Very Much On This Planet

It seems to me that Angler undercuts Jacob Heilbrunn's attempt to cast Vice President Cheney as a Dr. Sammler figure on a mission to combat the counter-culture of the 1960s and 1970s. For example, Bart shows that Cheney had little interest in "cultural" issues. At the beginning of President Bush's first term, Cheney focused on economic policy and energy policy, two areas well removed from the "culture war." After 9/11, he focused, not surprisingly, on issues relating to terrorism. Terrorism was not an issue in the 1960s and 1970s either.
It is true, as Heilbrunn observes, that Cheney was quite unhappy about one relic of the 1970s - the post-Watergate limitations on presidential power. In this respect, he was like most who served in the Reagan administration and some who served in the Clinton administration.
One would expect any Republican administration to take serious exception to at least a few aspects of the liberal Democratic agenda of the 1970s. It doesn't advance reasoned argument to compare such opposition, where it can be found, to a grouchy old man attempting to create his own "planet."
It is a virtue of Bart's book that he not only eschews such conceits almost entirely, but provides reporting that gainsays their applicability.















Bart shows that Cheney had little interest in "cultural" issues.
On the other side, we have his marriage to Lynne Cheney, and all the time he spent at the American Enterprise Institute:
November 18, 2008 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Veddy interesting . . .
I can only assume that Mr. Mirgoff was a wee bit too busy attending Dartmouth and Stanford during the 60s and 70s.
The funny but sad thing is ... I was in both Mexico City and Munich for the Olympics and there were others there at both those venues that would beg to differ about international terrorism not being an issue during those years. And I won't even bother get into the domestic side of terrorism in those years
But of course Dick was but a pimple on Nixon's fanny during those years.
~OGD~
*Paddlin' along in the Cafe since June 2005*
November 18, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
"One would expect any Republican administration to take serious exception to at least a few aspects of the liberal Democratic agenda of the 1970s."
Especially since Republicans find adherence to the rule of law abhorrent, at least when they are not dismissing it as "quaint," or relying on hypertechnical interpretations of it to demagogue Democrats.
The fact that your posts are outnumbering even the book's author's here indicate that you have internalized one of the chief lessons of the effective propagandist: get the spin out htere early and often, and the truth will eventually be totally obscured.
November 18, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know what everyone seems to be skating around here is the frank and open discussion of Cheney as a sick twist who has caused more harm and misery in this world than we'll ever know.
November 18, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm usually tiresomely moderate but in this case
I have to agree.
November 18, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Furthermore.....
A fairly common complaint of the Right is that liberals are moral relatavists. Thinking of Cheney caused me to think of a couple of lines of Auden's , about Melville
Cheney is evil.
November 18, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry , it's Evil that is unspectacular.
Not Elvis. Who was spectacular . In a sense.
November 18, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Cheney was a black man working for some drug czar and ordering torture which led to death and helping himself and his friends to his boss's product he'd either be shot by his boss or arrested by the FBI (or both) and all these people who think he's only carrying out orders or is a true believer in ideology would be screaming at what a monster he is and how guys like him should be in prison.
November 19, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps a look back at Cheney's 1980 years as a member of the House is in order here.
He opposed a ban on selling armor piercing bullets. He opposed sanctions on South Africa because it was practicing appartheid. He voted against ERA. He voted against extending the Clean Water Act. He voted against a ban on guns that can escape detection. He voted to ban Head Start.
Wrap it all up and Cheney the Vice President is and always has been Cheney the man.
November 18, 2008 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
always fun to hear the voices of the left which seem to be as usual simple assertions with very little basis in objective fact.IF I were to respond in a similar vein, e. g.,Obama is an empty suit who thinks we have 58 states,a fascist who will destroy anyone who dares question him, or smear left wing politicians the way writers here smear and denounced anyone who disagrees with them you would have fits. Well,enjoy them, but why not an attempt at civilized discourse?The AEI revived free market views,the case for a strong defense,and cataloged the facts of the destruction caused to the poor by the Great Society programs.You are so biased on this site you cannot offer a reasoned arguement on anything you are all so blinded by hate.Step back and read the comments on this site.Its not a picture of thoughtful analysis.
November 18, 2008 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
People who order torture of other human beings are sick and twisted people and you cannot justify, rationalize or reason his culpability in this crime.
November 19, 2008 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
always fun to hear the voices of the left which seem to be as usual simple assertions with very little basis in objective fact.IF I were to respond in a similar vein, e. g.,Obama is an empty suit who thinks we have 58 states,a fascist who will destroy anyone who dares question him, or smear left wing politicians the way writers here smear and denounced anyone who disagrees with them you would have fits. Well,enjoy them, but why not an attempt at civilized discourse?The AEI revived free market views,the case for a strong defense,and cataloged the facts of the destruction caused to the poor by the Great Society programs.You are so biased on this site you cannot offer a reasoned arguement on anything you are all so blinded by hate.Step back and read the comments on this site.Its not a picture of thoughtful analysis.
November 18, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
When was our defense (sic) ever "weak" since World War II? We spent more federal money on nuclear weapons alone than on the combined totals of education; law enforcement; agriculture; natural resources and the environment; general science, space, and technology; job training, employment, and social services; community and regional development; and energy production and regulation since World War II.
What the AEI made a case for was military Keynesianism, which has been humming along in America since 1949.
November 19, 2008 4:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Here is some analysis, John, thoughtful or not.
Cheney's track record:
Osama bin Laden pulled off 9/11 at a cost of 19 lives and $500,000 on his side. The US has lost the 3,000 lives on 9/11, almost 5000 more in Afghanistan and Iraq, countless Iraqi and Afghani civilian lives, and spent $572,418,000,000+ without even catching the ONE guy that we know was responsible.
Yes, we have not been attacked again, but they (AQ) managed to get everything they were looking for all in one shot. Why spend two? Bin Laden just shakes his head, while he writes the script:
That's our strong national defense? And is America really better off with it?
The subject of free markets has become quite the popular topic these days. Rather than delve into the myriad of obituaries that have been written about them, by economists from both sides of the aisle, lets just go into how they have served the average American.
According to Larry Bartels, "over the past 60 years, the real incomes of middle-income families have grown about twice as fast under Democratic presidents as they have under Republican presidents."
Angry Bear, who says he is a Democrat only because they are "better than Republicans", has actually taken the statistics from the government and run them through the analytics that economists love so much, and has come to the same conclusion. He even goes so far as to include the different Congressional majorities with the Presidents and offers his spreadsheets to any and all that ask. So far, conservatives have not been able to refute the numbers. The series was called God Punishes Us When We (Collectively) Vote Republican.
So what do you see that's different from any of this? And if it's not different, how do you justify it?
November 19, 2008 4:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Cheney had little interest in 'cultural' issues"?
He was loudly against establishing Martin Luther King Day.
Stop wasting our time, Mr. Mirengoff. Stop playing "lookee, over here--no, there!"
I'd like to see you address the central implication of Mr. Gelman's book: That Richard Irving Cheney is a character of Shakespearean malevolence and free-floating animus unparalleled in the history of the White House and the Eisenhower Executive Building.
November 19, 2008 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink