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No Torture, No Exceptions

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Christopher is right to remember Jackson's very powerful words. Let's recall them exactly:

If certain acts of violation of treaties are crimes, they are crimes whether the United States does them or whether Germany does them. And we are not prepared to lay down the rule of criminal conduct against others which we would not be willing to have invoked against us. We must never forget that the record on which we judge these defendants is the record on which history will judge us tomorrow. To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our own lips as well.

That really does go directly to the challenge we face today, doesn't it? America's credibility in prosecuting in 1946 rested on its firm undertaking to uphold the rules it articulated in that prosecution. There is no comparing America's mistakes in the war on terror with the crimes against humanity committed by the Axis Powers. But it's also clear that the Bush Administration has moved back from a number of very bright-line commitments that prior American administrations--start with Lincoln's--made with respect to the treatment of prisoners in war time. The challenge America faces now is to regain its credibility on that issue.

The question of universal standards is also very important. Countries always quibble over the interpretation of legal norms and treaties; that's the nature of human discourse and of diplomacy. But Nuremberg established the idea that there were a handful of these legal rules that were so fundamental that no state would be let off the hook with legal niceties--remember the German defendants at Nuremberg, in an argument that recalls many pages of memoranda by John Yoo, argued that the Soviet Union had not followed in the footsteps of Imperial Russia in embracing the Geneva Conventions, so it was not entitled to the benefit of those conventions. The Tribunal said essentially, "technically correct, but no matter." Most of those core rules that came out of Nuremberg had to do with the protection of prisoners--people who were hors de combat. Conservative legal scholars like Jack Goldsmith scoff at international law, but if you look at the book that Jack wrote with Eric Posner on international law, try and find their discussion of international humanitarian law. There isn't any. That's because it defies all the simplistic generalizations they make at the outset of their book; it "doesn't fit the model." So they'd prefer to wish it into oblivion, apparently.

Somehow the Bush Administration fell onto a very dangerous track, thinking that if it had sufficiently clever lawyers, it would reason its way out of any commitment. So, I agree with Christopher--universal standards may never be realized in some sort of absolute way, but the community will form an agreement about the core rules. And one of them is that you can't torture. No exceptions.

In the debate over the Military Commissions Act, one of the earliest objections raised by Senators McCain and Graham, quite rightly, was the risk that the Bush Administration was crafting a U.S. view of Geneva that was very distant both from the prevailing view in the world and the historical U.S. view taken by American administrations up to that time. From the military professional's perspective, you simply can't keep changing these rules--certainly not in such a sweeping way--without confusing the people who are supposed to apply them. From the policy maker's perspective it puts too much risk on U.S. actors, meaning they might take conduct that the world community--or at least a number of important players in that community--would see as criminal. One of the changes that was negotiated in the MCA addressed this to some extent. As one of McCain's aides told me, the redefinition of war crimes in the MCA meant that there would be war crimes as to which the statute did not grant explicit enforcement authority. This conduct was still a war crime, and might still be prosecuted by others. And when we look at the MCA and the changes in definition that the Administration sought, it's clear that they were running a jigsaw through the statute trying to avoid prosecutions for waterboarding, hypothermia, long-time standing, the use of psychotropic drugs and other acts of torture that they had embraced. They were trying to protect themselves from prosecution. At some point, sooner rather than later, the next administration will have to disentangle us from the enormous mess that Bush Administration created. The accountability of Bush policy makers is a part of that picture.


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Not that the current Supreme Court might think so, but don't the treaties still trump the statute? The only question then would be whether the old torture statutes come into play, or whether the US would be bound by the constitution to request action by a tribunal at The Hague.

I can agree as long as international humanitarian law is just the shoehorn to get international law of all kinds back to where it should be. And it is important in cases far beyond what has been common public knowledge so far, for instance, the ICRC opposes closing Guantanamo because of the possibility that the alternatives will be worse, and decisions such as Boumediene are uncertain on what they mean for the Afghan prison system we've set up.

But there are a lot of Pakistanis, and other foreign nationals that were taken into custody, kept incommunicado, and held without charge in places like Bagram and Guantanamo, for whom IHL shouldn't apply. They were picked up on no battlefield, they were picked up in no country occupied by the U.S. Describing their rights under Geneva is subscribing to the Bush administration's view that a person can be picked up anywhere in the world, doing anything, and held without charge forever as an illegal enemy combatant. These people need to be seen for what they are: civilians entitled to civilian due process, entitled to international human rights law where applicable, but why IHL? What war? What battlefield? Who are the hostile powers? Which nationalities are civilians under Geneva, which foreign nationals?

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Exactly.

All people have to have access to the courts and the writ of Habeas Corpus. Abuse is where it came from, why it is needed for common rights, and why it shouldn't exclude anyone -- now or any time.

And why the USA is so wrong now.

It's a simple argument that was won 700 years ago. It's in the Constitution with very specific limitations. It was abrogated -- to the shame of the USA -- in WWII (and in the Civil War). That we need to refight this right with no justification for retraction is argument enough against the idiots in power now.

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