The Worst People In The World: Dolphins Owner Will Sell Now Rather Than Pay A Cap Gains Tax Under Obama
This sums up the McCain-Palin voter. The owner of the Miami Dolphins says he'll sell his share of the team now rather than pay a higher tax under Obama. (His numbers are wrong, by the way).
But it's the principle here that matters. This guy is your typical McCain Republican. He says he'll be damned before he gives his tax dollars "to him" (Obama).
What is there to say about people who would give their children up at times of war, even stupid wars, but view paying taxes as anathema. Is it that they care more about their money than their kids? Are they just stupid?
Or are they about the greediest misanthropes any country has ever produced? Patriotic? Right, so patriotic that they wouldn't pay an extra dollar to keep their fellow Americans afloat. As Keith Olbermann would say, they are "the worst people in the world."
The only thing wrong with your construction is that these people never "give their children up at times of war." they only give up other (poor) people's children. Otherwise you are absolutely correct that they are the greediest misanthropes any country has ever produced and the worst people in the world.
October 28, 2008 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
These parasites are happy to lobby for public funding of their palaces (that means you - GW Bush) and equally happy to privatize the profits.
The tragedy is that lower/middle class people even listen to these pirates thinking that they are going to get some benefit from these crony tax cuts - suckas!
October 28, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Who is greedier, the man who wants to keep more of his earnings, or the man who covets those earnings for himself?
That would be you and Olbermann, Rosenberg. Coveting other peoples money.
October 28, 2008 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
No man is an Island.....
October 28, 2008 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Shooter, people like me happily pay taxes to support the services this country provides to fellow Americans.
Wanting to keep it all yourself is unpatriotic.
As Joe Biden said, paying your fair taxes is patriotic. Cheating on taxes or resenting paying to help fellow Americans is the opposite. It's Republican.
October 28, 2008 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Judging by the avatar and the right-wing animus, I do believe that the The Cleverbulldog has gotten himself a new account...
October 28, 2008 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Like I said earlier Rosenberg, you're intellectually dishonest. Nowhere in the article you cite, does Huizenga say he doesn't want to pay taxes. He says he doesn't want to pay additional taxes. What part of that are you having trouble understanding?
If you think paying extra taxes is inconsequencial, how much over and above your own tax debt are you contributing? None? Why that would be resenting paying extra to help fellow Americans, which you've equated to cheating. Rosenberg, by your lights, you're cheating on your taxes. Worse, you're acting "Republican". We'll have to report you to the appropriate authorities. /parody.
Rosenberg, not only is your naked greed on display, but so is your hypocrisy.
Better moral pretenders please.
October 28, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's complete logical fallacy.
One could just as easily make the case that if you really support the the Iraq War you should pay extra money over and abopve your tax obligation to support it. If you're not doing that you must be a hypocrite.
Its a B.S> argument either way.
October 29, 2008 4:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
shooter,
that's easy to answer; the man who wants to keep more of his tens of millions, like the guy that owns the Dolphins, and uses those tens of millions to buy Congress so he can keep more tens of millions. This is who is greedier, the real life Gordon Geckkos of the world.
To people like this, too much is never enough.
October 28, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only reason our modest labors are able to pull in the compensation they do - a portion of annual wealth that is positively kingly by world historical standards - is because they are built on the labors of millions of other people: an army of giants, past and present, who created and sustain the great economic cow that you and I now just have to milk with a touch of our computer keyboards. And our brains are packed with the knowledge won by centuries of almost inconceivably vast intellectual labor. Without that army of scholars and creative inventors who produced that knowledge, you would be as dumb as a baboon.
This whole idea that the money I am paid is "mine" because "I made it" is shallow, selfish, vain and obtuse. Do you really think that the work effort you exert is so much more awesome than the work done by the mass of much poorer human beings? Or by a well-fed plow-horse? Your productivity is fundamentally a product of others; the wealth you generate with that productivity is the dividend of the investment of others; your wealth-generating capacity is a function of the roads you drive on, the computer networks you access, and the machines you use whose workings you barely understand, and that were invented and built by others, but that enable you to move mountains with barely any effort on your own part.
None of us is anything without the cooperative human effort that has transformed us from dull beasts to productive engines, and the ocean of pain and sweat that has been poured into us by our fellow human beings. "Other people's money"? Whose? Yours??? What are you? You're like a coffee machine demanding to keep all the coffee you poured out, on the grounds that "you made it."
October 28, 2008 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
What? Being a totally self-centered, arrogant and selfish asshole is not the way to go?
October 28, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wish I had seen this earlier.
So? What in the world does that have to do with anything?
Hardly. Private property is a fundamental economic right, present in any free and prosperous country.
Yes, and that is supported by the people willing to give me more money.
Oh really? Then why isn't everyone making the same amount?
Again, so what? History is available to everyone. Why does one person make more money than another? It's because OTHER people are willing to pay more for one person's activity than another. Furthermore I have no doubt you follow the same process. Do you buy one singer's CD or itune more than another? If a lot of people do the same you will have contributed to making that singer rich. ironic isn't it. Heh. (PS that's also called "acting in one's own self interest")
October 28, 2008 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remember, "their money" is dependent on and supported by other people's tax dollars. If he doesn't want to pay any taxes, then he shouldn't be entitled to any of the benefits of living in the US. Besides, "cutting taxes/no taxes" is the only thing the republicans have left to try to sell themselves to the public.
October 28, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who's coveting? Our intrepid blogger was just pointing out that bloated fat cats like Wayne Huzienga have about as much empathy for the common man as John McCain, who married into millions, recieves a gold plated Government health care and pension, then rails about "Socialism". What a fraud.
October 28, 2008 10:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
One of the many basic peculiarity of Republicans, which shooter has admitted ('real Americans like to win wars, yet don't like taxes) is that Bush supporters like war but don't want to pay for them. They view war as a kind of free entertainment.
Bush pulled a bait and switch on his base when Iraq invasion/occupation did not 'pay for itself'.
Wayne Huizenga may have voted for Bush but he doesn't want to pay up for his and the 'base''s poor judgment at the ballot box.
October 28, 2008 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama will have to 'hit the ground running' after Nov 4th; amend all the tax loop holes including off-shore accounts; say how terribly sorry he was for voting in the weakest bailout bill (little if any accountability, regulation, and punishment for wrong-doers). Last evening and more news on the front pages of cyberspace: (from Douglas A. McIntyre is an editor at 247wallst.com) titled "Ten percent of $700 rescue package may go to bonuses" - Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sach and few others are mulling over BIG FAT BONUSES for their "high" performing brokers--waahhahaaaaaa--well, in that case, I'D RATHER BE PALING AROUND WITH THOSE ECONOMIC TERRORIST!
October 28, 2008 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."
Mr. Huizenga, I eagerly await news of which charity you end up giving that 50% to.
October 28, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
The next time someone tells you they want to run the government like a business, get scared!
These businessmen supported going to war using a credit card and passing the costs on to our grandchildren. They accepted huge tax cuts and accrued major increases in their own net worth.
Now, with deficits as far as the eye can see, they feel it's their patriotic duty to cut and run.
October 28, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is he opening up the team for bids, or is he locked into selling to Ross?
October 28, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, please. Huizenga's not going to sell. Owning an NFL franchise is like printing money. In the end, the beancounters will run the REAL figures, and tell Huizenga he's STILL making a mint. End of story.
As if he wouldn't pay capital gains tax after selling the team anyway.
October 28, 2008 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, never mind. I forgot about his preexisting deal with Ross - he's gone back and forth so many times that I didn't remember he'd gone and done it this time.
If he wants to sell to avoid the extra 5% in cap gains tax, fine. That means the good years under the Tuna will be after Huizenga's (mostly) gone.
October 28, 2008 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mr Ed,
I wonder if Mr. Huzienga's team plays in a taxpayer subsidized stadium.
October 28, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
IIRC, Dolphin Stadium is one of the very few that isn't taxpayer funded directly. (SF's baseball park, whatever name it has now, is about the only other.)
That doesn't mean that there aren't $$$$$ of infrastructure improvements and tax breaks that they don't get.
Wayne is whining that capital gains taxes are going back to normal? Why doesn't he call on Joe the Plumbers expertise and public appeal to front him?
October 29, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well Obama should simply make this into a campaign slogan that will win him a huge amount of votes in South Florida. "Vote for me so we can get Wayne Huizenga as far away from your beloved Dolphins as possible". He's a crappy team owner and the people hate him.
October 28, 2008 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shooter - don't try to understand anything that Rosenberg says. He mixes things like taxes and wars in the same post. His medication dosage needs to be increased.
I went to H&R Block the other day to ask them if I should do any tax prep before the end of the year. Guess what they told me - sell your winning stocks because when Obama gets into office he will raise your capital gains taxes!!
And that's exactly what I did. So that makes me one of the worst people in the world?
C'mon - I'm not going to cheat on my taxes but am I trying to minimize my tax bill? Of course. Everybody does that.
October 28, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Middle Class Bill,
what winning stocks are they?
October 28, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
H & R Block? If you are using H & R for your tax advice, then you are indeed middle class, and that is not meant to be derogatory. Just an observation. You won't like this comment, Bill, but here goes. Those of the Middle Class who vote Republican for economic reasons have had the wool pulled over their eyes. The "laize faire" crowd are not playing the Monopoly game fairly. I know you think it is a level playing field, but it ain't. They have stollen the country's wealth, and part of that wealth was yours. You have been robbed, and your are smiling away. You just don't get it.
October 28, 2008 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Faroff - if the Republicans have "stolen my wealth" how is Obama going to make me richer?
October 29, 2008 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
On the flip side M.J., Dan Rooney who is in a quandry trying to maintain control of the Pittsburgh Steelers while his brothers (four of them each holding 16%) have to sell because of their race track and gambling holdings hasn't complained of taxes, introduced Barack Obama at his Mellon Arena appearance in Pittsburgh. Football Hall of Famer Dan Rooney v. Huizenga. I know who I would pick. And Obama.
October 28, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Rooneys are Dems. The difference between Rooney and these idiots is the concept of enlightened self-interest. Good folks understand that their fates are tied to the fate of others in society, What good is the Rooneys money if Pittsburgh collapses?
But the idiots only care about themselves and think that it doesn't matter what happens to anyone else.
Also, maybe the Rooneys read those parts of the New Testament that are printed. You know, where Jesus makes clear what he thinks of selfish rich people. The Rooneys are serious Catholics.
October 28, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
addedndum: "printed in red"
October 28, 2008 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think MiddleClassBill and shooter242 are husband and wife who's home is plastered with pictures of Stephen Moore and Grover Norquist.
October 28, 2008 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
M.J. I don't think the Rooneys are Democrats. The "Old Man" ran for mayor of Pittsburgh as a Republican. Back when that was an exercise in futility. Dan Rooney is the only family member that has stated he was voting for Obama.
October 28, 2008 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, ok. I thought they were big backers of O'Connor and Caliguri and Sophie. Sorry.
October 28, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
JohnW - believe it or not I have owned Altria/PhilMo for 20 years plus I also bought Cisco back in 1990. I have cost basis in both that are well below the current stock price. Now that I've lost my job this year it's finally time to sell them so I can keep current on my mortgage.
October 28, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill,
maybe the fact that you lost your job and need to sell your investments to pay the mortgage could very well be the result of your voting Republican all these years? The Republicans owned Congress for what, 12 years, and then owned Congress and the White House for 6, and today you have to sell long term investments to pay your mortgage.
Maybe its time to rethink your voting priorities.
October 29, 2008 7:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
JohnW and Rosey - am I also a greedy misanthrope because I sold stock ahead of Obama's presidency?
Do you contribute to a 401k in order to get the tax break? Please don't tell me that you don't do things to avoid taxes too
October 28, 2008 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
yes
October 28, 2008 9:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
MJ - there were two questions. I assume you only answered the first one.
Do you contribute to a 401k in order to minimize your taxes? If so, does that make you a greedy misanthrope?
October 28, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shooter242 (the 242 is a reference to a UN resolution) is now enscounced at TPM. I've never seen him here before, but I haven't seen everything.
October 28, 2008 11:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rosey - you still out there? Curious if you have a 401k...
October 29, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
JohnW - you have no idea how I've voted, so please don't assume you do. There's this thing called a "business cycle" and right now we're going through tough times. I don't blame the Republicans nor do I blame the Democrats. It's not a party thing. I simply prefer McCain over Obama for a whole list of reasons. Neither future President is going to find me a new job. I'm doing that on my own.
October 29, 2008 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just as I thought...no response from MJ...silence is deafening
October 29, 2008 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink