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Are You Better Off? Reagan vs. Carter, and Obama vs. McCain

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By John Schmitt and Dean Baker

In his 1980 presidential debate with Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan famously asked the American people whether they were better off than they had been four years ago. Enough voters answered "no" to give Reagan a decisive victory in the election.

Senator Obama is posing the same question today, since Senator McCain promises to continue the economic policies of the Bush administration. One of us (John Schmitt) recently compared all the major indicators of economic well-being in 2008 and 2000.

On 23 of the 25 measures selected, the economy was doing better in 2000 than 2008. The deterioration was sharpest in the measures that concern us most. For example, the unemployment was just 4.0 percent in 2000. The most recent data show the unemployment rate at 6.1 percent. While family income was higher in 2008 than 2000, the gain over these 8 years was a pathetic 0.4 percent, compared to 14.7 percent growth in the Clinton years. Real wages actually fell in the last 8 years, after rising 8.2 percent in the Clinton years.

The percent of the population without health insurance coverage increased from 14.0 percent to 15.3 percent. The share of the country living below the poverty line rose by 1.2 percentage points.

The ratio of federal debt to GDP rose sharply --from 57.3 percent in 2000 to 65.8 percent in 2008. Over the same period, the ratio of foreign indebtedness to GDP rose from 13.6 percent to 17.9 percent. We won't even talk about the price of gas.

Other than the modest increase in family income noted earlier, the only other major indicator that shows the economy doing better in the Bush years than the Clinton years is productivity growth. Productivity increased by 21.9 percent in the Bush years compared to 15.9 percent in the Clinton years. This is a good productivity performance, but it's not much to hang an election campaign on, especially when these gains haven't translated into economic improvements for the typical voter.

In fact, the economic bind facing Republicans in 2008 is far worse than what the Democrats were looking at back in 1980, when voters handed Carter a crushing defeat. By our count, the economy performed better during the Carter years than it did under Bush. By 12 of our 23 measures (two of the recent measures were not available in the earlier period), the economy was doing better in 1980 than in 1976. By comparison, only two of our 25 indicators are better now than they were in 2000.

Many people, even those who voted in 1980, are surprised to hear that as high as the unemployment rate was that year -- 7.1 percent-- it was actually 0.6 percentage points lower than it had been in the year before Jimmy Carter took office.

Real family income was 1.6 percent higher at the end of the four years of the Carter presidency than it had been at the beginning. By contrast, family income had risen by just 0.6 percent over the prior four years. (In eight years under Bush, real family incomes are up just 0.4 percent.)

Several measures, of course, clearly deteriorated during the Carter years. Inflation in the last year of the Carter presidency, for example, was 10.9 percent (because of a faulty measure, the inflation rate reported at the time was 12.5 percent). Real wages also fell 2.2 percent during the Carter years, although this was a smaller drop than the 2.9 percent decline in the prior four years.

Not everyone remembers back a full four years, and for people who just remembered the last year, the picture was certainly not good. Inflation and unemployment were rising and wages were falling. The economy had slipped into recession in 1980 and employment fell by 1.1 percent, the equivalent of 1.5 million jobs today. It is likely that many voters were thinking about whether they had gotten better off over the last year when President Reagan posed his question, not the last four years.

In Senator McCain's case, it really won't matter whether voters think about just the last year or the last 8 years, the picture is bleak in either case. That may not be entirely fair. The economy's performance at any point in time will always be determined to a substantial degree by factors that are not under the president's control. But, that is how the game is played, just ask President Reagan.


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Historical analogies are always problematical (props to Mark Twain).

In 1980 Reagan offered the American people a fairly significant change in the economic philosophy governing the country.

I'm aware that Obama's promising to restore Rubinesque ("What's good for Goldman Sachs is good for America") economics. I'm just not so sure that's all that much of a change.

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I agree about Rubinomics."Rubin places top priority on capping the cost of so-called entitlements like social security and medicare" (Kuttner in "Obama's Challenge"). Rubin's think tank is not called "The Jefferson Project". It's "The Hamilton Project". Rubin, along with Greenspan and Summers, helped to silence and then cut the regulatory powers of Brooksley Born, head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission who warned in 1997 of the dire consequences of unregulated derivatives. She predicted this meltdown and eventually was driven away.

It's not the way to go either. Kuttner's book is short and to the point. Easy to read. Buy it and pass it around along with Dean Baker's The Conservative Nanny State.

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In Senator McCain's case, it really won't matter whether voters think about just the last year or the last 8 years, the picture is bleak in either case.

Republicans will find out that certain truths are hard to conceal.

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Obama needs to throw out more numbers, foreinstance what Bush/McCain's tax cuts translate to in real terms. The lofty 1% of us who profit from the tax cut realize around a $52,000/year increase in income, about $1,000/wk, while the rest of us realize about $18/year, about $1.50/wk.

Not only is the difference glaring, in both cases the income increase is inconsequential.

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There was a great documentary about Nixon on PBS last night that made me think a little about the ‘Forgotten Americans” and the “Great Silent Majority”. That is really who the Republicans have tried to appeal to since Nixon’s time. Palin calls these people Joe Six Packs. The only problem is we aren’t living through a time in which liberal international policy has caused problems for ‘middle America’ that can be targeted; the GOP policies are to blame at the start of the 21st century. So, since there isn’t much to blame on the Democrats, McCain appeals to hate and anger. One Big Question – Does Anyone Know if the Secret Service has to do Anything at All When Someone in the Audience Makes a Death Threat Against Obama at a Republican Rally?!?!? I’ve been wondering about that.

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Only if the person yelling has a suspicious t-shirt on or a weird bumper sticker on their car--oh wait, that only applies to democrats...

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Thanks for this informative piece.

One comment on the numbers (couldn't figure out how to post a remark to the CEPR page where they are listed):

While National Dept relative to GDP is a useful metric for general economic purposes, it has less relevance to the "are you better off?" question. For THAT Nat'l Debt per capita or per taxpayer would show a much sharper -and rightly bleaker- trend.

Much of the GDP growth over the past 8 years has been devoted to unsustainable waste, in the deserts of Iraq, in ticky-tack McMansions whose would-be owners can barely afford the gas to drive to and from them let alone the mortgages, and to the black hole of a Wall Street Ponzi scheme that ultimately funded much of this creeping crud and global-warming-related urban sprawl

Doubtless some of the associated GDP growth trickled down to Joe Blow's six pack, but his kids and grandkids will pay manyfold over for that trickle.

I think the growth in debt should be shown without discounting for a rise in GDP that has not really produced anything of lasting or meaningful value to the average voter.

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Thanks for this informative piece.

One comment on the numbers (couldn't figure out how to post a remark to the CEPR page where they are listed):

While National Dept relative to GDP is a useful metric for general economic purposes, it has less relevance to the "are you better off?" question. For THAT Nat'l Debt per capita or per taxpayer would show a much sharper -and rightly bleaker- trend.

Much of the GDP growth over the past 8 years has been devoted to unsustainable waste, in the deserts of Iraq, in ticky-tack McMansions whose would-be owners can barely afford the gas to drive to and from them let alone the mortgages, and to the black hole of a Wall Street Ponzi scheme that ultimately funded much of this creeping crud and global-warming-related urban sprawl

Doubtless some of the associated GDP growth trickled down to Joe Blow's six pack, but his kids and grandkids will pay manyfold over for that trickle.

I think the growth in debt should be shown without discounting for a rise in GDP that has not really produced anything of lasting or meaningful value to the average voter.

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I'll go with this conservative's analysis:
http://www.youtube.com/dontbefooledagain

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John and Dean - let's focus on the more important question - will we be better off four years from now (versus today) under a McCain presidency or an Obama presidency?

Obama's tax plan is a mess (read the WSJ's editorial from yesterday). Welfare doesn't encourage people to find higher paying jobs and get more training/education.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122385651698727257.html


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You lost us when you mentioned the word 'editorial' in context with 'Wall Street Journal.' It's a common mistake to confuse the thinly veiled propaganda of the WSJ op-ed page with the actual news reportage that is generally produced in the rest of the paper.

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That's an educated response. I read all papers to understand everyone's side of the argument.

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Yes, but which newspaper do you turn to first.

N.B. No one can "read all papers."

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You're read. That sounded too much like Sarah Palin. I read the NYT, WSJ, NYPost and RealClearPolitics every day. That way I can stay current on all sides of a story

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Katie Couric gets Joe the Plumber's name wrong just like McCain. Should Obama have corrected McCain? That would have been great. Anyway, I am sick of hearing about him.

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Long time reader of TPM, first time writer.

I just joined because I badly want to get heard on this point: Joe Plumber doesn’t understand NET versus GROSS.

Obama needs to be making this distinction – “Joe, regardless of what your BUSINESS makes, until YOU are taking home 250K, you will not have your taxes increased.”

Not true that this is not an important constituency. There are millions of small business owners across the country that need to hear this distinction and don’t understand it.

I am a small business owner and I can tell you most plumbers (I am a contractor, so close enough) don’t get the tax code -- especially if they’ve been W2 their whole lives.

On Public Radio recently, a small business owner called in to say that his restaurant grossed 300K but little of it made it's way into his paycheck. He assumed that because he was grossing 300K that he was above Senator Obama's 250K cut-off for no tax increases.

The show's host did not correct the misunderstanding and I don't believe he understood correctly either.

Whether or not Obama understands this– he’s certainly not getting the point out to this constituency.

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