Here Comes the Sun
If you watch the video, you readily see that we could be in much worse trouble. At any rate, both of these can be true at the same time:
1. Public opinion is mired in center-right ideology.
2. President O can lead the nation to progressive policies.
The truth of the first assertion has erupted into a partisan kerfuffle. Conservatives and Democrats-without-ambition invoke it to forestall liberal reforms. Liberals resist it to uphold Obama's mandate. By contrast, thinking radicals recognize it, the better to clarify the struggle ahead. As a simple tactical matter, there's a lot to be said for your reach exceeding your grasp.
Is it true? Obviously it depends on how you define center-right. It's a new day in America, so you can have whatever definitions you like. You might define it in relativist terms. People have voted against Republicans, nay voted notwithstanding (or because of?) charges that the winner had redistributionist motives. In this sense there is a shift to the left. But where does that leave us? Further left, but compared to what? Relative criteria indicate direction but not location. For location, just how liberal is public opinion, we need a broader perspective.
We could boil it down to two points. Compared to other industrial countries, the U.S. has a small public sector (as a share of GDP) and a large defense establishment (compared to everyone else, put together). A constructive definition of "liberal left" is the view that these disparities are also deficiencies, hindrances to the general welfare. In this vein, "center-left" is not very meaningful, like jumbo shrimp or sex without guilt. We need to reverse the drift towards private affluence/public squalor, which commends a turn away from Empire.
From where I sit, the public has not yet cottoned onto the same conclusion, hence I conclude its view is center-right. Obama did not campaign on, could not campaign on the premises that the Gov should grow and defense spending (sic) should shrink. I believe he can bring the country around to this view, if he tries. I think, hope, he will try. My fear is that when he talks about not hashing over the ancient controversies of the 60s, he really means skirting such basic questions. We'll see.
There is the view that the public is plenty progressive already, it's just that Democratic politicians are pussies and sell-outs who are afraid to do the right thing. I would say mendacity is distributed all along the political spectrum. The political system is what it is. There is progress and regress. Now things are looking up. Events and agitation can move us forward.
Without doubt, there is a lot of loose change, no pun intended, lying around to do some wonderful things absent a bigger Gov and smaller defense budget, and I think Obama will do those things and we will be better off for it. For some Democrats this will be fine. BUT I WANT MORE. Clinton the Sequel is not interesting, not transformational. And I think a case can be made that more will be urgently necessary. Here's why, in a nutshell.
To fix health care, fully fund education, rebuild infrastructure, and develop sustainable energy sources, a lot of dough will be needed. Some of it can be carved out of the defense budget, and out of the inflated prices of medical services (doctors, patents on drugs and high-tech equipment, health insurance administration). Attacking these sources makes for very difficult politics; any shortfalls will require more tax revenue. You can deny the public is center-right, but you would be hard put to say the public is ready for what's needed. In this sense, Democratic voters are in the same dreamland about taxes as the rest of the country. (In the ancient 80s, George Will used to say we as a nation were undertaxed.)
People want to support Obama, and so do I. Some people will get invested in the inevitable accommodations he makes, some of which will be necessary, others maybe erring on the side of caution (and reelection in 2012). In so doing, they are apt to crap on principled criticism. It is possible to be supportive and critical at the same time. FDR understood that. As Bob Borosage notes, one of his arguments concluded thusly:
"I agree with you," Roosevelt reportedly told labor's Sidney Hillman. "Now go out, and make me to do it."
Maybe you thought the campaign was over. You sent in money, knocked on doors, manned phone banks, obsessed over polls. Sorry.
"We understand it still that there is no easy road to freedom." -- Nelson Mandela

















Supportive but critical. Exactly what we need to be.
November 7, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like your analysis and your prescription. I too hope we can shrink the defense budget and lessen the dangers of empire.
Thanks!
November 7, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, we can't -- 'cause it's all about jobs!
The first two years -- to get us out of the recession.
The next two years -- to get reelected.
November 7, 2008 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've heard a number of times that we're a Center/Right Nation. Speaking in genreral one might get away with that. Babble about low taxes and freedom adn sure, we're center/right. But lets get in the weeds;
A year or two ago we attended a family get together BBQ in Delaware. We're in PA, near Philly. The host family were Limbaugh/Hannity fans as were some of our other relatives. We arrived about noon and about 12:30 I subtly engaged one of the younger Dittohead guests, he was about 23, in a political chat.
I referred to his grandparents, mentioning Social Security, and this youngster thought it was good they had it. I left on a note about sports.
About half hour later I caught up with him again and again slipped into politics chat, and then mentioned his grandparents and Medicare. Again he thought it was good they had the coverage.
And so it went all day, me and him chatting about every half hour on politics, him railing against Liberals, Democrats, radical environmentalists, blah, blah.
During the course of these chats we had I would slip in one of the following programs, then go away only to return later; workplace safety, minimum wage, student loans, child labor laws, collective bargaining, 40 hour work week, Government regulation as a protection against unbridled capitalism, clean air and water, safe pharmaceuticals, etc.
I introduced these subjects not as a challenge, but in a benign way, informational, simply as two people speaking of life's experiences, and as we spoke of each program he agreed with all of them.
Just before we left, about 8:00 PM, I engaged him in one last chat. I went over all we spoke about that day and reminded him how he supported all those programs. I told him they were all introduced and passed by the Liberals in government and fought against by the Conservatives, and that since he supported those programs that makes him a liberal, like me, not a Conservative.
The word "Liberal" needs rescuing, its become a weapon of the right.
I'm a Liberal because I believe that besides providing for the common defense, Government has a role in promoting the general welfare.
November 7, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for your efforts to educate
your young friend and us.
Of course
the right wing has demonized anything
they could regarding liberal (good)
works and leanings.
The populace is so misinformed and
indoctrinated in fear that they
don't know what is left or right.
We've had an up is down world for too
long, and calling things by their
right names will lead us in the right
direction.
Its education across the board that
needs attention, the Obama admin
will address this and more.
November 7, 2008 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
rylly,
this past election showed just how mindless all too many Americans are as they called Obama a Socialist. I guarantee you that if we asked all the people that threw that charge at Obama, not 5% would be able to define "Socialist."
I would ask these asses; if you're really against socialized programs I'm sure you already called your Senator and Rep and demanded they put an end to the one program we have that comes close to Socialism; The Veteran's Administration Medical System.
November 7, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for your efforts to educate
your young friend and us.
Of course
the right wing has demonized anything
they could regarding liberal (good)
works and leanings.
The populace is so misinformed and
indoctrinated in fear that they
don't know what is left or right.
We've had an up is down world for too
long, and calling things by their
right names will lead us in the right
direction.
Its education across the board that
needs attention, the Obama admin
will address this and more.
November 7, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I'm a Liberal because I believe that besides providing for the common defense, Government has a role in promoting the general welfare."
Where is the line between promotion and provision? That would seem to be the line between between Socialism and America, when it comes to the general welfare.
Economic stimulus "rebates" strike me as crossing the line to the wrong side.
November 7, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Christ,
the old "Socialism" line, heh?
I suggest you look up the word "Socialism", then come back and tell me what you've learned, then tell me how anyone today is promoting socialism.
As I said above, the closest thing we have to
Socialism is the Veteran's Administration Medical System and I know of no one who is suggesting another program like that. Unless I'm wrong, you don't like Socialism, have you contacted your
political representatives and asked them to repeal this Veteran's program?
Don't confuse Social Programs with Socialism.
November 7, 2008 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, it still kind of amazes me people some can't grasp the difference. It's the result of decades of simplistic dogma and ditto heads, of brainwashing rather than educating.
November 7, 2008 11:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
1. Public opinion is mired in center-right ideology.
2. President O can lead the nation to progressive policies.
The two assertions clarify the meaning of transformative: shifting the center. Reagan did it, and Obama won't undo it without being pressed. At the same time, those to the left of Clinton must make the case to the public for a new center. That campaign is the one that must continue between the elections.
November 7, 2008 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely, I've been saying you need to convince the public of the value of liberal ideas. That takes courage and conviction. Know what you stand for and learn to argue the value of those principles.
November 7, 2008 8:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSSIlx9hiu8
November 7, 2008 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
really nice. the original is still in my top five though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUS49XSN6Zs
November 7, 2008 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
rotwang,
thanks for that video and the others to choose from at the end. My wife and I watched a number of them for the nostalgia. We remember the songs well, but the visuals really hit home for me.
I found The White Cliffs of Dover on that site, one of my favorites, as was Lili Marleen.
You caused me to look for another old song on YouTube, something I never thought of in this particular case.
When our Division was being pulled out of Normandy and going back to England we boarded an LST already loaded with a bunch of German POWs. Not long after we got into the channel the Germans started singing what we later learned was "Horst Wessel", and that melody stuck with many us all throughout the war. Regardless of where we were or under what conditions, it was never surprising to hear someone whistling that tune. I added the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYIU09o1gsI
November 7, 2008 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Wessel
November 7, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
. . . the Germans started singing what we later learned was "Horst Wessel" . . . .
Neat way to "dis" your unsuspecting captors while maintaining Kameradschaftsgeist, eh?
November 7, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Germans probably had their version of John Philip Sousa. Try to find that song they sung, Panzerlied, in the movie The Battle of the Bulge.
I can't say for sure but it seemed as though they liked marching as much as we saw it as a pain in the ass. Even their surrender columns were marched to a certain extent.
November 8, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ellen,
Oh, and yes, they were "dissing" us.
November 8, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
"I agree with you," Roosevelt reportedly told labor's Sidney Hillman. "Now go out, and make me to do it."
That quote is so on point. If the electorate wants change the electorate has to change and start holding leaders in Congress and the Whitehouse accountable. The way to help Obama fulfill his potential to be great it is to keep the pressure on him and everyone in Congress so that he has leverage with those trying to replace what's best for the American people with their own narrow agendas. He and Congress members have got to be able to say, "look at the numbers, we'll all get voted out if we don't do what is in the best interest of the country this time."
Rotwang, Great post.
November 7, 2008 9:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
One of the ways Democrats always stumble when trying to put pressure on the government is that "we" don't all have the same priorities or goals. Those of us who are peaceniks want the Iraq and Afghanistan military activity to cease, almost immediately, but many of us want to continue to try to kill bin Laden. Those of us who believe that it is our bloated military budget that holds everything else back want a substantial cut in military spending, but many of us want to be protected above all else.
Some of us think gay marriage is a liberal issue to be pushed for very hard, but many of us don't see it as a major issue at all. And, don't even think of finding a common ground on "immigration" issues.
I don't have any idea how to get around this problem.
November 7, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hoppycalif2,
Forget about just Democrats, the majority of Americans have many interests in common that they do agree upon and it is wrong to suggest otherwise. The way to productively pressure Obama for the common good is to drive clear priorities where there is consensus and continue debate on the issues we have yet to agree upon.
Just a couple of examples where there is consensus:
Most Americans want economic and tax policy that favors working Americans and small business over the short term interests of international corporations or others with no allegiance to the United States.
Most Americans would prefer to protect our national security by using a broader array of instruments than just military power. (military power as last resort)
To the extent government intervenes in health care, most Americans want that health care to be fair, quality with competitively priced procedures and drugs and not rigged against those unfortunate enough to get sick. (I recently read that Yale New Haven Hospital has been working with their local police and jailing people who could not afford their bills. And those who can't afford health insurance are often randomly charged 10+ times the price that those with insurance pay for the exact same procedures)
I also think few Americans would disagree about the need to ensure our k-12 education is taken off the third-rate list and put on the first-rate list so our country is more competitive in the future. I'd wager most Americans would be willing to take back some of the oil subsidies they've been paying out with their hard-earned tax dollars and put that money toward better education for a stronger country and renewable energy development.
Of course all Democrats and Americans don't have all the same priorities on all issues. But the education, open debate and compromise our system of government was based upon will eventually lead to good policy in the areas where consensus is elusive.
November 8, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
'Tis always a pleasure to hear a certain four-letter-word place badmouthed:
It's not something you expect to see on the books of one of the most well-respected, conservatively run institutions in town: derivatives meant to hedge risk and tied to international banking rates. But the financial instruments on Yale-New Haven Hospital's books, known as "interest-rate swaps," illustrate not only the expansion of cutting-edge financial products into even the most staid institutions but also the far-reaching effects of the recent financial crisis. With the upheaval in markets and the troubles of the other parties in two of Yale-New Haven's transactions - now-defunct Lehman Brothers and struggling AIG - the hospital will likely end up paying more for its bond financing. But the deals are unlikely to slow the hospital's recent building boom, [&c. &c.]
Happy days.
November 10, 2008 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
President O's first term will be as a Moderate to Centrist.
In his second term, President Obama could feel more at liberty to sway to the Left.
The unknown will be whether President Obama ends up in history more like FDR, Ronald Reagan or Bill Clinton.
In the mean time, I would like to see President Obama on a three dollar bill. Jefferson is on the $2.00. If two female presidential candidates battle it out in 2012 or more likely 2016, I think a four dollar bill is available.
November 7, 2008 10:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
During his first term FDR delivered Social Security and unemployment benefits among the many New Deal programs. The election of 1936 was the largest landslide in United States Presidential election history. Roosevelt won all but 8 electoral college votes, and the popular vote went 60.8% to 36.5%. Incidentally taxes on the wealthiest Americans were increased twice more from their already-higher-than-now post-Herbert Hoover rates.
Just a little bit of history from the WABAC machine.
November 9, 2008 2:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
The only hope for major initiatives or any sort of liberal reforms is in the first term. And mark my words, you will know within the first 90 days whether or not Obama will accomplish anything of significance in terms of change. If it doesn't happen then it won't happen at all.
November 9, 2008 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm all for principled criticism, but Rotwang's criticism is based on a fundamental fallacy.
The fallacy is that Obama can't afford to implement his stimulus strategy without making cuts elsewhere. Not so. It's a misunderstanding of the nature of stimulus in economic crisis, monetary supply, and mistakenly presumes a zero sum environment, robbing Peter to pay Paul.
We have an elastic monetary policy for good reason. Exactly for times like this.
Stimulus in a crisis is simply put: allocating new money to exiting wealth which has been undervalued due to market failures. Such as unemployed workers for example still have their skills, they just aren't being utilized.
So no, Obama doesn't need to cut the military or anything else to pay for stimulus. The wealth already exists in our economy, it's just undervalued due to market failures.
The mistake wasn't in keeping rates low. The laissez faire mistake was the presumption markets are always optimal and rational, and resultant failure to target monetary policy into growth infrastructure or even predict the death spiral.
It's critical to understand this is pro-growth stimulus. Programs that are inefficient should be cut on that basis. But, it's unnecessary to cut the military for example to pay for healthcare.
It's not zero sum. We don't have to rob Peter to pay Paul. Pundits really need to educate themselves and stop repeating that myth as though it were a fact.
November 7, 2008 11:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
You misunderstand me. I wasn't talking about stimulus. Short-term there is plenty of space for deficit-financed spending increases. There is no zero-sum issue short term, meaning two or three years.
I was talking long-term. You can't run deficits over two percent of GDP indefinitely. If you do, debt continuously gets bigger relative to GDP and eventually that makes lenders nervous. They're nervous enough already.
I also agree with the thrust of your comment in one sense. I think the extent of idle resources in the economy -- labor -- is usually underestimated. So even long term there is more slack than recognized by the powers that be. That will be part of the struggle.
November 8, 2008 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
We certainly know that the federal government can spend money without actually having it. So, it must be possible to "pay for" health care, infrastructure rebuilding, energy efficiency programs, and a pig in every pot, all while buying a new US Navy, US Airforce and US Army, and rebuilding Iraq and Afghanistan, while simultaneously rescuing the banks, the auto companies, and the middle class. It is only debt, after all.
What is the maximum debt the US government can run up? I have a limit on my credit card, and I know the US government doesn't use a credit card, but surely they can't run up an infinite debt.
November 7, 2008 11:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
You don't seem to understand the difference between real value and money, or why we have an elastic monetary policy.
"Money" is just paper. Chits. It has no real value. The monetary supply expands and contracts in accordance with the real value of the economy.
Real wealth already exists in our economy and is being under valued and under utilized. Unemployed workers still have skills. There is enormous wealth to be generated from investing in clean energy infrastructure. We have an entrepreneurial and technological advantage that must be utilized lest it rot on the vine. Etc.
The government isn't "spending money it doesn't have" because that would imply money has real value or that the new money is somehow less real than the old money.
It's actually just allocating money to investment opportunities and existing value that are presently being under utilized, such as energy infrastructure and unemployed skilled workers, that the markets have failed to value properly.
November 7, 2008 11:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
btw, the best way to think about money is like shares in a publicly traded company.
If for example a company grows and expands to add value, then it may issue new stock and dilute existing stock. If new stock is proportional to added value, then previous stock should retain value. If the growth creates additional value via efficiency, then the diluted stock will still increase in value.
We have a lot of underutilized resources in America right now. By increasing monetary supply, cutting back on inefficient programs, and targeting stimulus we're in essence issuing new stock in the US economy, targeted to people and industries capable of adding enormous value to our economy. By doing so we also increase the efficiency of our overall economy.
Just like issuing new stock to added value, done correctly it ultimately increases everyone's value.
November 8, 2008 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
We have a lot of underutilized resources in America right now. kozmik
Like what?
Standby all for a list of the usual boondoggles.
November 8, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
LABOR!
November 8, 2008 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Skilled labor is important, but more important is simply the fact we're a developed nation with a liberal culture that's actually desirable to receive an education and live in. That's how we're able to maintain a tech advantage or at least competitiveness which is the only way we'll be able to keep factories open.
We'll never be able to compete with unskilled or low skilled factory work done in china or elsewhere without labor standards and some quality of life protectionist measures to ensure we're not decimating our society while building China's up.
Sure, one can open a factory in China. But who really wants to live there? And can most Chinese afford to buy the goods made there? No. So the US will have a tech advantage for a generation or so at least.
We'd be fools not to enact some limited protectionist measures. Right now we're just giving it away.
November 10, 2008 4:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent post Doctor R!
You write:
"There is the view that the public is plenty progressive already, it's just that Democratic politicians are pussies and sell-outs who are afraid to do the right thing. I would say mendacity is distributed all along the political spectrum."
You are correct insofar as you point out that liars are in both parties, but I have to say that the main criticism of Democrats is that they are pussies as in cowards and sissies and poltroons. The Democratic leadership in particular seems overloaded with these people, though I must say that with a few exceptions most Congressional Democrats fit in the catogory of cowardly pussies. That's the biggest problem we have in American politics on the left or among progressives or however you prefer to put it. People expect politicians to lie regardless of party but once in a while we demand they have some balls. I find the Democrats in Congress to be partcularly lacking in courage particularly the courage of their convictions. The illegal/immoral invasion of Iraq is the Big Kahuna of cowardice for Democrats but there have been dozens of examples since such as caving in on FISA and other such matters.
I hearily agree with you that if genuine liberal policies that will actually achieve the substnatial change people seek and that Obama promised daily for two years, are going to be adopted, then we will have to pressure the new President into doing so a la the quote you cite from FDR.
Howard Zinn has eloquently pointed this out time after time in reference to the 2008 election and making progress for average Americans. He points out that FDR only adopted the agenda he came to be known for because of the extreme circumstances of the times in combination with demands and protests calling for the sorts of actions he took. We will need to do similarly in the present crisis if we want Obama to be the change we hoped he would be.
November 9, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
We have a lot of underutilized resources in America right now. kozmik
Not just labor. Ingenuity: there are a lot of inventions that have been blocked by the oil related backers. Volunteers: look at Obama's campaign. Now we can put it into backing him, instead of fighting Bush. Enthusiasm: It's been revived! Cooperation: instead of so much competition.
The list is endless.
November 10, 2008 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, we totally agree about that. The US has many resources and advantages presently being undervalued.
For example, simply living in the US and being able to enjoy the benefits of our culture and the beautiful landscape. Sure, one can move to Dubai with Cheney, or parts of China are developed, but who really wants to? Not me. Look at the SMOG during the Beijing Olympics. Couldn't even see the sun most days. What's the value of clean air and who wants to live in an environmental catastrophe? You couldn't pay me enough.
Most of us will recognize living in a place as good as the US comes with responsibilities to leave it as good as we found it.
That means infrastructure, healthy communities, maintaining oppurtunity and mobility, a sense of liberal freedoms and social coherence. It's morally irresponsible to live in the US and enjoy the benefits of this society while looting it and not putting anything back. Running sweatshops in the developing world and dumping toxins into their environment, while living in the US and enjoying our quality of life, and then feigning surprise when the eventual blowback occurs, whether it's literally pollution blown around the globe, or militants bolstered by the festering global poverty and humility.
November 10, 2008 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry Kozmik.. didn't mean to coopt your logo. I meant to copy and paste the quote. Can't edit our posts here!
November 10, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now how do I get rid of it??
November 10, 2008 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink