Truth and Reconciliation Commission
I haven't written much on what the role of the new administration is, on getting to bottom of the violations of International and U.S. constitutional law by the Bush Administration. On one level, I can understand Obama's reluctance to engage in a vendetta against the outgoing administration and focus his energies on the future. But the bipartisan report of the Senate Armed Services Committee leads me to believe that we probably need our version of South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
The abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib, the report says, "was not simply the result of a few soldiers acting on their own" but grew out of interrogation policies approved by Mr. Rumsfeld and other top officials, who "conveyed the message that physical pressures and degradation were appropriate treatment for detainees."
We need to understand that there is a permanent Establishment in America that rules no matter what party holds the Presidency.
That Establishment is not comfortable with its members being tried for War Crimes. But Howard Zinnwas right.
It is very important for the Establishment--that uneasy club of business executives, generals and politicos--to maintain the historical pretension of national unity, in which the government represents all the people, and the common enemy is overseas, not at home, where disasters of economics or war are unfortunate errors or tragic accidents, to be corrected by the members of the same club that brought the disasters.
A stain is upon our nation's soul and it must be cleansed. As uncomfortable as it may be, a Bipartisan commission that looks at the violations of both our constitution and the Geneva Convention is critical to learning the lessons of history so they are not repeated.















As far as a Truth and Reconciliation Commission - as W once infamously said, "Bring it on". Then the next stop could be the ICC as far as I'm concerned.
December 18, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good post. I have argued on this space before with people that want tp push for some sort of prosecution of the Bush Administration's crimes. It's worth pointing out again that a partisan prosecution not only would spoil our political process but would never get to the bottom of anything. Remember Ken Starr and magnify the drama and rancor 100 fold....No thanks.
We want people to talk, and we want to learn from our mistakes, so as never to repeat them. A truth and reconciliation commission with full power to grant immunity is the only way that happens.
December 18, 2008 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
The truth just might set us free from the stain of this Administration left on our international reputation.
December 18, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I could get behind a Truth and Reconciliation Commission as long as it operated on the principles used in South Africa -- that those who come forward may be granted amnesty if they have not committed serious crimes. If it's like the 9/11 Commission, which got a lot of information out but was a political body where it was essentially agreed in advance that they would assign no blame, then no thanks.
December 18, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, a bipartisan commission. First, a couple of questions:
Bipartisanship was successfully deployed as a tool of intimidation to lead this country down the path of warmongering, torture, civil rights abuse and corruption that brought us to this point. Is it reasonable to expect anything useful out of a bipartisan commission?
A bipartisan commission would be made up of roughly equal numbers of partisan individuals. Why would we not expect each and every partisan member of that balanced, bipartisan panel to spend most of his/her time cutting deals with those on the other side to avoid any damaging assignment of accountability?
Here's a thought experiment:
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that there are 5 credible, knowledgeable, prominent Democrats to appoint to the bipartisan commission who have no stake in the outcome, who are willing to follow the investigation without hesitation wherever it leads and assign blame impartially based on the evidence, even if that evidence points to party leaders, political friends and allies.
Okay, now name them. Fill in the blanks in the spaces below:
Dem 1:
Dem 2:
Dem 3:
Dem 4:
Dem 5:
Now, name 5 credible, knowledgeable, prominent Republicans who are equally willing to do the same? Fill in the blanks in the spaces below:
Rep 1:
Rep 2:
Rep 3:
Rep 4:
Rep 5:
I admit, I can't come up with the names, but maybe that's a failure of imagination on my part.
December 18, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that no one can find 5 Democrats or Republicans who would truly be non-partisan in their approach to this. But, the real problem is, as Jon Taplin's quote noted, America is in reality ruled by a floating group of businessmen, military men, and very partisan politicians. Those folks will never allow a true accounting of all of the crimes of the Bush's to happen. Don't forget, those folks made massive amounts of money from Bush's crimes, and that would soon become one of the facts that would come out of any real non-partisan investigation. It just isn't going to happen.
Add to that problem, the problems facing Obama that truly do threaten our very existence as a world power - the economy, the climate, and our reputation in the world. Obama will rightfully concentrate on those problems, not the problem of what to do about the Bush's.
December 19, 2008 1:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
RedPlanet
I'll suggest one;
When in need of someone to protect the political system from too much damage while at the same time seemimgly projecting an air of objectivity in search of truth there's no one better than that old reliable 'go to guy',
Lee Hamilton.
December 19, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Redshift,
Not sure whether your Lee Hamilton suggestion was serious or snarky but I'm leaning toward the latter. In either case, there's this:
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/032608c.html
I don't think bi-partisanship, which seeks to emphasize areas of agreement and avoid differences, can get us through this. First of all, we'd have to have open agreement on both sides of the aisle that horrible things have been done, and that accountability is needed. Such agreement doesn't exist today.
December 20, 2008 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Red,
it was snark.
December 20, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I couldn't agree more with what you've written.
However, a Truth and Reconciliation Commission inquiry must go far beyond the crimes of the Cheney administration. The files of the CIA must be opened, without exception, and then the CIA must be abolished. The FBI files must be opened, without exception.
The people of the USA have a right to know what involvement Howard Hunt and his ban of UCLAs, for instance, had in the assassination of JFK. We have a right to know what persons and governmental agencies were behind the assassinations of MLK and RFK. And we deserve to know every detail of the atrocities perpetrated by agencies of our government in foreign lands, from the deposition of the Iranian prime Minister in 1953 through the present war in Colombia.
The "permanent Establishment" must be exposed.
What President Cheney; Incurious George; and all of their minions have done is no more of a stain upon the people of the USA than the actions of all of their predecessor administrations.
December 18, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
And where the hell is Jimmy Hoffa?
December 18, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
You haven't heard? He's buried under the end zone of Giants Field. Or, he could have been shipped to Japan and come back as part of a Toyota or Datsun.
December 18, 2008 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like it!
December 18, 2008 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've been wanting Truth and Reconciliation for a long time.
Thank you for this!
December 18, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
"on one level, I can understand Obama's reluctance to engage in a vendetta against the outgoing administration"
Jon, that's precisely how not to frame any attempt to follow the rule of law.
"Vendetta" has nothing to do with it. "Partisan" has nothing to do with it. "Tit for Tat, Revenge, Payback" -all have absolutely nothing to do with it.
But this type of framing, this language, does serve to de-legitimize any attempt for us to follow our own laws and see that they are enforced. I wish people would stop using them.
December 18, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Rated: Five Stars ... *****
The following quote:
Perfectly stated.
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December 18, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
thanks OGD, I know from the past you and I are on the same exact page on this issue...too bad Scott Horton decided to jump ship.
December 18, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Well . . .
Hey LUD -- Sorry I didn't see this earlier.
I don't believe in a minute that Mr. Horton was ever on the ship, so to speak. I take him more as being in a dingy rowing hard but foundering between each side of the issue, and going in the direction that the prevailing wind blows.
~OGD~
December 22, 2008 4:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly right lux. Look how we have been conditioned to just let criminal behavior slide. Start asking questions, it's "the blame game". A serious inquiry into what happened? "Vendetta", "partisanship". And of course, sour grapes, sour milk, water under the bridge, over the dam, etc.
Bullspit. The only way we can avoid future mistakes is by learning from past mistakes. So on one level, that of seeking effective governance, we've had secret programs in place for 8 years, some longer. What did they cost, what were the results? There's no excuse for spending our money without our approval or oversight and then saying 'let's not look at how these programs performed.'
And on another level, that of criminality, criminals don't get to say 'let bygones be bygones.' These weren't petty crimes. Apparently, there was deliberate government sanctioned rape and murder. These are VERY serious crimes and no one should get a pass on committing them. None of us would be excused. What if I said 'Hey, I'm a Republican. It would be a partisan witch hunt to investigate any crimes I may have committed.'
Not acceptable. Let's see what has been done in our name. And then in our name, let us take action to correct wrongs and hold wrongdoers accountable.
December 18, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right on target. There is an informal tradition developing to make outgoing administrations no-fault zones. If you don't get them in the first two years you don't get them at all.
I have been ranting on this topic since 2004 and the issue has NEVER been partisan fighting- only an attempt to clean our own temple of justice (to use a Nuremburg phrase) We have to be able to teach civics to our k-12 population with a straight face. Ditto constitutional law to our young lawyers-in-training.
Allowing the accumulated abuses of this administration go uncorrected (and by that I mean legally, not some extra-legal panel) is to send very much the wrong signal to coming generations and coming administrations.
December 18, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Believe me, I'd be thrilled if they indicted the criminals here! They belong in The Hague. (in cells of course)
December 18, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Our own laws, specifically our own constitution requires an impeachment to correct the problem of having a criminal president. We were unable to force that to happen. Nothing we do now will correct that mistake.
December 19, 2008 1:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama should pardon the lot.
Nothing would be gained by wasting money and effort (not to mention tarnishing further the American image abroad by drawing this out) crying over spilt milk.
The past administration made mistakes and did abominably stupid and ugly things. Let's get that buried in the past ASAP.
