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Hi Claire :)
October 15, 2008 9:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for your patience and sorry for the inconvenience!
Best regards, Mary, CEO of youtube downloader
December 22, 2010 7:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a smart blog. I mean it. You have so much knowledge about this issue, and so much passion. You also know how to make people rally behind it, obviously from the responses. Youve got a design here thats not too flashy, but makes a statement as big as what youre saying. Great job,children health indeed.
January 21, 2011 8:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
DUDE! McCAIN THE INTERRUPTOR!!!
October 15, 2008 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain needs to let Obama finishes his sentences, otherwise what will McCain have to repeat as though it's his own idea?
October 15, 2008 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Claire.
Obama has counter punched like a champ so far. He is making a clear case that McCain is running for the top 2% (small biz owners that makes more than $250K) and driving the point home that he's cutting taxes for 95% of all working Americans.
So far, he's perfect.
October 15, 2008 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who does Joe the Plumber expect will be his customers? Without some redistribution, there are fewer customers. The wealth disparity implies not much in the broad middle.
My oldest friend does work at Joe's level, and has had no work since spring, in Chevy Chase and Bethesda, MD. Owning that business is moot, at the moment.
October 15, 2008 9:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
We're all plumbers now Tom.
October 15, 2008 9:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's Joe's gross? If that tubby fool is netting over 250K I'd be shocked.
October 15, 2008 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is a bit disjointed. He did get the "Share the wealth" bit in.
October 15, 2008 9:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
A hatchet then a scalpal. Ha!
October 15, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ready. Fire. Aim.
October 15, 2008 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have a plan; boy does that sound creepily familiar.
Nixon with an anger problem.
October 15, 2008 9:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here he goes again with the overhead projector!
October 15, 2008 9:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stop your stinking "I know better than you, whippersnapper" smiling!
October 15, 2008 9:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think a scalpel will do much good after you've cut off your leg with a hatchet.
October 15, 2008 9:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain keeps picking up that Sharpie like a scalpel....look out!
October 15, 2008 9:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now he's getting pissed.. Im not President Bush.....
October 15, 2008 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
New math. 92 becomes 2?
October 15, 2008 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was pretty good line about running against Bush 4 years ago.
October 15, 2008 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
My name is Joe, I am a plumber and I don't mind paying a little extra so kids can go to the planetarium and see with their own eyes that Earth is not flat.
October 15, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent!
October 15, 2008 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
McPain's supporters must be getting a hard on with his attacks.
October 15, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes it was politigirl.. its going to a tougher fight for O
October 15, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Scars to prove it, that's subtle.
October 15, 2008 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did McCain just say he opposed the Iraq War?
October 15, 2008 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
"WHen it comes to economic policies, essentially what you're proposing is eight years of the same thing" -- BOOM, there it is. Actually, it's somewhat less true in that these days McCain doesn't KNOW what he's proposing from one hour to the next, so who the hell knows if it will continue the Bush policies or not?
October 15, 2008 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
The War in Iraq which "I vigorously opposed"???? What?
October 15, 2008 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Republicans scarred McCain???
October 15, 2008 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, show the scars, Please, please, please.
October 15, 2008 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I never liked the notion that Obama needed to be tougher, but I think he may need to bring it tonight.
October 15, 2008 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
SHIEFFER GOES THERE!!
October 15, 2008 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Am I crazy or is he countering McCain beautifully?! He is clear and coherent in all his counterattacks.
October 15, 2008 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Door's open, McCain ...
October 15, 2008 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is really coming off like an angry old man.
October 15, 2008 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
He has used that scars line about a dozen times.
October 15, 2008 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here we go!
October 15, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
No town hall meetings—that's why I did it. It's Obama's fault.
October 15, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
OMG, the TOWN HALLS are to blame for the "nasty turn"!!
October 15, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why would Obama stand up to his party if he thinks they're right?
October 15, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Because he didn't play my games by my rules, I had to go negative"
October 15, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
George Wallace. He's about to CRY!!!!
October 15, 2008 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right, the tone would have been different because .... of TOWN HALLS Obama disagreed to do.
And of course the revisionist history of who started this negative shit! Fucking McCain!
October 15, 2008 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't wait to hear Obama's response to this.
October 15, 2008 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cue the violins.
October 15, 2008 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wouldnt have done the town halls either. Never fight on the others guys turf. Too wasy to put in plants..
October 15, 2008 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
waaaah! waaaaah! waaaaah!
October 15, 2008 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Every time there has been an outbounds remark by a Republican I have repudiated it!" Well, why don't we start with your running mate.
Sheesh!
October 15, 2008 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Holy toledo...."I've always repudiated" the nasty language, McCain? Try again, old man!
October 15, 2008 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain: Rep. Lewis hurt me.
Obama: Well, look. (Wish he would drop that mannerism.)
October 15, 2008 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's playing the victim card?! He's rolling over...hahahaha.
October 15, 2008 9:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
BOOM, 527's!!
October 15, 2008 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
YESSSS!!!! Barack called him on the town hall BS!
October 15, 2008 9:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like they didnt run those Celebrity adds..
Obama.. he's a celebrity.. no he's different.. no he's risky.. Risky Business Celebrity..
October 15, 2008 9:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Door was open for Ayers and nothing from McCutNRun.
October 15, 2008 9:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
So sweet to see GOP complaining about lack of money!
October 15, 2008 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't believe that McCain is going on about negative attacks.
October 15, 2008 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joe the Plumber, wasn't he in the Clash.
October 15, 2008 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fuck! Obama brought it up! YES!!!!!!!!!
October 15, 2008 9:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a sniveling little turd. What happened to the tough repugs. Feelings hurt right and left.
Hit him with all the phrases from the psychos at the bible spice rallies. "Kill him!" has no place in US elections at all.
October 15, 2008 9:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mount McCain is gonna blow. Look out!
October 15, 2008 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stop interrupting him old man!
October 15, 2008 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think McCain is doing okay for what he's trying to do. I don't agree with him but he's aort of hanging in there.
October 15, 2008 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Repudiation is a daaaaaangerous submerged reef, McCain, not sure you wanna sail in that direction...
October 15, 2008 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is he talking about?!?!?!?
October 15, 2008 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
People who come to your rallies are racist, too, you a-hole.
October 15, 2008 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's playing the veteran card.
October 15, 2008 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jesus Christ what the hell is that old man talking about!?
October 15, 2008 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain on spot, squirming.
Patriotic bigots!
What's the T-shirt that gets to McC?
October 15, 2008 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I gotta t-shirt of a pig with lipstick?
October 15, 2008 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
What the hell is he talking about now?
McCrazy is starting to lose it.
watch the fireworks start.
October 15, 2008 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain, the whiner. There's that repudiate line again. Does someone have an actual count on McCain's repudiations?
October 15, 2008 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is bullshit. Get off this nonsense.
October 15, 2008 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
What about what PALIN said? Did you repudiate that???
October 15, 2008 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't agree with him but he's aort of hanging in there.
Yes, his aorta hasn't given way yet.
October 15, 2008 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
he's gonna blow!!!!!!!!!!
October 15, 2008 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
IT is the Economy, Stupid!
October 15, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
And there it is! Kick him where it hurts, O ...
October 15, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh my God he's going with ACORN!
October 15, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
ACORN IS DESTROYING THE FABRIC OF DEMOCRACY -- RUN FOR THE HILLS!!
October 15, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
YESSSSS!!! Here comes the KNOCKOUT PUNCH!
October 15, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
He still won't look him in the eye.
October 15, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Im watching CNN>. evertime McCain talks both graphs go down...so far. Men seem to be more interested in Ayers.. the dirty terrorist..
October 15, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
his aorta, heh...I didn't do that on purpose
October 15, 2008 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well done, Arjay ;-)
October 15, 2008 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fabric of democracy!?! Are you shitting me?
What about the fabric of our US union with secessionists from the Alaska Independence Party?
October 15, 2008 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
10 bucks (for Obama, of course) says McCain loses it tonight....
October 15, 2008 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh awesome, I forgot about the CNN lines!
October 15, 2008 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, arjay. Over-excited.
October 15, 2008 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Let me tell you who I do associate with" -- SWEET!
October 15, 2008 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain sure is a blinky son of a bitch, ain't he?
October 15, 2008 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
What in god's name is McCain smirking at?
October 15, 2008 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
excellent..."let me tell you who I DO associaate with"
October 15, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mccain is going nowhere.
October 15, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Side note: Why is Obama wearing a red tie and Grampa Simpson wearing a blue one?
October 15, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Speaks to each others' tailor bases ;-)
October 15, 2008 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
WOW...he is really losing it!
October 15, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is getting pummeled.
October 15, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
John McCain had a long association with Cindy McCain while he was still married to his 1st wife...
BOO, I SAID IT!
October 15, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
OUCH, Running mates. Here it comes.
October 15, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
HA....he's gotta justify Sarah Barracuda. LOL!!!
October 15, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for VP hit, Bob!
October 15, 2008 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
HERE WE GOOOOOOOO!!!!!
October 15, 2008 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
could somebody *please* make McCain quit lying about Obama raising taxes? sheesh
October 15, 2008 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, Obama just said, "that's a lie".
October 15, 2008 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is wrong with McCain's eyes?? One is all watery and bulgy... oh and the incessant blinking...
October 15, 2008 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
His head is going to explode soon.
October 15, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
OMG, McCain is so rambly, it's like trying to follow a bumblebee around the room with your eyes...
October 15, 2008 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I had to turn it off, got tired of screaming at the TV!!! There is just NO WAY that I even give a damn what McCain has to say about anything at all!
October 15, 2008 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Biden is from Scranton. Nuff said.
Bible spice wants her state to be its own country.
October 15, 2008 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love that the younger guy comes off as more mature than the older one...
October 15, 2008 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
and down goes the CNN lines!
October 15, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait a minute...she is no role model to me!
October 15, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
WHat a great question. I'm sooo happpy.
October 15, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin is a role model?
October 15, 2008 9:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
The natural gas pipeline is gonna "relieve the energy dependence of the Lower 48"???
HAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA
October 15, 2008 9:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
a bresh of freth air
October 15, 2008 9:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Should we start a pool on when Mac's head explodes?
Wishful thinking, but still.
October 15, 2008 9:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes...and all the money goes to Obama.com. I already bet $10.
October 15, 2008 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
CNN line: Ohio Uncommitted Men seem to like Sarah Barracuda.
October 15, 2008 9:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, but interestingly enough the uncommitted women line drops waaaay down when he brings her up...
October 15, 2008 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Autism?? where the hell did that come from
October 15, 2008 9:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
is he SERIOUS!!!!!
October 15, 2008 9:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really, Sarah Palin should be president because she has a special needs child. Really?!!?
October 15, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Score!
October 15, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
COCKAMAMIE!!
October 15, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who coached Mac so he would smile once in a while?
October 15, 2008 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin breath of fresh air?
October 15, 2008 9:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now he's interrupting the moderator too.
October 15, 2008 9:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Obama lost an opportunity with the Palin question...
October 15, 2008 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Obama pointed out a fundamental flaw in McCrazy's econ policy...nice...
October 15, 2008 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin reminds me of that line from "The Electric Horseman" "She's very breathy".. "Hell thats all she is breath"..
October 15, 2008 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let me get this right, McCain is gonna ELIMINATE MidEast and Venezuelan oil imports in 4 years? I think he might be trying out for a guest spot on "HEROES" right now.
October 15, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
HOw about all the russian subs at the bottom of the black sea with nuclear reactors aboard being not the safest.
HOLY SHIT. I am now making stupid comments. McGrumpy is making me stupid just listening to him.
October 15, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hate to say this, but I think Obama's response on the Ayers/ACORN issue should have been smoother. And maybe harder hitting. I mean, he practiced that, right?
October 15, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin reminds me of that line from "The Electric Horseman" "She's very breathy".. "Hell thats all she is breath"..
October 15, 2008 9:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I liked Obama's response. Let's see how it plays.
October 15, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
What the heck is the fixation on 45 nuke plants? Where does that number come from? It's a drop in the bucket, and dwarfed by the amount of energy going up our smokestacks.
Who's buying that policy plank?
October 15, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
this is clearly McCain's best performance
October 15, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK - I am able to breathe. DO NOT TALK ABOUT Palin supporting austistic families. She doesn't have a clue... speaking as a mom of an autistic son. If she did, she would not be parading her special needs baby around like she does. She cut funds for special needs - the Special Olymics - as Govenor. Obama, you made a mistake. She is someone that ABSOLUTELY should NOT be respected on anything, particularly in this realm. Uggghhhh!!!!
October 15, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Drill, drill, drill. Then drill some more.
October 15, 2008 9:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is elder abuse
October 15, 2008 9:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I AM a free trader, I'd trade my soul, wait, oops, I did already...
October 15, 2008 9:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
The left side of McCain's face seems to be swelling up as the hour goes by.
October 15, 2008 9:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
No one has the money to build 45 nuke plants.
October 15, 2008 9:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Columbia..that's next to Spain
This is not a fair fight
October 15, 2008 9:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see, Non-Traveling Obama is now responsible for killing our teens.
Hit him hard Obama.
October 15, 2008 9:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hate to say this, but I think Obama's response on the Ayers/ACORN issue should have been smoother. And maybe harder hitting. I mean, he practiced that, right?
Be sure to e-mail Barry your analysis and suggestions. He'll appreciate it.
October 15, 2008 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
No one has the money to build 45 nuke plants.
October 15, 2008 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's not a smile, it's a smirk. And he looks pathetic.
October 15, 2008 9:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is not a fair fight
Top of the 5th
Phillies 4
Bums 0
October 15, 2008 9:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain's worst debate performance?
October 15, 2008 9:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pitiable
October 15, 2008 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
and we have a dip at Obama wants to talk with terrorists. wow
October 15, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
mccain is communicating "fuck you, barry.." via his morse code eye blinking. check it out...from his navy days.
October 15, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
New topic, yes. Boy was that a weird exchange.
October 15, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right, John, you're an expert on Columbia because you were born next door and went down there earlier this year when the hostages were freed.
A President can't know everything so I doubt making a junket trips to Bogota will provide that much enlightenment to a McCain administration.
October 15, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
mccain is communicating "fuck you, barry.." via his morse code eye blinking. check it out...from his navy days.
October 15, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think he realizes that the camera is still on him when Obama's speaking
October 15, 2008 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think McCain could have just as easily pre-recorded his entire debate performance tonight.
He drifts from topic to topic as if he doesn't know where he is. He interrupts when no one else is talking.
He's swinging at a pinata with a blindfold on.
October 15, 2008 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mac still has trouble taking Obama seriously.
October 15, 2008 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mac still has trouble taking Obama seriously.
October 15, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can someone with HDTV tell me if McCain's goiter is getting bigger during the debate?
October 15, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Health care....okay, Johnny Mac, what ya got?
October 15, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
lines going up on O's health care speal......McCain mouth open.. lines down....
October 15, 2008 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
When I get sick, I'm going to cough on Johnny
October 15, 2008 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think he's said "my friends" once...and that's a full chug in our game over here...
October 15, 2008 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whoops, just did.
October 15, 2008 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was just to his "friend Joe." He hasn't mentioned the rest of us yet...
October 15, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Be sure to e-mail Barry your analysis and suggestions. He'll appreciate it.
Not really sure what that's supposed to mean. I thought we were all just talking here.
October 15, 2008 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
How ya gonna pay for those fitness programs, McSurly?
October 15, 2008 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
So McCain swung back to apathetic when he threatened to spin out of control if he got engaged.
He punked, all the way. And he didn't even tempt Obama into vulgarity!
October 15, 2008 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is sticking to his game plan from debates 1 and 2. Not, necessarily, a bad idea. But I do wish he would take this egomaniacal, philandering, flip-flopping bigamist out to the woodshed and throttle his arrogant ass.
October 15, 2008 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, you have been the star of this debate Johnny Plumber. Did you hear McCain announce that you are rich? That means you make more than 5 million a year. Can I borrow 50 bucks?
October 15, 2008 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ha McCain is shocked!! "ZERO?!"
October 15, 2008 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did he just slow down and articulate for McCain as if he's a little kid?? I LOVE IT!!
October 15, 2008 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
thank goodness Obama said "your fine is zero"...I can't believe he left that hanging before
October 15, 2008 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, What the fuck is this Joe Plumber stuff?
Is McCain really pandering to the Plumber vote?
McCain is trying to get the plumbers on his side because he is going down the shit can as we speak.
P.S. Nice job pissing off Canada and England.
October 15, 2008 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain just was just hoisted on his own Plumber Joe.
October 15, 2008 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Refunds? Didn't somebody else just try this?? Is McCave trying to buy votes here?
October 15, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again, what the hell is a "refundable" tax credit?
Refundable to whom???
October 15, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
It means that if application of the credit to the amount of taxes due results in a negative number, the negative amount is paid to you as a refund.
October 15, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama seems a bit off his game tonight. He should have been able to make a slam dunk against McCain's health plan, but the problems in McCain's problem came off as a bit incoherent.
October 15, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. When it's time to close the sale, Obama always messes it up. Look for the polls to tighten over the next few days. Obama is blowing it tonight. His biggest weakness is that when he's ahead, he gets cocky and starts f*cking around.
October 15, 2008 10:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is kind of sucking tonight. He's being diffuse and wonky. He should be more direct. McCain just talked about how he wants to freeze Federal spending. Fine. Whatever. But then he said he wanted to build 45 (I think) new nuclear power plants. Obama's response should have been, "How are you going to pay for that, John? You just said that you're going to freeze Federal spending. Each plant costs billions of dollars to build. How are you going to pay for those plants?"
I'm giving this one (reluctantly) to McCain.
October 15, 2008 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that Obama isn't real sharp tonight; fortunately neither is McCain.
October 15, 2008 10:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm watching it on CNN because my wife won the argument. I HATE that line down at the bottom. It's completely distracting. I think Obama is doing better in this later part of the debate. And I think the closing arguments are going to be critical. From what I've heard so far, I'm guessing tonight will be seen as a draw, which will probably benefit McCain.
October 15, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good point about the plants.
October 15, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama, do not let that BS about the fine slide
October 15, 2008 10:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Honestly, I still can't get over the old man saying that ACORN threatens to destroy the fabric of democracy!!!!!!!
October 15, 2008 10:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, who is this hypothetical joe guy that McCain is hitching his wagon to?
McCain should go to his debate prep team and punch them right in the chops.
October 15, 2008 10:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Every time granny goes back to Joe the Plumber he flatlines on the CNN meter
October 15, 2008 10:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't get this whole obsession with rich Joe plumber who is going to get taxed. Does regular Joe plumber care?
October 15, 2008 10:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
tooo much gummint
October 15, 2008 10:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
BoomBoom.. Joe Plumber was a guy Obama talked to on the stump. Video is out there..
October 15, 2008 10:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry angelfish (lovely name)! Just over-excited and all worked up. I apologise.
October 15, 2008 10:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hubert Humphrey was called the Happy Warrior.
John McCain is the unhappy Warrior.
October 15, 2008 10:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Senator Government? I think that's Jennifer Government's uncle.
October 15, 2008 10:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fun book.
October 15, 2008 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Senator O'Government?
October 15, 2008 10:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is doing too much smirking while McCain is talking. He'd be better off keeping a serious demeanor and then rebutting when it is his turn.
The smirking makes him look somewhat condescending.
October 15, 2008 10:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's already been negated by McCain rolling his eyes and fuming on the other side. He's smirking because McCain is lying and he's countered everything he's shot at him so far.
October 15, 2008 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
McBlinky is the creepiest old man I know. Scary and twitchy.
October 15, 2008 10:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with the above. Obama's style worked, why change tonight. This is a nod to Obama. Can't imagine how very difficult it must be to stay cool next to this filth....
October 15, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Breyer?
October 15, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
hrebendorf and arjay I think you're wrong- MCCain is smirking and nonsensical and talking to John Smallberries the fucking plumber
October 15, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I personally like what Obama is saying, and I hate what McCain is saying. But I'm trying to not judge it from my personal perspective. I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of an undecided voter. And from that perspective, I'm looking for clarity. I'm not looking for a TKO--I'm looking for that one killer blow that decides this thing once and for all. Obama hasn't hit McCain hard enough yet. It's all about the post-debate narrative. And I think the pundits are going to say that McCain made a comeback.
October 15, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
If I see McCain or Palin wink one more time I'm going to throw my fucking television against the wall.
October 15, 2008 10:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I must have missed it. Thanks Mysterious Stranger.
BTW. I am assuming that this is a guy who makes more than $250K if McCain keeps bringing him up.
October 15, 2008 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah he's obviously a very well off plumber. Probably owns a solid business. He's not the journeyman who works 50 hrs a week.
He's trying to make Obama out to be a socialist but he's making a very populist argument. I think it's been effective.
October 15, 2008 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did he say Breyer? Does he mean Alito? Does he even know what he means?
October 15, 2008 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not liking Obama's way of speaking either. He sounds mealy-mouthed. I was hoping he'd move away from that, and speak more decisively. It's a style issue..., not one of substance.
October 15, 2008 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
And why is McCain constantly smirking? I realize that I am looking at this through biased eyes, but he is an ass. Would it be that hard to show a little respect for your opponent?
October 15, 2008 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain couldn't bring himself to say Obama's name there at the beginning of the closing statement. Odd.
October 15, 2008 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't imagine how tired they must be.
October 15, 2008 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joe the Plumber on GMA tomorrow?
October 15, 2008 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Culture war called!
October 15, 2008 10:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
The womens line peaked when O talked about a judge supporting womens rights.
October 15, 2008 10:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Trial lawyers dream? are you serious? It is better to tromp on the dreams of trial lawyers then bring justice to women. So much for pandering to the women even with Palin on your ticket.
October 15, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think McCain is getting some serious licks in...I don't like it, but I think he is
October 15, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's trying to throw the hardest punches but Obama keeps setting the record straight pretty clearly.
October 15, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come on, you guys - Obama may not be shining, but he is mopping the floor with McBlinky.
October 15, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
The pundits have every reason to call this one for McCain since it will make for a more compelling story line. I'm sure the instapolls will give it to Obama again, though.
October 15, 2008 10:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another roll of the yes by McCain...
Not a good thing.
October 15, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just noticed that both candidates are lefties.
Now I feel threatened that righties rights are under attack.
October 15, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
O is hitting it out of the park on the abortion issue.
October 15, 2008 10:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
These are all tough issues. Thats why its called the culture war.
October 15, 2008 10:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is constantly on the defense tonight...I don't like it.
October 15, 2008 10:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please God bring it back to the economy!!!!!!!!!
I am not pregnant, I am broke. SPEAK TO ME!!!!!!
October 15, 2008 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought McCain was committed to making his ads about Obama's character and associations stick?
He went nowhere.
October 15, 2008 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think McCain's eye rolling and smirking are on par with Gore's sighs in 2000...
October 15, 2008 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not wise to dis "health of the mother."
October 15, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hard work these tough issues.
October 15, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is sighing louder than Gore did in 2000.
October 15, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, and he's being snottier, too. Didn't think it was possible.
October 15, 2008 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joe the Plumber
October 15, 2008 10:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is that true, that we spend more per capita than European states on education?
October 15, 2008 10:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I bet Japan and the rest of South East Asia spends more than us.
October 15, 2008 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well maybe Japan, China and maybe S. Korea, the rest of Asia is pretty poor.
October 15, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Education is a good lead into the economy.
October 15, 2008 10:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is an adoptive parent. Great. So am I.
He needs to do the math. Most adoptions in the US are of related children. The remainder is about 50,000 per year.
There are > 1M abortions a year. Does he propose that each adoptive parent now adopt 20x as many children as they have already?
October 15, 2008 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Where are the parents?"
October 15, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Health" of the mother? "Health" in slimy little air quotes?
I just had to stop the TV and scream Fuck You, John McCain multiple times. Anyone who would dare oppose a provision to protect the health of the mother in an anti-abortion is a vile, scum-sucking, woman-hating pig.
So, just one more time, fuck you, John McCain.
October 15, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
If there were any remaining undecided women, I think he just lost them all with that. I wanted to kick him in his head just then.
October 16, 2008 12:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
McPoops is denigrating the "health of the mother" concern re: abortion. That'll go over real well with the "human" demographic, eh? What a deplorable slag.
October 15, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think McCain is insane.
October 15, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, let me see, eloquence is bad. Stammering, convoluted, sniggering bombast is good.
October 15, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
arjay: I think McCain is getting some serious licks in...I don't like it, but I think he is
He's gotten a couple. But it's been more than offset by Obama. Watching the CNN lines, it's clear that obama is getting bigger approval than McCain on most issues.
October 15, 2008 10:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Poorly educated people. Hell that is McCain's base.
Sorry, this debate has got the worse of me.
October 15, 2008 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, Phoebe, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel!! ;-)
October 15, 2008 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Charter schools again. How much does it cost to enroll your child in a charter school, John? Ain't cheap here in NY!
October 15, 2008 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did he just say that uncertified military personnel should be teachers? As opposed to people who trained for the job??
October 15, 2008 10:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's what I heard.
October 15, 2008 10:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
WIth all love to the soldiers - I need a person with PTSD who is uncertified teaching my kid. NOT
October 15, 2008 10:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Say hello to President Obama. McCain sounds like a total idiot tonight. For a guy who had to "hit one out of the park tonight" he's striking out big time.
Michelle, go ahead on over to the White House and measure for those drapes.
October 15, 2008 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
According to one source we are second, way behind Norway, in per-capita education spending, with them at $2850 and the US at $1780.
http://www.oclc.org/reports/escan/economic/educationlibraryspending.htm
October 15, 2008 10:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, more condescension from Granddaddy McCain.
October 15, 2008 10:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain reminds me of Captain Queeg.
October 15, 2008 10:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm watching on C-Span, with a split-screen format. If you haven't seen it, you should take a look. It's almost impossible to endure looking at McCain's grimacing, twitching, blinking mug while Obama is speaking.
October 15, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here we go again ...
October 15, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Condescending self-righteous prick.
October 15, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's seething. This works well with the angry white guy and his follow-ons.
What the hell does Palin know about autism?
October 15, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd place a lot of that high education cost on the textbook biz.
October 15, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does McCain know that Palin's kid doesn't have autism?
October 15, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just wish Obama would say "Calm down Johnny...you're about to bust a gut!"
October 15, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's cause Sarah is autistic
October 15, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Many Navy and Airforce vets have years of experience teaching technical subjects. Its part of their development program as they go up in NCO ranks. I work with a lot of them and they are very well trained. It wouldn't take much to put them into vocational technical training. A lot of them have BA's anyway.
October 15, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, but are they trained to teach KIDS? My experience with military educators is that they're trained to work with adults. I don't know that plugging military folks into public schools (except maybe grades 11 or 12) is a great idea.
October 15, 2008 10:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a fucking idiot. Palin's kid has Down Syndrom. NOT AUTISM!!!!
Is his head up his ass? What the fuck is he talking about?
October 15, 2008 10:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
He has seemed to be confused on this issue in other public appearances as well.
October 15, 2008 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain just said, "We'll spend the money to combat autism." Didn't he already say he was going to freeze Federal spending?
October 15, 2008 10:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sarcasm. Lovely. Pathetic old man.
October 15, 2008 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yay! Obama gets last word.
October 15, 2008 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again with the joking. Fabulous. Goodbye, John. Don't let the voters slam the door on your ass on the way out.
Better yet, I hope they do.
October 15, 2008 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
As the parent of a child with autism, can I just say how much I want to punch this man in the mouth right now?
October 15, 2008 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain Advisers: "Senator, our focus group polling clearly shows that undecided voters in battleground states are looking for an angry prick to lead this country."
McCain: "Well, it's a stretch, but I'll really let Angry John out tonight."
[McCain leaves the room]
McCain Advisers: "Oh Shit, the chart was upside down..."
October 15, 2008 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good one!
October 15, 2008 11:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
2000 sluts, now that's a high school!
October 15, 2008 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I was waiting for Obama to take another bite at that federal spending freeze. He says he'll freeze it, but then he rattles off a list of programs and things we need to do.
October 15, 2008 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh no.. he stole the "we cant keep doing what we have been doing for 8 years" line..
October 15, 2008 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
made you to make us trust us
I trust you not one bit
October 15, 2008 10:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Same failed Politics!!!
SLAM.
October 15, 2008 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
During the dirty campaign segment, McCain kept looking at his marker whenever Obama was shaming him. It says Sharpie, John. Or is your soul in there?
October 15, 2008 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gave me a hernia laughing. Off to the ER, thanks.
October 15, 2008 10:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, if this was paradigm shifting game changer, I missed it.
October 15, 2008 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
All right, in the event that someone else hasn't pointed this out yet, Palin's latest child has Down's Syndrome, which is why McCain continues to refer to Autism. Both special needs children, just one can't be diagnosed with a genetic test, at least not yet.
October 15, 2008 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama had better nail his closer. He has the last word. Let's hear it.
October 15, 2008 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Crashing planes and constant partying have resulted in McLame's obvious brain rot. Obama laid off him tonight. Kind of too bad, but not too bad (if you know what I mean).
October 15, 2008 10:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is going to freeze spending, use a chainsaw, hand our $200 billion in tax credits to the wealthy and punish poor school systems, and end safe legal abortion to build the orphanage sweat shops we need to compete with the Chinese...
And balance the budget by 2012. While he deals with the worst economic crisis in a century.
McCain is right-- these are not George Bush's economic policies. They are Herbert Hoover's.
October 15, 2008 10:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Brooks has a crush.
October 15, 2008 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have no idea how this would have looked to somebody whose biases are opposite mine. And I just don't understand people who are still undecided. (!!) But to me Obama was very cool and calm, and McCain was a seething, jerky, interrupting hot-head. Obama made sense just like always does... to me.
October 15, 2008 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doesn't anyone know if Joe the Plumber is related to Joe Six pack?
October 15, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why can't Obama just say, "Hold the bus....Let's make this clear once and for all...I am not going to raise you taxes, and when Sen. McCain says I am that is just total complete BS"
October 15, 2008 10:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because by repeating the statement he reemphasizes the frame, even if he is denying it.
October 15, 2008 10:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to change the channel Bill Bennett is on.
What a putz..
October 15, 2008 10:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
With the exception of the one question asked specifically about their running mates, the only time McCain mentions Palin is when he is talking about special needs Children. I guess her main qualification for being President is having a child with downs syndrome.
October 15, 2008 10:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Except he kept calling Down Syndrome "Autism"
October 15, 2008 10:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, I commented on that. It's one of the last comments. He really doesn't know the difference, and there is a ton of difference in symptoms and treatment.
October 15, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is mentally unbalanced.
October 15, 2008 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Brooks definitely has a crush. Who wants to live with McCain on your TV for 4 yrs? But Obama, cool.
October 15, 2008 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Brooks has been running away from this crush all year. That's why he writes one of those weird anti-Obama columns about once a month.
October 15, 2008 10:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Begala called McCain "Grumpy McNasty" in the split screen. Said he looked like Gore in 2000...
October 15, 2008 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank gawd that shit is over. I have to agree with what I just heard Rachel Maddow say - the repercussions of McCain ridiculing concerns about the mother's life and health (in context of abortion legislation) are going to be huge.
October 15, 2008 10:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain voters should save money on gas
October 15, 2008 10:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I completely agree with David Gergen. Obama started off weak and McCain clobbered him. Obama won the last half hour.
October 15, 2008 10:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think McCain clobbered Obama. He would have needed to be coherent in order to do that. But Obama definitely was not sharp tonight.
October 15, 2008 10:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I dont agree the McCain clobbered anyone.
October 15, 2008 10:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think I overstated that. I thought McCain beat him in the first half. I thought Obama dominated the second half. I don't think anybody got clobbered tonight (although the CNN polling is showing that McCain did).
McCain said he'd whip Obama's you-know-what tonight. He did not whip Obama's you-know-what tonight. CNN's polls indicate another big loss for McCain. Possibly his penultimate loss.
October 15, 2008 11:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama wire to wire
October 15, 2008 10:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did McCain call health care plans that cover transplants Cadillac plans and equate those transplants with cosmetic surgery or did I not hear that right?
October 15, 2008 10:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even he is not sure what he said about that.
October 15, 2008 10:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think he meant hair transplants. He's hit that line before - I think maybe Biden had hair transplants.
October 15, 2008 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Andrea Mitchell is nuts. She thinks McCain won the night. Seems to be equating aggression with victory.
October 15, 2008 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain keeps saying that Sarah P. knows about autism. Her child is Downs. Can she see autism from her front porch? They are very different conditions, but I doubt that J.M knows the difference or even what Palin's son has.
October 15, 2008 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can't touch Down's since it is a well-understood birth defect whose only prevention is early abortion.
October 15, 2008 10:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
O-Kay ........ at least there's some sense to that. I was wondering if no one had the nerve to tell him that Trig was a Downs baby, not autistic or that he was unable to understand the difference. Good heavens! I understand why I've never been able to be doctrinaire. Just couldn't make a statement so apparently off-the-wall like that without connecting the dots.
October 16, 2008 12:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Candy Crowley thinks that McCain's "angry moment" might be the defining moment of the debate. I missed it, unfortunately. To me, he always looks like an angry jackass. Gloria Borger thinks McCain blew it when he said he'd balance the budget. I agree. No one believes it can be done, and McCain sounded clueless when he said it. Obama's biggest missed opportunity this evening was not pointing out the utter ABSURDITY of McCain's pledge to freeze the Federal budget. It's an asinine pledge and Obama should have beat him over the head with it.
Line of the night: "Senator Obama, I am not President Bush."
October 15, 2008 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama did come back to this pledge a couple of times...like when McCain said he'd increase funding for autism. Maybe he could have hounded the issue a little more, I guess.
October 15, 2008 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Obama is already looking ahead to the presidency. When he talked about working with Democrats, Republicans and Independents, I got the distinct impression that he's already working toward that goal. I don't think he wants to stir up partisan tension this late in the game, and I think he's willing to lose a point or two in the polls in order to keep the rancor at an absolute minimum.
I'm listening to Hillary right now, and I SO want her to be in charge of the Senate. Is there any way to bump that feckless nit Harry Reid out of the top spot?
According to CNN, the polls are showing that Obama won the debate and gained in favorability. McCain lost and his unfavorables went up.
So I'm full of crap. Obama won. I've never been happier to be wrong.
October 15, 2008 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
couple of observations.
The split screen showed McCain listening to Obama, or was he? Was he being fed talking points? One wonders. Eye movement was interesting.
The man is a Republican no doubt about it...all the classic brutal, reptilian qualities come out under stress. McCain seems unstable and very angry...we do not want this person to become our president.
October 15, 2008 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
>>Was he being fed talking points? One wonders.
I definitely had that feeling when he burst out with the Ayers/Acorn thing. Before that, it seemed like he was avoiding it. It was as though he was being told to USE IT NOW.
October 15, 2008 11:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
McMoron did not "clobber" Obama at any point in this debate, nor in any of the others. The fact that O is civil, intelligent, unflappable, and thoughtful in the face of the almost incoherent ramblings of his opponent, can hardly be called getting "clobbered." I wish O was more combative, but he and his prep team seem to know what they're doing.
October 15, 2008 10:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain's not George Bush he just voted with him 95% of the time.
October 15, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wish Obama had hit back harder on the Ayers/ACORN stuff. How about bringing up McCain talk in front of ACORN where he praised them as a much needed force in America?
October 15, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
The CNN focus group thought Obama won it. Not by much, but they think he won it. Nobody (not even the Republicans in the group) liked the mention of Ayers. And nobody liked "Joe the Plumber". Joe the Plumber was a STUPID gimmick. It sounds like Bob the Builder. A great pitch if you're going for the Sesame Street crowd. Not a great pitch if you're speaking to grown adults.
October 15, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you catch the McCain fluff in the debates, when he was talking about Palin taking on the big guys, he said she was "breast of fresh air."? Are we talking Freudian here, or what?
Did I hear wrong? He caught it, but I think he definitely said it.
October 15, 2008 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I heard it too...
October 15, 2008 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think he Spoonerized it worse than that, but only YouTube will tell...
October 15, 2008 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking of a breast of fresh air, here's Sarah meeting with the Russians. From Larry Flynt's forthcoming "Nailin' Palin".
http://media.egotastic.com/media/pictures/0810/sarah-palin-porn-02.jpg
My apologies to all.
October 15, 2008 11:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didnt catch the breast thing.. Ill have to play back my tivo.. Its going on YOU Tube :)
October 15, 2008 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anybody else use them new TPM blogs to live-blog this debate?
We did some on-the-fly factchecking on ours.
Questions: Why no mention of McCain's gig as ACORN keynote speaker?
What's with the autism references?
And how can he return to the VILE LIES about OVERHEAD PROJECTORS!?
October 15, 2008 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
autism is a big scare. it's sort of like the gay, but you're still allowed to be afraid of your kids catching it. or rather, you're still allowed to openly express your fear that your kids will catch it (whereas no mainstream politician is allowed to say "we will put money into keeping your kids from catching the gay.") because the cause of autism is nebulous, and because autism itself comes in many varieties, it can serve as a kind of catch all for "everything that's wrong with these kids today."
conservatives particularly love the idea that autism might be caused by vaccines, despite the fact that multiple studies have concluded that there is no link. but it's kinda like global warming or "intelligent design" - you could trust the "scientists," but who made them the authority? so I was not surprised to hear John McCain say that the "link" between autism and vaccination needs to be explored further, way back before he took on Mrs. Special Needs herself. it's a wingnut thing - this was Rick Santorum's own pet project, and it continues to be popular amongst the fringiest fringe of that base.
the autism community (made up of auties & aspies and the people who love them) is as deeply divided politically as any other family, and a lot of these issues are volatile - true testament that the personal is political. but there's a bigger story here. and i'm not just being snide in drawing a parallel b/t queerness as homosexuality and queerness as autism. the most popular "treatment" for autism (ABA) and the so-called "treatment" for homosexuality (Reparative Therapy) came from the same roots: the behavioral psychologists working under Ivar Lovaas at UCLA in the 60's and 70's. In other words, autism and gayness are "cured" the same way. so there is a conservative agenda in the "special needs" of some kids, and it's not as benign as it might otherwise seem.
(sorry for the long post, but this is pretty much what my life is about, both in my work and as a member of an autie family.)
October 16, 2008 12:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let's watch Olbermann!
October 15, 2008 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, you heard right, we were rolling!!! "McBush" showed his beautiful colors this evening though. Fortunate for the rest of us, they are not red, white, and blue. Overcompensation for, what could only be assumed as an inability to acheive, let alone maintain a credible erection, continual interupttions were simply painful to watch. Our teenage daughter is better mannered. Still maintaining the fabulous republican credo of answering a question without an answer I see, unless you count the eye blinking....perhaps he likes to view the world through rave strobes. How many years has he been in Washington?? he acts like a neophyte!
October 15, 2008 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain got "most improved" - but Obama won
October 15, 2008 11:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alex Castellanos just said, "Why would you raise ANYBODY'S taxes during these tough economic times?"
Uhmmm... To pay the bills? To pay for Bush's war? To pay for the 700 billion dollar bailout? To balance the budget? (Which McCain claims he'll somehow do without raising taxes.)
Republicans want everything for free. They think we can pay for infrastructure improvements, wars of choice, and bailing out a financial system their idiotic deregulation helped destroy, and they want to charge it off to our grandchildren.
October 15, 2008 11:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought he seemed more afraid from the very beginning--thought of Higgins after the ball in 'My Fair Lady': 'Shortly after we came in, I saw at once we'd easily win, and after that I found it deadly dull.' Emphasis on the anger, and there was, but I thought he'd basically given up at the beginning, and I agree with those who said he 'hyperventilated'. Obama couldn't keep from laughing at him, he was SO out of control it was unbelievable. I think he even felt sorry for him a bit, I know I did till toward the end, and then I saw that he'd even try to use the Education Card, which is politically nothing right now, to try to keep attacking. What a repellent man he's become, and his formerly gorgeous wife just seems like this garden-variety spoiled airhead.
October 15, 2008 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
CNN question: "Who spent more time attacking his opponent?"
Obama: 7%
McCain: 80%
Poll demographic was 40% Democrat, 30% Republican and the rest Independent.
October 15, 2008 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
If anybody wondered if McCain was creepy and old before, there's nothing to wonder about anymore. Whoever is foolishly noting "points scored" is ignoring the only thing that really matters when both candidates essentially regurgitate the same talking points they've been spewing for weeks—McCain has developed new and even more unwatchable tics over the last month, culminating in more than enough twitching and eyeball rolling to provide highlights reels for the Daily Show until well into 2010. The essential litmus test was my wife's inability to stay in the same room as the Television with the debate for more than a half hour—she simply could not stand watching McCain anymore. The question used to be "which presidential candidate would you want to have a beer with [I needed three just to keep my incipient migraine from blowing out of control]. Now it's more like "what candidate could you stand sitting with in a waiting room in a doctor's waiting room for 90 minutes?"
October 15, 2008 11:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would have like to seen Obama respond to the question of whether Palin is qualified to be President with:
"Well, obviously That One thought she was qualified."
Would have been too funny.
October 15, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Especially if he had winked. ;)
October 15, 2008 11:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was interested to see that some initial responses, including Josh's, were that this was McCain's best debate, but I thought he was far worse than even in the others. It was like Obama almost had to be his caregiver. I thought McCain was really horrible and really seemed like a total COWARD, mainly.
October 15, 2008 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep. He came off like a common angry white man. We're covered up with those here in the South, and I'm sure they all loved it. We've been in the grips of the angry white men for 8 years now, and we're in bad trouble.
October 15, 2008 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
One last note.. and thanks all :)
I just replayed the segment where John made his breast/breath gaffe. I noticed that the mens line was going up and up while he was talking about Palin, as soon as he said "and she will be my partner" the line dived.... LOL>. I guess that visual was just too much.
October 15, 2008 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm. I call myself an Independent, too. I'm nowhere close to "undecided" though. I've voted for Republicans before, before "they lost their minds." (Quoth Charles Barkley) At this point in my life, I'm completely anti-Republican, but I'm still Independent.
October 15, 2008 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just saw McCain's air quotes on "health of the mother" - that is beyond the pale. How could any woman vote for him in good conscious?
How can small government people think it's a good idea for the government to get inbetween you and your doctor and decide when your health is at stake?
October 15, 2008 11:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
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