."

I guess that includes you Brad, since all you're doing is lying, or ignoring evidence that contradicts your claims.

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