Cheney's Empire

Hi Bart--excellent explication of your book that you provided. Just out of curiousity, I was once told that authors can take on the personas of their characters while writing biographies of them. Did you find yourself writing as much of the book as possible in a subterranean lair and becoming, if you will, suspicious of strangers?
OK, on to policy. First question: Yes, Cheney fought for as much power as he could get. But, as some conservative friends chided me recently, what else is new in Washington? What's so uniquely reprehensible about Cheney, they argue. Rumsfeld and Cheney behaved this way in the Ford administration--something I think you could have gone into in greater detail, though I suppose you felt the book was long enough already!--and Bush knew what he was getting into. When Cheney overreached, Bush checked him. But Cheney was no villain. He was executing the president's vision, pushing an obdurate bureaucracy to get moving, and, in general, a loyal soldier. So what's the crime?
If Joe Biden came into the Obama presidency with similar powers, would anyone object? Let's say the Defense Department was trying to obstruct talks with Iran and North Korea and Biden intrigued with a small cabal of aides to ensure that they really took place. Would that be so terrible?
Which leads me to another point: Sam Tanenhaus argues in the New Republic, in discussing your book, that Cheney, in essence, blew it. He tried to create the imperial vice-presidency and it boomeranged. What's your take?
Final, related point: Steve Clemons has written that Biden should take tutelage from Cheney, not, if I'm following Steve here correctly, in terms of the actual policies that he followed, but, as I suggest above, in implementing decisions. I myself believe that Steve is offering bad advice because the office of the vice-presidency was, in fact, contorted by Cheney into something it is not.
What do you think?
















2 points:
1) Cheney's crimes are where the Constitution was shredded in the arenas of torture, domestic spying, DOJ manipulation, Valerie Plame exposure, destruction of official emails and other gov't records, and power-grabs.
2) Cheney's earlier history is well wrought in John Nichols' DICK: THE MAN WHO IS PRESIDENT (2004: The New Press). It was widely ignored, unfortunately.
November 17, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
So what's the crime?
Yeah no crime. Just torture, lying the nation into war, violating the National Security Act of 1947, resulting in the deaths of 100,000's of people, etc. That sort of thing.
November 17, 2008 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
"If Joe Biden came into the Obama presidency with similar powers, would anyone object? Let's say the Defense Department was trying to obstruct talks with Iran and North Korea and Biden intrigued with a small cabal of aides to ensure that they really took place. Would that be so terrible?"
Lousy example as in real life, the DoD is more likely to encourage talks without impossible preconditions they know don't apply than the beholden Biden and his putative ideological cabal would.
November 17, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
National Security Act of 1947:
The "Cheney/Rumsfeld cabal" (Powell's man Lawrence Wilkerson's term) violated this. The Habbush letter was a specific example.
November 17, 2008 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem with trying to figure just
how much Cheney has damaged America,
is that his uber-secrecy obscures MOST
of his behaviour (of course, criminals NEVER
want their activities exposed to the light of
day, and Cheney, similarly, has gone to
unprecedented lengths
[see "Worse Than Watergate" etc.,]
to keep the American people from knowing
what he and Bush have done).
Honestly, as the truth trickles out over the
next 2 or 3 years, we'll finally be able to
fully reckon all the damage done...
at this point the only grade we can give is
on the BEST of Cheney...the parts he WANTED
you to see!
(if 10% of America likes the Cheney we now know,
imagine what the percentage will be when what
he's--so far--successfully hidden comes to light!)
November 17, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
One of the interesting things that I suspected
about cheney before I read ANGLER, and
that I now am somewhat convinced of is that
one of his great strengths- his ability to
obscuring his actions - contributed to one of
his great weaknesses- that of not learning
from his mistakes.
His ability to so completely disguise his actions
allowed him to also escape responsibility for
the failures of his activity, and to allow him
PERSONALLY to avoid reflection on these mistakes,
and therfore learn to avoid them in the future.
In his career he seemed to make similar goof ups-
a ridiculously agressive military posture,
and then ignoring the bad effects of it, or the
evident wrong-headed ness of it.
The reason that consequences are important, is
how else do we learn from our mistakes ?
The Bush/Cheney gang- worst learners ever !
-r
November 17, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, I do suspect that Cheney must
have had some huge resevoir of black mail
stuff that he has used over the years-
I always seemded that that was the only thing
that explained how he got so many different
groups, people, agencies, ect to go along
with his schemes.
I used to joke that he inherited Hoovers closet
some how, but I suspect that tho it might not
have come from Hoover, that he does have some
large collection, or ability to collect.
-r
November 17, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny how things work out. My thoughts are that if we the US do not do something in the name of Justice regarding Cheney, (Bush et cetera) than the world will.
The US waning its 20th Century Super Power status will have much to pay for its unilateral invasion of Iraq (well okay there was this little coalition) and their war crimes and crimes against humanity.
It is just me but I don't think simply avoiding landing in Germany will do. This then leads to the next question whether the US would give up Bush and Cheney to the Hague?
November 17, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think there are many examples of where Cheney's "crimes" are, as some have pointed out here, so I won't bother repeating them. But I do believe that if you want to look at one of the general aspects of why Cheney (and in general the entire Bush administration) is viewed as villainous it would have to be the elevation of ideology above country, conscience and reason and the manner in which it was implemented. And that got me to thinking -
If you look back over the past 8 years of the Bush presidency at the numerous epic failures and systemic breakdowns I think the one unifying element you would find in each example would be the placement of personal and policy based almost entirely on ideology. Decisions and appointments were made wholesale with complete disregard for ability, viability or repercussions (at least in terms of benefiting the nations rather than simply the party). In fact in most cases reality was intentionally hidden or ignored. The path they chose has proven to be disastrous - a result anyone with at least one foot in reality could have foreseen. I believe that politicians such as Cheney and Rumsfeld personify this myopic and misguided approach to governing a nation (that they personally know best) and as such should rightly be pointed to as being responsible for the dire state we find ourselves in. They deserve to be portrayed as villains because they are villains. Villains to reason. Villains to truth. Villains to the ideals upon which our nation was founded and must continue to aspire to. To view Dick Cheney's actions through such a narrow lens as a "simple political power play" and no worse than any politician in Washington is disingenuous to put it kindly. You need to weigh the entire body of work and how it was performed.
And on the related note - The last thing our nation needs is for Biden to take ANY notes from Cheney other than "what not to do and how not to do it". How one does something is at least as important as what it is one does. I understand that we are a nation of laws and governed by them. That being the case, all one needs to do is change the laws in order to do what one wants. I'm fine with this system if, and only if, those changes are driven by thought and reason and not ideology. And the process needs to be inclusive not divisive (which has been the central Republican strategy for years now) or you will get an inherently unjust and ultimately destructive result. These are extremely important differences and I believe the past 8 years have illustrated that quite clearly.
November 17, 2008 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good point: By keeping others from knowing
what he was doing, Cheney not only avoided
responsibility and accountability...he also never learned.
I don't think he needed blackmail: Cheney profited
from what I call "REVERSE-CHEERLEADER SYNDROME:"
Just as people would be likely to discount the
foreign policy opinions of a cute, perky,
17 year-old cheerleader
("How could she possibly know what she's talking about?"),
I think the media assumes that, therefore, the reverse
must be true: that a man as old and ugly as Cheney
MUST know what he's talking about...
even if his every opinion turns out to be wrong.
A retarded, blindfolded chimp, randomly selecting options
from a desktop would've (statistically) compiled a much
better success rate than did the current VP,
but the R-CS theory means that Cheney will still be said to
possess "gravitas," despite seemingly NEVER being correct.
(in Bill Kristol's defense, a nice suit can substitute for ugly)
November 17, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cheney ran Halliburton. He knows what is real and what is BS and he has been knowingly selling BS because it profits him and the base. I cannot bring myself to entertain any other possibility then his intention was to mislead. He certainly never showed any desire to entertain any other opinion then what fit his goals, fixing the information to achieve his objectives. Bush and Cheney were partners in crime and continue to steal from the national treasury to this day.
November 18, 2008 3:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mr Heilbrunn,
I read Steve Clemons article, and I beleive it was OBAMA that he was encouraging to take notes from TheCheney, not Biden.
I know Mr Gelman's book was a little more devastating than his self-review here.....but still I am disappointed in his review sounding so even handed and exculpatory of TheCheney. If you round off all the edges, and back away from the sharp and concise language....it makes TheCheney sound like some kind of Happy Warrior. Just doing LeChimp's bidding.
But I think we should call a spade a spade. What TheCheney did was criminal, unpatriotic, unamerican, traitorous, and crimes against the american people and humanity. And he did it all in OUR name.
Let's be precise, rather than vague and moderate and mollifying and conciliatory and trying to grease the rails.
November 17, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is no doubt that . . . . Vice-President Cheney
Has Cheney ever been caught in a lie -- that is, the making of a statement of a fact* which he believed was untrue**?
* I'm asking only about statements of fact which are important to an argument he was making (for example, Saddam's possession of WMD).
** We can argue his recklessness, later.
November 17, 2008 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Cheney believed he was telling the truth when he spoke to Dick Armey about Saddam's weapons delivery systems which were on the brink of being delivered to Saddam, then either his brainpower or his sanity are in serious question.
We can eliminate the first of this pair of possibilities. And I have never seen anyone seriously query the second.
November 18, 2008 12:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Make that 'delivered to bin laden'- sorry.
Trying to phrase this anecdote in a way which does not presuppose that Cheney was lying makes the head spin.
November 18, 2008 12:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I know Bush-era conservatives in Washington well enough to suspect that the ones Heilbrunn talked to were just making debating points. Everyone does it, goes the argument, so the fact that Cheney also does it only makes him like everyone else.
To say I am not impressed by this line of argument is putting it mildly, but the question of how, exactly, Cheney and the administration he served have been different from past administrations is one that bears close examination. The American government has been around for a very long time; its operations are guided by an almost incomprehensibly vast set of rules, procedures and precedents. Some of these are enshrined in the Constitution, some in statute law, still others in regulation. Many, many of them are not written down at all. There is nothing in writing that forbids an arrangement whereby the Vice President sees everything the National Security Adviser sees while the NSA is not read in to everything the Vice President sees, for example.
Collectively these rules support a system of government both durable and flexible, one that can survive and even prosper when some of them are bent, even when some are occasionally broken. When the system's rules are treated with contempt; when they are regarded as impediments to an existential struggle that somehow never ends; when they are routinely subordinated to the urgent needs of one official -- then the system itself begins to grind to a halt. Shortcuts through and detours around the rules, originally taken as means to make the system move faster, eventually end up making it impossible for the system to operate at all.
That is what is different about Bush's administration, and about Dick Cheney in particular. Look at Guantanamo; the near-collapse of Bush's Justice Department at the end of his first term; the sclerosis afflicting agencies charged with enforcing environmental laws; the long internal administration stalemate over whether and how to engage Iran and Syria. Cheney, deeply involved in all these matters, was willing to stop everyone else from doing what they thought wise if it was not what he thought wise. Not for him making the best case he could, being overridden if that's where the chips fell, and then moving on. It was his way or nothing. The whole administration -- including aspects of it in which Cheney was not involved -- has operated like that, which is a major reason most Americans are so relieved to see it coming to an end now.
November 17, 2008 11:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cheney declared as they were entering the first term that they would run the country like a business, and it was their business to run. It was not ours, or that of the Congress or anyone else's. It was The Bush and Cheney White House. It was formd for one reason, as is true of every business, to make a profit. It seems these two have ensured that they made great profits for themselves and those partners who worked with them through the military-industrial complex and oil interests. Frankly, I'm still a little edgy that he will leave office before Bin Laden attacks again enabling him to retain power. The MSM has brought up that intelligence is leading them to believe something is up and he has set himself up to retain power in the event of a calamity. All at the hands of someone in a family with whom he is personally familiary from years prior to his taking office. I'm afraid. I remain very, very afraid. The national Guard is overseas. The regular army is stationed here and Blackwater has moe potent weapons then the top 1% of the NRA.
November 18, 2008 3:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
"...run the country like a business..."
If only they'd told us Caterair
was the business they'd run it like.
November 18, 2008 5:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Has Cheney ever been caught in a lie -- that is, the making of a statement of a fact* which he believed was untrue**?
The clearest example was the Habbush letter (don't know for a fact that Cheney was involved, but I'd bet money on it).
November 18, 2008 7:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jacob,
You wrote "Cheney was no villain. He was executing the president's vision, pushing an obdurate bureaucracy to get moving, and, in general, a loyal soldier."
This appears to be true by itself, but Cheney also has his own agenda which he used his position as an activist Vice President to a passive and generally disinterested President to push as far as he could. He has been far more than merely a loyal soldier carrying out the wishes of his superior.
He has achieved a position of unique power in the government, one which has had no effective oversight and no restraint. For this the incompetent and disinterested George Bush is directly responsible. But Cheney created that position, taking advantage of his knowledge of George W. Bush's capabilities, ideology and blind spots. Cheney has used that position to push an agenda that in many ways ignores and even shreds the Constitution.
I think your question could fairly be restated as "Is it fair to blame a politician in a political system of checks-and-balances for intentionally shedding those checks and balances in order to push his own personal agenda in directions many find profoundly wrong?" The alternative is to blame the system or the other politicians for letting him get away with it.
While the system and the other politicians - particularly Bush - have clearly failed in allowing Cheney to obtain and wield such unchecked power. There is a lot of failure there. But the direct responsibility for that failure does not reach the level that Dick Cheney has to bear. Dick Cheney is directly and personally responsible for what he has done and for its profound failures. He stepped far beyond the role of "loyal Soldier" and is fully and directly responsible for what he did.
November 18, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink