Don't Just Hold Your Nose
I've read all the sober explanations of why we must hold our noses and support the bailout. I've watched Barack Obama intone the same on the Senate floor. Sorry, but it all fits into a neoliberal paradigm whose adherents haven't noticed that it's over. Watching the Senate's pompous porkers play populist with the package was like watching Hapsburgs greet their subjects in July, 1914.
True, we're all tethered into the dance: We love our cars -- couldn't imagine reconfiguring our lives to save energy, enhance walking, reduce obesity, end road rage. Yet the car culture is only a sample of what an increasingly manic, drugged, violent, and stupid America of sovereign consumers has been choreographed into "choosing."
Wait till January, they say, and we'll straighten things out. Sorry, but with this package America has lost its legitimacy and morale. Its decline will accelerate, even with an uptick in the markets in which, yes, we are all invested.
Unless the populist indignation is translated into a more thorough reform of the consumer-marketing juggernaut that has dissolved our civic culture, this package, coming atop so much else in the Bush years, will be just another a nail in the coffin of the American republic.Take a minute and consider why.
I've recycled John Adams a few times too many, but you can't be reminded too often that
"[W]hen the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers, and destroyers press upon them so fast, that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon the American Constitution is such as to grow every day more and more encroaching. ... The people grow less steady, spirited, and virtuous, the seekers more numerous and more corrupt, and every day increases the circles of their dependants and expectants, until virtue, integrity, public spirit, simplicity, and frugality become the objects of ridicule and scorn, and vanity, luxury, foppery, selfishness, meanness, and downright venality swallow up the whole society." :
Why did he say this in 1787? As soon as King George III was gone, even the most triumphant of the founders took a long look at the American people and found themselves worrying about how a republic ends. History showed them that it can happen not with a coup but a smile, a sweetener, and a friendly swagger -- as soon as the people tire of the burdens of self-government and can be jollied along into servitude, or scared into it, when they've become soft enough to intimidate.
Sound hyperbolic? Even that conservative banker Alexander Hamilton sketched the stakes by writing in the Federalist that history had destined Americans, "by their conduct and example, to decide the important question, whether societies of men are really capable or not of establishing good government from reflection and choice, or whether they are forever destined to depend for their political constitutions on accident and force."
And Ben Franklin sketched the odds, warning that the Constitution "can only end in Despotism as other Forms have done before it, when the People shall have become so corrupted as to need Despotic Government, being incapable of any other."
How might that happen? "History does not more clearly point out any fact than this, that nations which have lapsed from liberty, to a state of slavish subjection, have been brought to this unhappy condition, by gradual paces," wrote Founder Richard Henry Lee.
The Founders were all reading Edward Gibbon's then-new account of how the Roman republic had slipped, degree by self-deluding degree, into an imperial tyranny. Leaders could bedazzle citizens out of their liberties by titillating, intimidating, and stampeding them into becoming bread-and-circus mobs that "no longer possessed that public courage which is nourished by the love of independence, the sense of national honor, the presence of danger, and the habit of command. They received laws and governors from the will of their sovereign and trusted for their defense to a mercenary army ... ."
Gibbon added pointedly that Augustus, the first real emperor, "wished to deceive the people by an image of civil liberty, and the armies by an image of civil government" and that he knew that "the senate and people would submit to slavery, provided they were respectfully assured that they still enjoyed their ancient freedom."
Campaigning in an open shirt, as it were, "that artful prince ... humbly solicited their suffrages for himself, for his friends and scrupulously practiced all the duties of an ordinary candidate ... . The emperors ... disdained that pomp and ceremony which might offend their countrymen but could add nothing to their real power....."
And so Rome became what Gibbon called "an absolute monarchy disguised by the forms of a commonwealth," not by conspiracy but thanks to a confluence of deeper currents that had enervated people's republican virtues and beliefs.
But isn't this what Bush and the Republicans vowed to save us from, with the help of God and martial valor? Isn't it big-government liberals who would coddle us into servitude and decadence?
Plenty of liberal big-government folly has reinforced that perception, but so has Americans' reluctance to admit that the propaganda, seductions, and contractual strangleholds of corporations, driven by anomic finance, have become ever more confining, intrusive, and degrading in our work lives, our entertainments, and even our public discourse controlled as so much of it is by conglomerate-hired editors and op-ed savants.
The founders understood that the people can't enhance freedom by handing themselves over from their elected officials to their paymasters. Some onorable American conservatives -- diplomats, retired generals, even some pundits -- want to spare us that fate, but they have found themselves as outnumbered and marginalized as Dennis Kucinich.
So great and justified is the public anger, though, that even the bailout's apologists are scrambling to acknowledge that something better will have to follow. A Los Angeles Times editorial today knocks proponents of the bailout for trying to buy off the rage
"[b]y larding it with tax breaks, handouts and pet projects. ...Others... just seem frivolous. The message, though, was that supporters of the financial industry bailout had given up trying to convince voters that it was in their interests too, and not just Wall Street's. Instead, they coated the bitter bailout pill with a bunch of end-of-session sweeteners to make it easier to swallow."
And the New York Times' Nicholas Kristof acknowledges that ".....[C]ritics of the bailout have reason to be furious. It is profoundly unfair that working-class American families lose their homes, their jobs, their savings, while plutocrats who caused the problem get rescued. If the Congressional critics of the bailout want to do some lasting good, they should come back in January -- after approving the bailout now -- with a series of tough measures to improve governance and inject more fairness in the economy."
But former Clinton labor secretary Robert Reich was more candid, right here in TPM, noting that the bailout
"will be funded by additional federal debt, issued mostly to foreign governments --
especially the Chinese and in the Middle East. And, strictly speaking, it's not even a bailout: The Treasury will buy and hold mortgage-backed securities whose value is now unknown because there's no market for them, until housing prices start rising again.....
"But whatever it's called and however it's financed," Reich continues, "it's still an outrage. America's foreign policy is made no more flexible by going into deeper hock to the Chinese and the Middle East. And the deal still subjects American taxpayers to some risk, especially if the housing market doesn't bounce back for many years. Worse, the bill can't help but prop up the earnings of many Wall Street executives whose malfeasance, greed, and stupidity got us into this mess in the first place. And it does nothing for average Americans except avoid economic calamity. (The provision ostensibly helping distressed homeowners is to be used at the discretion of the Treasury Department, so it's mostly a sham.)"
Writer and editor Paul Bass, whose New Haven Independent is running fascinating stories of how people in that medium-sized city are experiencing and responding to the crisis, notes that "In those precious hours after the House bill defeat," those who had defeated it, including conservative "Republicans, the Congressional Black Caucus, and some progressive white Democrats, should have met for an hour and drawn up the bill they would have supported on commonly agreed upon provisions. It would have been awesome. They had 20 hours or so when they were in the driver's seat."
Would-be builders of a serious coalition against the corporatist-statist consolidation of a post-republican America have not 20 hours, but three months. Let good leaders step forward and help serious republicans convene. Maybe one of those leaders will be Barack Obama -- but only if he elected, the crisis worsens, and populist anger keeps rising and seeking direction.















There are so many paradigm bound, dusty concepts itemized here that I hardly know where to begin. Clarity can often be more handily delivered by limiting the scope of your inquiry to a minimum number of points. You keep harping on about freedom. What in the hell does the word FREEDOM mean in today's world?
200 years ago if the tobacco farmers decided to stop growing tobacco you could probably grow your own. That is freedom. If the Ships failed to reach Boston Harbon with cloth from the textile mills of England, you could weave your own. That is freedom. If the City was wracked with an epidemic, you could take your horse and your rifle and your axe and go camp in the wilderness of Kentucky for the summer. that is freedom. That kind of freedom derived from the ability of individuals to be independent of society and it's inter-related webs of commerce, and legal systems. You could go live on the frontier--and if some interloper invaded your home--you would defend yourself, and no coroner would ever hold an inquisition. That's freedom.
Today there is NO freedom. We are all of us hopelessly interdependent on all of the webs of interelatedness attached to civilization, as the victims of hurricanes Ike and Katrina have learned so well.
I is all well and good to say that people should walk more and ditch their gas guzzling vehicles, and lose some weight--and that seems like an awfully simple solution--but it isn't that simply and you know it--and you know why.
I drive a hybrid, but a have to drive 40 minutes to work each way. I can't move, my wife works 40 minutes in the opposite direction. There is no public transportation to either of our work places. I drive a hybrid--but don't ask me to ride a bike. Your analysis utterly fails to identify the inter-related dependencies that all of the global civilization now rests upon--and any change must happen in either a gradual, incremental, managed way, or in a systematic, methodical way, to avoid utter chaos on all fronts.
October 2, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow! I really like your descriptions of freedom. Strangely, those are things I've been thinking about as well. If the whole system comes crashing down there are going to be a lot of starving folks. I'd like to think I could make it through but who knows?
October 2, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good points. Let's take the Roman allegory a step further. The original cultures that Rome absorbed by conquest into the "republic" all practiced what is called "primitive land tenure" which, really, hinged on the political philosophy that each individual possessed an inalienable right to the soil. Some erroneosly called this "primitive communism," but since it augmented private property in such old land holding institutions such as the Manor, Mir or Mark, the discription doesn't fit. Roman conquest abrogated this right, and replaced it with the feud. An individual's right to the soil only comes through a system of fealty and homage to one's political superiors, with the ultimate right to the soil (dominum directum) invested in the Emporer of the state.
I remember an old 50s sci fi TV show about a future where people are legally obligated to consume. Upward mobility was being allowed to consume, while the elite upper class spent their lives walking around in a park in togas, chatting and eating grapes.
October 2, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I meant to write "consume less" - a critical omission.
October 2, 2008 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the primitive land tenure movement in England was known as 'the commons' which wealthy land holders did their best to destroy, ending the independence of the relatively self-sufficient rural inhabitants and forcing them to move into urban slums and work long hours in the factories. This what happens when Lockean property rights to homestead resources are prohibited by a government.
October 2, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
heh...well, Locke also wrote "God gave the earth to man as property, to dispense with as man chooses." Ain't nuttin sacred?
To paraphrase F.S.C. Lathrop (Meeting of East and West) "The US Constitution is a property law document, and the Bill of Rights was necessary to protect us from it."
October 2, 2008 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Absolutely. See, the French included the Right of Revolution in their Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen...and any culture that can invent more than 330 different kind of cheese has something going for it...some je ne sais quoi...
October 2, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remember an old 50s sci fi TV show about a future where people are legally obligated to consume.
I remember an early sci-fi story along the same lines. It was about a retirement party for an older couple. They would no longer be required to buy certain things each week to keep the economy going. I think it won a Hugo Award.
It may turn out that the worse thing about the Red Scare is how it stifled economic conversation for decades. Maybe not in academia, but outside it.
October 2, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Today there is NO freedom. We are all of us hopelessly interdependent on all of the webs of interrelatedness attached to civilization, as the victims of hurricanes Ike and Katrina have learned so well.
You are right to focus on interdependence c4Logic. What we have seen in recent days is a massive outpouring of frustrated, rebellious rage over the sometimes chafing bands of interdependence. We all naturally resent it when we are forced to confront the fact that our well-being is yoked to the well-being of many millions of others, some of whom behave irresponsibly, selfishly and even criminally, and have the ability to drag us down with them when they bail or fail.
But I don't agree we have no freedom. We have just traded some kinds of freedoms for others. Most of us have surrendered much of the autonomy and self-reliant liberty of American legend - the grow-your-own, build-your-own, kill-your-own, look after your own, leave me alone ethos of the mythic American stalwart - for the freedom derived from certain kinds of power over the world around us, power that comes from accepting interdependence. We are not rugged and self-reliant individualists. On the other hand, Patrick Henry wasn't free to browse the internet for up-to-the-minute news from Paris, to travel from Virginia to Massachusetts in one day, to extract beautiful music from the aether by pressing an "on" switch or to exchange his ideas or material goods instantly and directly with another man half a world away in a market that extends everywhere.
