What Just Happened

Isn't this strange. Maybe you have to be old to appreciate it. Fasten your seatbelts, now the fun begins.
Atrios calls it concern trolling. I maintain that if a politician can still get burned talking about a lower defense budget and higher taxes for bigger, better government, it's still a center-right country. At the same time, PRESIDENT OBAMA (hmmm . . . ) has an opening a mile wide for new initiatives. With creative financing, there will be enough slack to get a lot of new projects launched, and not everything new and good will cost money. Get those patriotic gay Arab-American translators cracking!
It was amusing to watch Fox news bounce around between new narratives. Is Obama going to disappoint the liberal legions, or is he going to lurch to the left. Are his supporters raging leftists, or does everybody long for centrist, bring-us-together policies. Should the Right go into fanatical opposition or bring an openness to working together. Decisions, decisions.
I keep going back to 1992. In that year the Democrats won nice majorities in the House and Senate. The following Spring, Bill Clinton gave a rousing defense of his first budget. Meanwhile, the termites got to work. Senator David Boren (D-OK) was a key saboteur of the legislative agenda. The Arkansas Project was hatching.
The Empire will strike back. In the meantime, enjoy this:

















Hey, there were PEOPLE on that Death Star!
November 5, 2008 8:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
They weren't one of us, They were THEM
November 5, 2008 8:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
That same shit we have heard from the Rapture Right for 40 years. Is that the company you choose to keep?
November 5, 2008 9:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
I forgot the question mark ???
Would we be any better than what you call That same shit we have heard from the Rapture Right for 40 years."
It was a quesion to be pondered by those of us who choose Obama as an example.
(Romans 12:17-21) . . .Return evil for evil to no one. Provide fine things in the sight of all men. 18 If possible, as far as it depends upon YOU, be peaceable with all men. 19 Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but yield place to the wrath; for it is written: “Vengeance is mine;
21 Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good.
November 5, 2008 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
OK, but you kind of made similar points on another blog that it is time to crush our "enemies" if they don't fall in line. That won't work coming from the left any better than it did coming from the right if our goals are to unite as Americans.
November 5, 2008 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
You write: but you kind of
made similar points on another blog that it is time to crush our "enemies" if they don't fall in line.
Posting instead to smear me without actually citing the statement that KIND OF, I purportedly have said, that you probably misinterpreted.
In no way have I ever advocated violence, EVER
Besides; I do not think it is improper to crush or put an end to the hatefulness, or intolerance on both sides including those who disparage those who might believe in the rapture.
Sometimes it’s important to take the rafter from ones own eyes before removing the splinter from your neighbor’s eyes
I beg forgiveness if I forget to add the proper punctuation, it is because I am partially blind, some days worse than others.
November 5, 2008 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I apologize. I wasn't trying to start anything, just that the lack of question mark gave it a totally different meaning.
Further, I read a comment where you exhorted "moderate republicans to find a home in the big tent democratic party" rather than work to fix their own party. That based on McCain's speech and the crowds reaction that republicans are apparently beyond redemption.
Sounds like more US and THEM rhetoric that is sure to get my gander up. If that wasn't your intent or isn't your belief, then we can share a belief that Obama's example will enable both the far right and the far left to speak each others language.
Now that the election is over and my candidate won, I have taken it upon myself to act as a Rosetta Stone.
November 5, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
PS: To the other side it sounds like violence or at least the figurative violence of them being castigated for their beliefs and their disappointments.
I wasn't implying you mean crush them in the literal sense. Of course, most people don't advocate actual violence, but they are more than willing to inflict massive damage with their words and intransigence.
November 5, 2008 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good, together we'll make America great.
I don't know if you listen to NPR radio but Bill Moyer had a good discussion about some of the things were discussing. I’ve got to find his book about Democracy,
The other guest was an ex republican explaining why he has left the party Micky ? About Conservatism.
I am glad we can move on and put things behind us and I look forward to your comments. Peace.
November 5, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ditto.
November 6, 2008 6:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Micky Cantor? I love Bill Moyer. He is by far the most competent broadcast journalist working today. Would love to see a big news network hire him to revamp their brand and message. Imagine what he could do with those kinds of resources.
November 6, 2008 8:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Look, when you take a contract like that you assume certain risks.
November 5, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Touche.
November 5, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just don't forget that we will listen to you, especially when we disagree (...unless all they know is killing and white uniforms)
November 5, 2008 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
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December 22, 2010 6:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Perfect picture of what it feels like just happened.
November 5, 2008 8:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ka-BOOOOM!
November 5, 2008 8:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
"I maintain that if a politician can still get burned talking about a lower defense budget and higher taxes for bigger, better government, it's still a center-right country."
But we haven't seen that have we Rotwang? No, what we have seen since Bush got in is a Democratic Party so afraid of it's own shadow that no discussion ever proceeds beyond the commonly accepted wisdom that no politician can even dare to bring the subject up. It's little more than a self-fulfiling prophecy.
Democrats don't talk about it because being burned is a fact. They don't talk about it because they are pussies who are too afraid to bring it up. It is only an assumption and an unproven one that a politician would get burned for proposing a lower defense budget. There is a far stronger case today for doing so than there ever was before. Furthermore, the case is easy to make! The defense budget, as you are no doubt aware, is obscenely bloated, inexcusably filled with rampant waste, fraud, and abuse. And as a matter of fact, it's about the only place left in the budget that is filled with waste, fraud and abuse.
Sadly for America and the world, it would take some amount of courage for Democrats to actually point out that the Defense budget is far larger than it needs to be and that we spend as much as all the other nations on earth combined spend annually. That simple fact alone, if publicized would go a long, long way toward building public support for cutting the defense budget. But again, it would take some cajones and some moral fiber so I'm not going to hold my breath for Obama or any of the other Washington Democrats to grow a pair on this question. Either way, your basic assumption, in my opinion, remains just that: an assumption and not a reality.
November 5, 2008 8:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
That republicans are asking themselves these question is a good thing. To assume they will all go back to obstructionism is simply absurd. If you want that sort of opposition party, then I suggest you keep writing blogs such as this one.
You also missed the entire point of the 1990s and Bill Clinton and the democrats. They won bare majorities and treated it like a mandate. After 12 straight years of republican presidents. That is about the stupidest response to winning a narrow victory I had seen until Bush did the same thing and the republicans are suffering the same consequences.
Don't treat a five point victory in the popular vote as a mandate that the country is now some extreme leftist Utopia. To accomplish the ambitious agenda that Barack has laid out, liberals better figure out a way to be more magnanimous in victory than this blog and its comments seem to indicate they are willing to be.
November 5, 2008 9:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
it's not a mandate because it reveals how many Americans have bought into Republican bullshit. If more money were put into educating people and giving them appropriate health care instead of crony corp politics benefiting 2% of the populous then more people would understand that the Democratic party is the ONLY party that comes close to working for them. The Republicans are a dying breed of bloated televangelist still begging to keep their fraud ministry afloat.
November 5, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Again, you are confusing the results of their being duped by neocons with them all of a sudden being liberal if they just go the right information.
I am plenty educated and progressive and a recently registered republican because I consider myself conservative. I think I offer very different takes to accomplish the same progressive goals as liberals.
This is the sort of thinking I hope we can work on as we progress with an Obama administration. The GOP isn't going anywhere. It is going to redefine itself and come back stronger than ever as a partner in our shared sustainability project.
The only thing liberals can do now is slow that transition down and harm the democratic president in the process.
November 5, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama has his work cut out for him.
November 5, 2008 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Congressional Dems sure killed Jimmy Carter politically thirty years ago.
November 5, 2008 9:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
If we are a center-right country it's by an objective, international standard of where that center is, not by the GOP's definition, which is the center and the far right of the GOP.
November 5, 2008 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Barack has given us a new baseline for an American Center that includes democrats, republicans and independents. The key now is to expand that center toward the edges, both left and right.
November 5, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
My congrats for Senator-to-President-elect Barrack H Obama. Hopefully, he and the Dems don't squander their November wins, but instead always looking forward.....
A brief note from Obama himself, just prior to his own acknowledged destiny:
"I'm about to head to Grant Park to talk to everyone gathered there, but I wanted to write to you first.
We just made history.
And I don't want you to forget how we did it.
You made history every single day during this campaign -- every day you knocked on doors, made a donation, or talked to your family, friends, and neighbors about why you believe it's time for change.
I want to thank all of you who gave your time, talent, and passion to this campaign.
We have a lot of work to do to get our country back on track, and I'll be in touch soon about what comes next.
But I want to be very clear about one thing...
All of this happened because of you.
Thank you,
Barack "
November 5, 2008 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
This bullshit about Obama having to move to the right or to the center, however its phrased, prompts this question;
Will the Republicans meet Obama by moving to the left or to the center? If so, what are they willing to bargain on?
One example;
According to Obama he wants to cut the taxes of 90/95% of the working people while allowing the taxes to the wealthiest to revert to what they paid under Clinton. How will this issue be resolved?
If Obama is, as they claim; "the most liberal member of the Senate", then any movement by him has to be a move to the right.
I think its about time we get a liberal friendly government, f**k Governing from the center. If Obama is; "the most liberal member of the Senate" then I want him to govern that way.
November 5, 2008 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think BHO has to or should move to the right. To the contrary, he should take advantage of his landslide and start dragging the country to the left.
I do think he is confronting an electorate, present company excepted, that is still in dreamland as far as taxes are concerned. Sure he can do a lot with what he's got now. And there's nothing wrong with that.
But fix health care, rebuild our infrastructure, develop sustainable energy, all without more revenues, ever?
Forget it. Cannot happen. I guess somebody will have to lay this out in more detail, since there are still a lot of people who haven't gotten the message.
November 5, 2008 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
But fix health care . . . all without more revenues, ever?
As Dean Baker might say, "ever" can be a long time in the future.
November 5, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
That is the biggest roadblock to progress this country faces. Joe the plumber believes that he is grossly overtaxed, even though he got earned income credit last year because he earned so little. Somehow, President Obama has to find a way to change that dynamic.
I have been wondering how he can do that, and it occurred to me that he has made it clear that there are some sacrifices we must make. One of the major sacrifices will have to be to accept paying more income taxes when we make more money, disproportionately more taxes. His ability to speak and persuade will really be tested on this one.
November 5, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
hoppy,
I think the rational public is ready to sacrifice because they know we're in deep shit. But they will ONLY sacrifice if they know we're ALL sacfificing. That isn't how its been these last 25 or 30 years.
One thing I'd try to change quickly; repeal the IRS Code/ruling that allows hedge fund managers who make tens of millions a year and only pay the 15% capital gains tax.
November 5, 2008 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely. Good Start.
November 5, 2008 9:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
It CAN happen Rotwang by cutting the defense budget significantly. We don't need to spend anywhere near $600 Billion annually on war. That's where you get the money in combination with raising taxes on the rich on a regular basis.
November 5, 2008 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
BEWARE
The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet
November 6, 2008 2:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Judy Garland.
Rocks.
The House.
November 5, 2008 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's principal goal is to be reelected on November 6, 2012. Satisfaction of that goal requires that the sun should begin to rise over America ("Morning in America") beginning Labor Day 2010.
In the mean time Obama, if he's wise, will spend the first 600 days (forget about those "1000 days") cleaning up the Executive branch -- appointing competent administrators, revising and canceling eight years of Bush-Cheney authored regulations, and convincing the Congress to fund the agencies, adequately.
Liberal programs such as "card check" and health care reform can be left to die in Congress in the same way that savvy Republican presidents leave their supporters' social issues to wither on the legislative vine.
Finally, Obama should take a quick and hard recession. Any attempt to ameliorate the effects of that recession over and above a humane strengthening of the safety net will only drag it out and diminish his prospects of reelection.*
* We can count on Bob Rubin to see it just that way.
November 5, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Health care reform isn't a "liberal" issue that should be left to die on the vine. Unless of course, you mean to take our businesses and middle class the rest of the way down with it.
We can't solve anything with reforming health care. Too much GDP with too little return on investment. We can sacrifice 50% of the defense budget more easily than sacrificing health care reform.
Obama's plan is sensible and will pass. If he gets really bold and has the right messaging, he might even get Kennedy's plan passed. Point is, I wouldn't bet on Barack letting health care reform die on the vine.
Not going to happen.
November 5, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yay! Now we need criminal hearings for members of the outgoing administration.
We need a major housekeeping.
November 5, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
It would feel so good to see an investigation reveal the full extent of the illegality of the last 8 years, but it won't happen. There are just too many pressing problems facing us, and such an investigation would suck up all of the nations attention. As sweet as revenge is, it is bad governing policy.
November 5, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Destor,
Do you really think Obama is going to order even a single investigation of the Bush junta's crimes?
I certainly think there are scores of them including Bush himself, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Gen. Franks, Gonzales, and a cast of many more. They are criminals who have committed serious felonies here at home and very high crimes abroad. Nonetheless, I think the chance of Obama even asking anyone to look into it are far worse than you or I winning the Powerball tonight.
November 5, 2008 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not only are the odds very low, but the consequences of doing so are extremely high. Almost half of Americans think the Republican crimes were just ordinary business as usual, tilted towards giving us protection from hordes of rampaging Moslem, dark skinned people. There is nothing to be gained, unless you are a Republican, from spending months and months trying to prove that they are wrong.
November 5, 2008 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I understand your point Hoppy but I'm not sure I agree.
I think their crimes are clear cut in most cases and once the Democrats get in they will have access to all the records they need for quick indictments and trials. I believe we have a moral obligation to put criminals on trial and it is even greater when they are the types of crimes Bush and his henchmen committed.
Every Republican administration since Nixon commits serious crimes and then hides behind the excuse that "everybody does it" when, in fact, everybody does not do it. Furthermore, failing to make them pay for their crimes as they should only lends credence to two very bad things: 1) the public's continued perception that criminal activity in the government is business as usual for all instead of for Republicans, and 2) It incentivizes that very same criminal activity by Republicans in the future by making it clear they will pay no price whatsoever personally for such crimes.
I guess my point here is that the negative consequences of doing nothing as Obama most likely will, are at least as great as if he were to make these people take responsibility for their criminal acts.
November 5, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Half of California just voted to ban gay marriage. That doesn't make it right.
I fully agree with Bugliosi on this one. Hang 'em high.
However, I just can't picture Obama doing it. As he's said before, he wants to look forward, not back.
November 6, 2008 2:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
As I said eleswhere;
If Obama put Cheney in jail he'd win a Nobel Prize;
if he put Cheney AND Bush in jail he'd go up on Mt Rushmore.
I think a Special Investigative Committee on what happened during the 8 years of Bush Cheney is needed. We need to know what these cretins did that was never publicized. Bush's signing statements all have to be publicized and actions he took regarding them, the no bid contracts, the behind the scenes plotting to abuse the Constitution, the conflicts of interest, the politicization of the Justie Dept.
One investigation I'd like to see. When Andy Card, and I think Gonzales, went to the hospital to get Ashcroft to sign off on one of the Bush gang's more nefarious actions concerning domestic spying because there was a revolution of insiders who were ready to resign including Comey and FBI head Mueller. I think the Bush gang got caught in the act of using government agencies to spy on the Democrats and other political enemies, and this was the reason for the revolt of the insiders.
Pelosi let Bush off the hook with her irresponsible "impeachment is off the table"
comment; to allow the Bush/Cheney cartel to ride off into the sunset without the public ever knowing how frikkin evil they really were is simply more Democratic irresponsibility.
Sadly, the Democrats, fearing loss of power, will act like weasels and do nothing to upset their new apple cart.
November 5, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
It will surprise me if President Bush doesn't issue blanket pardons to the whole gang, including himself. There are some legal opinions he can't issue to himself, so he might do what President Nixon did - resign and let his VP issue.
If pardons are issued, I think we need to let it go. To try and get the Supreme Court to carve out an exception to the Constitutional right he has to issue them, imo, is even worse.
November 5, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
About 10 years ago, Donald Trump advocated a one time 14.25% tax on all assets held by those persons,trusts,corporations that have a net worth in excess of $10 million. He claimed it would pay off the national debt. Even though the national debt has more than doubled, the gold cornered by the wealthy has quadruppled, so maybe a one time 7% tax would do the trick. I do think the wealthy could find a way to pay this tax, and I do not think it would put the Stock Market in a tail-spin. Most could simply write a check, or turn in some of the Treasuries they own.
Pay off the national debt, nationalize the banks, federalize the Federal Reserve, nationalize the health care industry and kick the insurance industry out of about 98% of what they do. Tell doctors they can settle for a maximum of $250,000 a year or they can go get another job. Nationalize the pharmacutical firms. None of this will happen because too many of us have stock in our IRA's, and we are all part of the stumbling block to real change. Joe Biden has said there will be some unpopular decisions coming down soon. I hope President-elect Obama has the guts to make the real changes we need.
November 5, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
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