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Can We Stop "Spreading the Wealth Around?"

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The Washington Post reports today that the next round of bailouts will be for the insurance industry. The article tells us that we can expect similar bailout conditions for the insurance industry as were given to the banks that received capital from the government.

In other words, the insurers will be given government funds at far below market rates. This is a direct handout from taxpayers to the shareholders at these institutions, as well as the top executives whose incompetence brought them to the edge of ruin. While the Post tells us that there will be limits on executive pay, these restrictions were put in just to fool children and reporters, serious people know that they are a joke.

Let's stand up for Joe the Plumber and stop giving tax dollars to the incredibly rich.


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Question: Would one expect Warren Buffet to be a recepient, indirectly, if there are handout/bailouts to the insurance industry? His core business, of course, is insurance.

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The situation is somewhat dire. AIG is now needing more money and if it goes under than several Eurobanks will also. The system is very shakey so expect money going out to all kinds of unexpected recipients...

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Words don't mean anything anymore, since the Republicans have decided that all words are polymorphous, and mean anything that they went them to mean in different circumstances.

But I think it should be obvious to all that the people get highly indignant over the notion of 'all for one, one for all', in other words, Socialism. Unless it appliess to our dear beloved Plutocrats.

Whenever potatoes go wanting, or gasoline becomes dear, or the Plutocrats fret and moan about having to surrender Billions of profit--then Plutocratic Socialism is, by all means, the first order of the day. We should write a big fat check immediately, without even blinking, as if we were all channeling Sarah Palin. After all, they know best. And if they use the money we give them to buy up all their less powerful competitors, instead of loaning our friends and neighbors the money to buy a car or a house, well, again, they know best.

They don't even need to give us an explanation. Hell, we wouldn't understand it anyway. Just keep those potatoes coming and drill baby drill.

See, plutocrats are like Dolphins. And the rest of us are like Tuna. When the great economic net of reality catches us all up--the Plutocrats are released and set free--the rest of us become a tuna fish sandwich.

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Just so.

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c4 said;

Words don't mean anything anymore, since the Republicans have decided that all words are polymorphous, and mean anything that they went them to mean in different circumstances.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty Gingrich said, in a rather scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."

"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."

"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."

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Excellent posts John and C4

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As far as the federal government is concerned, serving the interest of the public ceased to exist about 30 years ago. Today, the public sector is nothing more than a trough at which private interests come to feed.

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Thank you, c4Logic, once again!

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Ya gotta admit -- the TARP program is funny.

We give PNC $7.7 billion, and it buys NatCity for $5.6 billion and grabs NatCity's tax losses (around $20 billion and counting*).

* I suppose these tax losses can be applied against PNC's past income and PNC will get a refund -- an additional check from Uncle Sam.

La commedia is never ending!

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It was an all (or almost all) stock deal. So the $7.7 billion is still there strengthening the combined bank. Among other things, a stronger PNC makes it more likely we'll get our $7.7 billion back eventually.

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I don't disagree with your prediction that "we'll get our $7.7 billion back," but that's somewhere around Goal #9 as far as I'm concerned.

The $7.7 billion is gone, vanished down the black hole of NatCity's insolvency -- that is, it is being used as an asset to balance out a part of NatCity's liabilities now being transfered to PNC's balance sheet. Thus, the $7.7 billion is not available to make loans* as it would be were it on PNC's balance sheet, only.

The merger encouraged by the Treasury Secretary with TARP funds and sweetheart tax-losses may have saved the FDIC some money, but that's not what we, through the Congress, authorized.

* Wasn't increasing lending, especially to Main Street, the publicly stated purpose of the emergency legislation?

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Dean Baker says;

Let's stand up for Joe the Plumber and stop giving tax dollars to the incredibly rich.

Oh yeah? Well I never head of a poor man creating jobs!

We gotta give these rich people tax cuts so they can invest and create jobs and get this economy moving again.

And we gotta pay our executives large compensation packages cause we want the best people. And don't go asking why this line of thought doesn't apply to the assembly line workers
cause they're not running the company.

And by the way, I'm in the market too, and I get capital gains. Me and Dick Cheney both made capital gains when I sold my 4 Halliburton shares,
and he sold his 60,000 Halliburton shares.

And I want to privatize Social Security, because like Our President Bush said, I can invest my money better than the government can!

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signed,

Joe the Plumber.

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Listen, the only way I'll get a kernel of rice and a bean is through the direct and noble obligation of the Ruling Class. They keep us safe from Dragons. And if, every once in a while, they ask us to sacrifice our sons and daughters to appease the Dragons, what choice do we really have? We must be grateful for the beans and rice and an occasional sack of corn meal. Please don't shut off my bean and rice deliveries--I promise to work harder, doubt less, and sacrifice more.

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c4,

Your reference to a "kernel of rice" reminded me of a 'lump of coal'. After school during the 30s I used to walk along the PA RR tracks near home looking for coal that fell off the coal cars that went by on their way to the Port Richmond piers in Philly. If a Railroad dick didn't chase me and if no one beat me to the fall offs, I could gather about one piece for ever two blocks I walked.

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You guys are smoke 'n with the snark tonight. I wish I could write runs like that.

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Try that link on TPM, the "Yielding the floor" blog by David Kurtz. A "this story" link is embedded in the first quote by reader SW. Must read from NYT.

So it was all a joke (the bailout) brought to us by the Bush clowns. Our 700 billion won't be used to bandaid the credit market, it will be used to capitalize some banks so they can buy up other banks. Bush's final legacy movida - the era of the MegaBankoids.

The end of the column is good, re: Chris Dodd. I'm signing on to this revolution he's predicting.

To quote: "Late Thursday afternoon, I caught up with Senator Dodd, and asked him what he was going to do if the loan situation didn’t improve. “All I can tell you is that we are going to have the bankers up here, probably in another couple of weeks and we are going to have a very blunt conversation,” he replied.

He continued: “If it turns out that they are hoarding, you’ll have a revolution on your hands. People will be so livid and furious that their tax money is going to line their pockets instead of doing the right thing. There will be hell to pay.” end quote.

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Yeah Chris, a very blunt conversation will show 'em. And if that doesn't work, well, you can send them subpoenas. When the Democrats threaten to "hold hearings" I yawn.

Weren't Dodd and Schumer, among other Dems, supporters of the Gramm, Leach, Bliley Act?

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I hope you read the article, John - and sorry I am too dumb to make a proper link to it.

But remember that Dodd threatened blunt conversation *before* the revolution. (I wonder if carnivore is picking this up...excuse me, there's someone at the door)

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I call it: Harpo Marxism.

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Hey, good to hear (read) your voice (electrons), PCA.

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hey to you too. do you check the email shown at impixelationwerkes as a contact? i want to show you a new photo-chop technique i'm playing around with.

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yes, that'll do the trick.

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I think it’s very telling who needs whom.
Sales are down at many locations and not just the big-ticket items.

People who have money are not spending; so much for the idea that it’s all because we taxed the rich, business is shutting down.

In Arizona there is a new ad campaign showing a farmer, with a tractor in the background, crying about how he will not hire new workers, because he’s afraid of the Obama tax plan. People like Obama have never had a business, so how would they know Blah Blah Blah”

1st I wish we had a counter ad, showing how these farmers never really hired anyone but undocumented workers.

2nd We need to show some successful Democrats who have had successful businesses, who hired despite the taxes

3rd I guess this farmer doesn’t understand that when consumers willing to part with their money, and his business picked up, to the point that his current staff couldn’t keep up with demand. I guess he’d be one stupid businessperson to not increase his hiring, because of his fear of Obamas tax plan.

Give me a break I wish I were in a higher tax bracket because it would mean I was making more money.

If the promise of the Industrial Revolution is going to now, make me a slave to the rich and the manufacturing giants, then I say we need land reform, and give the people the right to go back to the land for their survival.

From the good land I'll put a roof over my head; I'll have livestock for food and clothing, and we’ll see who needs whom.

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Let's stand up for Joe the Plumber and stop giving tax dollars to the incredibly rich.
OK, exactly which industries are you willing to let go bankrupt? What group of people are you going to kiss off as collateral damage, when they lose their jobs?

Assuming that this process of bailouts and bankruptcies will be continuing after January, it will be illustrative to see how the rhetoric will change. I predict the bailouts will continue, but in the interest of saving jobs, and that all the skinflints will amazingly become concerned citizens overnight.

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It was only a matter of time. Insurance companies put their huge pools of money, which they receive in the form of premiums, into the stock market and other investments. When the market goes down, the insurance companies no longer have the required reserves.

My health insurance premiums just went up over 28% over last year. The reason given in the letter I received today was higher medical costs and higher use of medical services. Since I once worked for the industry, I know the real reason is losses in the stock market. Every time the market goes down, the premiums go up. But do they ever admit this is the reason for the premium increases? Never.

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10 days. 10 days and everything changes because in 10 days, the game changes. We get a new boss. NOT the same as the old boss. I'm willing to bet that what is happening today will bear little resemblance to what will be happening beginning on 20 January.

The entire world is just waiting for that incompetent bastard to be gone.

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He won't be gone in 10 days. Cheney has months to fiddle in Rome.

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"Let's stand up for Joe the Plumber and stop giving tax dollars to the incredibly rich."
I agree with the latter half of your sentence, but not the first.
I want Joe to stand up for himself. The only thing keeping him erect at the present time is the wind whistling between his ears.

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My first reaction to the bailout news was that it was going to become a new strategy for big corporations to obtain corporate welfare.

But it would be a raw deal for anyone to lose their policy if they have to start over at higher premiums with a new insurer. (I don't know if the Gov. insures insurance like it does bank deposits does it?)

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I don't disagree with you on the need to get lending going. I'm not sure bank mergers are necessarily detrimental to this, since the total assets and liabilities remain the same and some uncertainty risk is removed.

I'd be a lot more upset if the purchase had been for cash, using the Treasury infusion. Quite a bit of the MSM reporting hasn't been making that distinction.

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The problem with both Obama and McCain is that they sound like they are running for King, not President.

They keep saying they are going to "take" from one class and "give" to another. Does a President have that power?

I can't find it in my copy of the US Constitution.

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Moratoriums on top-executive pay and dividends are simply good business sense when a company's future is at stake. Do you want someone whose first priority is whether they get to buy their annual yacht or mansion making crucial management decisions? No. This is called the agency problem. And the shareholders are already in negative-equity territory; if they want to sell to someone who thinks the company might be in a position to pay dividends later if it economizes now, they're welcome to do so.

But nah, the asylum really is being run by the inmates. And they're drawing some fine fees for doing it.

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