October 2, 2008 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are describing two kinds of freedom--freedom for, and freedom from.
But I mean the word freedom in a more abstract sense. Free = unconditional. Unqualified. It's own self, independent. Resting on no foundation.
You can argue, as did Sartre, that human nature is itself, unconditional--but that is sophistry, as anyone knows who has ever been stuck in traffic with an urgent need to use the toilet.
The fact is that our being is conditioned by the requirements of our own survival, and the limitations and constraints imposed upon us by our environment, including the socio-cultural matrix into which we have been born. Given that predicament, you still have qualified 'freedom' in the sense that you can choose to act, not to act, take this path or that path. But if the only choice is whether to by regular or premium gasoline--or to eat at McDonalds or Burger King, then 'freedom for' is not such an important value, anymore, and 'freedom from' becomes obviously more desireable. Who among us does not wish to have 'freedom from clowns and bozos that force us to choose from their regrettably limited selection'?
It's just that some of us want sustainability--and freedom from catastrophe--and some of us want to take all the money and run. I want freedom FROM those that want to take the money and run--so that I can have freedom to, earn a living, raise my children, save for a rainy day.
October 2, 2008 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's just that some of us want sustainability--and freedom from catastrophe--and some of us want to take all the money and run. I want freedom FROM those that want to take the money and run--so that I can have freedom to, earn a living, raise my children, save for a rainy day.
Agreed. But that means we have to minimize the legal and structural opportunities for a person to take the money and run in the first place. Because whatever money these runners can get their hands on must have been produced from the same wealth-creation matrix in which we all swim.
October 2, 2008 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I completely agree with this proposition.
You have to have a Marshall Dillon to keep the guys honest that run the gaming room at the local saloon. Otherwise they will rig the game. Simple.
October 2, 2008 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jim, I am very much down with the message that consumerism, debt, avarice and our myriad hedonistic addictions are making us Americans weak and stupid, and putting us in thrall to the pimps, pushers and bookies who feed our cravings and superintend our debts.
But I can't find in this diatribe even the beginnings of a coherent policy agenda or political program. It's just a sort of historical-philosophical rant. Nor do I see the logical lines between the social critique and the precise criticism of the bailout and its proposed alternatives.
Right now, whether we like it or not, we are all tied to the convoluted financial networks that have been proliferated, gamed and degraded by the unregulated, insider flim-flam artists, with their infinitely creative and inventive Ponzi instruments for betting on the failures of others, and for creating cauldrons of phony wealth and then skimming real hard cash off the top layer before their victims get a clue.
And we Main-Streeters are partly responsible for the consumerist decadence ourselves. After all, we're the ones watching those neo-Roman circuses, and gorging ourselves on the luxuries provided by the low-wage provincial work force, and paid for with the credit advanced by the provincial governors.
If you have some concrete ideas about how to overhaul our systems of finance, production, work, savings and compensation, let's hear them.
But I have trouble taking yours and Dean Baker's prescriptions seriously since you both evinced such a blasé - and to my mind psychologically unrealistic and morally irresponsible - attitude about the likely human effects of a massive society-wide collapse of credit and confidence. I just can't believe your notion that the ill effects would last "about a day", and then the Fed would rush in and save us somehow, and restore us to health a day later.
October 2, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
We have learned over and over again, and forget with each generation, that human beings are motivated by the twin drives of greed and fear. Together, they tend to balance once another, in a simple survival situation, to provide us with both the greed to attack the elephant with a fire sharpened spear, and the fear of getting tromped to death.
But when these energies are abstracted out into a system of capitalism--it is possible to set up systems that encourage or suppress one or the other, and create an enormous imbalance. In todays financial world, some clever mathematicians tried to eliminate fear from the market with fancy derivatives hedging formulas. Now, Emerson's law of compensation comes roaring back with fear.
What we want is dynamic equilibrium--this is what you have in the engine of your car. This is what we have in a nuclear reactor. To achieve this, YOU REGULATE. Ask a bridge engineer if he believes in regulation in the manufacture of cable or steel girders. Why is the idea of regulation in capital markets such a strange idea? Well it isn't. But greed does not want to be regulated--and greed wants to kill fear. Regulations are born out of fear. Every law is written in blood. Let's write some bloody laws. Is it not possible to design a sustainable system? I believe that it is.
October 2, 2008 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I loved this Jim.
This recent 'gun to the head' approach of Wall Street is truly sickening. Jesus, talk about 'terrorism.'
And what about the "Something for Something" approach of Dean Baker? Taxpayers trade T Bills, used for re-capitalization in return for an equity stakes in the banks that take us up on it.
Instead we're handed the "Something for Nothing" Paulson plan as if it can simply be the only option.
October 2, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is no question that the economy was kidnapped and ransomed for 700 billion, plus another 150 billion in pork to lure the timid.
Question is--what do we have to do to prevent the economy from EVER being kidnapped again? Or have we crossed the Rubicon--and there is no return? Are we now so burded down with debt that all revenues are commited for the next 5 generations? Just to pay off the Vigor?
October 2, 2008 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
We actually need more interdependence.
I believe one thing we need in this society is a federal maximum wage law: a law that says no employee of a firm can receive compensation in excess of some fixed multiple of the least-compensated employee at that firm. We need to yoke the well-being of executives and top management at a firm much more tightly to the well-being of everyone else at that firm, so all boats rise or fall together, and sail in the same direction. If an executive can't raise his own salary and compensation package without raising the salaries and compensation packages of those at the bottom of the firm, he will be much more industrious and clever about figuring out how the whole team can do better.
We also have to stop rewarding people for devising ingenious and devious methods of tapping the wealth creation ductwork, and draining off drums of lucre into their own private stash. We need to restore a normative and legal model that esteems and rewards prudent, long-term, well-regulated wealth creation, with private entrepreneurial enterprise and creativity joined by far-sighted public investment, social decision-making and cooperative planning, and with the members of society moving ahead or falling behind together. American culture is at the present time much too enamored of the notion that entrepreurial activity, creative destruction and unintended public goods emerging from atomized, selfish behavior can alone produce the future we want.
Above all, we have to restore the notion that the future is actually something we can deliberate about collectively and democratically, and then choose, rather than something that just happens as the unintended aggregate result of disorganized, self-seeking individual agency. What good is my individual freedom to choose, if the environment in which I make these choices is completely outside my control as even an equal participant. I believe a deep source of contemporary unhappiness is the feeling that social change and the future is something that just comes at us like an uninvited, impersonal leviathan, formed from the invisible hand of an inhuman economic Fate. It's one thing to be unhappy about changes that one didn't vote for, but one's fellow countrymen did. It's much worse to feel like a hapless victim of ugly social or environmental changes that nobody chose.
I reject the idea that you can't get people to work hard unless they have the ability to make themselves multi-millionaires. I see people every day who work hard and do excellent jobs in their various fields of endeavor, for much less money than the usual top corporate CEO or high-profile Wall Street wizard gets. I don't see why the person who manages the finances of a corporation should be any different than most other people in the incentives that appeal to him or her for doing an excellent job. If they are proud, virtuous, responsible and hard-working people, they will continue to seek challenges, and do a good job when they get them, without being paid an emperor's fortune.
October 2, 2008 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
A maximum wage law--I think Plato originally proposed this...but in actuality, if you look at the salaries of Corporate Execs of Japanese companies, they are much more reasonable and sensible. I don't know how they managed to achieve this--but I do know that they used to have a tradition of employment for life--and to have to lay off workers was an admission of failure and a huge disgrace. A CEO would resign if they had to lay off workers. I also know that Japanese banks and companies have a much closer relationship to the government--but I do not know the details.
October 2, 2008 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dan, that should be passed on intact to every single member of Congress. Great ideas!
I can add only one more: it should not be acceptable business practice for a company to exist solely to increase the amount of money people will pay for its stock. Whether this should be illegal or just be taught in business schools I don't know, but much of our predicament is based on our economy having largely a "greater fool" basis - always knowing that not matter how foolish you are for paying $X for something, you can always find someone willing to pay $X+ for it.
October 2, 2008 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice post, Dan. I especially like the two paragraphs just prior to the last paragraph. The idea, so prevalent since Reagan, that decisions made through unregulated markets in which individuals act in isolation to advance their perceived self-interest are inherently better than decisions made through our democratic process is terribly limiting and destructive to a truly healthy and harmonious society.
October 2, 2008 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
To streamline this and future problems I suggest changing our government to have a House of Lords replace the Senate. These Lords would be CEO's from Fortune 100 Companies. Since what's good for Business is good for Citizens (flow down economics you know). Look at the monetary saving in Lobbyists since they'd staff the House of Lords. Any crisis would be immediately, acted on in favor of Business, without worry about effects on consumers or the economy.
October 2, 2008 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
These comments about freedom are interesting, especially the ones that come from people who have grown to love their chains.
Want to find a modest but pleasant alternative to alternative to what the American car culture has become? Don't saddle me with imaages of Kentucy frontiersmen, and set out instead for "old" Europe. Walk the city streets, ride the trains. Sure, they have cars (and don't even start me on the traffic in Rome), but, c'mon. Wise up. There really are other ways to live, even in our more tightly woven, interdependent societies.
If you really want the models, they're out there and functioning, more sanely, less manaically, than those now in play in America.
I suppose I shouldn't have cited the founders and Gibbon, because that sent back there in a way I'd never have gone.
October 2, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you chained to the air you breath? Give it a rest. Chained to the water you drink? Just stop it. Chained to the food you eat? Give it up. Come on, there are other ways to live. Stretch your genome. Evolve chlorophyl and photosynthesize. You love your freedom. Stop urinating. Resist the tyranny of the bladder.
It's a democracy. Let's suggest that everyone park their cars and walk the streets. Let's put it to a vote, in fact. Why would anyone have to commute two hours each way to work?
Hell, lets just put on our best clothes and sit around the campfire drinking kava-kava till the ghosts of the old ones arrive on ships bearing gifts and usher in the New Age.
October 2, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I take it you weren't impressed with his response.
October 2, 2008 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nor was I, actually, given the problems Europe is facing in their own financial markets today.
Of course, the point about simplifying life is a good one, and we have much to learn from "old Europe" in that regard. But the advice only goes so far, as they too are part of this interconnected world we live in, and cannot escape the hardships this current crisis will visit on all of us.
October 2, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem is that simplifying our existence to right size our consumption with our renewable resources is a Utopian ideal. Ideally, we would decentralize everything and produce what we need locally. No planned obsolescence, no place containers in land fills, no suburban sprawl, public transportation, Opera Houses, no junk mail, no corporate marketing divisions, and so on and so forth. But the only way that would happen is if there was a dictatorship. You would only be able to achieve the above approach if oil or any other single source of distributed energy became unavailable. The fact that oil and natural gas are so liquid and distributable is what enables them to be monopolized and control over them centralized. Of course the true cost of them is deferred, but as long as easy money is there for the taking, the energy producers have the catbird seat.
You can jawbone the issue all you want, but there are plently of people getting rich by 'fattening up' the American consumer. You are asking people to be motivated by altruistic reason, rather than by fear and greed. It just ain't going to happen. I am asking for someone to devote their efforts to coming up with pragmatic approaches to the problems we face.
October 2, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't being chained the ultimate freedom?
October 2, 2008 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jim, where are the actual proposals? You are talking about structural social and economic changes. Lay something out that people can actually get a handle on and debate.
And why all this sudden concern about "car culture"? Isn't the bigger issue in the current crisis our addiction to "house culture"? But anyway, it's not so clear to me that cutting back on cars is automatically a move toward living less manically. Public transportation is only viable in areas with high-density populations, and the way of life in these high-density areas is typically more manic than the way of life in less congested areas.
I suppose I could move from my beautiful New Hampshire habitat to some grimy city like New York or New Haven and ride the train with the other sardines. But I find the atmosphere in most large cities unpleasantly frenzied, noisy and dirty, with just a bit too many people, and a bit too few trees, lakes, streams, stars and mountains.
With a little bit of industry and focused research, we can drive smaller, and much, much more energy efficient cars. In any case, what has car culture to do essentially with our dependence on finance capital? No matter how we live, we are still going to have jobs. And our companies, large or small, are going to depend for their necessary cash flows on the network of credit and promises. And if we aren't buying cars, we will be buying other things. Now maybe our cars are too big and expensive on average. That definitely can be changed.
October 2, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Real Bailout: New Deal No. 2:
-Taking all the last 5-10 years bonuses from Top-bankers speculants. Don't worry; they'll still be terribly rich.
-Close down those hot-air investments banks. They are not really banks, since they don't sit on real fortune. Don't keep maintaining this lie. That- instead of taking foreign loans that the tax payers will be the ones paying it.
-Sell all the assets of these Banks. Use the money to make sure all middle-class and low-class citizens will not lose their houses or be hurt in a major way:
-by forming a plan that makes sure nobody loses his house and put a limit to the loss a loan-taker could carry. It can be funded from the Sub-prime Bonuses above and the public funds.
-put up a law that bands speculants-greedy irresponsible conduct. The standards already exist in other countries. (As in Switzerland.)- I.e.-regulations and monitoring.
-Do fill the economic holes of this domino effect concerning all that is besides the burnt citizens. After selling the assets of these banks and the reclaiming of their corrupt fat bonuses, the bailout will reduced considerably.
...But your houses won't approve it. They can't stand admitting this capitalist lie all the way down. They cannot take the full responsibility, because they sold the opposite story for too long.
I hope Barak Obama will be smart enough to fight publicly for those fundamental Ideological and economical changes after he's elected. But I seriously doubt it.
October 2, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
With all due respect to the rare and welcome seriousness and assiduousness of some commenters like Dan K, it is not my job to repeat in a post the sound proposals that I have already referenced in other posts, including proposals made right here in TPM, or that I linked in my previous two posts on this subject. This post sketches some historical parallels and/or precedents for now. It's amusing that this brings out some people who live full time in the past.
It's also more than a bit silly to harp on my reference to car culture, which I presented as an example (it is almost a metaphor, too) for a society whose other deepening and converging maladies I have sketched in other posts.
If you'd like to talk less about road rage and more about the lethal stampedes at stores on so-called "Black Friday" sales, or about the rise of "ultimate fighting" or "extreme fighting" and increasing spectator lust for gladatorial confrontatios, go ahead. If you'd like to talk about the rising proportions of American young people who are on prescribed drugs in elementary and junior high school until they "graduate" to illegal drugs, we can talk about that, too.
And if you'd like to talk about the housing bubble and predatory lending, watch the Bill Moyers segment with William Greider which I linked in a post on predatory lending here a couple of months ago.
But probably the best thing to do would be to grow up and recognize that a post is a post, not a treatise or a book. I have written three posts on the bailout. Two of them link others' coherent and sensible alternatives to the package that seems about to pass. Hello? Go read them. This post is about historical precedents and parallels.
October 2, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I came to the conclusion before I read your last post, that they weren't listening. I'm taken aback by C4s twisting things back on themselves. He said he wants to be free from the predations of the rich, and ends by describing a Jeffersonian society. Is it anti-technology? I don't know. The rich on the other hand often believe that technology will save them, so who am I to question. I've never really understood the arguments about the meaning of freedom. Freedom is word much like love, seriously lacking in any concrete meaning. But then, I've spent most of my life alone. I keep thinking, Jesus has never lived, and Darwin is like the river which springs eternal. Sad indeed.
October 2, 2008 8:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking of historical analogies--I thought it was interesting that Larry Kudlow referenced Hamilton's bill to assume the revolutionary war debt last night as the Senate was voting--"Hamilton did this" he crowed. (Like that forgives absolutely anything).
It was a bone of contention between Hamilton and Madison that Hamilton did not want to attempt to seek out the original purchasers of the war bonds, but was content to pay off the current holders--financial speculators (a number of them sitting right there in Congress, voting their personal self interest)-- who purchased them on the cheap from the original funders of the war when they were believed to be virtually worthless.
The speculators made a killing, but Hamilton figured that in addition to "restoring the full faith and credit of the US," they would fund industry and the federal government, enabling the government to collect taxes, and build the treasury. I suppose they more or less did fund industry, but in the meantime the Republican Party formed in revulsion at the "tax on land and labor" needed to assume the debt that would go straight into the speculators' pockets.
I've always been suspicious that Robert Rubin's little think tank was named "the Hamilton Group." The other day someone asked if we thought these finance gurus ruined the economy on purpose. I don't think they planned to ruin the entire economy on purpose, but by now they're certainly well versed in the extent to which the risks incurred though their own recklessness will be assumed by the government. This sort of perfidy does not sound like "Hamilton" to me.
I would hardly point fingers at the dissipated populace, however. It strikes me that most people in this country barely hold themselves together, which does not constitute willful dissipation, in my book. The free market conservatives in Congress and their neo-liberal enbablers, on the other hand, have a lot to answer for.
I think it's interesting that the Senate deliberately attached the AMT provision to this particular bill. They know who their only popular constituency is, and they know who can be counted on to go along because they can still get along.
Given that the AMT provision is attached to this bailout bill, who is it exactly that is supposed to re-fund the treasury this time? We know Larry Kudlow doesn't think we should tax the rich. We know Paulson doesn't want to snip the golden parachutes, and what have you.
I'm also pretty convinced that this one particular profession--finance-- is less and less interested in "funding industry" all the time, and keenly interested in elaborate cash out schemes that no one can figure out, including themselves (or so they say). Meanwhile, what I'm hearing is that the stock market the rest of us have access to will pop for a few days and then tank for the rest of the recession (again). Well, it's a crapshoot. Even S&P hasn't been too good at rating anything these past few years.
Someone needs to go smack our congress-critters silly, but I don't think it's going to be the populace.
October 2, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sigh.
It is so disheartening that the boldest suggestions for economic reform from the left are so timid, so accepting of our current economic paradigm.
Riddle me this. What exactly is teh economy? What is its purpose?
Economists and others talk about teh economy like it is a giant mechanical contraption that can be jimmyed this way or jiggled that way to produce a desired outcome. What they seem to forget is that teh economy is just an aggregation of the individual economies of each and every one of us so it is real people who are getting jimmyed and jiggled by vying economic theories.
Economists on the right think the purpose of teh economy is to create wealth. Those on the left think it is about job creation and wages. But both of these are means not ends. They are simply means for us to satisfy our needs and wants. Well, duh, you say. But think about it. Why are so many people having problems affording basic needs like housing and health care, even food, in the biggest, strongest aggregation of individual economies in the history of the world?
We tend to focus our energies and intelligence on our goals. We have perceived our economic goals to be wealth and jobs so we have devised a system to accomplish those goals. If we set different goals, we would devise a different system or modify the one we have. There is nothing sacrosanct about an economic system. It is just a means to an end. Define the end then devise a means to accomplish it.
It is especially important for young people in the job market to think about new ends and means. As both population and productivity increase with medical and technological progress, the ratio of people to jobs will rise. There will not be enough real jobs to go around. Sure there will be some genuine newer ones and a lot of made up ones as well for those with wealthy connections. Those with no wealth and no job prospects face a very bleak economic future if we continue to cling to OWOL.
I am not really a fan of Ayn Rand but I do remember a line from Atlas Shrugged: Think in new categories. Start thinking newer, people.
October 2, 2008 9:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Populism too can advance by degrees -- not just by revolution. Anger and disgust at the Republican legacy is growing, and rearing its head in a thousand little ways. So I don't think it has to be the case that "the people" are collapsing before the onslaught of tyranny. I'm hoping instead that we are finally finding our spine.
October 2, 2008 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink