Not by any means the end ...

At the end of this discussion on Avraham Burg's book, The Holocaust is Over We Must Rise from the Ashes, we are reminded just how volatile the discussion is around Israel and its survival. We also see that so many want to have and participate in such a discussion. Still the situation remains.
In John Mearsheimer's posting, "Why Isn't Burg's Book a Bestseller?," he asks many pertinent questions about why this is. One referring to American Jews, "Why don't they see that Israel is in serious trouble and that the situation is likely to get worse, not better?" They are out there on 'J Street' as Jeremy Ben-Ami says and in Brit Tzedek v'Shalom, both definitely breaking ground. So the change is beginning and to Burg's credit, he is telling us that it is urgent.
Everyone must continue to talk and question. Without questioning, and looking at possibilities and opportunities, how do we change, evolve from violence or learn? How can policy be formed to help instead of hinder all of our interests? While we, in this case and as Burg says, help Israel move away from "serious trouble."
As someone who has spent years working with both Israelis and Palestinians, I do see progress, but unfortunately one step forward is often followed by a hundred steps back. Palestinians continue destructive behavior and Israelis, as Burg points out, continue to "...have contempt for the Palestinians and do not trust them..." I believe in this dialogue, we have definitely pointed out many of the reasons why this is so. The bottom line all to often seems to be trust. Neither side trusts the other nor do they trust those on the outside.
Although Obama's new national security advisor to be, Jim Jones, worked on improving Israel's security in Jenin and Hebron, he is still talked about in many Israelis newspapers and blogs with suspicion. Even a defense official, Amost Gilad, noted in The Jerusalem Post last month that, "there's certainly an improvement," in security thanks to Jones' work, but harsh words of 'Israeli destruction' and wariness persist around his appointment.
Hillary Clinton too, who tirelessly demonstrated her support for Israel during her tenure in the Senate, is also being looked at with distrust because now it is feared that she will work for two States. I hope that she will for everyone's sake.
Jones was chosen for many reasons, but one is because he is brilliant at helping people work together. He gives them voice and they learn to move toward trust. In any conflict this is, not the end, but must begin as the first step.
Of course all of this is up to the parties and the people. And all need to step up to the plate and do their part. One sided, unilateral or independent initiatives never work.
Avraham began this conversation by saying, "there is a feeling, in all of these places (Jerusalem, Milan, New York, Munich, Washington), that a train is about to depart from a station." That train is to moving beyond, beyond violence, segregation and discrimination and toward a better world for all.
Jeremy Ben-Ami's statement supports this. "[American Jewish Groups] are also voting for change, contributing, taking action, and changing our political landscape to genuinely represent the values of our community. And as our movement continues to grow, we can and we will take back the pro-Israel movement to truly advocate for Israel and America's best interests." I would include here the interests of the Palestinians and Israel's neighbors -- a comprehensive instead of partial security is necessary for a sustainable future.
With this discussion, the hope, the emotions and the anger, all of these thoughtful entries tell us, that although the journey is nothing less than tumultuous, we are on our way.















. . . how volatile the discussion is around Israel and its survival.
God! Jews are tiresome!
Survival? For all I care they can all come and live in the U.S. Just shut up about it.
December 12, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't buy that Israel is in any serious trouble at all. Actually, the Jews are in the best shape they've ever been in their 5,000 or so years of history. The wealthiest and most prosperous ever, the largest population ever, the greatest amount of arms ever, a well-organized global network of Jews that acts to protect Jews all over the world from the never-ending anti-Semitism, excellent universities, highest levels of education ever by far, the most artists working ever, etc., etc. Global opinion is behind them, the delusions of a small group notwithstanding. (Compare the number of countries that recognize Israel with the number that recognize Palestine. Even the Arab countries won't let the Palestinians come there.) Sure, there are threats, but when has there ever been a time when the Jews weren't being threatened? The current period is one of the very few, if not the only one, when Jews actually have the upper hand over their opponents. Israel's survival certainly isn't being threatened at all. There aren't any countries in the area that can pose a serious military threat to them. The collapse of the US isn't going to affect them that much, despite what many people think. Israel has survived for 3,000 years without American support, and there's no reason they can't survive another 3,000. Things are basically pretty good, all they need to do is stand tight.
December 12, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Palestinians continue destructive behavior and Israelis, as Burg points out, continue to "...have contempt for the Palestinians and do not trust them...""
That's one way to frame it.
December 12, 2008 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
As an Israeli reader of TPM and its blogs, I am often surprised not only by the intense interest in this area, but also about the optimism of many peace activists, which is almost contradictory to the impressions of local activists. As sad as this may be, I'm afraid that the opportunity for reconciliation and peace has passed. One can discuss the reasons for that until tomorrow, but the fact is that among both Palestinians and Israelis no one talks about a peace agreement anymore. Agreement can only be forced from the outside, as both Israel and the Palestinians are dependent on outside support, but it's very hard to envision a force that could push American millionaire Jews, Saudi politicians, Radical Evangelists and European peace activists in the same direction. This is not like the case of Northern Ireland - the barriers are not only between two suspicious and scarred people, but also between an army of international agents that are deeply invested in this area and will make sure to sabotage any solution. So if Obama and his team are as smart as media say they are, they will do exactly as Bush did, and just stay away from this area, while paying the standard lip service about wanting peace, because nothing will come out of their efforts anyway.
December 15, 2008 1:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think you're right Adenauer, even though I strongly support peace based on the '67 boarders and a symbolic right of return for a few thousand Palestinians.
The international agents set to sabotage any solution are also in the Obama administration. If Obama did push hard for serious Israeli concessions, who's to say Hillary and Rahm wouldn't form a secret alliance to sabotage Obama, and set up a Clinton run in 2012, or make her look like a more obvious choice and a change in 2016?
Chances are, the Obama administration is as smart as the Bush administration, and there will be a very timely event that will make their "noble" efforts at peace irrelevant. It's probably already planned.
December 15, 2008 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink