Depression Economics: Normal Rules Don't Apply

Paul Krugman is trying to get us to understand that depression economics is
different from the economics of good times, that
"normal
rules don't apply."
Let me try to illustrate this point by looking at some objections to depression economics policy measures, in particular two recent objections to fiscal policy.
Tyler Cowen says that when it comes to fiscal policy, new research shows that deficit financed tax cuts are far more powerful than increased government spending at stimulating the economy.
But when I read the paper, I didn't think the results applied to depression economies because of the following sentence:
Furthermore, we find that deficit spending weakly stimulates the economy, that it crowds out private investment...
As I'll explain below, it's the claim of crowding out that raised red flags for me.
At Environmental Economics, John Whitehead has a series of posts on "Green jobs are bogus":
Environmental policy can change the mix of jobs but not the overall number of jobs. ... Green government fiscal policy doesn't create jobs in the long run.
That may or may not be true, but it misses the essential point. Green fiscal policy may not have any impact in the long-run, but we are concerned with stabilization, not growth, and it may very well create jobs and stabilize the economy in the short-run. As for the long-run, more on that below, but it's possible for there to be long-run effects on jobs as well. The claim is that there is no empirical evidence to justify the assertion that environmental policy can create jobs in the long-run, but I don't think the empirical evidence necessarily says much about the current situation - again, more on that below.
Let me explain through an example why I don't think these objections do not apply to depression economies.
Imagine a town with a widget factory that provides employment for workers in the town. There is full employment so that everyone who wants a job at the going rate of compensation has one, save for the unavoidable frictional unemployment as people voluntarily change occupations, move, etc.
The town also has infrastructure needs, in particular there is a bridge that is essential to commerce that can no longer support the weight of loaded trucks, and this is forcing trucks headed to and from market to take a much longer, much more expensive route.
If the government tries to build a new bridge or fix the old one, and there is full employment, it will be forced to bid those resources away from other uses. There is no labor or other resources sitting around idle waiting for something to do, so if the government wants to employ the labor, raw materials, and equipment to repair the bridge, it will have to bid these resources away from other uses. A crane working on the bridge cannot be building a new factory at the same time, labor to build the bridge must be bid away from the widget factory, and so on. In such a case, we will see substantial crowding out. That crane on the government bridge project could and would have been used on a private investment project, the labor building the bridge would have made more widgets, and the raw materials would have been used in the production of other private goods.
It is correct to say that government spending crowds out private investment in this case, and that all government spending can do is change the mix of jobs, it can't change the number. In the example above labor moved from widgets to bridges, but there was no change in the overall quantity of labor.
But let's change the situation. Suppose that for some reason - maybe a housing bubble leads to the collapse of the financial system - a recession hits and the demand for widgets falls nationally. Because of this, a large number of workers are laid off. They would work at pretty much any wage, and they have looked and looked, but there's nothing available for them.
In this case, government spending does not crowd out private investment, and it creates jobs, it doesn't just change the mix. Let's suppose, to make it easy, that the the number of laid off workers is just the number needed to build a new bridge (if not, then adjust the list of projects and add more or less until there is a match).
When the government steps in and hires workers to build the bridge, it doesn't take the workers away from other employment. This is a recession, firms aren't building new factories, new buildings aren't needed, or not needed to the same degree as at full employment, and there are cranes sitting in the yard waiting for something to do. Resources, like labor are no longer fully employed, and putting them to work does not mean having less of something else. In depression economies - when there are idle resources that are involuntarily unemployed - crowding out is not the problem.
Notice that there's another benefit here too. The bridge workers who formally had no income are now being paid, and when they use that income to buy widgets, the widget factory suddenly perks up, and it can hire more workers (who buy more widgets, etc., and this could lead to more private sector investment and higher future growth, though I wouldn't expect the investment effect to be large).
When we talk about crowding out, we mean that government spending, by using the crane, labor, etc., to build the bridge, displaces private investment. If we believe that private investment is more productive than government investment (which isn't completely clear for a bridge if the bridge is essential infrastructure), then future growth will be lower because of the lower level of private sector investment.
But in depression economies, things are different. The choice is not between a new bridge and a new factory, the choice is between a bridge and no bridge (you could try to induce the private sector to build a factory through tax incentives or other means, but good luck with that in a depression).
And here's the thing. If we build the bridge, growth will be higher, not lower in the future (returning to the point above about green jobs, this could just as easily be investments in energy infrastructure, etc.). With the new bridge in place, loaded trucks can use it again so that instead on only being able to make, say, 6 trips to market per day per truck using the long route around the bridge, the producer on the other side of the river can make 10 trips to market - they are no longer limited and production is higher, employment is higher, etc. So I don't necessarily agree that there is no long-run effect on employment. The important thing, though, is to stabilize the economy in the short-run and that happens even if there is no long-run benefit from the bridge (this would happen if, when the economy recovers again, workers move back from the bridge to the widget factory, but there are no new jobs on net overall).
Both of the objections above cite empirical evidence in support of their claims. Free Exchange deals with this objection, but let me add a bit more. We have very little U.S. historical data for time periods when the economy is in a depression, so we don't know a lot about the effectiveness of policy in this framework. It's hard to find decent data about the economy prior to 1947 (and make that 1959 for data on money), and we haven't had that many recessions in that time period. And more importantly, we haven't had the deep kind of recession that depression economics is intended to address. When most of your data (half in any case) is from good times, it is not surprising that the empirical evidence finds that crowding out is an important consideration. If we had lots of episodes like the current one to look at, then I would have more confidence in these results, but we don't. Parameters such as the responsiveness of investment and money demand to changes in the interest rate, the marginal propensity to save, etc., can all change drastically in deep recessions, and that means that the results from empirical investigations covering other time periods won't be very informative. I don't think we know much at all from the econometric evidence about the success of fiscal policy in deep downturns. We'll know more in the future because we'll be able to look back at this one, but for now policymakers are flying pretty blind. What we can examine is the experience of the Great Depression, and when you do, the case for fiscal policy is strong.
Let me end with a few comments about the choice between spending and tax cuts. Let's go back to our example where a national recession has caused workers to be unemployed. But this time, instead of hiring the workers to build a bridge, let's give a tax cut, perhaps a payroll tax cut, or a tax cut of some other type.
How will this help the unemployed workers? Assuming the extra income is not saved, or used to pay off debt, it will be spent to buy widgets. Then, the widget maker, seeing the increase in demand, will hire the workers back to the widget factory. So, if this works, you get more widgets instead of a new bridge. (But this may not be what you want if consumption has been to high and must be ratcheted down to a new level as part of the long-run adjustment process. This is part of what Robert Reich is worried about, Krugman too.)
Thus, if everything goes right, the tax cut will trickle down to the unemployed workers, but they aren't helped directly by, say, a payroll tax cut. This doesn't have to be the case, it would be possible to target a tax rebate or other program directly at the unemployed workers, but the point is that many tax proposals rely upon the hope that first, the money will be spent instead of saved, and that second, it will then trickle down to help the unemployed. These policies might work, but if we do pursue tax instead of government spending options, my preference would be to target the transfer payments directly at the unemployed workers. More generally, though, I prefer simply putting them to work directly through fiscal policy rather than hoping they'll find employment through a tax cut, even more so when there are high value infrastructure projects that can be used to provide the employment.


















I gotta save this. Talk about comprehensive arguments. Amidst this sterling panel, you really communicate to me .
Thank you. Of course I will have to read this five times to get the real point.
December 16, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think the crowding out argument holds except in exceptional times (like in the middle of WWII).
I think it is an excuse dreamed up by the free marketeers so that their opposition to government spending (any spending except police and military) can be justified.
Even in the middle of WWII with a huge number of men out of the civilian workforce it was possible to draw people into the workforce that hadn't been in it before - Rosie the Riveter. In periods of "full employment" there are still under employed people and those who have chosen not to work, but might be induced back into the work force if the incentives were high enough.
Remember a goodly number of people in this country are in prison, out of the workforce, mostly, but certainly able to do more if our punishment system wasn't so draconian.
There might be an argument about crowding out of capital, but this also assumes that the US is a closed system and wouldn't be able to attract foreign investment. Obviously this isn't true and hasn't been for a long time. Even before WWII there were many foreign owned firms in the US.
Wise government spending has always been a good idea. Only government can "afford" to do things without a profit motive. It is also the moral thing to do, government is supposed to provide the essential services to the population, that's why it exists.
December 16, 2008 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you so much Mark for this full explanation! It gives a plausible response to many of the questions I've wondered about, and directly addresses the "helicopter drop" proposal.
I think many of those who support huge tax rebates over fiscal pump priming have a Hayekian belief that letting lots of people spend their marginal $10,000 handout on the marginal thing that they want is a more effective growth driver than having government spend money on the marginal investment/construction projects it deems useful.
How would you alleviate the concerns of a Hayekian who is concerned that fiscal policy might be much less effective at stimulating growth than letting 300 million people make decisions with handed out money?
December 16, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am not a professional and don't have a particular view on the crowding-out-in-a-liquidity-trap issue, but I wanted to address Mr. Thoma's bridge-building example, which is related.
Put simply, if bluntly, my concern is this: Unemployed people aren't ciphers. In a recession, the number of unemployed persons grows, and as a result of the greater prevalence and number of qualified persons for employment, wages (the price level of labor) fall (or, more generally, fails to rise at the long run level of productivity growth + inflation), and the market clears again. That's the Econ 101 model.
If you (Government) hire those workers to build a bridge, you are artificially supporting wages not only for those workers you hire, but in the broader economy. The supply of unemployed workers is a critical factor in determining the willingness of workers (unemployed or otherwise) to moderate their wage demands.
By artificially supporting the price of labor, the recession would thereby be extended in the private economy (even though GDP might be higher due to the production of the bridge).
I see no reason why the above example shouldn't also apply to a money market in the context of "crowding out", although I am prepared to defer to more educated winds.
In my view, the goal of government policy should be the encouragement of private economic growth (that is, national income less "G"). This does not mean fiscal policy cannot be helpful in bad economic times, but we should confuse government spending with productive activity.
December 16, 2008 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with your assertion that government/infrastructure spending will apply upward pressure on wages. But is that always a bad thing for the economy? Henry Ford was able to pay higher wages because his workers were more productive. Over the last decade, American workers have increased productivity, but have not received a share of that increase - and where has that gotten us? Recession/Depression.
If the government spending increases wages beyond the productivity of the employees it could drive some out of business. But if it only forces business to share the increased productivity - then you've created a larger (richer) market place.
December 16, 2008 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
To MCROse68:
I'm not trying to say that supporting wages isn't a good idea "ever". But if there was evr a time you wouldn't want to do it, it would be in the middle of a potentially deflationary recession.
If you think government spending is more productive than private investment spending (and in the case of building a bridge this might at least be possible, if nearly impossible to calculate), then hiring those workers might be a net benefit.
But this would still "crowd out" private hiring by supporting wages.
December 17, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
This was an excellent piece. Here is one aspect of the government "public works" argument that I have not seen discussed. The argument is that it does not matter whether the spending is "efficient" - any spending would do. But isn't there an argument to be made that if we pick projects that will require spending at some future point (e.g. a bridge MUST be replaced at some future point) then we are simply accelerating future spending - bringing it to the present. And while we create debt today, we should be reducing future spending. That spending should be available to pay the debt incurred today. (Granted, this might assume fiscal responsibility that we have not seen.) But, in theory, the quality of the spending should matter. Because if we spend now on REQUIRED future capital project then, in the future, that money should be available to pay down the debt incurred to accelerate the spending to today. This is no different that what occurs in a capital intensive business, such as wireless telecom. I can build new cell site towers in the outlying area of a city. There is no population there yet. But in 5 years there will be. I incur debt, do the build and have excess capacity. But this is money the company would be required to spend in five years. I have just moved the spending forward and funded it with debt. In five years, my capital budget needs to be lower and, instead of spending on capital I will lower my company debt. This seems to be the strongest argument for the government going into debt and spending on useful capital projects.
December 16, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Depends upon what you're "crowding out" and where.
Wouldn't it be more efficient to build that bridge in Guangdong Province?
Just asking.
December 16, 2008 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dr. Thoma directs attention to the ESSENTIAL POINT, which unfortunately I do not altogether understand:
" 'Green government fiscal policy doesn't create jobs in the long run.' That may or may not be true, but it misses the essential point. Green fiscal policy may not have any impact in the long-run, but we are concerned with stabilization, not growth, and it may very well create jobs and stabilize the economy in the short-run. "
What does ‘stabilize’ mean, exactly?
Tell me that my worries are needless when I worry about a notion of ‘stability’ that would be only a liberal counterblast to the magical ‘equilibrium’ in which all the OnePercenters of the 1930's piously believed. What if the present condition of the economy is stable enough to last fifty or a hundred years? Why shouldn't the equilibrium be stable just as it is this evening -- apart from the entirely unscientific fact that human beings would not much like it?
There has been a little bit of progress detectable in eighty years insofar as ‘stabilization’ sounds as if it requires that we actually DO something and not just stand here, but what is it that should be done?
If, perchance, it does not much matter what we do, as long as we do something, why not say that expressly?
Merry days.
December 16, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is it really different now?
Isn't is possible that a certain amount of governmment spending--and associated redistributive policy--is always necessary for a modern, high-productivity society to thrive without crashing?
That it's the only way to maintain consumer demand (and indirectly, investment) given high and ever-more-rapidly rising productivity, and the associated, inevitable devaluation of labor?
That the difference now is a matter of degree, and catchup?
That the extraordinary amounts required now--like those doled out grudgingly starting in '32, and spectacularly in WWII--are compensating for insufficient amounts in the (in this case 28) years leading up to the crash?
Is it a coincidence that every modern, prosperous country of any size taxes and spends between 28% and 50% of GDP? (Korea is the one exception--a country I know exactly nothing about.)
That 28% is the U.S. (The EU15 taxes 40% on average and 32% or more in every country, with the same long-term growth in GDP per capita, and far higher stability).
Have we been tipping, or have we tipped, off the botto edge, by not providing the government spending (and taxing) that a modern economy requires? And are taking all those responsible countries with us?
Is it coincidental that the U.S. has been the epicenter of both of the aforementioned crashes, in both cases following periods where government, redistribution, and wages versus profits as a share of GDP were all at historical lows?
Is it a coincidence that all those prosperous countries have come to tax and spend at that high level?
Or is a darwinian explanation more convincing: that countries which fail to do so...don't become (or stay) prosperous?
December 16, 2008 9:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're getting at what bothers me. First point to consider is that any "crowding out" by government expenditure is a very short term phenomenon.
Even in boom times there is a priority of projects with some more important that others. There are also some projects that have longer term growth potential and some that are just the last buggy whip manufacturer working overtime to provide buggy whips before the entire market disappears. Then, underlying that, there are long-term maintenance projects like repairing bridges that do not directly provide a ROI.
Educating and providing health care to children is one of those maintenance functions. In the short term is has no positive return on investment. It is just cost. But Those functions are critical to long term health of the economy. Yet they "crowd out" resources that the private economy could use in the short term.
The very flexibility of private markets makes them generally unsuitable vehicles for setting a long term plan for an economy and accomplishing it. Why have other nations passed up the US in providing broadband to their population? Because their governments have recognized that as a long term investment to permit economic growth and our government has ignored it, leaving it to the private sector. The private sector has worked really hard to get further profit out of the overbuilt broadband infrastructure left over from the dot com boom and avoided adding to that infrastructure.
During boom times there remains a certain percentage of joint infrastructure maintenance that should be done, and if you are measuring them by annual or quarterly ROI those functions will themselves be crowded out by private sector profit making functions. Then there are long term economic plans that need to be spent on. We generally do that as part of the US military budget since ROI is never a restriction on military spending. Our entire aeronautical industry is based on military spending for that reason.
December 17, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
The above post suddenly just posted on me. I wasn't finished.
My point is that I can't see the "crowding out" argument. It doesn't take account of the real priorities at any given time. Depending on whether we are in boom or bust, there are still priorities for individual projects, and some critical projects, both short term and long term, cannot be measured using market-based short term ROI measurements.
The only difference that occurs in Depression times is that there are a lot of slack labor and capital resources available for long term projects and infrastructure that otherwise wouldn't be high enough on the list of priorities to get worked on. In boom times the government has to take resources and labor away from short-term profit-making projects. In Depression times, government appears to be the only organization capable of connecting labor and resources to needed projects. Those projects need to be either infrastructure or long-term research/planing/demonstration projects that might create all new industries. If the latter efforts fail, no loss. Those were uncertain risky projects that still provided work and income until they failed and the might have turned out better. Enough efforts and some will.
I am not writing this clearly, which probably reflects my confusion. Sorry.
December 17, 2008 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
We're going to get some savings from the end products green jobs create in energy and elsewhere. Modernizing the economy, from the electrical grid to broadband buildout will provide sorely lacking confidence for the future, that a sustainable economy is possible.
Crowding out private investment right now isn't a problem as no one is lending and few want or can afford to borrow. Deflation is more of a danger than inflation these days.
Everybody likes a tax break. But as soon as you propose it for those who really need it and will spend it the Republicans will gin up their class
warfare arguments against it. Besides government can't survive without income any better than any other entity.
December 16, 2008 11:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
It seems worth pointing out that infrastructure spending can create wealth rather directly, not just indirectly as with the bridge example (or roads, or port facilities...).
Electric infrastructure comes to mind. The Hoover Dam, the Tennessee Valley Authority Dams, municipal electric utilities.. these are publicly financed and owned facilities that generate electric power. In large part, financing came from bonds, and ongoing operating costs are paid for by electric users - at rates averaging 18% (at least last time I looked) lower than rates from private electric utilities. And communities that own their own electric utilities seem to roll some of the income into their general funds, resulting in lower taxes. Seems to me a rather good investment of public dollars, with direct economic benefit to all concerned (contractors, employees, bondholders, ratepayers, local taxpayers).
December 17, 2008 9:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Prof. Thoma's argument would only seem to deal with half the equation. True, in a situation where there is significant involuntary unemployment, government spending could provide jobs for the unemployed and this wouldn't require it to bid away workers from the private sector. But the stimulus also has to be paid for, and this means either printing more money, taxing more, or borrowing more. The former option puts us back in the realm of monetary policy, and the second and third options each have their own potential to crowd out private investment.
I'm not saying one couldn't come up with an argument about how, in Depression Economics Land, these crowding out effects won't occur. The fact that Prof. Thoma doesn't address the problem, however, means that his post is, at best, incomplete.
December 17, 2008 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't "boosting employment" a secondary effect of fiscal policy (deficit spending) whose primary intentional effect is monetary in/reflation?
December 17, 2008 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't "boosting employment" a secondary effect of fiscal policy (deficit spending) whose primary intentional effect is monetary in/reflation?
Could be, though I would think if that were the goal tax rebates would be preferable to infrastructure spending, as the money would then be more widely dispersed throughout the economy.
December 17, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Conservatives (Republicans) normally don't mind claiming that military spending is beneficial to the economy and that it's a good idea to cut taxes in times of full employment (Bush's original tax cuts were of this nature). Different rules apply when the fat cats are not getting an immediate cut.
Half of the idea of Keynesian economics is that public investment can counteract a lack of private investment in bad times - it is really stupid to ignore the difference between good and bad times in this regard. What is also stupid is to ignore the other half - government taxes and regulation must prevent private overexpansion in good times. As long as all expansion is considered good, we will have boom and bust cycles.
December 17, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Private investment and employment were crowded out in WW II. Did this deal a crippling long-term blow to the economy? There were some adjustment problems post-war, but obviously the economy was a lot better after the war than before.
Sometimes it helps to look at events in the real world instead of hypothetical economist-land.
December 17, 2008 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Infrastructure spending is certainly the best way to spend government money. And my above comments do not necessarily mean I think it's a bad idea in a recession (or otherwise). However, two things:
1. "Green" spending is by its nature less productive than other infrastructure spending. It's just infrastructure spending with an ideological constraint. Imagine, say, "Christian" infrastructure spending. Basically the same thing. Every "Green Collar" job is supported by costs imposed on other industries, preventing them from hiring, expanding, etc.
2. Just because "crowding out" isn't the predominant effect of government spending isn't a reason to pretend it doesn't exist. And just because the government, and banks, can borrow at 0% doesn't mean everyone can.
December 17, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not sure you can make a blanket statement that "green spending" is less productive than other infrastructure. In some cases it's probably more productive.
Examples that come to mind:
- an airport can make it easier to export jobs, as can network infrastructure
- windmills, or dams, or a smart electric grid can should increase energy efficiency and substitute local resources for imported oil - that would seem to increase productivity
December 17, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to agree with you on most points, however, what if the widgets are imported from say, China? Even though it might make sense from a trade standpoint (to insure the other countries will continue to loan us money), what we seriously need right now doesn't stop with infrastructure building-we've got to restore our manufacturing base and that's going to require tariffs. -Also: We should quickly start thinking out of the box here-if we're going to dump a bunch of borrowed tax money on this (& I agree we need to) why can't we also
-Stop the war on drugs, legalize & tax pot, and let tobacco farmers switch to pot.
-Use hemp instead of corn for ethanol; it contains more energy.
-Release everyone incarcerated on drug use charges (there's $10 Billion savings) & offer them 1/2 way employment on some of the infrastructure projects.
-Fund private manufacture of cutting edge solar panels & provide low rate federal financing to homeowners.
-Provide substantial incentives to those who start their own companies, especially if the MAKE something
December 17, 2008 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Couple folks I know say what they'd like to MAKE is whoopee.
And they don't need no damn incentives -- just legalize pot!
December 17, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Huh?
1. The "Progressive Fallacy" rears its head again. Making things is not inherently "better" than providing services. Manufacturing is not a necessity for a healthy economy. There is never a particular need to support any sector of the economy for economic purposes (obviously, one might like to support missile-builders if the government wants missiles, but nobody but the government is allowed to buy them anyway, so this usually doesn't come up).
2. Oddly enough, while cutting back on drug interdiction spending would be a decent way to plug a small part of our government deficit, legalizing pot is pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. And I for one don't want the drug users back on the street; if they were willing to break the law, they can't be trusted.
3. Let's say this again, just for posterity:
"There's nothing special about manufacturing."
December 18, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
The reason "green" infrastructure spending is less efficient than other infrastructure spending is that if it was efficient, we'd be doing it anyway.
If wind farms and solar cells were cost effective substitutes for coal fired power plants, we'd already get our electricity that way; we wouldn't need a "green" initiative.
The only time you call something "green" is when you're doing it even though it's more expensive than (a) Not doing it (It's more expensive to install stack scrubbers than not). (b) Doing it differently (It's more expensive to build wind farms than coal plants).
An airport isn't green infrastructure spending, it's just infrastructure spending; I'm all for building airports. I am less sure about pricey wind turbines.
December 18, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
[If you (Government) hire those workers to build a bridge, you are artificially supporting wages not only for those workers you hire, but in the broader economy. The supply of unemployed workers is a critical factor in determining the willingness of workers (unemployed or otherwise) to moderate their wage demands.]
This approach ignores political realities. Republicans support lower wages and union busting. Perhaps this is why they are losing elections?
Any economic system, or any system for that matter, will survive only if it meets the needs of the people. This is particularly true with democratic governments, but the French and Russian revolutions also show that the needs of the people cannot be ignored indefinitely.
If you have an economic system where 10% of the people prosper, but 90% get screwed, why should that 90% continue to support that system? Why shouldn't they replace it with a system which gives them a larger piece of the pie?
An argument that workers should make less money may sound fine, unless you are one of the workers.
December 18, 2008 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Perhaps this is why they are losing elections?"
The Republicans are losing elections because they have involved the country in an expensive and unpopular war, and happen to be in power during a downturn. No more, no less. Economic ideology doesn't drive eletion returns; voters don't understand it anyway.
"If you have an economic system where 10% of the people prosper, but 90% get screwed, why should that 90% continue to support that system?"
Obviously not because it benefits them. People often support things that don't.
"Why shouldn't they replace it with a system which gives them a larger piece of the pie?"
The glib answer is, "Any other system shrinks the whole pie." The real answer is "Because they don't have that much imagination and because the current system has institutional and historical legitimacy." Workers can't adequately weigh pies anyway; economic arguments don't work as well as cultural-historical arguments at the ballot box.
"An argument that workers should make less money may sound fine, unless you are one of the workers."
Communications and transportation technology has made it possible for workers in other countries to compete with Americans. This has made them richer and unskilled American labor poorer. This is neither good nor evil; it's technology. For some time now, America has been trying to pretend that other forces (Evil Capitalists, Republicans, Evil Foreigners) were behind it. But that isn't the case. It's the used Boeings, ISO containers, and fiber optic pipes, not the people, who have reduced the share of labor in the United States (and raised it elsewhere).
The goal should not be to turn back the clock, make more things, and try to be more like China. The goal should be to educate more people, generate more human capital, and provide goods and services that China can't provide as efficiently.
In the 21st Century, making things is what poor people do, and there is nothing we can do to change that.
We can decide to do something else, something that we retain a comparative advantage at. My suggestion? Free citizenship for all foreigners getting advanced degrees (and their families), improved public education, and reduced tax burdens.
December 18, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unexpectedly, the crash of the US economy has begun. Not only is it bad for Americans, but lousy U.S. economy hits the whole world hard. The U.S. bailout measures are good for everyone worldwide, if the cash advances being made work like they're intended to. However, some are insisting that the bailout is going to wreck the budget and make the deficit explode. Obama and others insist there will be cuts made that will make up for it. Regardless, let us hope that the short term loans we're making will help to bring back the U.S. economy.
April 17, 2009 1:22 AM | Reply | Permalink