Rahm Emanuel: Nobody Puts That Baby In a Corner
My previous statement on this subject is being vindicated by Jeff Goldberg, the New Yorker writer, a close Emanuel buddy. Read it.
I know plenty of you don't like Goldberg either. But he's pretty progressive on Israel and, I guess because he served in the Israeli army, has no problem telling Israel what it should do i.e. end the occupation.
Bottom line. Rahm Emanuel is going to be the White House enforcer. Forget about his father!
I would not want to be the AIPAC guy who makes the mistake of thinking that good ole Rahm is on the same side AIPAC is. He isn't. Rahm will serve two masters, true. One is the United States. Two, is his President. Any Israeli or lobby figure who implies with a wink that a "brother" should help a brother will be shown the door. (When I worked for Carl Levin, Prime Minister Shamir sent a top embassy guy to our office to complain that Carl was too dovish. He crossed a line in the conversation and Carl literally kicked him out. It made all the papers in Israel).
PS Remember Clinton's complaint that Prime Minister Barak treated him like a "wooden Indian." Even if Netanyahu is Prime Minister, he'll know what the power equation is between a WH chief-of-staff and the prime minister of Israel, let alone a President. If not, charming Rahm will tell him!
Rahm Emanuel? "Nobody puts baby in a corner" (kids, ask your parents what the hell I'm talling about).














I keep saying this same thing, so forgive me everyone who has read it multiple times - but this is Obama's White House and his staff and I don't have to work with them. I'm not 2d guessing his choices.
That said - I love this choice for this position. I think Rahm is a great person for this job. If Obama had chosen an amendable idiot, I wouldn't have liked it, but like I said - it isn't my staff. It's his. I don't know these people to work with them and y'all don't either.
Obama does. It's his staff. I don't get where anyone else thinks they get to make these decisions.
November 8, 2008 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
I second that... not going to play armchair president... certainly not for Chief of Staff... I won't promise not to gripe about cabinet appointments or Supreme Court nominations.
Just think of that... Barack Hussein Obama making SCOTUS nominations.... :D
November 8, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Genius is the ability to put into effect what is on your mind.
The victor belongs to the spoils.
F. Scott Fitzgerald
You are so right it is Obamas Presidency.
It would be pretty stupid if Obama had chosen someone the Republicans would have liked.
I’m sure the Republicans would rather have had a spy in the OBAMA inner circle, someone whose loyalty could be shared or maybe compromised.
Rahm's loyalty to Obama is unquestionable, therefore the perfect choice.
Get over it you Republican wishful thinkers, bent on defiling Obama’s victory.
November 8, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why not Joe Lieberman! He'd have been the perfect choice if Obama had been interested in making Republicans happy.
Unfortunately for Republicans, I don't think Obama cares what the Republicans think of his choice of chef of staff.
November 9, 2008 4:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sure you're just trying to be supportive of Obama, but I feel a little uncomfortable with what you seem to be saying: that our support of Obama should be unquestioning. I doubt that's what he would want; I seem to recall that Obama himself has said that he's not perfect and will make mistakes. Please, please, let's not get into "with us or against us" mode!
November 8, 2008 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem is, how can you have bipartisanship, with exact opposite views of what the role of government is and should do?
Obama and his supporters, the victors of a hotly contested election, who believe that government, should have a role in people’s lives.
Whereas; the opposition Republicans, who see government as the problem.
Should Obama put his trust in someone, who looks to bad mouth the role of government, someone who looks for ways to say see “the evils of government”. With that view it will be a dysfunctional administration.
We the people, endured the mud slinging and the hate, and why should we now say were going to be lukewarm, in our embrace of our positions.
I am hopeful that Obama realizes that he needs to prove that Government is good, and it does work for the people.
He can’t prove it with nay Sayers or those who at every opportunity will look to obstruct, or defile, or undercut with murmurings and grumbling.
No one can serve two masters and please them both.
Can Obama have a successful term with those who do not share his vision.
It’s not just about ability to lead, it’s where are we going
November 8, 2008 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was hardly saying that Obama should appoint a "naysayer," or someone who looks "to obstruct, or defile, or undercut with murmurings and grumbling"...or even a Republican! :) I voted for (and volunteered for) Obama, so I'm hardly one of those anyway. But that doesn't mean I'm going to agree with everything he does, or shut up about it when I don't.
Airing of differences, done in a respectful and thoughtful way, is just what our country needs, in my view. That approach is diametrically opposed to GWB's own "my way or the highway" style, and so can only be a good thing. Isn't that really what Obama has been talking about? ...an open conversation?
November 8, 2008 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
You present a reasonable expectation.
“there is a frustrating of plans where there is no confidential talk, but in the multitude of counselors there is accomplishment.” (Prov. 15:22)
(Proverbs 11:14) 14 When there is no skillful direction, the people fall; but there is salvation in the multitude of counselors
I have confidence that our beloved Obama, will exercise keen insight and will surround himself with qualified counselors, and won't be taken in by wolves in sheep’s clothing.
Obama appears to be interested in spiritual matters, and this could benefit him as well as the Nation.
As you said he admitted he would make mistakes, I think he understands the counsel “Your word is a lamp to my foot, and a light to my roadway.”—Ps. 119:105.
It's also encouraging to hear Obama say he's reading about Lincoln. A President so loved, who loved the scriptures and that made him a formidable President, because who could question and stand against the wisdom from above.
Pray for Obama, to give him strength, to endure the arrows coming hs way.
November 9, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Personally, I have some qualms about Rahm, but what people forget is that 1) he knows all about Repuke BS from his days in the Clinton White House, so he'll be ready to fight back and 2) a lot of members of Congress owe their election to him, so he has a few markers to call in.
As for the qualms anyone might have, I think it's just too early to say. I think we might do well to hold off on criticism until something actually happens. Or, as my father always used to say, "Don't borrow trouble."
November 9, 2008 4:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Charlie Rose aired a part of his past interview with Rahm, Ari & Zeke last night. Great stuff. Growing up, the boys always saw the family refrigerator the first thing inside the door, and it was always covered with their school report cards. Obama made an outstanding choice.
November 8, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Right. He is the best possible choice,
November 8, 2008 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
June, 2008: Emanuel endorsed Obama and accompanied him to a meeting of AIPAC's executive board just after the Illinois senator had addressed [and groveled* before] the pro-Israel lobby's conference last June.
*Obama: "And I know that when I visit with AIPAC, I am among friends."
I bet Emanuel told that AIPAC exercutive board a thing or two!! No holds barred. Old Rahm laid it to 'em, told them he wasn't on the same side*, and they'd better start making nice with the Palestinians. Sure.
*According to MJ.
November 8, 2008 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, it matters what he says in public in a political context. NOT.
Hey, I suspect you prefer that Rahm be bad on the Palestinians. Am In right?
By the way, if Obama was wrong in his choice of c-o-s, then those of us who voted for him may have been wrong too. But we weren't wrong and he isn't wrong.
If you think he is, there is a FACEBOOK impeachment group. Caveat. He can't be impeached until after 1-20-09.
November 8, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, MJ. I don't necessarily agree with Don Bacon and recognize the political realities of dealing with AIPAC during a Presidential election that Obama faced and so cut him some slack on that. Obama was, as I think you noted at the time, the only one of the candidates to speak before AIPAC who seemed to acknowledge the Palestinians as humans, with legitimate aspirations of their own. If Emanuel was a part of that, then good for him.
I do wonder however, now that the AIPAC appearance has been raised as an issue, if it might have been Emanuel himself who advised Obama to make the "undivided" comment, one of the few gaffes Obama made at all during the campaign. I guess we can't know why the statement was made, and even if it were Emanuel who suggested it, it doesn't make me necessarily come to the conclusion that Emanuel is completely wrong for the position. But it does make me worry that Emanuel might be less inclined to provide access to Obama by those whose views he might consider "anti-Israel," but who I myself might be more inclined to see as "pro-Palestinian."
It's possible to be "pro-peace" but support a peace with terms so beneficial to only one side that it's not a real peace at all. I'm hoping that's not Emanuel's own slant.
November 8, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wordie said: "But it does make me worry that Emanuel might be less inclined to provide access to Obama by those whose views he might consider "anti-Israel," but who I myself might be more inclined to see as "pro-Palestinian."
It's possible to be "pro-peace" but support a peace with terms so beneficial to only one side that it's not a real peace at all. I'm hoping that's not Emanuel's own slant.
. . .the worries expressed above are just that, worries, not things I'm sure about. I know about Emanuel primarily through his reputation for being hardnosed and hard-charging. I don't know much about his specific beliefs on how I-P peace should be achieved; that's why I feel uneasy."
This is exactly how I feel. R.E. will be the gateway to Obama. How are his own inclinations going to affect the people to whom he permits access?
November 8, 2008 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Richard Silverstein, who used to occasionally post here at TPM, has an article about the Emanuel appointment at HuffPo: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-silverstein/does-emanuel-appointment_b_142312.html
He says this, which perhaps you'll find reassuring as I did:
I think the experience of the last 8 years has perhaps made many of us overly skittish about U.S. Mideast policy. Silverstein is right; CoS isn't a policy position, and Obama isn't George Bush - he has a mind of his own. I'm going to try to take a wait-and-see attitude, albeit with a bit of unease remaining. I just hope he'll appoint to those positions in his administration dealing with Mideast issues some others who bring new perspectives to resolving the conflicts there.
November 8, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I saw the same article and tried to comment at Huff, but their censorship is taking over. I like this forum much better.
November 9, 2008 12:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Better to have Rahm as CofS - In a position where technically he could be fired, however, in reality with the grip the Israel lobby on the party that might be difficult. However, I think he could do far more damage left alone on the floor of the House, or god-forbid maneuvering himself into Obama's IL Senate seat -- oooohh there would have been some trouble there.
A GPS ankle braclet might come in useful.
November 10, 2008 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I should add that the worries expressed above are just that, worries, not things I'm sure about. I know about Emanuel primarily through his reputation for being hardnosed and hard-charging. I don't know much about his specific beliefs on how I-P peace should be achieved; that's why I feel uneasy.
November 8, 2008 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Many are uneasy too. Worried about his objectivity.
http://mideast.blogs.time.com/2008/11/09/obama-mideast-watch-rahm-emanuel/
November 10, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did everyone catch MJ's take on all the speechifying in the recent nearly billion dollar presidential campaign? It didn't matter.
November 8, 2008 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
But I don't know what the hell you are talking about. Did I mention Rambo. I referred to "Dirty Dancing."
But, hey, I'm just one of those AIPAC types. Whatever.
November 8, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe Obama should have appointed Joe Lieberman instead of Emanuel, I'm sure the Republicans and the MSM would be elated at his "reaching out".
November 8, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Nobody puts baby in a corner" - ah, "Dirty Dancing" - Patrick Swazy (Johnny) to Jennifer Grey (Baby).
Obama is going to get hit upon from many directions, he owes many people debts for his incredible win. Emanuel will be a good door keeper besides being a master of White House and Capitol Hill operations. If Obama is going to get results and lay the foundation for his re-election he has to have someone like Emanuel. Like Rahm or not, he gets results. You just need to keep the wood chipper handy to get rid of the bodies - reminds me of a movie.
November 8, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rahm Israel Emanuel's appointment is the final nail in the coffin of the possibility that Obama might be conciliatory toward Palestine and Iran. Think things can't be worse in the ME after Bush? Think again. The Dems are much more beholden to Israel than the Repubs and they're showing it in spades with Emanuel's appointment.
But, says MJ, let's just forget that Emanuel is the son of a terrorist, a strong supporter of Israel and a friend of AIPAC. Let's not focus on his past performance but on his style. Gotta love Rahm-bo 'cuz he's tough, and he'll be Obama's alpha male.
Hah! Even MJ's drinking the macho Koolaid.
November 8, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please! References to "Dirty Dancing" are much more gay than macho!
November 8, 2008 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
MJ,
I see, you're too young for Rambo (or Rahm-bo, as we say), and confuse it with Dirty Dancing. A hint: Rambo was a war flick and DD was a romance. Ask your parents what the hell I'm talking about.
Or you might ask R.I. Emanuel, although be prepared. Obama said in a speech once that Emanuel would be muted if he lost his middle finger.
November 8, 2008 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jeffrey Goldberg is right. Rahm Emmanuel no doubt does have the will to tell the Israeli Prime Minister to dismantle outposts and settlements that are ILLEGAL UNDER ISRAEL'S OWN LAWS. That is far, far different than telling the democratically elected leader of Israel to withdraw entirely from the West Bank or to tear down a wall which has prevented Israeli civilians from being blown up while they eat a pizza in Jerusalem.
November 8, 2008 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's all not forget that COS is an administrative position, that the job is to organize and implement the President's agenda and control the flow of things and people which go in and out of the Oval Office. Except as that control can influence the POTUS, which I am confident Obama will not allow to be too restrictive, it is not a policy position.
The important thing to know about Rham is that he is smart, organized and tough. His policies and his ties to Israel matter much, much less.
November 8, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's not all forget that MJ is making quite the opposite point, that Emanuel won't be just an agenda administrator but will be the White House enforcer. What will Emanuel enforce? The primacy of Israel-first proponents, obviously.
November 8, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, Don. Me, being the Israel-firster I am, supports Rahm because he is one.
Honest to God, you are entitled to your opinions. I agree with alot of them.
But after 300 or so posts here, can any TPMer who has ever read my stuff think I'm some AIPAC guy. Call me anything else....not that!!!!
November 8, 2008 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
MJ,
I know what you are, and it's our sworn duty to keep you honest when you waver. You have digressed from the true path in the past with your genuflecting after Obama's groveling AIPAC speech, and here you go again praising this terrible appointment, offering as some kind of evidence:
Now who would guess that a close Emanuel buddy would endorse your praises of Emanuel? And more importantly (and more seriously) who would guess that any sympathy you had for the oppressed Palestinian people has vaporized as a victim of political expedience?
November 8, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don, I have been openly unambiguously and aggressively supporting Obama since before he was a candidate. He won 5 days ago. Sorry. I'm still ecstatic.
I spent the day in Leesburg, Virginia and literally thanked people in the street. I'm psyched!
November 8, 2008 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
from a letter to The Nation:
You know that participation in our democracy begins with voting, but it does not end there. You know that it includes being an educated and engaged voter, learning about the issues and the candidates, and fighting for what you believe in. We will not always agree, but Senator Obama will always tell you where he stands and why. --The Obama Campaign
November 8, 2008 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm still struggling with this. There's something at the Electronic Intifada outlining the history of Emanuel's support for Israel that gives me pause:
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article9939.shtmlI dunno...even if Emanuel won't be formulating policy as part of his CoS responsibilities, doesn't his appointment maybe send the wrong message? Wouldn't someone whose support of Israel is so deep and strong be disinclined to act in an entirely evenhanded manner in his responsibilities as Obama's gatekeeper? Or maybe even not aware of how an evenhanded approach might differ from his own beliefs and instincts? I do trust Obama's judgement, but I remember that "undivided" gaffe at AIPAC. It tells me Obama may not be aware of the many, many delicate nuances of the I-P conflict, and that has me worried still. He shouldn't rely on someone like Emanuel, imo, to supply the background details he lacks, or screen those who he should speak to about the conflict.
That said, I'm not convinced that Emanuel was necessarily a complete mistake. There may be lots of other good reasons - other than ones relating to Israel - that he may be just right for the job. It's just that there seem to be some questions about how he might perform in the job when whatever issue at hand might have an effect on Israel, given his past actions. Perhaps Obama is completely aware of Emanuel's biases toward Israel, and is prepared to compensate for them in some way. Or maybe they had a talk and laid out some ground rules. We can't know.
What more can you tell me, MJ? I think you've spoken out against some of the things that it appears Emanuel supports. Why are you so convinced that this appointment is a good idea?
November 8, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
from the Wayne Madsen Report (subscriber only)
November 6, 2008 -- Obama faced with security problem at outset of transition process
WMR has learned from informed U.S. intelligence sources that prospective Barack Obama White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has an active FBI counter-intelligence file maintained on him. Emanuel's rise to the Chief of Staff position may pose a significant security problem for President-elect Obama if the FBI insists on conducting the full background security investigation normally required for senior White House officials.
Questions about Emanuel's links to the Israeli intelligence service, the Mossad, were allegedly so great that President Bill Clinton was forced to dismiss Emanuel from the White House staff in 1998. One of the FBI agents who discovered Emanuel's dealings with Israeli intelligence was, according to our sources, the late FBI counter-terrorism Assistant Director John O'Neill. O'Neill retired after being set up in a smear operation involving a temporarily stolen brief case in 2001. O'Neill and another FBI agent who still works for the bureau and shall remain nameless at this point to protect him and his career discovered that Emanuel was heavily involved in the decision to place intern Monica Lewinsky close to President Clinton. O'Neill accepted the top security position for Kroll Associates at the World Trade Center. O'Neill was killed in the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center. WMR has also reported that O'Neill was a close friend of slain retired Houston CIA station chief Roland V. "Tony" Carnaby, who was similarly investigating Israeli intelligence operations in the Houston area when Houston police shot and killed him last April.
Emanuel reportedly had knowledge of Israeli intelligence penetration of White House communications systems and Lewinsky, in sworn testimony before the Office of Independent Counsel, stated: "He [Clinton] suspected that a foreign embassy [it is now known that embassy was that of Israel] was tapping his telephones, and he proposed cover stories." Lewinsky continued, "If ever questioned, she should say that the two of them were just friends. If anyone ever asked about their phone sex, she should say that they knew their calls were being monitored all along, and the phone sex was just a put on."
WMR has learned from U.S. intelligence sources that Emanuel was discovered to be part of a political intelligence and blackmail operation directed against Clinton by Israel's Likud Party and Binyamin Netanyahu to sink Clinton's proposed Middle East peace deal. We have also learned that the FBI investigation of Emanuel is part of a file code-named the "Mega file." "Mega" is a reference to a top-level Mossad agent in the Reagan administration who was said to have run a number of Israeli agents, including U.S. Navy spy Jonathan Pollard.
November 8, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Monica a plant?? Impossible.. (snicker).
Thanks for posting this I like Madsen's columns. I used to read him a lot before he went subscription and he has been proven right about many things over the years. There are so many obscure layers to events of the last 30 years that I'm sure we will never know the truth.
One thing for sure is you cant get elected in this country without passing the AIPAC test.
November 9, 2008 12:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Forget about Rahm's father's racist remarks?
Unfortunately, it's too late for that as they've already damaged Obama's reputation in the Arab world.
A respected participant on Johua Landis Syria Comment blog offered the following:
"There’s no doubt his father’s statement was completely racist. I would have given Rahm Emanuel the benefit of the doubt (as I hinted in earlier comments), but would expect at the very least some clear condemnation of his father’s comment, and immediately, not 5 weeks later, when Obama reminds Rahm that there are some 1 billion Muslims in this world that he cannot ignore, and another few billion who reject racism outright. I’m actually glad Ma’ariv published his comment (I think it was first to do so, in Hebrew), and that it caused waves of coverage thereafter. Let Obama see firsthand just how sensitive his choices and his actions will have to be during his term in office."
The above comment is from an Israeli.
The Israeli left consistantly demonstrates more realism and courage than their erstwhile "progressive" protectors in the US. Given that they actually live there in real life, guess whose opinions should matter more?
November 8, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
You remember, MJ Rosenberg used to champion the Israeli left. The old MJ.
November 8, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
So.
What is Jeffrey Goldberg, a battered wife in denial or what?:
"I've known Rahm for a long time, and he's yelled at me for no good reason on many occasions. This, of course, is the way he expresses affection."
Ya, honey. You betcha.
November 8, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The last leading American political figures who understood that there are, on occasion, serious divergences of interest between the US and the current government of Israel were Pres. George H.W. Bush and his Secretary of State, Jim Baker. They played hardball with Israel's Likud PM Yitzhak Shamir back in 1991, at a time when Shamir wanted to get $10 billion worth of US loan guarantees and Bush and Baker sought to condition that aid on Israel not proceeding with plans to yet further expand its colonialist settlement project in the occupied territories.
Oh yes, 1991 was also the year that Mr. Emanuel took time off from being an American and went and served with Israel's military. That happened, I think, a little earlier than the contest of wills between Bush and Shamir broke out in full force. But still, it was a period when many people understood that you might have to make a choice between the two affiliations. He made his."
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And all this defense of Emanual on a site where the name of Rashid Khalidi never even came up, until the editors were forced to defend him from Republican attacks. As Helena Cobban -another name unmentioned here by anyone but me until recently- asks: how about Khalidi for a post?
Even a post at TPM?
Neither are going to happen.
November 9, 2008 12:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
American policy regarding the Arab/Israeli conflict is not determined by who the COS in the White House is, or other such factors.
There will not be a peace agreemnent in 2010, and there won't be one at the end of Obama's Presidency, whether after 4 or 8 years. Even if Ram Emanual wasn't COS, but rather an Arab, and Arabs were appointed to the ME negotiating team instead of Dennis Ross and even if an Arab were Secretary of State, it still wouldn't matter. This is because the Arabs will NOT agree to any peace terms that Obama and the most Leftist Israeli gov't could agree to. Why is this? Because the Palestinians don't want a state, they want to get rid of Israel. They are engaged in a long term war of attrition which includes both terror act as well as "negotiations". You don't believe me? This is what the FATAH-controlled Palestinian Authority tells its own citizens, (camouflaging it somewhat in their statements to the foreign press and diplomats) and what HAMAS says quite openly. MJ keeps hiding these facts, because he wants people to think Israel is the intransigent party, whereas we know that Barak, Olmert and Livni have all agreed to return more or less to the pre-67 borders. Thus, the problem is NOT territorial, it is existential, and MJ can't handle that.
November 9, 2008 5:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
YBD is, of course, absolutely correct. The Palestinians do not want an Israeli state at all in the centre of the Muslim Middle East, controlling their roads, manning their border crossings, rationing their water and humiliating them at every turn whilst constantly reinforcing Israeli hegemony over the region.
OTOH the Israelis in the shape of right-winger Likudnik, Bibi Netanyahu, have every intention of implementing his covert agenda of the transfer of all Palestinians out of the West Bank and Gaza into Jordan - as soon as Likud can regain power.
Answer? Move the entire Israeli population across the Atlantic to South Dakota where there is plenty of land, plenty of water and no necessity for a massive nuclear arsenal! Give everyone compensation to move, which will cost just a fraction of current US aid and there is a WIN-WIN situation all round! No problem!
You may think that this proposal is not serious - but you would be wrong.
World peace is vastly more important than political Zionism. And so are human rights.
November 9, 2008 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
MJ is engaging in some deeply, deeply wishful thinking here. When Obama gave his AIPAC speech on the day after he clinched the nomination, he capitulated completely to the AIPAC agenda. And when he then met separately with the AIPAC governing board, he had Rahm Emmanuel accompany him to the meeting. That tells you all you need to know about how trusted Rahm Emmanuel is by AIPAC: he acted as Obama's sponsor among the AIPAC poobahs. MJ may claim to be able to descry all sorts of subtle micro-differences among the different species of hardline Zionists, but in the end these differences don't amount to much.
It was humiliating having to watch Obama being forced the grovel in that way. But grovel he did. His capitulation was preceded by a long campaign of anti-Obama vilification in the Jewish community, and to get elected he was finally forced to surrender to US domestic political reality and sell his soul. I have substantial hopes for his administration, but only because most of the issues he will be dealing with don't have anything to do with that one miserable little corner of the world in the eastern Mediterranean.
I do expect Obama to try to work hard on this issue, but I don't find any rational basis for hope of any kind of plan that will be acceptable to a majority of Palestinians and that at the same time has a chance of getting through a White House run by Rahm Emmanuel, or of breaking out of the yoke of subservient commitments to which Obama has been forced to subject himself. So I think we can look forward to at least four more years of Palestinians getting it in the ass from the US and Israeli tag team.
November 9, 2008 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
I sure hope you're wrong, Dan. It's worthwhile to remember that at the time, not only were there all those ugly rumors about Obama, but Clinton was considered far and away the better candidate for Israel (remember Rosner's Haaretz poll?) so Obama may genuinely have needed Emanuel's assistance just to reassure the AIPAC folks that he wasn't going to press a Hamas/Hezbollah-friendly agenda.
I'm still puzzling about that "undivided" gaffe though. I wonder who suggested that Obama use the term, and also who suggested that he retreat from it soon after it was uttered. The answers to those two questions could give us a lot of insight into the sort of CoS Emanuel might be. Care to speculate?
November 9, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wordie.
I too am still puzzled by the "undivided" gaffe before AIPAC and the quick backtracking.
What it suggests to me is that Obama didn't understand the potential impact of his remark. Could that be possible? Given that so many of Obama's statements on the situation vis a vis the I/P conflict and the wider ME are so completely off base, it troubles me no end that his distorted pictures of reality are due to deliberative ignorance fostered by his vetted/approved advisors on the issues.
How ironic to hope that it's pure political expediency talking.
At this point, I'm beginning to think that the only avenues open to alternative viewpoints will come from informants with enough stature to bypass the gatekeepers. Hagel is one such person; Colin and Condi are two more sources of embargoed information about the real roadblocks to peace in the ME.
Best of all are world leaders eager to engage Obama. The likes of Sarkozy, Medevev, Erdogan, Zapatero and now, Aussie PM Rudd (adjusting course headings on Israel at the UN) will not be disuaded by the likes of a(i)pacmember and his "friends". Even if one of "them" is Bill Clinton as a(i)pacmember claims. ;>}
November 9, 2008 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wouldn't try to blame this on Obama being duped by clever advisers, lally. Obama is as sharp as they come, and surely knew what he was doing. The good ship Obama faced months of incoming fire and overt and covert shots across the bow from the friends of Israel here in the US, until it had escalated to the point where his campaign was in serious jeopardy of being sunk. He made a decision that he had no option but to run up the white flag and let himself be escorted as a captive into the AIPAC port.
Nobody has enough stature to bypass the gatekeepers. Jimmy Carter, a highly respected former president tried it, and they ostracized him, vilified him and turned his name to mud. Obama was forced to keep Carter at arms length throughout the campaign.
Obama started out like a lot of well-meaning and intellectually honest politicians thinking that he could get away with talking on occasion about the sufferings of the Palestinians along with the sufferings of the Jews, and imagining that he could adopt a policy rooted in evenhanded justice and history. That's over. The hardliners own Obama's ass now. They also own your ass and my ass. They even own MJ's ass, despite the fact that he is allowed to indulge his ineffectual alternatives to AIPAC, and dream that his handwringing about the "peace process" will ever end up in a different place than the place the hardliners are aiming at.
November 9, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your thoughts on the "undivided" comment seem to echo my own. There just doesn't seem to be an explanation I can feel entirely comfortable with; neither the ignorance nor expediency possibilities bode well for the hope of a just peace. The best hope is that Obama is smart enough to realize that any supposed "peace deal" that would favor the Israelis to the point of breaking up the nascent Palestinian state into isolated Bantustans (under the banner of security for Israel) has no hope of actually resolving the conflict. (Too bad many liberal supporters of Israel, even those who say they favor a two state solution, fail to recognize that reality.)
If Israel really wants peace, it's best hope is in offering a deal that the Palestinians can feel really good about and one in which they believe that what they had to give up was matched by concessions from the Israeli side. And any such deal should include an immediate infusion of cash to provide jobs and infrastructure rebuilding. That's the only kind of peace deal that would empower the moderates of Palestinian society and sideline the hardliners; a lopsided agreement would only fuel further resentments and more terror.
Let's just hope Obama is aware of the biases of people like Emanuel and Ross, and is prepared to correct for them.
November 10, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Colindale-
I have a better idea. Why not move the Palestinians to London? You are the ones who gave us the Balfour Declaration. After seeing how our (i.e. we Jews) "human rights" were protected by "world opinion" in the 20th century, that is the best thing you can do for you concern for "human rights".
After all, "world peace is more important than Palestinian nationalism" which was invented in 1948-before that "Palestinian" meant Jew, the Arabs rejected the term.
November 9, 2008 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
er ... I do believe you've smartly side-stepped both the facts on the ground and my very sensible proposals, YBD! Too many have wasted thousands upon thousands of hours debating the historical events of the past. I don't do history!
I do solutions. And a transposition to South Dakota solves a lot of major problems. BTW if not South Dakota, then North Dakota would, I guess, be acceptable! You do need to focus on the actual benefits: virtual peace in the ME; a substantial reduced burden for the US taxpayer; the focus for worldwide terrorism removed; a dismantling of the 6th most powerful nuclear arsenal in the world and so on and so on.... Don't be so uptight! Think outside the box and reject sarcasm! You will feel better and sleep more easily.
November 9, 2008 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
That sounds like a good solution, but you are ignoring the huge negative impact of moving Israelis to the U.S., for one that would mean bringing over the Russian Israeli Mafia.
"Unofficial sources say 80% of Russian banks are controlled either directly or indirectly by criminals." BBC news
"The downfall of communism left an economic, moral and social vacuum which the mafia has been only too happy to fill.".......
"Another favourite target is Israel. Many Russian gangsters claim to be of Jewish origin, in order to get an Israeli passport. The Russian mafia is said to have poured £2.5bn ($4bn) into the Israeli economy."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1998/03/98/russian_mafia/70095.stm
"The BBC's Kevin Connolly investigates the Russian mafia's covert invasion of Israeli society.
There are alarming signs that the Russian mafia has taken over the Israeli underworld and is using the country to launder its vast profits."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/special_report/1998/03/98/russian_mafia/69521.stm
November 10, 2008 3:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Rahm's skills and determination are certianly a good thing in the job of COS.
The problem with Rahm is that his politics is the politics of 20 years ago, meaning he believes it is best to move very slowly and ruffle as few feathers as possible particularly among the business interests which he has faithfully served (see the FISA capitulation that paid off so handsomely for Rahm's campaign warchest balance).
Rahm showed incredibly poor judgement in directing Democratic House candidates in 06 to stay away from the war as an issue as well as Republican corruption. Only in the last few weeks when it became apparent that those were the two big issues with the electorate did Democrats really start to hammer on those two issues. Democratic gains would have been far greater two years ago had they the political courage to go after the Republicans on the war and the corruption issue but they didn't in signifcant part because of Rahm's role in developing and carrying out campaign strategy.
His focus on servicing corporate interests bodes well for him and his prospects after the Obama adminstration. He will be taken care of quite nicely I'm sure. By the same token it does not bode well for the long overdue help the average American family needs on a whole host of issues if Rahm has the ear of President Obama and derails moire liberal efforts in favor of placating corporate interests as was his bent as a member of Congress. On all of the issues important to improving the quality of life and standard of living for average Americans, the corporate interests Rahm so faithfully services have been and will continue to be the primary obstacles for achieving the relief average Americans need and deserve. Let's hope Obama shows the strength of will and character to resist the advice he will surely get from Rahm not to do too much for the little guys because it might make the big boys angry.
I'll be happy if in the coming days and weeks Obama puts some real Democratic liberals in positions of influence and power in the new adminstration but frankly, at this point I doubt we'll see much of that and more's the pity.
November 9, 2008 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm afraid Dan K is correct. This is a disaster putting another Israel-centric ideologue into a postion controlling access to the president's ear. The man summers in Tel Aviv, fer chrissakes. Haven't we learned anything from the neocons?
But I disagree with Dan that this is only about a "miserable little corner of the world in the eastern Mediterranean." 9/11, Iraq, Iran, military spending, deficits, recession, they're all increasingly tangled up in the web of Zionism's spreading impact.
(And how it can even be legal to give top security clearance to someone who has served in another country's army is beyond me.)
P.S. To MJ: Please stop talking about something called a "peace process." Ariel Sharon was for a peace process. What we need to be promoting is justice.
November 9, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've continued to browse the web, looking for more info on the Emanuel appointment. An article at HuffPo by Ray Hanania, "an award winning Palestinian American columnist and Chicago radio talk show host", raised some interesting points. Here's a taste:
Makes sense to me. I hope the others who were worried about the appointment read the article - there's more to it. And check out the comments too. Hanania mentions, for instance, that while Emanuel tends to be harsh, Axelrod, who Obama has also appointed, is a moderating influence.
November 9, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
>every American president must support Israel in order to win election in this country ...
How does it feel to live in a superstate of 300 million that is, in actuality, politically controlled by a tiny country in the eastern Mediterranean and its supporters? A little impotent, perhaps? A little foolish? Just a tad absurd?
November 10, 2008 2:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
I voted for Obama, and yes I snorted the thrills of seeing such touching history being made, and such a hopeful future for the U.S. and it's relation to the world.
Now, the high is wearing off and reality is setting in. It feels like coming down from an acid trip.
Positive emotions following the election of B.O. were so intense that you could feel the energy surging through your body.
Now I feel sick in the sense that so much hope and faith is being invested in B.O., that it feels dangerous.
Obama's appointment of Rahm Emanuel is a little sobering. And while I still want to believe, I realize now that it is time to shed partisan talking points and to wipe the conditioning of a campaign, and to keep a skeptical perspective.
As to wether Rahm is Mossad, not sure, but one thing I know is that it wouldn't be the first time Israel's intelligence infiltrated our government, and I don't think it would be much of a deviation from politics as usual.
November 10, 2008 3:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
I kind of do find it odd that Rahm went to Israel to rust proof brakes in 1991, and then in 1992 he was working for the Clinton administration.
Also it is funny, because Israel didn't participate in the persian gulf war, except vocally. Why didn't Rahm join the U.S. military. What was the dire need for a person with a masters degree in speech and communication to go back to Israel and rust proof brakes on trucks.
He goes to Israel and Rust proofs brakes, then the next year he is a top advisor to president clinton, kind of fishy if you ask me.
By the way Rahm doesn't seam to represent what I interpreted as Obamas message. Rahm seams to be a threatening figure with a unrelenting conquest for power. He is reported to unofficially issue death threats to his opponents.
Some say is hardline tactics of using fear and offensive action against his opponents will be a good thing. But what of when Obama cannot stand up to him without fear.
November 10, 2008 4:12 AM | Reply | Permalink