December 18, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Oh really....
Uhhhh... There's no reason to cry over rotten milk there El Presidente...
~OGD~
December 18, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I am sure we will gain in international stature by burying all the old skeletons.
Only problem is that we have literal skeletons now, and they do figuratively cry out for justice.....
December 18, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nothing would be gained by wasting money and effort (not to mention tarnishing further the American image abroad by drawing this out) crying over spilt milk.
Of course not. Let bygones be bygones. The world will love us more if we just sweep all that stuff under the rug, where it belongs.
Of course, with torture and wars of aggression and so on, we are, of course, talking about war crimes here -- moreover, crimes that are considered so heinous that, in international law, any state is empowered to investigate and prosecute the crime, no matter where it occurred, as the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia stated in its ruling in Prosecutor v. Furundžija. Quoting Janis and Noyes, "the torturer has become, like the pirate and the slave trader before him, hostis humani generis, an enemy of all mankind."
But let's not let any of that prissy stuff keep us from Moving Forward and letting bygones be bygones. Spilt milk is all it is.
I got news for you, Señor Jefe Patron Presidente. Our reputation has been thoroughly tarnished already. About the only thing that can bring it back would be a willingness to account fully for what our leaders, and we through them, have done.
December 26, 2008 4:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're wrong.
History is made up of people who win, and people who lose. We haven't lost yet, so there's no need to submit to Nuremberg.
Also, the United States is not subject to the International Criminal Court, and its citizens and leaders cannot be convicted of war crimes, period.
December 29, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Señor Jefe Presidente, I strongly suggest you look up "universal jurisdiction" and "jus cogens" (alternatively spelled "ius cogens") very, very soon. You will see that it has nothing to do with winning, losing, or the ICC.
The rest of your argument seems to be "if you win, it's not a crime." The Nazis would not have committed war crimes, had they only won the war. I'm sure my people, six million of whom died during that non-crime, feel much more warm and fuzzy now about what the Nazis did.
How comforting. And very Nixonian, too, I might add ("If the President does it, that means that it is not illegal.")
December 30, 2008 5:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
You misunderstand.
I'm not saying that anyone did or didn't do anything wrong. I'm saying that "universal jurisdiction" is contrary to American law. Hitler did horrible things. Hitler committed war crimes because he wasn't powerful enough to convict the other guy instead.
That's what war crimes are. Post Facto justification for having gone to war in the first place. If Hitler had won, we'd be vilifying Churchill or Stalin instead.
The point is, as Americans, we have an interest in telling people to shut up and go home. IF we did anything wrong, we aren't like that anymore. I don't think that the Bush Administration was a good one; but American standing overseas is low enough without letting an international equivalent of Kenneth Starr start in on it.
There's nothing to see here. And if there is, get it out of sight, dammit. For all our sakes.
December 30, 2008 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
We have an incoming admin which is not willing to move an inch on a small issue of Rick warren by claiming:
He is not ready to confront people on social issues and we expect his administration would facilitate a Truth and Reconciliation Commission? There is never going to be a bipartisan or a partisan commission under the Obama admin.This issue would be decided outside of any bipartisan or the Obama admin sponsored commission. This has to be made a part of the political issues list that people should work on.
December 18, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jon- I agree with your assessment that justice must be served here. However, I believe that it is George Bush's intention to pardon Cheney et al for all crimes real or imagined before he leaves office. This will put a dent in all the best laid plans to bring these guys to account.
I don't think that a commission would work for procedural reasons. We don't need another report ala the recent one handed to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. We need justice and the courts are the place for this effort. First, the DoJ has to take the necessary steps against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and all the others. If this fails, even a symbolic trial at the ICC would at least establish that a crime was committed.
However, in the final analysis, forgiving and forgetting doesn't cut it so something MUST be done. See http://globalinvestmentwatch.com/2008/12/12/white-house-torture-strategy/
December 18, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reconciliation is not possible, but I welcome truth to start us on the path to deterrence.
December 18, 2008 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
All it takes for the truth to come out is for our "free press" to do their job. They aren't going to do that. Instead they will knuckle down and watch every single step taken by Obama, investigate the Hell out of him, report every rumor they hear, as if it is news, and do everything else in their capacity to make sure Obama only serves a 4 year term in office. That is reality.
December 19, 2008 1:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bi-partisan Truth and Reconciliation Commission my ass.
The assault on this country and its citizens by the Bush gang was so gigantic, so destructive, so egregious, that it deserves nothing less than a Special Prosecutor.
December 19, 2008 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
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December 21, 2008 5:17 AM | Reply | Permalink