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Avraham Burg's book is great and important, no doubt. His idea that Israel pardoned Germany too quickly and shifted the rage to Arabs is significant. His identification of the neocons as powerful Jewish proponents of the Iraq war is one that liberal American Jews have too long resisted. His impatience with Jewish ethnocentrism and his tolerance of intermarriage will also resonate. Jews will discuss this book for a long time. That's mostly a Jewish conversation.

Here's the American one. Last week in NY, Burg said that American Jews compose a "semi-autonomous" structure of Zionism, giving support to the Jewish state. I don't want that role, I never have. Douglas Feith and Elliott Abrams did, and look where our foreign policy is in the Middle East. Today Richard Falk, the special rapporteur for the UN in Gaza, states that the U.S. is complicit in Israel's "massive" violations of the Geneva Conventions that threaten wide famine and disease in the Palestinian population and that breed extremism. The international outrage over these conditions, Falk says, recalls the outrage over apartheid 20 years back. This is the true context for Burg's revelations; and yes the Obama train is leaving the station--which is to say that my country, having elected a black president, will be paying more attention, at last, to Israel's grievous and shocking treatment of a minority.


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This is the true context for Burg's revelations, and yes the Obama train is leaving the station--which is to say that my country will be paying more attention, at last, to Israel's grievous treatment of a minority.

One can always hope. But I see not the slightest evidence, as of yet, that this statement is actually true. Instead, it appears to me that Obama spent much effort in his primary camapign, and continuing into the general election campaign, in an entirely one-sided and over-the-top efforts to "reassure" the American Jewish community that he was no less a fanatic defender of Israel than any of the other top candidates and prominent elected politicians.

I am lead to believe, based on some of his statements and associations prior to running for President, that Obama has lodged somewhere in the back of his brain some latent sympathies for a few Palestinians and the injustices done to them. However, those intimations of insight were all submerged fairly quickly during the election campaign, and Obama seems now to have reassured and reassured and reassured all the way to mainstream ultra-Zionist respectability, and a perpetuation of US paralysis in the Near East. Certainly one can't argue that any of his appointments so far has given us reason to think he has any intentions of taking even the slightest risks in breaking out of US political orthodoxy on the Israeli-Palestinian question.

Hillary Clinton? Rahm Emanuel? Safe, safe.

Usually I try to maintain my political realism and consequent state of grumbling, peevish melancholy where the Israel-Palestinian conflict is concerned. I try not to get temperamental and angry. But you know one thing that has increasingly pissed me off lately? What happened to Jimmy Carter. Carter is one of the most decent, honest and compassionate people we have ever had in public life, a man of whom millions of Democrats are very proud. But it appears to me that he has been effectively sidelined and blacklisted by the likes of Alan Dershowitz for daring to suggest that what look like apartheid conditions in the occupied territories might actually be apartheid conditions. It also appears to me that the Obama campaign went along with this blacklisting. And that is UTTERLY SHAMEFUL. It really makes me MAD.

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I like Tony Judt's observation: In history of the world, the Palestinians are the only people who while living under an illegalOccupation are sanctioned--and the Occupiers are rewarded. Notice the EU is going to upgrade ties to Israel with no linkage to the peace process. And Gaza, ah Gaza: Israel has "left" but the Palestinians can't even travel out to sea.

This is why Arab moderation is doomed. It assumes justice. But in the West, human life is only worth what a person has or can offer. And the Palestinians have nothing. And, with the seige, they can offer nothing.

What better demonstration of the relative value of human life is there than Obama's visit to the "suffering" city of Sderot, but not a mention of the million plus Palestinians being starved and stunted by the seige.

In such a world, how can any just person consider the word "moderate" a compliment?

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Phil Weis, like our own MJ, is a real optimist. Not me, but I hope they are right. In any case, this is another article for TPM that seems to be mark a transition. When the Mearsheimer and Walt article came out, discussion of its main point was quite muted in the main articles and when referenced in the comments, elicited very strong Zionist objections. And now its main point is being casually mentioned -- namely that there is a powerful Jewish lobby that has pushed the US into positions in the ME that are not only not in America's interest but only in the interests of an expansionists Israeli state that is ultimately working against Israel's real interest as well. On the eve of the Iraq war I made a similar statement and was denounced in public as an antisemite by a formerly respected colleague. That would not happen today.

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Yes, but when one puts the term "powerful Jewish lobby" in play, is the form of that "lobby" one is intending to bring to mind a combination, a faction, or a cabal.

It does make a difference, yes?

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I consider AIPAC to be a powerful pro-Israel lobby rather than a "powerful Jewish lobby".

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And I consider Christians United for Israel, i.e., John Hagee's lobby, the intellectual descendant of those 19 Century societies that wanted to colonize Freed Slaves in Africa or Central America.

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Interesting analogy. I'll need to give it some thought. I wish those C.U.F.I. people would go ahead and resettle in 'The Holy Land'. We should pay Israel handsomely to take them in!

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Since they all want to be missionaries wouldn't it be better to put them to work in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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I've been told that hundreds of missionaries are at work in those two countries right now. I am trying to wrap my head around that image: After the US military has killed thousands of their fellow citizens (tribesmen), some American Jesus dude shows up and wants to talk about the Prince of Peace. Imagine some Iman approaching us after 9/11 or some Shinto priest after Pearl Harbour. It boggles the mind.

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I hope you're right Phillip, but Emanuel, Lieberman, Clinton, and Biden all have outstanding pro AIPAC track records.

At the very least, distractions will be created to enable the status quo to continue. Note Lieberman, McCain, and Lindsay Graham all warning Pakistan that the US will take action if India doesn't.

Then there's this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWpWc_suPWo

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[...] my country, having elected a black president, will be paying more attention, at last, to Israel's grievous and shocking treatment of a minority.
Is there any public evidence for this at all? Haven't all his more recent statements leaned pro-Israel? Am I missing something, or are you just wishcasting?
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We're just wishcasting.

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Our black president will also be enacting a windfall profit tax for oil companies, and rolling back Bush's tax cuts for the rich. Or not.

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Last spring, I was visiting Paris from my home in Beirut. It just so happened that Israel was the country being showcased in the annual book fair, which meant that I was able to hear Amos Oz and David Grossman speak. It also meant that there were a lot of Israeli books for sale.

I had looked for Burg's book in English before but it hadn't been released yet. I was surprised, then, to see that it had already been released in French. Does anyone know why it was released 9 months earlier in French than in English?

Also, the title is very different: "Vaincre Hitler: Pour un judaïsme plus humaniste et universaliste," which translates to "Defeating Hitler: For a more humanist and universal Judaism." I don't know about the subtitle, but the main title is the same as the original Hebrew. Does anyone have a story about the difference in the English title?

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. His idea that Israel pardoned Germany too quickly

Excuse me, but what did Germany do to Israel? Wasn't the Third Reich gone by the time Israel was created? In the meantime, the Nazis had no problem with the Zionists.

Please do not conflate "Israel" with "the Jews"
you are starting your post with a dishonesty in the first sentence.

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It is important for everyone reading the comments about Burg's book here at TPM to remember that, just as Phil Weiss is a marginal player in the American Jewish community, Burg is a marginal player in Israel. He has no following in Israel. Most Israelis, including those on the Left, view him as an unprincipled, greedy, deceitful politician who never would have been heard of if he had not been the son of a prominent religious politician. The fact that he wears a kippah and turned to post-Zionism or anti-Zionism and joined the Labor Party made him a curiosity piece. He was pushed ahead in the Labor party because it was believed, wrongly, that he would attract religious voters from the Right-wing camp. After his departure from politics, realizing that his future was behind him, he decided to go into one of the favorite pastimes of former politicians...influence peddling, where he hooked up with some figures from organized crime and they tried to get their hands on a government-owned defense company for far less than it was actually worth. The deal almost went through, but fortunately, the workers at the plant went to the State Controllers who intervened and stopped the sale. Burg's connections with the organized crime figures was investigated, but they came to the conclusion that "he didn't know about them". He also got involved in an unseemly fight to have a chauffeur-driven car provided to him for life because of his role as head of the Jewish Agency (which is part of his deceit because as a post-or-anti-Zionist he had no business running an organization whose whole purpose he ideologically rejects). He lost the case but he still goes around whining about how he "deserves" this chauffer-driven car.
Finally, there was his abortive attempt to become the head of the Labor Party in 2001. A vote was held and he came in first, ahead of Benyamin Ben-Eliezer. It turns out that there was massive ballot-box stuffing that put Burg over the top. A revote was held and he lost. This was the beginning of his downfall.

It is important that these facts about Burg be kept in mind when reading the rantings of this self-appointed "prophet".

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I don't see any "self-appointed prophet(s)" here. I see a discussion about a provocative book. After this discussion, I certainly plan on reading it.

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which is to say that my country, having elected a black president, will be paying more attention, at last, to Israel's grievous and shocking treatment of a minority.

I'll have to wait to see this. Just as I will wait to see if his administration will form a cohesive policy for the countries on the African continent. I don't have your faith. I do hope, however.

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