These are dangerous people. I am very worried for the future of our country when our leaders promote hate, spew lies, inspire ignorance, and tolerate the indefensible.

The word "kill" has no place in any political campaign.

McCain and Palin themselves seem so disconnected from civilization that one should wonder if either one carries a gun. They are obviously deranged and dangerous.

Obama is not rebutting it because he has an association with someone who blew up government buildings.

The Liberals know that if Palin had ever associated with anyone on the "fringe" such as an abortion clinic bomber, that the Liberals would be hammering nails into her and crucifying her on the cross.

If she said "I was only 8 years old" we'd all hear what a lame excuse that is.

What are the effective rebuttals that Obama has given regarding Ayers? I haven't heard any. He said that he didn't regret setting bombs!! C'mon, let's not try to say "it was a long time ago".

Maybe you can try to say that Barack never "really" was friends with him. But Ayers hosted a fund raiser for Barack's first run at the senate. And Barack was ran the CAC, which was founded by Ayers.

How can people say that they were just "passing ships in the night"???

Senator McCain seems to have progressed from 'maverick' through 'floundering' to 'scraping the bottom of the barrel'.
I have a brother who served in Viet Nam and went through the very same stages.
But my special concern centers around the "Dumbing-Down" of the Presidency. The present holder of the Office is commonly portrayed as academically unaccomplished. Senator McCain, by his own admission, did not do as well as he could have. At present, the story is that Gov. Palin took 6 years and as many schools to accomplish what usually takes half? the time.
What a lack-luster succession plan!

Ronalawn - sorry I couldn't follow your post. But here's the bottom line - Our current president attended Phillips, Yale and HBS. I'm happy for the next President to come from a non-Ivy League school and be at the bottom of their class. I know alot of people I went to school with who got really bad grades but ended up being great leaders and running businesses.

Like I said earlier, you should be concerned about Obama's character because Ayers is a lunatic and Obama allowed the guy to host one of his election fundraisers and Obama also ran one of his non-profits. If it had been me, I would not have been associating myself with lunatic Ayers.

Chuck Hagel (R-NE) needs to smack John McCain down IMMEDIATELY with a prime time address decimating his "old friend".

F#CK JOHN MCCAIN! He wants actual war in this campaign and people injured or killed. He's a menace.

Tomorrow night, I'd love to see Senator Obama turn to McCain and say this: "John, you've been saying some pretty extreme things out there on the campaign trail. Do you have the courage to say any of them to my face?"

I suspect McCain, being the low-class coward he is, seeing and hearing himself called out for his boorishness, would either punk out or go berserk with rage, live on national.

I would like to add that no one has really got bent out of shape about Bush's relations with the Bin Laden family. I find Bush's behavior toward the Sadi royal family more disturbing and prescient.

From a nice post just up at Daily Kos:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/7/0123/83792/89/622325

From 1995 to 1999, Obama was the chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an organization that gave $100 million to community organizers and activists for the Chicago's public schools. The original grant was written in 1993 by William Ayers. Some say it "radicalized" the schools, although other sources show it enhanced them greatly.

The Annenberg Challenge was funded by Republican Walter Annenberg, an ambassador during the Nixon administration and friend of President Reagan's. Illinois Republican Governor Jim Edgar and the conservative Tribune Foundation both wrote to Annenberg requesting funds for a foundation to help Chicago schools. Republican Governor Jim Edgar and Mayor Richard Daley announced the formation of the Annenberg Challenge in a joint event, and their administration continued to work closely with the Challenge throughout its existence. http://time-blog.com/...

So, Obama is being condemned for having associated with William Ayers. But, a Republican conservative Reaganite (and other Republican political figures) didn’t find this former "domestic terrorist" an unacceptable associate. Indeed, Annenberg gave millions of dollars to the educational program which Ayers created, and the direction of which was passed to Obama.

If Annendale trusted Ayers, why wouldn’t Obama?

This may backfire for McCain. They'll fire up the base but drive away some voters who don't want to be associated with that message. They won't vote for Obama either. There is "something not quite right" about him. They can't tell you... it's kind of a vague feeling they have. They'd like to vote for McCain and trust him and his running mate but they really don't want to be associated with the wingnuts.

I spoke with one of these this evening. I've spoken with him in the past. He is getting less and less comfortable with McCain and he is not a good liar nor does he try to be one.

thank you c4logic. can we stop NOT saying 'fascism' now?

The problem with right wing knuckle draggers is that they are so literal. Little Timmy McVeigh didn't understand the difference between rabble rousing and a call to arms. I remember being stunned that there was an industry out there bent upon destroying Clinton's administration (job well done, I might add).

This crap McCain is pulling is not going to work but it will form the ground floor of the new right wing cottage industry. People forget that republicans are much better at throwing bombs than governing. I guess they are just getting a little too literal about the bombs.

And this Ayers stuff is laughable. The most relevant personal connection in this election is that between McCain and Keating. Meet the new boss same as the old boss.

This is very, very dangerous. I wonder what the folks over at Commentary and the National Review think about this.

Joe Lieberman, if he has any sense of responsibility at all, should tell McCain to stop this crap immediately.

You know, once you unleash this sort of thing, there's no telling where it will stop. The Neocons should think very, very fucking carefully about this. This kind of rage is uncontrollable, and will bite the hand that feeds it, if given the chance.

This will very easily turn into anti-semitism if it's not stopped.

Yeah, and the subtext of this whole narrative is not so much that he's a pinko-commie MuslamoNazi as it is that he's black -- not one of us, we don't know anything about him, his origins are mysterious or 'exotic,' etc. He's "Other." Not in our tribe. Not to be trusted. Probably has a chip on his shoulder about the whole slavery thing on behalf of his dusky brethren. Underwent Black Nationalist/Islamist/Socialist training in the madrassas of Jakarta, Cambridge and Kenwood, etc.

Brings to mind the chanting pinheads from Freaks, only in reverse: "Not one of us, not one of us, gooble gobble, we don't accept him, we don't accept him."

The note of indignation the Josh Marshall has been sounding about these incitements - echoed and amplified in other posts and comments here - mystifies me--he is usually so pragmatic, and here we are dealing with an awful Real Politik of the kind we are (sadly) familiar. This is just Rove with the edges fraying. I would like Josh and the community to address ways to itimize how this rhetoric can be used against McCain and Co. How it can be used to sway swing voters. I know we hear that swing voters are turned off by negative advertising. But since the days of Lee Twatwater I always thought this was untrue, finally. Beyond outrage (what is new with these horrible anti-American zealots that have defined republicans for twenty years at least), what are the TACTICS! (Or the strategy, for that matter.)

WASHINGTON — GOP presidential nominee John McCain has past connections to a private group that supplied aid to guerrillas seeking to overthrow the leftist government of Nicaragua in the Iran-Contra affair.

Things are already violent. My wife had a concrete block smashed through the windshield of her car shortly after putting on her Obama sticker. Luckily it was when her car was parked and she was safe at home. I've had people spit on my sticker on my truck.

Hard to say for sure, but..........