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The plan will work so good, then the Social Security trust fund will now be placed into the Stock market, because they'll say SEE it does work.
October 10, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Non-voting shares?
October 10, 2008 8:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
No guts, no glory, Dean.
The international financial system would be in better shape now and in the longer term if its "book" liquidity suffered some real, serious "demand destruction." I don't know the number -- how about $6-10 trillion worldwide?
If these guys are so smart (and you wouldn't be giving them the keys to the castle if you didn't think they were), why don't we demand that they "liquidate" these shadow bankers (SIVs, hedge funds, and all the other highly leveraged "casino comp'ed players").
Break it down and build it back up!
P.S. Let's play the Ultimatum Game. And believe me, I'm game to take some pain if a moral society, a fair society, is the outcome.
October 10, 2008 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wanted to add moe clarity to my previous posting
The conservatives have been trying to privatize Social Security, but have been met with resistance.
Now to hear them rail against government intrusion, you’d think their against this” Oh Please don’t throw us into the briar patch, Please don’t interefere with the markets”
Knowing full well this is what they wanted the government, to do all along with the SS Trust fund.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%27er_Rabbit
Br'er Rabbit ("Brother Rabbit") is the main character of the stories, a likable trickster prone to getting into trouble who is often opposed by Br'er Fox and Br'er Bear. In one tale, Br'er Fox constructs a lump of tar and puts clothing on it. When Br'er Rabbit comes along he addresses the "tar baby" amiably, but receives no response. Br'er Rabbit becomes offended by what he perceives as Tar Baby's lack of manners, punches it, and becomes stuck. Now that Br'er Rabbit is stuck, Fox ponders how to dispose of him.
The helpless, but cunning, Br'er Rabbit pleads, "Please don't throw me in the briar patch," prompting Fox to do exactly that. As rabbits are at home in thickets, the resourceful Br'er Rabbit escapes. Using the phrases "please don't throw me in the briar patch" and "tar baby" to refer to the idea of "a problem that gets worse the more one struggles against it" became part of the wider culture of the United States in the mid-20th century.
October 10, 2008 9:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
A simple question/proposal
Since practically everyone is cashing out of everything and desperately seeking the security of short-term Treasuries or mattresses, why not create a GSE Money Market Fund(s). Like other money-market funds, it could invest in longer term Treasuries and other gilt-edged securities and might even pay better than T-Bills at present. Such a fund could:
- Calm a lot, really a lot, of the current panic.
- Relieve hoarding of T-Bills and other Treasuries and maybe unlock repo markets.
- Reduce the risk to taxpayers of expanding FDIC insurance to cover all deposits. (Why should we be expected to bear more downside risk while banks are failing all around us with absolutely no extra upside?)
- Provide leverage to the Fed and Treasury to negotiate with Wall Street.
When markets calm down, the fund could pay the lowest rates to investors and charge the highest for borrowers. That way it is practically non-competitive with the private sector. Its main selling point would be its security.
GSE's have been getting dissed lately because of Fannie and Freddie but just like FEMA, the basic ideas are sound, you just need good people running them.
October 10, 2008 9:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
He said the government's stock purchases would be of nonvoting shares so that the government will not have power to run the companies.
What gives? Give them more money without any power to 'run' the company?
More funds for 'retreats' in California??
October 10, 2008 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bob Dole once quipped that the most dangerous place to stand in Washington was between a TV camera and Chuck Schumer.
Nowadays, Schumer's spot appears to have been taken over by our liberal public policy economists -- so anxious to get that call from the News Hour they've turned themselves into "serious" experts -- unimaginative parroters of the conventional wisdom and thus, acceptable to the adults in Washington.
A bunch of drones!
October 11, 2008 12:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
What's the point of socializing the finance system if the people do not get the direct benefits of ownership which are: a piece of the profits and a proportional share of power within the company like any other shareholder?
October 11, 2008 12:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ok so maybe this is crazy but since Ellen brought up the Ultimatum Game here goes.
Screw the non-voting share idea. Get voting shares, and then send a couple of shares to every person in the country.
If shareholders(or their legal guardian) don't vote in, say, 2/3 of the elections, they lose their shares, but if they vote in all the elections, they get the shares lost by those who don't vote. (But a legal guardian couldn't, for example, lose their kids' shares, they would just go into limbo like premature babies in the old days.)
More educational than fantasy football, and it will give us all something to talk about while we're living with the pain of building our fairer, more moral society.
October 11, 2008 12:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course they should be voting shares.
The Govt could ultimately re sell ordinary voting equity, who'd want to buy-non voting equity ?
Until it sells , the Govt.could choose whether or not to intervene in management. But it should at least have that choice.
October 11, 2008 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Am I the only one to realize that "voting shares", or common stock, has no voting power in a corporation? It is a fact of physics that you can't divide anything into ever smaller parts indefinitely. Eventually you reach the point where the parts are infinitessmal, of no significance at all. If I buy one share of General Motors, all I am doing is gambling. I don't own even a smidgeon of General Motors. One share out of 100,000 is a dust mote, to be blown out the window and forgotten.
Shares of stock in corporations, until you get a significant percentage of the outstanding shares, are not ownership of anything but a gamble. Those stocks typically pay zero dividends. Your only hope of making money off of them is that someone more stupid than you will be willing to pay more for them than you did. You could buy baseball trading cards with the same risk.
Preferred shares, which are what we are talking about here are a bit different. At least those stock owners have a slightly better chance of getting something back for their "investment". So, that, in my opinion, is exactly what the government should be buying. Leave the gambling to the gamblers.
October 11, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Govt could have Preferred shares with voting rights. Or Preferred with a right to convert.
The Govt blocks will be large enough to that they are "control blocks" i.e. large enough so no significant resolution can be passed over its objection. Usually 20% is plenty. Most significant resolutions require approval of two thirds of the total shares. Since something like 20% usually don't vote the Govt's opposition would mean the resolution would fail. And that same characteristic would mean that the block could be sold at a premium over market.
October 11, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink