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McCain's Real America: Having Fun Over Obama's Grandmother's Death

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Can you imagine this on our side: enjoying the death of say McCain's mother or Palin's grandmother and speculating that it was timed for election eve?

Inconceivable. That is because liberals just don't think that way. And a few of these rightwingers don't either. But the majority clearly does.

Lucianne Goldberg, who owns this website, once told my son she would have to shut down the site if Hillary or Ted Kennedy died because the amount of celebrating would embarrass her.

I guess she didn't expect that the death of an old lady, who happens to be Obama's grandmother, would also set off that reaction. (Actually, these folks loved the death of JFK,Jr. too. I remember that). Also, see Fox news comments.

These are the people we are up against, folks. And tomorrow we will beat them, maybe once and for all. Why do I say "once and for all." Because mainstream Republicans are sick of these people and might fight to take their party back. We have only two parties, after all; we can't afford a Republican party that exists only to hate, to distribute wealth upward, and to fight neocon wars.

POSTSCRIPT: Lucianne Goldberg shut down the thread: "Reply 35 - Posted by: LComStaff, 11/3/2008 5:47:22 PM
We are going to close this post. It is bringing out the worst in some of us."

The sad thing, of course, is that Goldberg had to close the thread down to to stop the viciousness. But I give her credit, all the same. She did exactly what she said she'd have to do if one of our liberal icons died and her people celebrated.



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The comments on the thread are despicable, but you paint with too broad a brush. I reject the holy wat rhetoric of both sides.

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Lucianne.com is a mainstream conservative site, just like TPM is a mainstream liberal site.
I do not recall people here at TPM joking over anyone's death, and certainly not someone who is guilty of nothing more than being a member of someone's family.

Do you think anybody here would joke or speculate about the death of McCain's mother. I rather think that most of us, who have seen her, rather admire the old lady. We despise Cheney. We do not wish ill to his family. It's all part and parcel of the incitement at their rallies.

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Why do conservatives always believe in moral equivalence....when they are wrong? It's amazing that the moral clarity crowd always gets foggy when they are caught red-handed being hateful.

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The right is filled with crazies.
As Jesus said "forgive them - they know not what they say".

My prayers are with Senator Obama and his family.

Lets leave families out of politics.

I have lost many family members and dear friends is my life - I know the pain of loss.

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MJ said;

Because mainstream Republicans are sick of these people and might fight to take their party back.

MJ, I agree, many good Republicans lost, and are losing their jobs due to right wing antics, and its sad, becasue I always felt we needed level headed Republicans to keep Liberals like me from going too far left.

Me and my wife were watching CNN and she asked me who Ed Rollins was. I told her he was a Republican Campaign consultant who always seems to offer good analysis and isn't full of the ugly shit you see so much of from many Republicans now a days.

Over the weekend I said the same about David Gerghan (sic)

About 5 years ago I was at breakfast with a friend, a Republican, and I told him I thought Bush/Cheney/DeLay and the right wing were going to destroy the Republican party for a generation.

I want to amend that, make it 2 Generations.

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The Republicans love to say we're angry, don't they?

I started out only angry - legitimately so, as the Republicans stole the 2000 election. I grew angrier still, this time at many of my fellow Americans as they voted the potatoheaded Bush back into office again in 2004, after seeing what a pig's breakfast he'd made of things in his first term, starting with being too self-absorbed to pay attention when the warning lights were blinking red before 9/11, and continuing when he invaded a country that had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

For celebrating the death of an innocent old woman, Republicans - yes, anyone who still dares wear that label - have now earned my undying hatred. They are a cancer on America, and that cancer requires radical surgery.

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Why is it at all surprising that there are lunatics amongst us, across the political spectrum. There always has been, it just that with the internet every lunatic now has the band width to express their lunacy.

I just can't exercised about it.

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Huh???? My prayers and hopes and dreams are with Obama and his family. I lost my father recently and was with my Mom through a tough time of her own.

But the only one I see tying politics into a candidate's personal loss is you.

I'm sure you are right, that there are people on "the other side" saying nasty things right now. But they don't represent the majority of anything - except of nasty people.

Get over the us vs. them mentality. And say a prayer, if you care, for Obama and his family.

-Mark C. Still

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Not all the comments on that thread are repugnant - some are respectful and appropriate. But many posters obviously hold such hatred in their hearts that they are unable to summon even a grain of compassion. It must be quite awful to be filled with venom. I pray for those filled with extreme anger - they suffer from a sickness deep in their souls.

That said, let's get out there and show them what it means to be a VALUES VOTER! Vote for PEACE. Vote for TOLERANCE. Vote for HEALTH CARE. Vote for EDUCATION. Vote OBAMA.

Thank you for listening.

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This statement--

Inconceivable. That is because liberals just don't think that way. And a few of these rightwingers don't either. But the majority clearly does.
--strikes me as . . .

1) false outrage. "Inconceivable"? Honestly? Liberals "just don't think that way"? No, especially not about Cheney's heart problems. Not in a million f'ing years.

2) the construction of an overwhelmingly unconvincing straw man. Most rightwingers I know are very nice people outside of politics.

If you swap "left" words and "right" words and imagine your post being read in Mark Levin's high-pitched angry voice, it's surprisingly realistic.

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. . . but the intensity of my feeling doesn't justify my being an ass. Sorry for the snark--my post was pretty offensive.

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No problem.
But, I do want to say, as someone who went to both Reagan's and Ford's funerals (in the Capitol), out of respect, that I don't cheer on Republican leaders' deaths. I also paid my respect at Nixon and Pat's graves in Yorba Linda.

I was sorely tested by Jesse Helms' departure!

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It isn't that Liberals aren't that way MJ. It's that non-Republicans are that way.

The Republican Party has become the locus for a concentration of miscreants and angry, unethical swine who desperately need lots and lots of therapy to deal with their anger and fear issues.

There are lots of people who are not liberals who have the good judgement, sense of propriety and the decency not to laugh at something like the passing of Obama's grandmother like a bunch of insensitive adolscents. But the truth is, these days you simply won't find anyone who has those qualities in the Republican Party. It has become a cesspool as evidenced by the sort of comments and behavior you note and also as evidenced by the campaign of 100% filth they have resorted to this year.

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I know plenty of Republicans who are decent people, and who would always sympathize with and comfort the families of the deceased when a death occurs in the community. These people are not universally evil or anything like that. They are often incurious and uninformed to the point of being brain-washed, but they are not bad people by associating with the Republican party. I would say they are victims of their culture to some extent.

When you make comments that demonize the opposition, you become more like one of them than anyone would like to see.

We are all stressed. It is impossible for most democrats to identify with anyone who would vote for McCain/Palin, and it is easy to want to demonize for that reason alone. But I think we need to start the healing very soon.

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It isn't that Liberals aren't that way MJ. It's that non-Republicans are that way.

The Republican Party has become the locus for a concentration of miscreants and angry, unethical swine who desperately need lots and lots of therapy to deal with their anger and fear issues.

There are lots of people who are not liberals who have the good judgement, sense of propriety and the decency not to laugh at something like the passing of Obama's grandmother like a bunch of insensitive adolscents. But the truth is, these days you simply won't find anyone who has those qualities in the Republican Party. It has become a cesspool as evidenced by the sort of comments and behavior you note and also as evidenced by the campaign of 100% filth they have resorted to this year.

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Did you even read the comments on that thread? Most were sympathetic, a few speculated Obama timed the announcement for political reasons. I didn't read any that celebrated her demise. I think you protest too much, and yes, I have read Liberals say terrible things about Conservatives. Bill Maher openly hoped for Cheney to die.

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That's completely over the top for Maher to suggest. Something more appropriate might be to fly Cheney over to a Gitmo facility, put panties on his head, poor ice water on him, hang him by his wrists from his cell door, force him to crouch for 10 hours, crank the Red Hot Chili Peppers; Repeat (for 3 years). It is to be hoped that Cheney would not die.

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Bill Maher is no liberal.

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I don't honestly know what Maher is, other than a grade-A jerk.

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Good news. Having read my criticism, Lucianne shut down the thread. Good. I give her credit. The hate keeps flowing at Fox and Free Republic.

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From Lucianne:

"Reply 35 - Posted by: LComStaff, 11/3/2008 5:47:22 PM

We are going to close this post. It is bringing out the worst in some of us. "

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I think it's a bit of a stretch to claim she shut it down due to your criticism alone.

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Probably not. A whole bunch of liberal bloggers jumped on it at the same time. I don't care why. I'm just glad she shut it down.
But the hate just rolls at Fox.

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My thoughts go out to the family at what is undoubtedly a tough time.

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some comments on the post you refer to represent indecent people hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.

It's regrettable.

I would posit that this kind of hatred is more innate in some people. They just wait for any opportunity to employ it.

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What I meant was that the majority of Republicans would be just as repulsed by those comments as you and I. Let's not tar them all with the same brush.

Some things should be above politics.

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I can imagine it. Then again, after this election, I want John McCain to crawl off quietly to some corner to die slowly and painfully of whatever cancer he's been concealing.

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That is truly a disgusting sentiment.

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Odd that someone named "de Jesus" could say something like that.

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OMG!

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I feel ashamed that any of my fellow countrymen would ever take comfort in the suffering of any other person, and I think that sacrificing morals and humanity for political beliefs is a deeply problematic aspect of our current system. However, like others have stressed here, it is important to remember that there are many Republicans who reject these kinds of attacks. I personally believe that Barack Obama will win tomorrow, but am hopeful that his victory will also enable us to isolate the extreme elements of our society and focus on building a positive, moderate consensus to address some of the most pressing issues of our time.

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"Actually, these folks loved the death of JFK,Jr. too. I remember that"

Actually, similar right wing people celebrated JFK's assassination in 1963. While the rest of us were grieving during the funeral, some &^%^%# were partying!

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Nothing wrong with being an anti republican.
I think the word to describe the right wing base is "hysterical". They put all their faith into George Bush like he was Jesus H. Christ or their long lost daddy. And he screwed them royally. They cant process it so when those carpetbaggers in the Republican Party tell them that its the Democrats fault that the economy crashed, that is their life raft. Hysteria is not a good thing. What to do?

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June 1968, Bobby Kennedy's assassination. I'm in early morning roll-call line at a small Jackson college campus for Magnolia Boys State, a gathering of the primest examples of white "supremacy" plantation money could buy.

It's announced that the night before Bobby had been killed. Not even a moment of hesitation. Nearly everyone erupted in raucous hooting and hollering that took a while to subside.

The adult counselors and leaders did nothing to stop it. They just grinned.

That night at Boys State closing ceremonies, one formerly silent lone dissenter to the nihilistic madness had arranged to volunteer to sing a song. He wasn't outspoken or brave enough to dedicate it directly to RFK, but he sang "The Impossible Dream" nonetheless.

Tomorrow, the Impossible Dream becomes possible, and comes true.

Love,
News Nag

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After watching many months of 'McCain unleashed' and his trashy hate mongering campaign with his idiot soulmate one could only wish that the 'believe anything and know nothing' Republican base would retreat to their caves and never demean the word 'partiotism' again. They have no connection to and no concept of the principles on which this country was founded.

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For a second I thought John McCain had made fun of Obama's grandmother, but turns out the anti-McCain headline referred to "commenters in a right-wing blog called Luciane.

Talk about a stretch.

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Talk about a stretch.

Just a suggestion: As a supporter of the "pals around with terrorists" gang, you might want to limit your references to "stretches." Doing so might help you preserve the quasi-hemi-demi-figment of credibility you still retain. Who knows? It might even allow you a tiny amount of self-respect.

On second thought, never mind. There is no chance of your holding on to any vestige of either credibility or self-respect, so continue to fire away with your delusional hatred. But you probably want to keep doing so in blogs rather than comments. When you use a comment, people are able to reply to you, and you know how you hate it when you are shown to be nothing more than a repeater for Rush.

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Tank,

excellent post, on the mark.

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While we should be wary of hoping to find asymmetries in civilized behavior between our two major parties, I note that liberal or social-justice leaders seem to be the typical assassination victim, (attempt on Reagan failed) and Ayers couldn't touch McVeigh in results.

And the strongest speech the McCain campaign could find to hang on Obama was from Rev. Wright, sounding much like Rev. King, while their side has Rev. Hagee, and sneering-at-death Rush Limbaugh, not to mention insane Rep. Bachman.

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MJ, the same kind of bad behavior exhibited here is evident in the Yes on 8 campaign writing a ban on civil same-sex marriage into the state constitution. You might say a word or two about that. The Yes campaign is using ancient blood libel vs homosexuals that they are going to get/recruit your children!

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Strange - my first thought when I heard this was "tragic timing - if her grandson is elected tomorrow, she'd want to be here to see it."

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When Rachel Maddow announced on her show that Obama was going to take a couple days off to visit his sick grandmother, I turned to my wife and said "I wonder how the right is going to spin this."

Within a week, Rush gave us a lovely demonstration of what an asshole he is. Now, this.

I am quite ashamed/embarrassed that the right has taught me to think this way. Liberal I may be, but I have not really become a Democrat at heart. More like an anti-Republican :-(

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People in general are assholes, and the anonymity afforded by the Internet just exacerbates it. "We liberals" oughtn't pat ourselves on the back because a bunch of conservatives were douchey this time around--our boys and girls will do something tremendously stupid before too long. Such is the nature of our species.

That said, some of those comments are fucking appalling.

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Ethan,

you're right, when Jesse Helms died my reaction was "Good riddance." Now if only Tom DeLay...

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Somebody has to manage the seggregated swimming pools in the sky....

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And to think they feigned disgust when Michelle Obama said something about people being mean.

The nasty posts are still on the Fox site and other GOP sites.

It's mean. It's downright barbarous, if you ask me.

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haahha so i know you wanna see this very funny video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1exiyBYnJ00

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Look, today's base of the Republican party are the huns of the modern era. In the area of vile commentary, comparing Democrats to this gang is like comparing the Philadelphia Eagles to a sandlot team. Yeah, we can play football, but we can't play in the Eagles' league.

And don't give me some anecdote as proof of; "well, you do it too." Whenever you get a Republican in the corner where he can't escape the latest scandal he will offer his fall back
position; 'Well, Democrats do it too", or "Well, what about Clinton?"

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