The Paranoid Style of Israeli Censorship
Ethan Bronner at the NYT online reports that Israel is shutting foreign correspondents out of Gaza altogether.
Israel claims that its Gaza attacks are precisely targeted. War being war and human beings being human, that's unlikely to the vanishing point, but at least it's an empirical claim that's in principle falsifiable. That's where journalism comes in. The Israeli claim cries for on-the-ground verification--especially on a day when at least 30 Palestinian refugees are dead in or near a UN school where they took refuge, and Israel claims that the attack was justified in that "an initial investigation suggested its forces had responded to mortar fire coming from the school."
So let's see what an independent press says, right? Wrong, according to the Israeli government. Here's Bronner:
Daniel Seaman, director of Israel's Government Press Office, said that "any journalist who enters Gaza becomes a fig leaf and front for the Hamas terror organization, and I see no reason why we should help that."
Bronner adds:
Foreign reporters deny that their work in Gaza has been subject to Hamas censorship or control.
But never mind, in the eyes of the Israeli government. "Objectively," foreign reporting from Gaza serves Hamas. This theory has the totalitarian look all too familiar in fascist and Stalinist annals.
It is impossible for me to see how this thuggish censorship serves the security of Israelis living within rocket range of Gaza--or anywhere else, for that matter.
P. S. On the question of proportionality, Andrew Sullivan's finely argued post is a must-read.













With the information war in full gear, get a load of this article by the historian Michael Oren, reporting on (bragging about?)his new job as an official IDF propagandist.
January 6, 2009 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is this so outrageous? All governments have official spokesmen. All governments try to shape the media narrative by emphasizing some things and de-emphasizing other things. Historically, as any Israeli or supporter of Israel will tell you, Israel has been notoriously bad at controlling the story and lamenting the sorry state of Israel's PR is de rigueur in pro-Israel circles. Perhaps that accounts for the excess of caution in trying to keep the foreign media out of Gaza.
January 6, 2009 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is outrageous because he writes editorials like this one in the LA Times, where his byline conspicuously fails to mention that he is at this moment serving in the IDF, and is writing from an official position without that being disclosed.
Michael B. Oren is a distinguished fellow at the Shalem Center and a professor at the foreign service school of Georgetown University.
January 7, 2009 12:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Historically, as any Israeli or supporter of Israel will tell you, Israel has been notoriously bad at controlling the story and lamenting the sorry state of Israel's PR is de rigueur in pro-Israel circles.
While supporters of Israel may try to tell me that, I would counter that precisely the opposite has been true historically, and the Israelis have done an extraordinarily good job at controlling the stories told about their country.
The problem is that there are always many sources of information and judgment about actual events, and reality-based limits to the degree to which one can sell a story that diverges in factual content or moral content from the events it seeks to narrate.
So while Israelis do frequently lament their failure to exert total control over the narrative accounts of the events and conditions they produce, and regard negative global reactions as a failure of marketing, maybe they should consider the possibility that they actually do better than most, but there is only so much lipstick you can put on a pig.
As for Oren, I was under the impression that he aspired to the vocation of the historian. Has he considered how much damage he does to his reputation, and to the present and future reception of his work by scholars, by taking on the position of official government propagandist? This label will now be attached to him by posterity. It will undermine the essential bond of trust needed between scholarly author and scholarly audience for the author to have an influence, and will no doubt permanently devalue his work.
January 7, 2009 8:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Daniel Seaman, director of Israel's Government Press Office, said that "any journalist who enters Gaza becomes a fig leaf and front for the Hamas terror organization, and I see no reason why we should help that.""
Says it all, that there is no way objective journalism can be favorable to Israel.
Also: "Israel has been notoriously bad at controlling the story and lamenting the sorry state of Israel's PR is de rigueur in pro-Israel circles."
That couldn't possible be because the true story is so detrimental to the Israeli's, now could it?
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January 7, 2009 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I saw a reporter on Maddow show last night who reported that IDF was unusually frank in why no reporters were being allowed in Gaza. It was to better control the information coming out of Gaza now. I forget who the reporter was, but is was someone like the lead foreign correspondent for NBC or some other big op.
January 6, 2009 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
They're aiming for the high standards aof the Bush Administration, who never saw a fact that wasn't threatening.
January 6, 2009 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, that brings a sad thought: Israel is about to follow us over the Right Wingnut cliff of the last 8 years, just as we snapped ourselves out of it.
January 6, 2009 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think we learned quite a bit from Israel as well. I can remember Israeli security people pouring into the US after 9/11. Then Iraq became our Palestine for a while, still is in many ways, and Cheney would have been happy occupying it for all time.
After 9/11, that French newspaper charitably declared, "We are all Americans."
But ever since we went into Afghanistan and especially since we occupied Iraq, as far as Americans are concerned I feel like "We are all Israelis now." Unfortunately...
January 6, 2009 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
So where are the Palestinians at TPM?
And without invited guests why would anyone else even bother?
There are Palestinian reporters in Gaza. How about contacting them? As I'm always left saying: all there is now here is a debate between men over the role of women.
Bronner: "Israel’s war on the Islamist rulers of Gaza."
There was an election. Hamas won. But then again, it's not like the Israelis have let anyone leave so how can anyone else be said to rule, other than the Israelis themselves?
And if Michael Oren is now a formal employee of the state of Israel, lets remember that it's still the informal model. The writers at the new Foreign Policy Magazine site consider themselves intellectuals but are first and foremost educated nationalists with a past or/and a future in US government service. Nationalism is always a dangerous thing: useful as a tool of the weak, as a tool of the strong it's corruption incarnate. Intellectuals in direct government service are hacks only slightly more than those in service to its general interests. Which is why American universalism is as mocked elsewhere as it is celebrated here,
So it doesn't matter if Bernard Avishai is being paid to lie or if he's lying from the heart he's still lying
January 6, 2009 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you are being a little harsh on Avishai even if your posted summary of Hamas's history is more accurate than his.
But there is something here that is infrequently discussed which is the seeming Israeli policy to promote and/or provoke the most extreme elements on the Palestinian side. There are numerous examples. As wll as those you bring up in Hamas's first decade there were also the numerous times that Sharon escalated Israeli actions during the second intifada during periods of relative calm. It was as if Sharon was encouraging the suicide bombing of his people. He probably figured a 1000 dead Israelis would be a small price to pay to kill the two state solution once and for all. Another example is more subtle. This is when the neocon's in Washington and the rightest Likudnik Sharansky encouraged Bush to insist on the election that Hamas won. I think these people were acting in concert with Sharon and they knew before hand that Hamas would likely win. This act also allowed Israel to ignore any meaningful movement towards two states. Then, of course, it was Israel that broke the truce on November 4 setting off the latest round of carnage.
I know many people here believe that if the Palestinians would just revert to Ghandian non-violence then they would win their struggle. Probably true which is exactly why the Israelis would never allow such a movement to exist in the first place. They have practice at undermining the more responsible Palestinians voices.
January 6, 2009 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
and let it be known far and wide that none other than Mossad had a hand in supporting and encouraging the development of Hamas, thinking that they'd be a counter the growing power of the PLO and help to destroy any chance at Palestinian statehood
so far, it's working out. the majority in Israel does not want a Palestinian state to ever happen and virtually everything it does regarding Palestinians is working toward seeing that a state never happens. perpetual squalor is Israel's preferred fate for palestinians
January 6, 2009 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you think Avishai doesn't know about the history of Israeli support for Hamas?
That's like saying he doesn't recognize the name Uri Avnery
January 6, 2009 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't say any such thing.
I was merely elaborating on syvanen's comment regarding Israel promoting extreme elements in palestine
January 6, 2009 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course he is aware of this history. For his own reasons he has chosen to not mention this chapter in Israel's history; that does not make him a liar.
I would even venture a conjecture for why he avoided this topic. Though well documented and very likely the case that Israel supported and channeled funds to Hamas in its early days, the story sounds fantastic. Initially I certainly thought it was too fantastic to believe. Also most people that Avishai is trying to reach do not know this story and they would dismiss his main message if he also mixed it with this piece of history. See he doesn't want to appear as a nut case to the wider less involved audience.
As they say, even if what you fear is true, that does not prove you are not paranoid.
January 6, 2009 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
" Also most people that Avishai is trying to reach do not know this story and they would dismiss his main message if he also mixed it with this piece of history. See he doesn't want to appear as a nut case to the wider less involved audience."
? The information about Israel's introduction of Hamas as a PLO counterpart is not well known among the general populace because it weakens the case of those who want to sell the conflict as black vs white; with Israel in the latter camp.
Those reading TPMCafe are not among the ignorant on this issue as it has been common knowledge here for years.
To suggest it be avoided because it might shock or surprise someone-or-other is to inadvertendly endorse ignorance . I'm sure that many Americans were surprised that their government lied to them about WMD's in Iraq, too.
In my years of online participation discussing this issue, I have yet to see anyone credibly deny the truth of it as the primary sources of the information are all Israeli "nutcases".
I applaud Seth's efforts to counter talkingpoints that decieve, whether intentional or not.
January 7, 2009 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
January 6, 2009 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
The whole point of permitting reporters to report is to assess factual claims the truth of which you insinuate that you already know--for reasons that are evidently protected from those of us who are not prefurnished with absolute truth. You expect us to believe an insinuation without evidence. Call me fussy: I'd like evidence. Whatever my opinion of rights or wrongs, a reader is entitled to evidence.
If the Israeli government thinks it improves its standing in the world by refusing journalists entry, it's wrong.
January 6, 2009 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hasbara alert. More citations from the neo-cons at Commentary.
The IDF must be committing a lot of war crimes in Gaza right now. The speed in which they are "debunking" events before they can even be absorbed is clearly a deliberate strategy.
January 6, 2009 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even funnier, the 'proof' in the Commentary post is a link to the JPost, which gets its talking points wholesale from the IDF propaganda ministy.
Journalists who abjure reporting the vital details of this story should be called what they are — activists masquerading as reporters.
Indeed, so according to our hasbara friends, a 'real journalist' is one who swallows the IDF propaganda and regurgitates it uncritically. LOL.
January 6, 2009 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for that quote from Commentary. I'll get around to reading it just about never.
January 6, 2009 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Asked whether there were Hamas militants in the area at the time of the attack, Ging said it was the scene of clashes "so there's an intense military and militant activity in that area." He said UN staff vetted Palestinians seeking shelter at their facilities to make sure militants were not taking advantage of them. "So far we've not had violations by militants of our facilities," he said. Ging called for an independent investigation of the strikes near UN facilities."
I'm sorry if I trust the UN more than Israel. They lied about Lebanon too.
Sam Husseini: "Are you using cluster bombs in Lebanon? "
Daniel Ayalon Israeli ambassador to the US: "No we are not"
"In Lebanon, we covered entire villages with cluster bombs, what we did there was crazy and monstrous," testifies a commander in the Israel Defense Forces' MLRS (Multiple Launch Rocket System) unit. Quoting his battalion commander, he said the IDF fired some 1,800 cluster rockets on Lebanon during the war and they contained over 1.2 million cluster bombs."
January 6, 2009 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, praise be the MSM is leading with the death of "dozens" of civilians and the attacks on 3 UN clinics and a health clinic.
January 6, 2009 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, my! Nothing riles the MSM more than being dissed. NBC News must have set a record tonight for the number of maimed children shown on network news. The censorship is an utter failure.
January 6, 2009 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have they blamed Iran yet?
January 6, 2009 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope, they seemed to be intent to pay back the Israelis for cutting off their access to report. They found a Norwegian doctor who said he's seen 800 dead children. I expect the Israelis will make peace with NBC and Brian Williams will soon be reprogrammed to not see dead children.
January 6, 2009 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
As the leader of the British Invasion, Ray Davies famously said: Paranoia may destroy ya!
January 6, 2009 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Robert Fisk has pointed out a benefit of the Israeli exclusion of "western" reporters:
There's a wrinkle...
January 6, 2009 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
In this day of the internet and the World Wide Web, not letting independent observers witness a war zone only allows the people being bombed to state the case as they see it, Biased as much as possible in their favor.
The IDF lost its credibility during the Lebanon invasion.
January 7, 2009 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Paranoid? To call the Israeli control of the news paranoid is to actually give it some credit. It's not paranoid, it's cynical.
During the war of '06, Israeli censorship was extended to foreign journalists. In the main, reporting about the landing sites of Hezbollah rockets was verbotten. The logical reasoning was sound from an Israeli security perspective; if Hezbollah fighters firing off unguided rockets knew whether or not their aim was accurate, they would of course, be able to adjust accordingly. During that operation, one would occasionally hear on-air American reporters explaining that they were operating under constraints imposed by the Israeli government.
Lessons learned.
During the present conflict, reports on landing sites of Qassams/Katyushas, mortars, etc fired from Gaza have been scrupulously reported and highlighted. Foreign journalists have been encouraged to report from communities hit and in the line of fire.
Both Hezbollah and Hamas basically use the same primitive munitions lacking guidance systems, yet feedback to Hamas rocketeers was is not considered a security matter when it comes to Israeli civilians within their range.
Israeli media censorship did finally kick in on the eve of the invasion of Gaza, as far as I can tell. Reporting on the beginning of that phase of the operation was embargoed until cleared by the Government Censor.
I have yet to see or hear any mention of the censorship by any American news source. Even the Israeli media has only made oblique and specific references to it in reporting on the search and arrest of an Arab Israeli accused of violating the embargo.
Given that the Israeli media has sometimes been forbidden to report on the fact that they are being censored, I wonder if the same restrictions have been applied to the foreign media for Operation Cast-Lead Draydel.
(The name is a reference to an old nursery rhyme about a special child's toy, a four-sided spinning top (dreidel, sevivon) associated with the celebration of Chanukah)
January 6, 2009 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
see my comment above about NBC guy on Maddow yesterday. Israel can't make foreign reporters not report on their restrictions. perhaps it can kick them out, but that cat's out of the bag now
January 6, 2009 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
lally:
I heard Hopeman on NPR tonight. He finally heard from Peaceman for the first time since the ground incursion.
January 6, 2009 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the update about Peaceman, Bruce. Let's hope he and Hopeman make it through.....and that there is space for them to continue their work together in the aftermath.
January 7, 2009 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh the Lobby is fully operational
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HELP ISRAEL NOW
The life and death of Israel and its citizens is in our hands
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January 6, 2009 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
WRT the UN School...Al Jazeera's correspondent reported from the scene followed immediately by an IDF spokesperson who claimed that the school was being used by Hamas. The IDF had information. He proceeded to rattle off a few names
Unfortunately those wiley Palestinians had removed the bodies ...under Merkava fire
Ben Nelson on Rachael Madow just tonight volunteered the example of the UN school ...repeating the same IDF line adding that "it wasn't clear"
January 6, 2009 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Real news available on line and worth the download
http://www.livestation.com/aje
January 6, 2009 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting anecdote from Jeffrey Goldberg, who is certainly not in the "Israel right or wrong" camp:
He goes on:
Perhaps Israel's suspicion of having the media in Gaza is rooted in long experience watching the media get played for patsies by the shameless propagandists of Hamas.
January 6, 2009 11:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, then, it will be very interesting when all the first-hand reports from the Western NGOs finally come out. I'm sure they will have plenty of unstaged brutality and outrage to tell about.
Your last statement is particularly weak--did Hamas play the UN humanitarian office? Were they kicked out of Israel, because they were 'Hamas sympathizers?'
Whatever. You can spin all you want, but the truth will come out of Gaza eventually, just like it did in Lebanon.
January 7, 2009 12:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dave Bowman,
Many of the same NGOs that signed on to the Bogeyman Statement at the UN's 2001 Racism Festival in Durban, SA, no doubt.
Dave, you and these NGOs are the mirror image of Beit Podhoretz. They have their preferred narrative (ie, "spin") and you have yours. Together you all own a sizeable timeshare of this obscene sandbox.
January 7, 2009 8:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, indeed, the UN Humanitarian Office and the Red Cross certainly have an axe to grind, don't they?
To Bruce Levine, below; I didn't reference Gaza in this post, so you've obviously been waiting to try to hit me back on it. So, if you would, please tell us why Gaza is not like Warsaw?
It is indeed a shame that the Israeli government is using tactics such as collective punishment that are specifically defined as war crimes by the Geneva Conventions, and which were the result of Nazi atrocities. Just because Jews were among the people these tactics were aimed at in WWII does not confer a free pass in using similar tactics on others.
If you feel so strongly about this, I encourage you to contact Shoal Mofaz and tell him that his widely-known promise to unleash a shoah on the Palestinians is most unhelpful, and brings up painful historical comparisons which are hard to rationalize.
January 7, 2009 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. Bowman:
You are asking me to disprove the analogy between the Nazis and Israel? No thanks. If you're into that, good luck, and I'm sure the Israel right or wrongers appreciate your support. I notice your reference to Ray Davies up above, so perhaps we do share something in common, to wit, a long-standing admiration of the Kinks. Gotta start somewhere. Good luck Mr. Bowman.
January 7, 2009 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Brad:
Thank you for boldly posting a contrary caveat to the post and comments, for doing it with grace and civility, and for enduring the attacks from the likes of a Dave Bowman, who from the start of this crisis needed no journalist to convince him, as he has written, that Gaza is no different than the Warsaw Ghetto. I submit that for armchair warriors like Mr. Bowman, there could be a thousand journalists for every Gazan, and no matter what they reported Mr. Bowman would still see no difference between Israel and Nazi Germany. And so he has removed himself, as far as I'm concerned, from the ranks of credible commenters.
But Mr. Bowman is correct, and I don't think you argue to the contrary, that Israel's decision not to allow foreign journalists into Gaza was the wrong thing to do. I have always read Mr. Gitlin, but I guess while I am surprised that he has conjured up visions of Josef Stalin and his ilk on the basis of Israel's decision to exclude journalists, and while that startling analogy cannot help but to color my future assessments of where Mr. Gitlin is coming from, his point that Israel was wrong to exclude foreign journalists cannot be disputed.
Mr. Bowman is correct that the truth will come out, much of the truth, and of course you and I know that what is truth will be debated. Proud zionists like myself feel undoubtedly feel shame and be forced, once again, to come to grips with the reality that G-d awful atrocities, the deaths of children in their mother's arms, are committed in the name of the Jewish State. And, perhaps you, like me, will have to answer to my children, or to friends about how I can justify that which I can't.
But I will have no trouble responding to those who see no difference between Nazis and the State of Israel. To those people, I will say that they personify the reason that there is a need for the Jewish State in the first place.
Bruce S. Levine
New York, New York
January 7, 2009 7:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dear Mr. Levine,
Please understand that I brought up Stalinists and fascists in one specific respect: their insistence on a strictly two-sided picture of reality, so that "you're either with us or with the bourgeoisie/Communists/evildoers." The structure of such thinking is dangerous regardless of who does it.
January 7, 2009 9:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for your gracious reply Professor Gitlin.
January 7, 2009 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Palestinian propaganda is no more appealing than Israeli. At the risk of laborious repetition: This is why journalists are necessary. When journalists do a lousy job--God knows that happens--the remedy is not to shut down the journalists but to let more of them in to do their work.
January 7, 2009 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Look upthread Brad.
"Asked whether there were Hamas militants in the area at the time of the attack, Ging said it was the scene of clashes "so there's an intense military and militant activity in that area." He said UN staff vetted Palestinians seeking shelter at their facilities to make sure militants were not taking advantage of them. "So far we've not had violations by militants of our facilities," he said. Ging called for an independent investigation of the strikes near UN facilities."
And Israel has lied about "human shield" claims in the past, in Lebanon. Follow the links above.
And compare these examples:
So Brad, are you now one of Israel's new official
employees? like Michel Oren?
"My job in this war is to reinforce Israel's position in the media."
Is Jeffrey Goldberg?
January 7, 2009 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Israel claims that its Gaza attacks are precisely targeted.
Lots of people will want to discuss whether these claims are reliable, so I prefer to wander off in a different direction: how is it that during the aggression into and occupation of the former al-‘Iráq we have heard so very little about those "smart bombs" that were all over the lot back during Secretary Albright’s War?
Evidently smartness in bombing has made a major come-back in the last couple of weeks, but where did it go away to in the interim?
I cannot think it likely that building the damn things is an art that was lost and then recovered again.
Happy days.
January 7, 2009 3:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Astounding statement. On its face, Mr. Seaman seems to be inferring reporters - any reporters - magically are transformed into Hamas propaganda flacks when they cross the Gaza line. Or... he's saying that by reporting merely the facts of the Gaza assault, Israel looks like a monster. Apparently, Mr. Seaman's (and Israel's) quarrel isn't with journalists, it's with the truth.
January 7, 2009 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
i am in no way trying to justify hamas's actions along the years as legitimate or helpful.they're obviously doing harm to the Gazans by running a violent policy against Israeli civilians and an extreme religious policy against their own people.
and still , a few points were missing from Sullivan's words,which are important for the explanation of Israel's state/threats and most importantly what should be done in order to give Israel any legitimacy to act militantly and to dare calling it defense or a "no choice" war.
we should never forget that since the "6 day war"
in 67 ,Israel is a de facto colonial oppressing force .im not even talking here about the great tragedy of the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who fled from their homes in 48 after the big war who ran basically by British generals.
the Israeli leadership and brainwashed Israelis and media are denying this fact for years creating a collective consent over the issue in order to justify their acts and to leave their sense of security unshaken , the result is the strengthening of the right wing parties and a confused weak left wing, censorship of any kind of counter act/opinion over the situation in mainstream channels and rise of racism and fascism .all these are deeply rooted in the average israeli mind and its in itself a huge tragedy.
all attempts to achieve peace since then were futile and were approached with an already "neutered" conscious preventing any real effort to make justice , to take responsibility exactly for this reasons ,even when it was mainly left wing effort.
the oslo agreement which was rejected by the hamas for a good reason only deepened the occupation , made it a "legal" one , divided the Palestinian villages even moreand strengthen the settlers who are completely outlawed and are the most economically invested communities in Israel.
not reminding these facts is making the whole issue ambiguous and rootless , giving the impression that hamas or fatah's or any Palestinian counter Israeli acts are , reasonless and for the sake of pure evil only.
until Israel wont acknowledge these issues , and show good will ,she doesn't have the right to proclaim , "we tried everything" , "there is no partner for peace" and so on.if this wont change , the only way is to persuade Israel to do so , meaning united states has to force israel to do so ,since Israel is its yes man and dog watch since 48 and completely dependent on the u.s.
my hope , which is in big question at the moment is that obama will take responsibility and finish with all the "moderate" , hypocrite policy carried by the u.s.
secondly, the hamas was supported by Israel in the years when the fatah was the "threat" to Israel back in the 80's ,he invested in important social infrastructure and provided the sense of security and sanity to the gazans in the terrible reality.after the Oslo agreement the hamas became the official resistance to the occupation after the fatah has been neutered .actually the talks between Arafat and Israel were suppose to continue with the taba talks but then Ariel Sharon came into office(and bush came in too in the u.s)and refused to talk or even to meet him.
im Israeli and im naturally more concerned with my security since i cant feel exactly what the other side feels , but im sadden and angry and terrified by what israel is doing.
stop the ambiguity.gaza is under siege for a few years now . completly dependent on israel.
israel ran to the pentagon after 9/11 to add hamas to the list of the so called "axis of evil" and since then no one talks to them.
the hamas said clearly many times that peace is negotiable under the conditions mentiond above.
it is even implemented in their constitution.
israel can claim that its a "trick" but without even trying ,its forever an excuse to keep on the propaganda.
January 7, 2009 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I am in no way trying to justify hamas's actions along the years as legitimate or helpful.they're obviously
Actually as Daniel Levy has said, The IDF admits that Hamas in the past has tried to limit civilian casualties, but other militants have not and Hamas has not tried to restrain them.
"doing harm to the Gazans by running a violent policy against Israeli civilians and an extreme religious policy against their own people."
Hamas is becoming more popular.
And of course, it won an election and was attacked by US-sponsored coup attempt.
January 7, 2009 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
of course hamas is getting more popular.through the suffering and anger of the gazans it seems more legit to choose a leadership that wont compromise on their conditions, what do you expect?what i meant is that it is obvious that the vicious israeli policy will attack 1000 times
harder on each rocket fired by the hamas and hamas knows that.well the palestinian nation is one of the most neglect by the whole world.the big powers completly ignores that and just play diplomatic games with israel , making the situation worse.no one acknowledge hamas as a political talk able body.so what is left for them to do?just accept the siege and leave in sub conditions.since the u.s and u.n declared the hamas a terrorist group,all their international bank acounts got closed.they couldn't raise any money except from country's like Iran and the likes anyway. if the u.s would stop vetoing each suggestion raised by the u.n maybe it would be different. so they have nothing to lose , i guess the chances are high i would do the same if i had to go through the same life as theyrs
its exactly (not symmetrical of course)like the huge Jewish Russian and Ethiopian communities in the development cities around Gaza. they suffer the most from the rockets and are completely neglect israeli society and suffer most by the Israeli government social policy and militant policy.while they are the most reluctant to see gaza get completely vaporized.just to let you know . there is a small new organization of people living in those cities who made a petition to stop the attacks and to engage peace talks.they are in touch with Gazan residents who think the same while obviously suffer much much more. the name is "kol acher" which means , "other voice".
http://www.othervoice.org/
January 7, 2009 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
thank you for the link
January 7, 2009 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dear international news consumers,
I bring you glad tidings. Foreign press will be allowed into Gaza at long last. To insure that no disinformation from Palestians is allowed to confuse you, the righteous Israeli truthtellers will still be in control of what you are allowed to see.
Best,
Lally
From Imra:
"Wednesday, January 7, 2009 Limited embed press pool into the Gaza Strip
IDF Spokesperson January 7th, 2009
Dear international journalists,
The Israel Defence Forces has permitted the entry of a limited embed press pool into the Gaza Strip and will be distributing footage from this pool later tonight.
Access to video material from Gaza will be via the operations office at JCS.
Best,
Maj. Avital Leibovich
IDF Spokesperson Unit
January 7, 2009 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can see that tongue in your cheek from all the way out here lally!
January 7, 2009 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I couldn't resist as the Miss Manners form of the communique is so patently phony and quite unlike the usual "tone".
Imra, again:
"Saturday, January 3, 2009 IDF SPOX REMINDER: Materials must be submited to the Govermment Censor
IDF Spokesperson January 3rd, 2009
In accordance with Israeli law, journalists are reminded to submit materials to the Government Censor before use.
Please contact the Government Censor's offices in Tel-Aviv (03-6080227) and
Jerusalem (02-6242988)."
January 7, 2009 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
pure fascism .
you know. it became a voluntary phenomenon .there are groups in israel like "israel academy monitor"
who sit all day and look for any material that is "anti israel" and condemns it and explain in pseudo academic ways why these materials are manipulative and evil.
January 7, 2009 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I also saw awhile back that one of the media monitors, "Honest" Reporting or Camera, decided it was high time to include the Israeli media, particularily Haaretz, in their campaign. Haaretz, at least the English version, has become far more tentative in their reporting. The opinion stuff is different. It's my understanding that OpEd content wasn't under the same Israeli censorship strictures as the straight reporting.
January 7, 2009 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nancy Kanwisher, MIT Asks a question:
Reigniting Violence: How Do Ceasefires End?
The Answers
January 7, 2009 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink