Will Henry Paulson Sink Detroit?
Henry Paulson's main claim to fame is getting just about everything wrong in his tenure as Treasury secretary. However, he now stands to gain lasting notoriety as the person who destroyed the domestic U.S. auto industry, and the economies of the Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana along with them.
The story is that the big three automakers are struggling with record sales declines. This collapse in car sales in turn is the fallout from the collapse of the Greenspan-Bernanke housing bubble. While the domestic automakers have been hit hardest, all manufacturers have seen sharp drops in sales. Toyota's sales were down 23.0 percent compared with its year ago levels. Honda's sales were down 25.2 percent, and Nissan's sales fell 33.0 percent.
These huge plunges in year over year sales by the world's top car manufacturers can't be blamed on the industry. Responsibility for this plunge lies with Mr. Paulson and other economic policy makers, and their Wall Street friends.
The basic arithmetic is simple. General Motors saw its sales fall by 45 percent compared to its year ago levels. That means its revenue has been cut nearly in half. While it has made some reductions in employment and can ease back its production, there is no way it can reduce its expenses by the same amount. Many of its expenses, like interest costs, property taxes, and health insurance for retirees are largely fixed independent of short-term fluctuations in output.
As a result General Motors is now losing close to $2 billion a month. At this rate, it will burn through its capital in around 2 months and be forced into bankruptcy. Chrysler and Ford are in somewhat better shape, but the basic story is the same. Furthermore, the fallout from a GM bankruptcy could sink Chrysler and Ford as well, as common suppliers shut down and credit for the industry vanishes and customers flee to manufacturers with longer life expectancies.
There have been analysts, presumably including Henry Paulson, who think that bankruptcy is a reasonable solution for the auto industry. This is yet another of Mr. Paulson's famous mistakes. (Remember, this guy missed the housing bubble completely, thought its impact would be small when it burst, didn't see a problem with letting Lehman Brothers fail, and thought the TARP [RIP] was a good idea.)
Bankruptcy would allow GM, Ford and Chrysler to more quickly cut back their bloated dealer networks and adjust their car lines with current market demand, as its proponents claim. Bankruptcy would also void union contracts, which will thrill the millionaire bankers by forcing workers earning $57,000 a year to take pay cuts. And, all those lazy retirees will see the health care benefits that they worked for taken away.
That's the good part. Realistically, bankruptcy is likely to kill all three manufacturers, taking down much of the region's economy with them.
First, some folks may recall the credit crunch. Lenders are extremely reluctant to take risks. In the absence of government guarantees, it is unlikely that any banks will step forward to provide GM and the others the money they need to keep operating in bankruptcy. In other words, bankruptcy is very likely to mean a complete shutdown of the Big Three.
Let's say that the anti-bailout crowd suddenly gets a soft spot and decides to guarantee loans to the firms operating under bankruptcy protection. There is still the problem of selling cars. Customers will be very reluctant to buy cars produced by a manufacturer in bankruptcy, since they won't know if a dealer and supplier network will exist in 3 or 4 years so that they can get their car serviced and buy replacement parts.
While people don't mind flying an airline in bankruptcy, buying a car is to some extent an investment in the company. Many fewer customers will be willing to invest in a bankrupt car company.
But let's assume that the investment financing is arranged and that customers are still willing to come through the doors. The bankruptcy itself is still likely to be devastating to the economies of Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana, the three states where Big Three employment is concentrated.
Bankruptcy protects the firm from its creditors. The creditors of these firms are thousands of suppliers who are heavily concentrated in the same states. In most cases, the Big Three manufacturers were their major customers. These suppliers have already been squeezed by falling demand and lower product prices. If they cannot collect the money owed them by the Big Three, there will be a whole chain of secondary bankruptcies.
The impact in these states is potentially huge. According to the Center for Automotive Research, auto related employment accounts for almost 7 percent of total employment in Michigan, 6 percent in Indiana, and 5 percent in Ohio. Losing 7 percent of total employment in Michigan would be equivalent to losing more than 9 million jobs nationwide.
That is Mr. Paulson's latest plan for the auto industry and these three states. This will be quite a legacy.
There is one last point that should really gall just about everyone. Mr. Paulson has argued that he does not have the legal authority to use the money appropriated for TARP for bailing out the auto industry.
This claim is outrageous for two reasons. As many of us who opposed the TARP argued, it gave Paulson a virtual blank check, and that is pretty much how he has interpreted it, using the money to bail out a wide range of non-bank institutions.
The other reason why this is so galling is that this is an administration that has taken pride in claiming virtually unlimited powers in a wide range of areas, including the conduct of war and holding of prisoners without charges or trial. It would be incredible if they allow Detroit to sink because they claim that they don't have the legal authority to save it.















" However, he (Paulson) now stands to gain lasting notoriety as the person who destroyed the domestic U.S. auto industry..."
In my opinion, Paulson deserves life in prison for robbing the middle class and rewarding rich parasites. But he had nothing to do with destroying the U.S. auto industry. The U.S. auto industry has destroyed itself.
November 20, 2008 6:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
The bankruptcy itself is still likely to be devastating to the economies of Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana, the three states where Big Three employment is concentrated.
Three significant swing states that voted Obama this year. The effects of bad decisions made by Bush & Co. now will be felt mostly after Obama becomes President. Who will be blamed? Could there be some political calculations going on?
November 20, 2008 6:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks.
A perfect analysis.
November 20, 2008 7:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hope you're joking.
November 20, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for this analysis of the likely effects of bankruptcy on the auto industry, its suppliers, and the UAW. I'm pro bailout, and now more than ever. But as for Paulson's intentions, couldn't he just be betting that he has no reason to use TARP funds for this purpose, because if he hangs tough Congress will go ahead and appropriate additional funds for the auto industry bailout?
November 20, 2008 7:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whatever Paulson is thinking (or failing to think!) this is one point on which I agree with him. TARP is not meant for bailing out general business and it should not be extended as a general liability umbrella.
The OP is really awful. It's not good polemics and it's kinda trashy overall.
November 20, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
So the solution is to throw taxpayer money at them to forestall bankruptcy for a few more months? No thanks.
PS. Does the UAW still have those job-banks where people get paid for not working?
November 20, 2008 8:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
There, shooter... Fixed that for you.
Capital managers have spent the last 30 years sending work wherever the hell they feel like sending them, while the workers have been unable to find work for love or money. People are not nearly so portable as your precious capital.
There's lots of bailout money for capital management these days and precious little for those whose production in the real economy keep the it going.
November 20, 2008 8:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now hang on -- all this talk about Paulson and his Wall Street buddies is justified but it's a little comical coming from somebody who then suggests that we should give tax payer money to Bob Nardelli, the fat cat who wouldn't face his shareholders when he was at Home Depot, who tooks a huge pay package while his investors suffered and who just flew to Washington in a private jet so that he could tell lawmakers how poor and unfortunate and worthy of help he is.
The executives of the Big Three are no better than anyone on Wall Street -- these execs need to give up their salaries and corporate perks before they even ask for public money. Detroit has fat cats too. A bailout will do more for them than it will for any UAW member.
November 20, 2008 8:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dean,
From what you are saying, the main objections to bankruptcy for the big 3 are credit after bankruptcy, sales after bankruptcy, and secondary bankruptcies all around. On the other hand, the advantage of bankruptcy is that it would force the big 3 to reorganize.
All excoriations of Paulson aside (however justified) what is the solution that provides the public advantages of bankruptcy without the uncertainty? Could the government be the lender who steps in and supplies the necessary credit? This would seem to resolve some of the issues you raise but it puts the govt in a tough spot because jobs will be lost no matter what.
The auto industry problem is like the housing problem in the sense that most of us are starting to understand what needs to happen but the practical mechanisms don't exist.
What do you think the solution should look like?
November 20, 2008 8:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
As Dean explains in his blog, under Chapter 11 the companies could reorganize presumably, but would not have the capital or the credit to purchase parts from suppliers. Without the parts from suppliers, the auto companies would not be able to build cars. If they are not able to build cars they would be out of busines, more than likely.
November 20, 2008 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does Dean really spout such nonsense?
After, or as part of a "managed" or "pre-packaged" chapter 11, new loans would come in (government or otherwise) to allow business to go on, AFTER old bonds and paper have been written down and contract adjustments made.
The possibility that union contracts would be redone does not mean that the union would get totally screwed. How about moving up the 2010 contract change to Jan 2009, for instance?
November 20, 2008 8:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Americans won't buy cars from a company in bankruptcy, why will they buy cars from a company which is very publicly headed towards bankruptcy? It's unlikely that a taxpayer bailout will do anything except delay the inevitable, don't you think?
It may be fun to blame Paulson, but the U.S. auto industry has done this to itself. Yes, reorganization under bankruptcy provisions will hurt a lot of people. But a lot of people are going to be hurt no matter what. There is no getting around that. At least bankruptcy will give these companies a chance to reorganize and become competitive again. That's about all we can hope for.
November 20, 2008 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not only does Paulson have authority to buy whatever assets (including newly created ones) he wants, he also has authority to impose whatever conditions he wants on the deal. You want forced reorganization, he and his deputies can do it.
But why should they bother when they're going to be gone soon and can leave a mess that will bring the next administration crawling to them for more profitable help down the road?
November 20, 2008 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
So, tell me if I have this right--the particular nature of the bailout money allows whoever is handing it out to set the conditions?
Then how about if Paulson gets together with the Obama people to outline likely conditions, which would probably include: modified pay for executives, preservation of our heavy manufacturing capacity in the event of war, modification of the dealership structure, changes in management personnel if necessary, a place on the board for the US govt representative, retooling of the plants to get them in line with future energy policy. Then Paulson could say "Hey, here's what this thing will probably look like down the road. Are you interested, or do you want to go for conventional bankruptcy?"
Why should he bother? Because it's his effing job until January 20, and if he doesn't want to step down early, he should be all about his effing job right now. Which is what every single one of us should be telling our congresspeople to point out to him. If he wants to start doing his future job before January 20, he should quit this one now.
November 20, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why is it so important to have American Auto makers? If it is truly necessary to continue production in those industrial sectors, for whatever reason, wouldn't it be a better investment for the working class to invite let's say Toyota to fill the void - they have proven to be better at adaptation. When are we going to cut the cord. The American Auto Industry and the work force need to be reorganized - floating an unnecessary industry is void of a future vision, the same thing that got them in trouble in the first place.
Although blaming the industry for the economic woes is unfair. But it is totally fair to hold GM to task for a 45% sales drop compared to Toyota's 23%. Another point about numbers: using the CAR numbers shorts the national workforce by about 17% by BoLabor. Not a challenge about the obvious harsh regional impact possibly in store, but questioning the subjectivity of the CAR.
November 20, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good point LitYankee. It's easy to try to pad over the differences by saying "everyone's experiencing double digit declines!" So they are. And 45% is still way more than 23%...
November 20, 2008 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think I have been seeing reactions from both sides of the Big 3 Bailout like they were wearing blinders (and near sighted too). We seem to be willing to drive a non-progressive and irresponsible industry until it sputters over the cliff. Our car culture seems to be a national identifying drug.
November 20, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, it's always been a tough one for us because of the involvement of the unions... As Nathan Newman pointed out, the unions have been progressive allies. They have also been progressive foes.
The industry is what you say it is -- largely an enemy of the environment, sane energy policy, sane city planning, reigning in corporate excess.
We progressives are being told to support the UAW here. Find a way for me to do it without reward Bob Nardelli.
November 20, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nardelli or someone just like him will always be rewarded. I don't see that as a necessary evil except when public money is never felt by the worker. I might even be able to overlook the unfairness of corp. excesses if the working class were promised and provided a way to productively live. That inequality has more to do with politics than with money, as silly as that phrase sounds, I think you might understand what I mean.
The 25b that is already waiting for the industry for the development on the next technologies is one way. If Nardelli/Chrysler can't reorganize or create a spin-off, proving their viability and deserving of the incentive, then they don't. Invite another company who can put it all together and use the monetary infusion and a little Fed strong-arming to initiate a take-over or the like. Is there not anyone in the industry capable of this? Do Detroit workers care if they are making Saturn or Toyota hybrids when there community is healthy. The UAW has a better chance lobbying against a profitable company rather than one on the edge.
My concern lies in the lack of foresight by supporting some industries over the advancement of future industries and the competitive re-training of our workforce. If we want to have a low level work force, competing on a growing and ever capable market, we will have to accept a diminished life-style. Protectionist policies and workforce cultural advancement will counteract these and I think are both appropriate and necessary.
So, if you want to support the progressive ideals of the UAW (not that they are the best promoter, I don't know), you have to give the workers the most competitive and specialized industry to work in.
November 20, 2008 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
One way to ensure people like Nardelli aren't rewarded would be to raise tax rates on incomes above a few million dollars to 80%, 90%, or even 100%. With tax rates like this, companies could pay CEOs whatever exorbitant salaries they wanted--all it would do would reduce the national debt. These rates shock us now, but from the 1940s through the 1960s, top tax brackets fluctuated from a low of about 70% to a high of about 90%. Those were decades during which our economy grew at a tremendous rate, ordinary workers had rising incomes, and the US became the world's leading superpower. But that was before Joe the Plumber enlightened us to the fact that such tax rates are socialism.
November 20, 2008 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, Raven. You're absolutely right.
November 20, 2008 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maintaining American ownership of heavy manufacturing ability in the event of war is no small consideration. Nor is the concern about whether this is an attempt to bust the Auto Workers Union.
While the big 3 have mismanaged their companies, there is no reason to assume that the car will disappear overnight.
November 20, 2008 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
I follow you on those concerns. It is in the industry's best industry to have the workforce living on the edge and why such a subsidy might prolong the stagnation of that particular industrial worker. It seems illogical to support the Union by supporting its antagonist.
I no the car isn't going away, but will America be better with or without the Suburban? It seems funny to me that our home-based industrial security is seen as a risk while our country has been habitually reliant on an overseas commodity. Are we to believe that we wouldn't nationalize our industries regardless who owned them if WWIII started? It seems like a nationalistic reactionary diversion from reality. But whether it is a true scare or not, should we protect these interests by supporting failed companies rather than better adapted industrial plants.
November 20, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't forget that many GM sales depend on GMAC and GMAC is on the ropes as a lender to whom investors won't lend.
So that could account for a large part of the difference in Oct. between GM and Toyota et al.
We really need better date, auto sales from all major players over the past two years, monthly, would be nice. It would help distinguish the Sept. crisis effects, and the housing bubble collapse effects, from longer trends in vehicle purchasing.
November 20, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, excluding whatever political motivations swam through their heads, I was glad to see that the Legislature demanded that they "show them the money." I use that phrase because it seems like the Big 3 are trying to sensationalize the crisis and tie on to the finance bailout just like any good sports agent does when the next star gets a big contract.
If they want us to invest in them, and our workers' future, show us a business plan. It is probably harder to receive WIC or Educational Grants. GMAC being part of their problem just illustrates the unworthiness of their claim.
I definitely see the need for the Fed to inject a lot of money to levee the country's economy. If we have 25b to spend, finding the most progressive and technology-forward projects are the best; that is what will keep America ahead. It is interesting to see where the Representatives of Michigan's and the like dedication lies. It is always for the Car Companies (in the name of the workers). Wouldn't it be in the worker's best interest if the Reps find another industry that proves for a better future? Do they have any ingenuity or big thinking skills?
November 21, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. That's the simplest (and most simpleminded) analysis I've so far read on the subject. Do you sincerely believe that? No mention of high gas prices, growing concern for the environment, or the inevitable end of the SUV fad? If Bernanke and Greenspan hadn't screwed up, we'd all be driving Hummers. Is that how it works?
The fact is, SUV sales were already well into the process of tanking as far back as 2005. Hummer sales went from an average of 3980 per month in January 2007 to 1843 in May of 2008, while at the same time, sales of the Toyota Corolla went from 25,519 per month to 52,826. See the crossover there? Was this solely the result of the deflation of the housing bubble? Or did it have something to do with gasoline prices approaching $4.00/gallon?
In the Spring of 2008, the bottom literally fell out of the SUV market, but the Big Three, so far up their own asses and so far behind the curve that it's nearly comic, were still loading up their dealers' lots with monster trucks and urban assault vehicles.
Consider the following, from a June, 2008 article on Wired.com:
Oh, I dunno. I'd say the people buying those smaller cars expected it to happen a lot sooner than that.
It's pretty clear to me that this meltdown is entirely the fault of the out-of-touch, incompetent, morally corrupt people who run the Big Three. These idiots need to undergo the public humiliation associated with bankruptcy. If GM is burning through $2 billion a month now, does it make sense for taxpayers to toss another $25 billion into the maelstrom? No. I doesn't.
Bankruptcy and restructuring first, then assistance.
November 20, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I tale of comedy and tragedy:
About a year ago, as things were starting to unravel, a friend of my Dad's decided it was time to trade in the ol' Hummer for something a little more socially, environmentally and fiscally responsible. So he drove to a local dealer and said he was looking to buy a new car. The salesman looked at his Hummer and said, "Are you thinking about trading this in?" The guy said, "Yeah." The salesman was quiet for awhile, look at the ground. Then he said, "You might want to consider parking it next to your house and letting the air out of the tires. I hear they make really great utility sheds."
November 20, 2008 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
'These idiots need to undergo the public humiliation associated with bankruptcy."
It seems the argument is that bailout money could provide the humiliation without the uncertainty associated with an actual bankruptcy.
November 20, 2008 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is depressing news this early in the morning.
It appears that even tho the big 3 have been as badly managed as we all thought, we cant afford to let them fail. Im afraid the best suggestion I have is for President Obama not to close Guantanamo, send Paulson, Bernanke and any other likely suspects there and put the car battery on their n&ts until they tell us what the hell they are really up to. Several representatives reported being told that martial law would be imposed if the "bailout" to restore "frozen credit" was not passed. Inhofe confirmed that it was coming from Paulson if you can believe him.
November 20, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
The near consensus that GM can not compete could be correct. Or not.
In 2006 it made a profit of $2billion before extraordinary costs. And,right now, this year, one of Opel's car was voted best German car of the year.
Certainly many of us have many reasons to be dissatisfied with positions Lutz and Wagoner have taken e.g.on Global Warming. Let's not confuse that with an objective analysis of GM's competencies. And for god's sake let's not punish the GM workers on the line either because we hate Lutz and Wagoner or because we are buy into the conventional analysis of their company.
Here's an experiment . Go back and look at the GM analyses being written in 2006. If they were wrong in their often glowing description of the company then, why think they are right now?
My guess is that G&M is just another company . Neither uniquely well nor poorly run.Under ordinary circumstances perhaps we could let nature take its course and have it enter XI and then VII. It would take a terrible toll on its workers but perhaps that's not a reason for Govt intervention. But.
Dean is right in that these are not ordinary circumstances but the direct result of Bush's wildly incompetent economic management.
And quite apart from a bankruptcy's effect on the labor market , GM's debt becoming illiquid (along with that of the suppliers who also fail)will have unforcastable but certainly adverse consequences on our attempt to avoid a world wide economic collapse. It would not only be cruel, it would be stupid.
November 20, 2008 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wrote a reader blog on this, but let me sum up my take - as someone who follows Detroit closely.
1. Look at Toyota's website - here you will see that Toyota - in the US - makes mostly trucks. Nissan also makes more truck models for the US than cars - they even have a Suburban like SUV that weighs 6000lbs. Even Honda makes a full size pickup now.
2. Liberals are sticking to a story that goes back to the early '70' which is "GM-didn't-make-the-small-cars-everybody-wanted." The truth is that GM had a small car in 1960 - then a subcompact in 1971. But...
3. Small cars don't make money. Since the beginning, big, powerful vehicles have always brought in the big profit margins. Gas price swings have proven NOT to effect this. In 1975 - a major recession year and just after the Arab oil embargo, the nameplates that actually increased sales were Lincoln and Cadillac and some other luxury models while the industry suffered a downturn in general.
4. GM has played ball with CAFE standards - early on they decided to meet the standard rather than pay fines for breaking it. But all these liberally loved profitable companies - particularly luxury German makes Mercedes, BMW and Porsche (limousine liberal anyone?) - just tacked the fine onto the window sticker (the cars were so expensive already the fine machts nichts to them).
Where's the outrage about that?
5. Liberals like Tom Freidman think "innovation" will lead to the 70mpg cars he envisions as saving America - but he also believes we can use the model of consumer choice and global capitalism to push rich people into expensive cars that get great gas mileage - Chevy's "Volt" concept is said to cost $40,000 to build - yet it's an 'economy car.'
It's literally counterintuitive, and by all measures economically irrational to pay more upfront on the sticker (and consider you're paying interest on the loan) for extra economy that will pay off only by the time you want to trade in (five years).
Strictly speaking, if we want to take a taxpayer stake in GM, our first priority should be get a flagship for Cadillac to compete with the $70,000 Mercedes S class - that's if we want GM in the black.
I detect a great deal of snobbery and "familiarity breeds contempt" in the current neo-liberal line we're hearing about GM's need to go bankrupt.
In 2003, Arianna Huffington gave us "What would Jesus Drive." The notion here was that we could incorporate consumer choice into a national drive to 'do the right thing.' But consumption is inherently hedonist - Thorstein Veblen would also remind us that car choice is a mode of "invidious distinction." Car buying is not about joining hands and singing cumbaya.
Now in 2008 the rhetoric has morphed into "What would Jesus build?" But again, the fatal flaw is in this idea that one company can be forced to make 'nice' cars while Mercedes goes on being "bad." If GM is forced into making "pious" cars, then you can bet that the brige loan will be good money after bad - and consumers will stampede to luxury foreign makers - those makers who's fuel swilling performance cars don't seem to bother liberals much at all.
November 20, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a very interesting post. The cry for GM to go under is not neo-liberal but actually voiced by Sen. Ricard Shelby, conservative republican of Alabama, the ranking member of the Senate banking committee.
Ron Gettelfinger, the President of the UAW, just mentioned in his press conference that Shelby's state Alabama, the host of four major "transplant" companies including Hyundai, Toyota, Honda, and Mercedes awarded these companies over $700 million in tax concessions etc to locate there. Shelby can hardly be neutral about denying aid to the domestic auto industry. For all I know, those constituent companies may even contribute some dollars to Shelby once in a while. And Shelby is no fan of unions.
So, I would hardly call Secretary Paulson or Shelby as neo-liberals.
Your post is informed and thoughtful, unlike most GM bloggers/posters about big cars, and "I bought an Impala in 1974 that was crap, etc."
November 20, 2008 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
prmco,
Yes - maybe it's more about who's buttering who's bread in which states.
Still, I think neo-liberals are always going to run into a problem when they concieve these great collective actions that will save America - but then try to push that square peg into the round hole of consumer choice.
Look at our only really effective moment of collective action: WWII. We had price controls, rationing, 'forced saving' in war bonds and elimination of consumer goods - like cars.
But we want to take a mortally threatening challenge like global warming and deal with it through "consumer choice."
Liberals are engaging in wishful thinking when they presume that people will pay a premium for economy - it's an inherently paradoxical notion.
Even the idea that we will buy our way out of problems by consuming differently is likely another 'optimistic' American delusion.
November 20, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
We really need to get over the belief that an "American" car is more in our interest than a "Foreign" car. And it really doesn't matter what kind of car anyone makes if they can do it successfully. But the taxpayers stake is not only to make a profit, it is to promote industries that bode well for our future. Sustainable industries (profitable) are of course our best bet unless we want nationalized industries. Luxury, tank cars don't meet the best interests of our future, the next technology cars do.
GM should fail because their business model was wrong, and the model was wrong not only because of the cars they chose to make. And if Jesus worked at GM, he would be less concerned at what car they made, than righteously railing against the corporate inequalities. Bringing Jesus into the equation should really go deeper than which car is more evil, while contemplating our relationship with autos. But shallow be our name...
November 20, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Part of what made their business model wrong was that they played ball and obeyed CAFE, while Mercedes blew it off.
But the neo liberal would punish GM for playing ball with the NHTSA and EPA, while rewarding Mercedes, maker of gas swilling premium cars, for being a wily and wise purveyor of 'the cars people want' and one who makes a profit within the globalist capitalist regime.
November 20, 2008 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is always my first belief that most if not all businesses skirt the law. I do not doubt Mercedes ignored and neglected policies in their favor. I also don't think GM would be completely comfortable living in a glass house. They all have more than their share of influence over the government.
I don't see how it is a punishment, by not subsidizing GM, just because of the successful Mercedes product. Is it a punishment to a small coffee shop if they go out of business when a city doesn't give them money after a Starbucks open on the same block even with all the market influence they hold?
Remember, the entire US economy is benefiting from the US dismissal of the Kyoto treaty even though other competing economies embrace it. And who is this neo liberal that is out to destroy the auto industry? If the Mercedes fleet did not meet the EPA standards, they would not be allowed to have market access in the USA. This was a system standard created in concession to the auto industry.
November 20, 2008 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps the difference between the automakers and the FIRE companies is that financial services employees tend to be white and have received their educations at elite universities, while auto workers are more diverse and unlikely to have attended Harvard or Yale.
November 20, 2008 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
While it may be a good idea to bail out GM, that does not necessarily mean it is an ability the government has.
While it may have been a good idea to buy up the toxic assets of the various financial institutions, it certainly was not an ability the government had or could readily acquire.
The reality is that bankruptcy probably does not mean the end of GM. It means the reorganization of GM. That reorganization will be carried out by people who do this type of work in the normal course of their working life. People skilled at their work. No new hires, no new skill sets.
The importance/advantage of using existing systems is that this problem is too big to get wrong the first time around. Any government attempt to solve this problem would probably get it wrong the first time around. Then there really would be big trouble.
And to suggest that people who have bought a Chevy for the last 40 years might switch because they worry about the long term prospects of GM is about as reasonable as saying they might switch their favourite NFL team, or start saluting a different flag.
November 20, 2008 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't worry everybody -- Detroit's leeches are getting their money. Announcement at 2:30 pm.
November 20, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
MR. PAULSON, PLEASE GO ALREADY
Henry Paulson's indecisiveness and lack of leadership is playing havoc with the markets around the world. As soon as he opened his mouth Wednesday November 12, Dow Jones fell by over 6% sending shock waves around the world markets.
The $700b bailout package was approved by Congress on the premise that it will be used for buying toxic assets from banks to provide liquidity. Paulson now says he will not buy these assets. He says one thing one day and another the next, sending confusing signals. His indecision is sending shivers down the spines of Pension/Investment/Fund Managers. In these times of trouble (worse since the depression), a strong leadership and a steady hand is required. Mr. Paulson is certainly not that. Had it not been for the leadership of Mr. Gordon Brown, the British Prime Minister to inject funds into banks through preferred shares, Mr. Paulson would still have been deciding on what to do with the bailout money.
Besides, why are a couple of investment bankers from Goldman Sachs running the Treasury? Aren't the Investment Bankers the real culprits of this financial fiasco, producing fancy derivatives which are now sinking the entire financial system. They have walked away with millions of dollars from their previous jobs and are now running the same ship that they helped sink in the first place.
Mr. Paulson, please resign and go already and take the other investment bankers in Treasury with you. You will do the world a great favor by quitting. As you know the new Administration does not take over until January 20, which is two months away. If you don't resign and handover to a neutral person, it may be a little too late for the new Administration to salvage the situation.
November 20, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
You couldn't be more right. Why not send a note to the President at comments@whitehouse.gov and ask him to let Paulson and SEC Chairman Cox resign immediately, in addition to telling us what you think. I agree but can't do much about it.
November 21, 2008 6:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
WE NEED ALL THE MONEY WE CAN RAISE, TO SOLVE THIS CRISIS
Take the bailout money, and direct it towards housing, immediately, before Paulson or anyone else squanders it.
In an earlier question about how to Save the US citizen from the financial crisis the emphasis should be on the underlying cause
I strongly recommend watching the Fast Money interview with Ed Yardeni. He gets it. We need to refinance people into Fannie/Freddie with rates around 4% and encourage demand for housing….nobody talks about stimulating demand for housing….absurd!
Start the video about 10 minutes in….Ed Yardeni (brilliant guy) discusses the ONLY possible solution to the credit crisis….LOWER RATES…he wants 4%.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=928656875
An answer to a question by Erica, about the potential for lawsuits.
We shouldn’t rewrite the deals. Contract law is at the core of what separates the U.S from the rest of the world. IF somebody signs an agreement to borrow $200k at 6%, they should pay or be foreclosed on. That is the contract. Rewriting contracts will prevent investors from buying mortgages (MBS) in the future.
SOLUTION FOR STIMULUS, TO PURCHASE DETROIT CARS
You need to refinance the mortgages into a new mortgage superfund. The Federal Government should create a “mortgage superfund” with rates under 5%. Allow people to transfer their mortgages to the fund.
This will save the average homeowner ($300k) about $500/month. Besides, the trillions of dollars in payments that are being sent to global funds (teachers unions in Germany, Wealth Funds) will be sent in to the U.S Government.
The reality is this: They would stabilize the housing market and probably make money.
Finally….low rates did not get us into this mess…weak underwriting (poor modeling) did. People need to separate the two.
November 20, 2008 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Low rates and weak underwriting both. The Bush Ownership Society notion combined with Greenspan keeping rates artificially low.
the video guy: How do you find 4% money for mortgages, print it?
He's wrong about housing being the problem. The bubble WAS a problem.
He's just another character pushing his own agenda.
November 20, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
If YOU, You were looking to provide for your family, what would be your priorities?
SHELTER, water, food?
You write "just another character pushing his own agenda"
Why is concern for the general welfare of my brother and his family, a misguided agenda?
I am really afraid that you have no clue as to how serious the affects of this coming storm is going to have. You'd better think about sustenance and covering,
This is the time for serious plans.
My agenda is SURVIVAL! and not the industry.
The Storm is bearing down on us, and some are just whistling past the graveyard with the attitude, we can do this or we can do that no big deal.
Just like the fable of the Grasshopper and the Ant, the grasshopper was unaware, of the coming death dealing changes
With increased unemployment, you might find water, and you might dumpster dive because you lacked income for anything from the grocery,
I suppose you might find some old cardboard, and some old newspapers to keep the elements from making you sick and cold,
Your mentors could be the homeless, and then make sure your kids are fed as you hear them complain about how cold and how hungry.
All because some one thought their agenda was more important. Like we really need the banks or cars, when it hits the fan.
Sell BONDS, that’s how Governments finance things now.
UNLESS YOUR HOME IS PAID OFF, YOU’RE ABOUT TO LOSE IT.
We are going to see increased unemployment, more foreclosures, if people are forced out of their homes where are they going?
The bottom is dropping out, you better get Security NOW, keeping people in their homes should be top priority.
We are going to run out of time and money,
Get back to basics.
SHELTER, EVEN A CAVEMAN CAN FIGURE THAT ONE OUT
A friend wrote me this email and it shows what is occurring, in case you weren’t aware
The job losses in real estate QUADRUPLE the losses in the automotive industry.
IF the Feds implement my plan, (drop rates to 4%, offer interest only for 7 years)..they would save borrowers $500+ per month, ENOUGH to buy a car. Until we fix the housing mess, everything else is irrelevant.
We are going into a recession/depression…. housing prices are REALLY going to start dropping soon due to
Increased unemployment.
Example
In 2007, A borrower buys a $200,000 house, puts 20% down($40k).
After one year of payments, he has paid $12,000 in payments (6%), $2000 in tax/ins, AND 10% depreciation ($20,000). So, in one year, he has spent (lost) $34,000…his whole life savings. You have to account for depreciation when you look at the true cost of a property (businesses deduct depreciation expense).
IF the FED does drive mortgage rates to 4%, we will see an end to the death spiral in real estate, possibly bringing the cost of ownership to 7% or less (3% depreciation…hopefully going away shortly thereafter)
November 20, 2008 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink