Was Georgia a Neo-Con Conspiracy? A Lesson for Obama
New revelations about Georgia's August war with Russia should send a warning to president-elect Barack Obama about how a commander-in-chief can be manipulated into war.
It now appears that the same neo-conservatives who manipulated the US into the Iraq war on false evidence were directly involved in backing Georgia's ill-fated operation on August 7-8, which eyewitness military observers have described as indiscriminate attacks by Georgia on Russian and civilian positions. The observers reports, first made in August and then October to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, were disclosed in the New York Times three days after the presidential election. [NYT, Nov. 7]
The new evidence increases the likelihood that the August 7-8 clash between Georgia and Russia was an "October Surprise" that would highlight John McCain's greater foreign policy experience at the height of the presidential election.
The Georgia fighting occurred immediately before the Democratic convention in Denver. McCain, the leading public advocate for Georgia, immediately declared "we are all Georgians now" and promised "to blast Russia." Obama, on vacation in Hawaii, at first called for greater diplomacy, but quickly fell in line with a bipartisan consensus of national security advisers and the mainstream media. Obama's national security adviser, Susan Rice, openly applauded the White House for its rapid response, including support for NATO's inclusion of Georgia and the Ukraine and a one billion dollar emergency appropriation.
The newly-released evidence for the "October Surprise" now deserves deeper reflection by Obama and his advisers, and greater investigation by the mainstream media.
The trail of evidence stats with Randy Scheunemann, McCain's top foreign policy adviser and former director of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, which secured some $90 million in federal funds to lobby for the fabricated agenda of Iraqi exiles like Ahmed Chalabi leading to the Iraq invasion.
Scheunemann became a registered foreign agent for Mikheil Saakashvili's Georgian government when it came to power in 2004, making $800,000 in fees for his lobbying firm, Orion Strategies, until the relationship on May 15 was formally terminated under McCain's 2008 campaign rules.
In those years, McCain traveled to Georgia more than once, nominated his "close friend" Saakashvili for a Nobel Prize in 2005, engineered support for Georgia through the Republican Democracy Institute, and supported the US training of combat forces there. With Schuenemann as his adviser, Saakashvili had campaigned on a platform of taking back South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Schuenemann was also his lobbyist when Saakashvili sent troops to retake two other separatist enclaves, Ajaria in 2004, and upper Kodori Gorge in Abkhazia in 2006, both over Russian objections. Schuenemann and McCain visited Georgia again in 2006.
Scheunemann invented the neo-conservative battle cry of "rolling back rogue states", used by McCain in a 1999 speech, an echo of the Cold War strategy of rolling back the Soviet Union, and was a paid lobbyist for Latvia, Macedonia, Romania, and the so-called Caspian Alliance, a consortium including British Petroleum, Chevron and Conoco building a pipeline through Georgia to bypass the former Soviet Union.
Scheunemann attacked Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in 2006 for "appeasement" of Russia over Georgia, suggesting the same tensions between the neo-conservatives, McCain, and Cheney's office versus the State Department that undermined rational assessments in the runup to Iraq. [Financial Times, Oct. 21, 2006]
Now that Georgia's August 7 operation appears to have been pre-planned and deliberate, is it possible to believe that Scheunemann was unaware of a scenario that closely matched the August 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident? Before this becomes yesterday's news, someone should ask what did he know and when did he know it? Did the US advisers to the Georgian military know and not report the facts? In the unlikely event that they were uninformed and uninvolved, the McCain team was quick to exploit the moment to attack Obama for inexperienced wobbling.
There followed a complete acquiescence by the Democrats, led by Obama's national security advisers, whose Cold War conditioning apparently trumped their own experience of being manipulated into the Iraq war. Or was a political decision made that Obama could not afford to appear weaker than McCain on Russia? A reignited Cold War would have been fused with the War on Terrorism in one dominant paradigm.
Now that they are in opposition, there is little doubt that the neo-conservatives will continue their strategy of confrontation on the Russian border. These are people who deliberately exaggerated the Soviet military threat in the Reagan years, developed the Project for the New American Century [where Scheunemann was a director], fabricated evidence about Saddam's arsenal, and seemingly have never stopped. They could destroy an Obama presidency by demanding expenditures for multiple wars which America cannot win and cannot afford, or alternatively accusing him of weakening America in the world.
The important cautionary lesson for Obama is that his initial instincts favoring diplomacy were correct while his national security advisers failed him. There is a parallel with the early days of the John Kennedy presidency, when the national security establishment presented a plan for invading Cuba to a young president eager to prove his national security mettle. If Kennedy rejected the Bay of Pigs invasion, he would have been accused of weakness and treason. When the invasion turned into a debacle - the Cubans had detailed information about the training and landing sites - Kennedy was quoted later as wishing he could tear the CIA into a thousand pieces. Indeed, if the national security advisers had prevailed against the secret diplomacy of the Kennedy brothers, there might have been nuclear war over Cuba. John Kennedy's deep questioning of the Cold War began with those disastrous experiences.
Vice president Joe Biden famously warned that Barack Obama would be tested over national security policy in the first months of his tenure. That the testing may come from within the national security establishment, not only from foreign sources, should give Obama pause as he contemplates the time ahead.













Unfortunately there is just too much money to be made by engaging in wars. That money temptation will seemingly continue to drive much of our foreign policy. I hope Obama can see through it, and resist it, and articles like this can only help him to do that.
I am very encouraged by reading that the Obama transition team is working on shutting down GITMO. That suggests that they understand that the whole war apparatus in our country has to be greatly diminished. My fingers are crossed.
November 10, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think this is a well-researched or particularly revealing article, as it leaves too many loose threads.
I reported pretty extensively on the Rose Revolution in Georgia on my blog, and one thing that was very clear to me from everything I heard was that there were two big sources of funding for Saakashvili's supporters:
1 > George Soros
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Revolution
2> USAID, both from the Republicans and Democrats, with the goal of promoting democracy.
This isn't to say that Republicans couldn't be involved in some sort of dirty tricks regarding this matter, but the big issue to ask is to what extent does the Republican agenda differ from Democrats on this issue?
(It certainly wouldn't be the first time. Remember Bill Clinton's support for the Iraq war, as something that was basically in-line with his own administration's policies? And Hillary's support, as well?!)
George Soros, as you all might be aware, is a major Democratic fundraiser. He put up a lot of the money for sites like MoveOn.org, for instance. Does that mean that there is a branch of the Democratic Party that supported the conflict too? If so, why? After all, it was ill-timed and ill-concieved, and *STILL* endangers the flow of oil to our western allies through Georgia's pipeline infrastructure. Where's the victory in that?!
I don't ask these questions as a way of dismissing the idea offhand, but really... Republicans *controlled* the attacks? Why would Georgia happily get themselves into a military conflict that they could not clearly win? Why did Georgia attack while their best troops were in Iraq? What about the verified phone intercepts that came out indicating that Russian forces were moving armed vehicles into S. Ossetia before the conflict started? What about the general lack of widespread civilian casualties that the Russians were reporting initially as their rationale for a full-scale invasion? They literally claimed mere hours after the invasion that there were thousands of dead civilians... ones that they never verified at night, before they gave the order to send their troops in the following morning! Where are the bodies?!
I don't deny that the Bush administration gave Georgia a lot of support and encouragement, like it does all its satellites... and we *KNOW* that Georgia was getting special treatment in exchange for being one of the few remaining coalition partners in Iraq. Obviously, the payoff was supposed to be connected to U.S. approval for their NATO bid. But Hayden is showing us lots of smoke and invective, but precious little fire here.
If he cares to flesh out his theories and answer these nagging questions, really... that would be helpful!
November 10, 2008 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you believe that George Soros paid for the massive infusion of US weapons that the government of Georgia purchased ? Or the help from the Israeli CIA in country ? Do you think it was Soros who encouraged Saakashvili to attack the territories, Soros who sent military advisors to train the Georgian army ? Soros is just a democrat with a lot of money - he's not the democratic party. This is the kind of association republicans make - more money means more importance. To me it's clear that the idiots who gave us Iraq are the same idiots who thought it would be a no brainer to piss off the russians via Saakashvili. That's right, the neocons. And in the same striking fashion as with Iraq, they didn't cover their tracks very well with this three stooges attack either.
November 11, 2008 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, of course Soros didn't pay for the weapons Georgia purchased. That said, Soros *WAS* absolutely essential to Saakashvili coming in to power... as was USAID, which is oftentimes used as a slushfund of influence, directed in equal parts between the Democrats and Republicans, both of whom allocate it to overseas pro-democracy orgs.
So, the question becomes... to what degree was the situation in Georgia one deemed beneficial by both Democrats and Republicans? Would either of them not help arm Georgia, train them to be up to NATO standards, etc.
(You *DO* realize that in order for Georgia to be accepted into NATO, that obviously their military would have to go through a long period of training and equipping in order for them to be deemed as up to NATO standards, don't you? And their involvement in Iraq was tit-for-tat, and served as a way of getting them there quicker, trained abroad under US command.
It doesn't surprise me that Israel helped Georgia. Why wouldn't they? It was to their advantage. It doesn't surprise me that the Bush administration helped Georgia. Why wouldn't they? It was to their advantage. Likewise, it doesn't surprise me that many in the EU helped Georgia as well. Are you starting to get the picture here?
And yet, the big issue was whether anyone knew that war was going to happen. All I can say is that the location of the pieces on the chessboard absolutely does not suggest a premeditated attack on Russian peacekeepers in Georgia. Indeed, it suggests Russian beligerence and provocation, and people who viewed the situation as a cold war with a hare-trigger, primarily because South Ossetia was being used as a safe haven to attack out of against Georgians, protected by the Russians.
I suggest you read the following:
http://en.qartu.com/post/46500036/timeline-of-events-in-the-russians-invasion
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/129692.html
"To me it's clear that the idiots who gave us Iraq are the same idiots who thought it would be a no brainer to piss off the russians via Saakashvili."
Look mac... just because backing up an emergent democracy that wants to be a part of NATO might piss off the Russians, that's not necessarily a good reason to say "Well, yeah, you want to be democratic, but f' off. You're too close to the KGB boys for comfort."
Don't the Georgians have the right to self-determination too? Why *shouldn't* they be able to take steps to join NATO like Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and other peoples who suffered under Russian occupation during the worst of the USSR? Why wouldn't they want to safeguard their right to never go down that road again?
Would you have given the USSR Berlin too, because it might hurt their feelings?!
Just because the Bush administration is clueless and hamfisted doesn't mean that they were wrong about everything. Perhaps they just didn't make it clear enough to our Georgian friends that if they get themselves into hot water, they're on their own... at least until they are formal members of NATO.
But really, if things develop where they don't unnecessarily provoke the Russians, and where the Russians aren't essentially provoking them by protecting attacks against Georgians, then yes, Georgia should be allowed to join NATO, for all the right reasons... and such a movement shouldn't be resisted, for all the wrong ones.
November 12, 2008 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
One last point... one of the reasons that Georgia was trained in the first place had to do with the War on Terror. They were seen as a potential partner and way of containing Islamic fundamentalism in the Caucuses, keeping Chechen militants in check, etc.
It was also, of course, a matter of safeguarding the flow of oil to our allies in Europe, allowing a seperate pipeline infrastructure through the region that bypassed both the Iranians and the Russians, thereby avoiding strengthening either of these powers who teeter on totalitarianism.
So really, there were a lot of good reasons to arm Georgia. The issue is that of the attack into South Ossetia. All I can say is that it absolutely makes no sense for Georgia to have done what it did when it did, unless they clearly felt pressured to do so within the context of the cold war they were already having with the Ossetians and their Russian protectors.
If Georgia really did want to go up against the Russians, the *least* they could've done would be to prepared marginally, in three main ways:
1> Waiting until their best troops were back from Iraq.
2> Mining to prevent the complete dominance of the Russian Navy.
3> Targeting and destroying the bridge approaches to Georgia from Russia.
Georgia did none of these things, which clearly shows you how much planning they *didn't* do. They felt under attack and pressured for time, largely because they were.
November 12, 2008 2:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
The question of PNAC's warmongering to come is very important. We've seen over the decades past that these outside groups can set the groundwork for undermining Democratic Presidents and fomenting false impressions of US vulnerabilities.
We had the Committee on the Present Danger while Carter was President. The Project for the New American Century while Clinton was President. There have been others over the years.
As Tom Hayden notes, we can easily anticipate they will run the same routine on Obama. The question is whether the progressive community will get the jump on them and deservedly discredit them or if Team Obama will fall for the same trick. (No doubt, the media will).
Kind of like playing football with Lucy.
We need some Dem hawks to help pushing back on this! And the Georgia debacle is a fine starting point.
November 10, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just to add to my own comment...
We are hearing calls for Pentagon budget cuts from inside the Cheney Pentagon.
Though this is the smart and responsible thing to do, it's the sort of thing PNAC/CPD/etc would demagogue to call Obama weak on defense.
November 10, 2008 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just to add to my own comment...
We are hearing calls for Pentagon budget cuts from inside the Cheney Pentagon.
Though this is the smart and responsible thing to do, it's the sort of thing PNAC/CPD/etc would demagogue to call Obama weak on defense.
November 10, 2008 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.d-n-i.net/dni/2008/10/29/americas-defense-meltdown/
I think this report when it is published will be very useful in deflating the screams from the right about "cutting spending". Its somewhat reassuring to me that I saw an article about the same recomendations from another source.
I'll keep posting this link, hope someone reads it.
November 10, 2008 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
My favorite teacher; I am so pleased you are here!
Indeed, O will be tested on so many levels. Do you have thoughts on how the public could be supportive? Or is this the kind of lonely choice all Presidents must make with advisors alone?
(From a former Santa Monica College student.)
November 10, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yea, SMC! I grew up (so to speak) in Santa Monica, and I've always thought my short stint at Santa Monica College was the best education I ever got.
I'm hoping Obama will be unencumbered by politics now that the election is over and use his instincts continue to guide him to govern. That walk back from his original reaction was completely political, and probably necessary when you think about it's context. But, one of the consequences of elections is vindication, and he has every reason to conclude that America is seeing the same thing he sees.
I agree with Tom, these neo-fascists need to be called out. And now is the time to do it.
November 10, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hi neighbor! SMC attracts amazing staff.
November 10, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have been writing about this on my blog as well. I have deep suspicions about this entire escapade, and its convienent timing.
Read my post here No John, We are not all Georgians Today
November 10, 2008 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
To paraphrase Hamlet: "What is Georgia to Him, or He to Georgia, that He should weep for her?"
As a native born American, I gotta ask, why was I born to be cannon fodder?
I mean, if the Russkies parachute into Kansas, I will be among the very first to grab my gun.
Until then, why do I have to die on foreign soil?
Why do my tax dollars have to be wasted on foreign soil? Isn't there some way I can have my tax dollars destined for Georgia go to pay for some poor American kid to get his teeth fixed or his appendix removed, instead? How come we gotta borrow money from the Chinese to give to the Georgians? What makes these politicians so Damn noble when it comes to handing out borrowed Chinese money to foreigners?
November 10, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
The sad and ugly truth, DiogenesJr, is that the USA was never elected by the nations of the world to be its sole superpower. We wanted it and we took it. Bitching about the consequences of our achievement doesn't change a thing.
November 11, 2008 8:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Welcome back Bar Kafka.
November 11, 2008 8:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks. And nice avatar.
November 11, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Hey Tom ...
Nice to see you out and about.
You raised a point in this question ...
If Obama and his team decided at that moment in time to "not afford to appear weaker that McCain" then it seems to have been a good decision at that time.
As of today 65.3 million seem to partially support that decision.
And, there can be very little doubt that the neo-con manipulators and authoritarian enablers will be doing as much as possible behind the curtain to keep Obama off balance in the future.
No doubt in my mind whatsoever . . .
~OGD~
*A Cafe contributor since June 2005*
November 10, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
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And one more thing Tom...
I experienced a rather different evening at Grant Park in Chi-town the other evening than I did in '68. How about You?
~OGD~
*Still paddlin' 'round the Cafe since June 2005*
November 10, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is being at Grant Park in '68 like being at Woodstock in '69?
November 10, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
In actuality, no--at the time, those were two very distinct demographics with different agendas. But I fully support your razzing, I could almost hear Tom Hayden's virtual sighs reading that comment.
:-)
November 10, 2008 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Hah . . .
Ellen and art back to back. Wow … who would have thunk it.
Unlike you two, my dear Mother introduced my elbow to my ass at an age young enough to know when someone’s pulling my Johnson rod . . .
How ‘bout you two?
~OGD~
*Flippin’ the finger in the Café since June 2005*
November 12, 2008 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ellen,
no, but I did spend the night at a Holiday Inn.
November 10, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Such a damn shame nobody slipped Johnson, Nixon and Humphrey the Brown Acid...
November 11, 2008 5:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Come on now, you know that "65.3 million" didn't care about that decision...they just want their $500 check. How've you been?
November 10, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Wow…
It’s Sgt 1st Class Irrelevant himself...
I'm doing just peachy keen.
On and uh ... How are your prediction skills doing?
Ha Ha Ha Ha . . .
~OGD~
*Sailing thru the Café since June 2005*
November 12, 2008 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
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Oops . . .
Formatting sucks! Link repaired.
Here Sgt 1st Class Irrelevant … about your prediction skills.
~OGD~
*Bumbling thru the Café since June 2005*
November 12, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have faith in the new president, but it is up to all of us to make sure this gets investigated. I was always suspicious of why this happened, reading between the lines it made no sense.
November 10, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
To me the likely truth is that Saakashvili was the responsible party, encouraged as much be the Israelis as the Washington neocons. But it is also impossible for me to believe that the Russians were not well aware of the situation, and were biding their time, waiting for the when and not the if. If I were the Russian general in charge of their forces north of the tunnel, and I heard the radio traffic signalling attacks in South Ossetia, and I liked my job and my retirement, I would have moved my forces immediately, and for me this accounts for the observation that the russians were present in force suspiciously close to the time of the onset of hostilities. But I believe in cause and effect, and for me the cause was Saakashvili and the Russian incursion was the effect. Saakashvili gambled stupidly and lost.
November 11, 2008 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
I made a similar argument in my TPM blog post, "Neocons Take A Mulligan: Why Palin Hearts Georgia,"
on September 15.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/neocons-take-a-mulligan-or-why.php
There's also a very nice oil, gas piece involved, along with the neocon alliance, just like Iraq.
November 10, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good article too. Its sort of amazing that it took this long for the truth to trickle out.
Debka Files has a piece on Israeli investment in Georgia and plans for the oil pipeline.
November 10, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Debka files... well, it must be true!
November 11, 2008 8:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
It was a serous mistake to train and encourage Saakashvilli to start that bloody full-scale attack on South Ossetia. McCain played his big role prior, during and after that conflict, but unfortunately Obama will be not willing to bring up this dirty business out of respect for the Arizona senator.
November 10, 2008 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tom, thanks for n oting the "complete acquiesence" of Dems, including Obama advisors, on this issue.
That, in turn goes back to Obama himself, as well as Biden, supporting "NATO observer" status at the minimum, if not a NATO-lite membership, for Georgia.
And, yes, oil is at the bottom of this.
It's a bit hypocritical for Obama to oppose one oil war and support another potential one.
November 10, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remember, Obama didn't oppose the Iraq war on the grounds that it was about oil. He opposed it because he saw it as a strategic blunder due to the long term costs. I have high hopes for him, but I would never be so naive to believe he is above engaging in petropolitics.
November 10, 2008 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hold the belief that all politics (world level) are petro-politics (for now). This is why we will never reduce our military in any meaningful way.
November 10, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the world in which we live, and in present day America, if you want to be elected to national office and you take any stand against the use of force to support democracy in any shape or form anywhere in the world, you are, in the good ol USA, dead meat. Full Stop.
November 11, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
If Scheunemann was a a registered foreign agent for Mikheil Saakashvili's government then lobbying firms are definitely in need of reform if not totally abolished. If Mr. Scheunemann or the lobbying firm he was associated with the conflict between Georgia and Russia in an attempt to get the US and NATO involved then the US Government need to address the situation and define operating limitations such lobbying firms cannot step over. I am extremely annoying that a lobbying firm would get the US involved in a dispute between foreign countries just so they can rake in a profit for their bottom line. Especially when US resources and lives of US soldiers are on the line. Who the fuck do they think they are!
November 10, 2008 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
They're the people who have been running things for quite a while.
November 11, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good piece, Tom. Shout it from the rooftops!
November 10, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's failure to stand up and tell the truth of what was happening in South Ossetia prior to the Russian invasion, was more of a disappointment to me than his FISA vote. I still think Obama should have hit McCain hard on this one. His unwavering support of Saakashvili should have been the basis of the narrative that cost McCain his foreign policy advantage. I just kept waiting for Obama to say this:
"I have a great deal of respect for the value John McCain puts on loyalty. Of all the criticisms that can be made of the man, he is unquestionably loyal. I however feel loyalty deserves more than unconditional support. Just as it is your most loyal friend who sometimes must look you in the eye and say, 'you were wrong.'
Saakashvili was wrong for razing South Ossetian viilages. Saakashvili was wrong for indiscriminate bombings. Saakashvili was wrong for depriving the people of South Ossetia of power and water. I believe as a President we must support our allies when their actions are just, but we must also be the first to remind them that they are out ally because of their respect for the rights of all people a respect Saakashvili did not uphold. I call on Sen McCain to denounce both sides in this conflict and work with me towards a peaceful solution to the struggle of the people of South Ossetia."
It was a clear opportunity for Obama to score a victory on the topic of foreign policy.
I don't blame Obama though. The greater problem was that the story was written before he got to the table. The media that didn't cover the story prior to the Russian invasion, told the tale to the people. The blame lies with the media for not taking the time to tell the whole story. We let the Neo-Cons set up the story.
We must find a way to get mass media to tell the story accurately. We need people like Joe Biden, Warren Christopher, Madeline Albright, et al to stand up and lead the narrative. We combat their strategies by using them against them. We will control the Pentagon briefing room. We need to be ready to flood the Sunday morning shows with respected experts from outside the administration to tell the story. We need to start writing the narratives.
And we need truth tellers like Mr Hayden to make sure our guys are telling the truth. Kudos to Tom Hayden for telling the truth. I am a fellow Hayden who shares his birth date, he has been making me proud of that fact for many years.
November 10, 2008 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I still think Obama should have hit McCain hard on this one."
And that's why Obama's going to be sworn in a president, and you're randomly commenting on a blog.
Obama's number one weakness in the election was the fear that he might be insufficiently ready to threaten military force. The convential wisdom in Washington, even though most of the opinion makers know nothing about proper use of our military in our conduct of foreign policy and even less about the history of American deeds and misdeeds abroad, is that the threat of American military action is enough to bring even the Russian bear immediately to heel.
Obama has already established himself as the candidate who prefers diplomacy to military action, and the electorate srongly agreed. If he had went much further than he did in opposing a reflexive military response in the campaign, the media would have hounded him out of the race with the dreaded "dove" label.
He seems to be aware of the limits of our military in solving foreign policy disputes. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until he in fact launches his own Bay of Pigs.
November 10, 2008 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. Obama needs to stand apart from his National security advisers. He needs to rmember he won by huge margins and should not worry about "appearances" as much as doing what he "believes" is right.
That was one of the few times I was disappointed in Obama's reactions to events...siding with war monger McCain who would rather start a war than lose an election. How many times did I have to bite my lip when he'd claim "I know how to win wars" when his experience got him captured. He was a POW...that's not how you win wars. Geez.
Caution and deliberation are crucial when war is near. Hopefully this story will continue to unfold because many of us believe this was engineered by the McCain campaign's adviser and was first put into play by Karl Rove's visit 3wks prior to the invasion.
McCain was so quick to want to jump into hostilities with Russia and the neocons have shown they would like nothing more than to start another cold war with Russia (all the profits to be made by weapons build up etc.)
Obama needs to select advisers who are not so quick to jump to conclusions and consider alternatives to their pre-ordained opinions. He also needs some insiders in the security offices which have been dominated by right wingers for years. Those are hard to come by and Susan Rice is not one of them. Maybe he should call back some of those officers forced into retirement for speaking out. It will take years to de-nazify the government but he needs protectors immediately. Maybe get his own team of dedicated people to be his insiders.
Susan Rice forgets that the second terrorist attack (anthrax) came from inside the government and it's perpetrators are still at large.
btw...just a thought...but what has worked for these neocons and repukes in the past no longer works as proven by the election. The voting public is sick of their tactics...just look at McCain's Oct. surprise...didn't work for him...and quietly we pretend it never happened. "We are all Georgian's now???"... What a joke.
November 10, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
That seems likely, akin to his FISA reversal.
There's a big difference between then and now. The current national-security crowd has been thoroughly discredited. Their opinions are now widely taken with huge grains of salt. That was not nearly as much the case with the Eisenhower NS establishment that JFK inherited.
An exaggerated fear, IMO. Their demands will not go unskeptically met, and their accusations will not carry much weight.
November 10, 2008 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
What you said.
November 10, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
The timing was vary curious as well - coinciding with the start of the Olympics as if to ensure the S. Ossetia conflict would get secondary coverage, allowing the Neo-Cons better opportunity to frame it their way without pesky international reporters getting in the way.
McCain was out in front quickly, while Obama was taking a break from campaigning in Hawaii (part of the timing?), and McCain's statements were aggressive in nature. He wanted to show his FP expertise by lecturing town halls on all things Georgia (gleaned right off Wikipedia?), and went with the overly dramatic "We are all Georgians today".
I think this gambit might have actually backfired as McCain came out too strong and it looked like he was trying to pick a fight with Russia. Furthermore it opened the door for the MSM talking heads to discuss McCain's temperament and his desire to be a "war president". McCain seemed eerily energized during this time, talking about sacrifice and war and talking tough about Russia.
November 10, 2008 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know McCain's strategy backfired with me. I certainly didn't feel like a Georgian, then or now.
As with the US mini attack on Syria about a month ago, it was a real, "What if they gave a war and nobody came" moment. It's amazing how so many people saw through both of those charades and simply ignored them, including the media.
November 10, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
At the time of this incident it seemed clear that it was staged. This needs to be further investigated along with the inciting to violence done by the McCain/Palin racism mongering. McCain should not just be treated with kid gloves & given a position within the O administration as a gesture of bipartisanship. They would have done anything to maintain power, including getting Obama assassinated.
November 10, 2008 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
From the NYTimes article:
"The accounts are neither fully conclusive nor broad enough to settle the many lingering disputes over blame in a war that hardened relations between the Kremlin and the West."
No evidence of any political influence from America has come to light as today. These conspiracy theories should be reserved for the black helicopter crowd.
November 10, 2008 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is only circumstancial evidence. Which is why Hayden and others, including myself, find some wisdom in the desire for an investigation.
November 11, 2008 8:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Three days after the election, when it can no longer negatively impact John McCain's chances, the New York Times goes public with confirmation of facts that have been known by those in the diplomatic world -- including the U.S. State Department -- since August.
This story took more than a couple of days to research, so it's clear the NYT sat on it until now. Not wanting to appear biased, I guess.
Are Georgia's claims even slightly credible?
Deputy assistant secretary of state Matthew Bryza, the U.S. point man on Georgia, virtually concedes they aren't:
“I wasn’t there,” he said, referring to the battle. “We didn’t have people there. But the O.S.C.E. really has been our benchmark on many things over the years.”
After provoking the Russians, Saakashvili seemed shocked that the U.S. did not come to his aid militarily. Who told him that it would?
I find it hard to believe Scheunemann didn't pass on such assurances from high in the administration.
They didn't come from Condi Rice, so the natural suspect is uber-hawk Dick Cheney.
Whoever it was, the new administration needs to conduct a thorough investigation.
Conspiring to trick your own country into wars of aggression sounds to me like the highest of high crimes.
November 10, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
...and...
Agree with Hayden's observations. Its frustrating that this happened during the campaign, but it's worth noting that the Bush Admin didn't start a third war. (Probably for logistical reasons.)
And while the Times' article raises some disturbing questions (esp regarding Scheunemann & McCain) that are worthy of further investigation, I remain skeptical that this was part of a neocon plot. (Seems to me that kind of logic can be applied to the 9/11 attacks.) I do think neocons attempt to manipulate events in order to further their SPECTRE agenda, but have seen no evidence suggesting they're capable of the requisite subtlety re Georgia/Russia.
November 10, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tom Hayden said;
Was Susan Rice looking toward the election with her actions or is she a hawk?
Correct, Obama's initial call for more diplomacy was correct, but he caved, just like he caved on FISA.
I like Obama, I supported him and voted for him, and was elated when he won the election; I just hope is isn't going to be more of the same thing.
November 10, 2008 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not a chance John, not a chance.
November 10, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whatever the facts, McCain did his campaign no advantage in seeming so eager to take on Russia. The baby boomers have not forgotten the fear of growing up during the Cold War, and the importance of a president with a cool head and diplomacy became paramount. As usual, McCain overplayed his hand.
November 10, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suggest Obama use the newly minted NSA powers to tap every single call made by the PNAC boys along with Cheney and Bush. If they so much as call any foreigner to wish him a happy birthday arrest them and put them on trial.
This will have the twofold affect of reining in any wingnuts who foment wars for domestic political advantage and make elected Republican politicians squeal about civil liberties.
Putting Cheney and/or Scheunemann in prison where they belong would be satisfying but the bipartisan rush to repeal the repulsive domestic spying laws would be an even bigger feather in Obama's cap.
November 10, 2008 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
"There followed a complete acquiescence by the Democrats, led by Obama's national security advisers, whose Cold War conditioning apparently trumped their own experience of being manipulated into the Iraq war. Or was a political decision made that Obama could not afford to appear weaker than McCain on Russia? A reignited Cold War would have been fused with the War on Terrorism in one dominant paradigm."
I suspect it was a political decision. Obama is too smart not to know what probably happened. For goodness sake, my ears perked up immediately and I am no brain trust. And not too long after Tom Hartmann on airamerica radio chimed in too and said that Karl Rove had been to George meeting with Saakshvilli just a few weeks earlier and pointed to Scheunemann's involvement. If I smelled a rat, I am sure Obama did too but he was in the middle of a vicious election campaign so I suspect they did what they had to do.
Interesting 3 days after the election, the truth is out well almost out
November 10, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, but your theory just doesn't convince me. If the neocons were smart enough to engineer the start of a war, you'd think they'd be smart enough to include Bush and Cheney in the loop. Instead, the administration made some half-hearted noises and did nothing. No war, no intervention. And the voters didn't even care. Some October surprise.
November 10, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remember reading about these possibilities quite a while ago at the translated world news service watchingamerica.com. I just googled quickly and found this from early September: http://watchingamerica.com/News/6104/us-hawks-as-warmongers/
I believe there were other foreign articles at the same site that raised these questions long before the NYT decided to join in. I also recall a congressional hearing in which Ron Paul questioned the official US version of this story.
November 10, 2008 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. Hayden,
I am not at all indisposed to believe your hypothesis. It fits comfortably within by worldview that Scheunemann and other neoconservatives might have engineered the Georgian war for McCain's benefit.
But did that really happen? So far the evidence just isn't there. It is entirely possible that Saakashvili simply calculated that August in the midst of a US presidential election was an opportune time for his long-planned move on South Ossetia, and acted without any planning or prodding from the McCain camp.
He calculated incorrectly. He correctly assumed that both US parties would rush to his rhetorical defense. But he incorrectly assumed that we would actually help Georgia in some material way.
There was lot of the bluster, from both parties. But the bluster was mainly designed to compensate for the embarrassing fact that we were not going to come to the aid of the Georgians, and that our previous egging them on, and our promises and hoo-hahs and cheerleading, were just a show for political benefit.
You are right, though, to warn of the possibility of the national security establishment working to intimidate Obama into some Bay of Pigs adventure. All we can do is try to stay on top of global affairs, so that when the dirty information war comes, we have the tools to fight back.
November 10, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
DanK,
obviously Saakashvili never looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul so he never knew how ruthless Putin could be.
November 10, 2008 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
HAVE you Looked into YOU BELOVED NEOCONS EYES and saw THEIR SOUL OF FILTH and realized how criminal and murderous THEY could be?????
November 11, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the sense that Georgia's ploy was incompetently planned and executed, it was clearly a neo-con hatchling. Shashkianidiot is a neo-con as it is.
The guy tried to stooge us, and should be vilified.
November 10, 2008 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think this is a well-researched or particularly revealing article, as it leaves too many loose threads.
I reported pretty extensively on the Rose Revolution in Georgia on my blog, and one thing that was very clear to me from everything I heard was that there were two big sources of funding for Saakashvili's supporters:
1 > George Soros
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Revolution
2> USAID, both from the Republicans and Democrats, with the goal of promoting democracy.
This isn't to say that Republicans couldn't be involved in some sort of dirty tricks regarding this matter, but the big issue to ask is to what extent does the Republican agenda differ from Democrats on this issue?
George Soros, as you all might be aware, is a major Democratic fundraiser. He put up a lot of the money for sites like MoveOn.org, for instance. Does that mean that there is a branch of the Democratic Party that supported the conflict too? If so, why? After all, it was ill-timed and ill-concieved, and *STILL* endangers the flow of oil to our western allies through Georgia's pipeline infrastructure. Where's the victory in that?!
I don't ask these questions as a way of dismissing the idea offhand, but really... Republicans *controlled* the attacks? Why would Georgia happily get themselves into a military conflict that they could not clearly win? Why did Georgia attack while their best troops were in Iraq? What about the verified phone intercepts that came out indicating that Russian forces were moving armed vehicles into S. Ossetia before the conflict started? What about the general lack of widespread civilian casualties that the Russians were reporting initially as their rationale for a full-scale invasion? They literally claimed mere hours after the invasion that there were thousands of dead civilians... ones that they never verified at night, before they gave the order to send their troops in the following morning! Where are the bodies?!
I don't deny that the Bush administration gave Georgia a lot of support and encouragement, like it does all its satellites... and we *KNOW* that Georgia was getting special treatment in exchange for being one of the few remaining coalition partners in Iraq. Obviously, the payoff was supposed to be connected to U.S. approval for their NATO bid. But Hayden is showing us lots of smoke and invective, but precious little fire here.
If he cares to flesh out his theories and answer these nagging questions, really... that would be helpful!
November 10, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
A simple yet profoundly game-changing move by President Obama would be the abolition by executive order of all "cost-plus" contracting in our military and secret military agencies.
November 11, 2008 6:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
A simple yet profoundly game-changing move by President Obama would be the abolition by executive order of all "cost-plus" contracting in our military and secret military agencies.
November 11, 2008 6:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't hold your breath waiting for Obama to take ANY progressive action on foreign policy. He won't even stop torture, rendition, and other overt crimes. He certainly won't restore civil liberties in the USA.
I voted for him because of the Supreme Court--with the HOPE that his appointees will amount at least to damage control . . . although we shall see.
If you think he's any different from other politicians, you've been gulled. Barack Obama is no Russell Feingold or Paul Wellstone. He had the potential, once, but has not encountered enough adversity in his political career to WANT to make any profoundly progressive changes.
Watch---he won't even lead on election reforms, so essential to curtail an orchestrated Thug resurgence accomplished by rigging elections and suppressing votes.
November 11, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
So much rank speculation, so little grasp of facts. Leave aside the as-yet-to-be-determined circumstances of August 7 and 8. What simple facts does Hayden get wrong?
It's the International Republican Institute, not the "Republican Democracy Institute."
Neither Ajaria nor Upper Kodori were "separatist enclaves." Ajaria is an autonomous republic within Georgia, which was run by a tinpot warlord; it had not sought to secede from Georgia. Upper Kodori was the only part of the Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia not under the control of the de facto authorities in Sokhumi; it was controlled by a local mini-warlord until the Georgian Government established order there.
The BTC pipeline bypasses the Russian Federation; as it traverses Azerbaijan and Georgia, it does not "bypass the former Soviet Union."
Since I left Santa Monica for Tbilisi, I was hopeful that I'd never have to hear from Tom Hayden again. It seems that there is no sanctuary from his sanctimony.
--Jonathan Kulick
November 11, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG IN EVERYTHING YOU CLAIM IN YOUR RESPONSE. EVERYTHING.
November 11, 2008 4:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
kulio.
Several questions for you if you don't mind.
Why was the BTC pipeline shut down two days in advance of the attacks? In order to clear the line of volatiles, so to speak? Do you know which Belgian PR firm was in place to provide the foreign media with official disinfo and inspiring tableaus?
Is the Pankisi gorge still no mans land?
You are picking at nits that have nothing to do with the truth that this crisis was engineered by Saakashvili and co?, despite the fact that he was warned not to take on Putin it by both the Bush administration and his Israeli advisors.
The Israeli media, BTW, was the first to report on the pre-planned nature of the incident. As well they should have as Israeli involvement in Georgia went up to the highest levels of the Georgian government. They were quick to sketch out the degree of Israeli activities in Georgia; and in particular their scaling back and disavowal of any involvement/culpability for Misha's ill-conceived adventure.
When it came to Israel's relationship with Russia, her pragmatism trumped the lesser national interests in Georgian contracts for Israeli armaments, advice, training, etc.
Your strawman patrol deployed in order to discredit a messenger shooting yet another arrow into Saakashvili's pincusioned credibility does nothing to divert from the essential truth of his reckless behavior. It's one thing to ignore the advice of the US State Dept, it's quite another to poopoo the unambiguous warnings of retired IDF commanders, trainers, Israeli security specialists and liasons.
Given that Saaka's support is based on the Georgians' collective belief that Russia was at fault, it's imperative that the fiction continue be sold in order to prop up his shaky grasp on power:
"A September poll conducted by the U.S.-based, government-funded International Republican Institute indicated support for Saakashvili and his government was higher than before the war. A majority of those polled _ 52 percent _ said that they would vote for Saakashvili if elections were held the following Sunday. That figure was up from 34 percent in February.
Ana Jelenkovic, an analyst at The Eurasia Group, said the numbers likely point less to Saakashvili's popularity than to the opposition's failure to present a coherent, attractive message.
"There's ample room for a political opposition, but that political space simply hasn't been filled," she said.
The poll showed that most Georgians support Saakashvili's main defense of the war: that Russia started it.
According to the survey, 84 percent of Georgians believe that 'Georgia reacted to Russian military aggression in South Ossetia,' compared with 9 percent who said that Georgia started the war."
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=105&pid=0&sid=1513120&page=1
As you said, kulio, the wheels haven't come off the bus yet. But if the tide of Georgian public opinion turns to the sure knowledge that their leader endangered their country, it won't be long before Georgians overturn it themselves and sack the erratic driver.
The next time, they won't need as much help from foreigners and outside interests.
Be that as it may, it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibiliy that some neocons behaving badly could have done yet another bit of ignorant strategerizing involving military assets. It's their MO.
I noted with interest that a highly aggrieved heads-up about Joe Biden ignoring the DoD and jumping the gun to race to Tbilisi was published in the Weekly Standard. Lindsay Graham and Lieberman were following orders and holding back. Naturally, Biden was suspected of shining up his VP FP creds.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/08/biden_to_tbilisi.asp
Why the Weekly Standard should be the first to know all about Biden's plans is curious, que no? Did Saaka snitch? What did he and Biden chat about in Milwaukee during their two hour visit at the Pfister Hotel on September 26?
Scroll down for the pool report which includes:...."(Saakashvili mumbles and trails off)." and other things of interest:
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/26/ap-error-biden-does-in-fact-allow-press-into-meeting/
Oh well. It's actually a good lesson for Obama regarding conflicting narratives when it comes to any given US FP issue. Although Obama is not as maleable as some would prefer, we shall see if he can correct course.
November 12, 2008 4:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Several questions for you if you don't mind.
Why was the BTC pipeline shut down two days in advance of the attacks?
*Because there was an explosion at a gate valve in Turkey.
In order to clear the line of volatiles, so to speak?
*Accident or PKK--not my line of work. I rather suspect it's not yours, either.
Do you know which Belgian PR firm was in place to provide the foreign media with official disinfo and inspiring tableaus?
*Aspect Consulting. Gee, imagine that--a country with aspirations to NATO and the EU has a fancy Belgian PR firm.
Is the Pankisi gorge still no mans land?
*Nope, thanks to GTEP. It's quite lovely--I recommend visiting in May or June.
November 12, 2008 7:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
kulio.
Thanks for your replies.
I'm very impressed that the Pankisi has been turned into a tourist attraction in such a short period of time! Are there B&B's and/or hostels set up for those who wish to explore the terrain on foot and interact with the colorful locals? No more a smugglers/kidnappers/assassins/terrorist paradise, eh?
BTW. It wasn't the actions of Aspect Consulting in regards to promoting Georgian NATO aspirations that amused me. It was their lame efforts to shape the narrative of plucky Saakashvili's injured innocence. Come on. You can admit they blew it with claims that Russian jets were bombing the hell out of Tbilisi and the like.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4518254.ece
The accident or whatever at the Turkish gate was most fortuituous in it's timing as another accident involving the Georgian leg of the pipeline during hostilities could have been dangerous if it were running at capacity. One need not be an "expert" to understand that as we certainly saw the results of countless similiar accidents in northern Iraq.
Another question or two or.....
Does Tbilisi have easier winters now in terms of reliable and consistant supplies of electicity and other energy resources?
What do you think of the Russian suggestion that the Finns mediate between Georgia and themselves?
What do you think of Turkish efforts to form a regional coalition consisting of themselves, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia and Russia ie the establishment of the "Caucasus Stability and Cooperation Platform" ?
(There has been movement of regional actors in the ME eschewing US sponsorship/guidance in addressing local problems that has shown some success.)
kulio.
Regardless of the fact that you registered @ TPM solely in order to toss spitballs at Tom Hayden, I hope you stick around and participate in discussions about the Caucasus, etc.
November 12, 2008 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another question or two or.....
Does Tbilisi have easier winters now in terms of reliable and consistant supplies of electicity and other energy resources?
*Much easier. Thanks to a gas deal with Azerbaijan and investment in domestic infrastructure, it's warm and bright here in the winter. If you can afford gas and electricity, which many can't.
What do you think of the Russian suggestion that the Finns mediate between Georgia and themselves?
*The Finns are trustworthy. I don't think, though, that they have enough clout to benforce the terms of mediation.
What do you think of Turkish efforts to form a regional coalition consisting of themselves, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia and Russia ie the establishment of the "Caucasus Stability and Cooperation Platform" ?
*This idea has been kicked around for a long time, to no avail, and the model for such an arrangement, in Southeast Europe, has collapsed. I wouldn't call it a "coalition," and I don't see why Russia would want to participate, but it may contribute to Turkish-Armenian reconciliation, and it can't hurt to try.
Regardless of the fact that you registered @ TPM solely in order to toss spitballs at Tom Hayden, I hope you stick around and participate in discussions about the Caucasus, etc.
*I registered a few years ago.
November 14, 2008 2:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
1. Can the USA recover the money that we promised Georgia...or did it come from a GOP campaign fund.
2. When Obama was asked his opinion...was he fully informed, or was he going on what the media was spinning. I believe that he will not be "gamed" again...now that he is sitting on top of the hill. What some see as "indecision" is really taking the time to get ALL the critical information before making a decision - like SEND IN THE TROOPS - LESSON LEARNED!!!
3. I find it sad to think that the GOP was willing to "start a war" to win an election...but I think there was a movie based on that concept...surely they aren't that unimaginative?!
November 11, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Us has a very heavy hand in Georgia as well as almost ALL the wars that have taken place around the globe. NO SURPRISE THERE AT ALL.
November 11, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm going to have to agree with Kulio here. The authors shows a shocking level of unfamiliarity with the subject matter, and yet expects us to believe that he has some sort of insight into the matter at hand. In the course of a couple of paragraphs, the author demonstrates that he does not know the difference between the Russian Federation and the Former USSR, that he does not know the name of the orgnanization that McCain has chaired since the early 1990s, and that he does not understand how Adjara differs from Abkhazia or South Ossetia.
Given all of this, we are expected to believe that he has a detailed understanding of Georgia, GTEP & GSSOP, Saakashvili, IRI, USAID, and the separatist conflicts?
Not convincing. If you can't get the basics right, you can't be trusted with the hard stuff.
November 12, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink