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Posted without comment, except for: until March of this year Paulson is pretty much clueless about the broader ramifications of the housing bubble bursting. Until then, in fact, he is engaged in efforts to keep the bubble from deflating, including the use of the GSEs (Fannie and Freddy). If I was a combination Stalinist-conspiricist, I would suspect the further injection of liqudity into housing, which supported the much larger sh*tpile of mortgage-backed securities and the like, was preparation for selling this crap to the taxpayers. It is certainly working out that way.

August 1, 2006: Paulson inaugural speech has no mention of mortgages or financial markets.

November 20, 2006: Our capital markets are the deepest, most efficient, and most transparent in the world. We are the world's leader and innovator in mergers and acquisitions advice, venture capital, private equity, hedge funds, derivatives, securitization skills, and Exchange Traded Funds. This expertise has made our leading financial institutions, many of them headquartered right here in New York, leaders in Asia, Europe, and Latin America. U.S. commercial and investment banks contribute greatly to economic success all around the globe. . . . While no nation's regulatory structure is perfect, ours has served us very well for many years. It is second to none. And to ensure that it meets the challenges of the years ahead, we should be open to learning from our own experience and from the experience of others. . . .

November 28, 2006: The United States and the UK have had well-developed, highly efficient markets for many years. And both serve as an example to the rest of the world. U.S. financial sector deregulation in the 1980s led to an explosion of new services and financial instruments, making the United States the world's leader and innovator in financial services, including mergers and acquisitions advice, securitization skills, derivatives, high-yield debt financing, and hedge funds.

December 11, 2006: Homeownership is a goal that unites Americans across racial, ethnic, and income lines. President Bush is particularly pleased that minority homeownership rates have increased in recent years, as overall homeownership levels have reached new heights. And throughout the Administration, we continue to look for ways to increase access to capital and financing, so that people who work hard and save can one day walk across the threshold of their very own home.

The value of mortgage products in the United States has grown significantly. As of September, outstanding mortgage debt totaled roughly $ 12.8 trillion - an increase of more than $5 trillion since the beginning of the decade. And today's mortgage-backed securities marketplace features substantial liquidity. The daily trading average of Agency Mortgage Backed Securities is nearly $244 billion, up from $38 billion a decade ago.

Fostering a robust mortgage lending industry and mortgage securities marketplace is an essential mission of the Treasury Department.

The housing sector makes significant contributions to our economy. Residential construction accounts for about five-and-a-half percent of GDP, or three-quarters of a $1 trillion in spending. And it directly accounts for about 3 percent of total employment in the U.S.

Activity in the housing sector helped to drive our recovery out of the recession of 2001. From 2003 to 2005, housing activity added about half a percentage point to overall GDP growth each quarter.

This year, activity in the sector has slowed down. But the overall health of our economy continues to be strong.

March 13, 2007: U.S. capital markets are the deepest, most efficient, and most transparent in the world. We are the world's leader and innovator in mergers and acquisitions advice, venture capital, private equity, hedge funds, derivatives, securitization skills, and Exchange Traded Funds. With this expertise, our major financial institutions have contributed greatly to economic success throughout the world.

September 20, 2007: As has been well documented, the current credit market reappraisal started in the subprime mortgage market. The performance of subprime mortgages deteriorated, as a result of higher than expected delinquencies and defaults. This introduced greater uncertainty regarding both the future prospects of subprime mortgage-backed securities and the methodologies the credit rating agencies used to rate these securities. These factors led investors fundamentally to reassess the risk of these securities and subsequently to reassess price. Compounding the challenge was the increased complexity and opacity of many of the mortgage backed securities investment strategies and instruments. The combination of uncertainty and complexity resulted in few investors willing to put capital at risk.

Given the interconnectedness of the various components of our capital markets, these concerns over subprime mortgages and related securities had an impact on investors' confidence and assumptions about the credit quality and value of other assets. Consistent with expectations, we have witnessed a reassessment of risk, and hence a subsequent revaluation across capital markets globally. Certain asset classes were able to reassess fairly quickly and investors have greater confidence in their fundamental assessments. In such markets, liquidity has returned and markets are operating in a more customary fashion.

October 16, 2007: The GSEs also have a role to play in making affordable mortgage products more widely available. It is their mission. The secondary market in GSE mortgage-backed securities is functioning well. The GSEs could increase the flow of mortgage capital to refinance subprime borrowers if they securitized a greater number of these mortgages. To accomplish this, the GSEs must work closely with their private mortgage insurance company partners in the development of new products. The GSEs have additional capacity to help more blemished-credit struggling homeowners and we are hopeful that they will step up to this challenge. . . . The reassessment of risk has played out more rapidly in some markets than in others. In certain asset classes, risk has been reassessed and repriced fairly quickly as investors gained confidence in their fundamental assessments. In such markets, liquidity has returned and markets are operating normally. Good examples would include world equity markets, sovereign debt markets, and investment grade corporate debt.

On the other hand, some sectors that are characterized by more complex securities or that rely more heavily on securitization and ratings -- such as the jumbo mortgage market, the leveraged loan market, and the asset backed commercial paper market -- are still operating under some stress with impaired liquidity. Conditions are better than they were a few weeks ago, and we continue to see improvements, but it will take longer for these sectors to fully recover. . . . Innovation is the hallmark of our capital markets and it brings with it significant benefits to individual investors and our overall economy. However, innovation often outpaces regulation. That is not surprising, and we would not want it the other way around. If it were, we would have less competitive and efficient markets, which would ultimately stifle economic growth. It would mean fewer jobs and lower wages.

December 3, 2007: As we are all aware, the housing and mortgage markets are working through a period of turmoil, as are other credit markets, as risk is being reassessed and re-priced. We expect that this turbulence will take some time to work through, and we expect some penalty on our short-term economic growth. The positive news is that we are confronting and managing these challenges against the backdrop of a strong global economy. And the U.S. economy remains fundamentally sound - core inflation is contained, continued job gains are providing a good foundation for household spending, corporate balance sheets remain healthy overall, and strong growth abroad is supporting U.S. exports.

December 17, 2007: We do expect that the housing market turbulence will take some time to work through, and that there will be some penalty on our short-term economic growth. Fortunately, the economic picture in Orlando is relatively strong: you have a healthy job market, with an unemployment rate over one percentage point below the national average.

Overall, the U.S. economy will continue to grow and is fundamentally sound. Core inflation is contained, continued job gains are providing a good foundation for household spending, corporate balance sheets remain healthy overall, and strong growth abroad is supporting U.S. exports. . . .

The government acted to prevent a market failure and to try to avoid unnecessary harm that would result from a cumbersome, difficult decision-making process due to a coming wave of struggling subprime borrowers. We developed a solution that involves no government funding or subsidies for industry or homeowners. . . .

December 18, 2007: We do expect that the housing market turbulence will take some time to work through, and that there will be some penalty on our short-term economic growth. Kansas City is facing these difficulties with a somewhat weaker economy than other parts of the country, with an unemployment rate about a point and a half above the national average.

Overall, the U.S. economy will continue to grow and is fundamentally sound. Core inflation is contained, continued job gains are providing a good foundation for household spending, corporate balance sheets remain healthy overall, and strong growth abroad is supporting U.S. exports.

December 18, 2007: We do expect that the housing market turbulence will take some time to work through, and that there will be some penalty on our short-term economic growth. Stockton is facing these difficulties with a somewhat weaker economy than other parts of the country, with an unemployment rate about five percentage points above the national average.

Overall, the U.S. economy will continue to grow and is fundamentally sound. Core inflation is contained, continued job gains are providing a good foundation for household spending, corporate balance sheets remain healthy overall, and strong growth abroad is supporting U.S. exports. . . .

January 7, 2008: After years of unsustainable price appreciation and lax lending practices, a housing correction was inevitable and necessary. That correction is underway. Over the next two years, we also face an unprecedented wave of 1.8 million subprime mortgage resets, raising the potential of a market failure. Because the industry does not have the capacity to manage this volume, without action, unnecessary foreclosures would result.

To meet this challenge, this Administration - without committing any taxpayer money - helped foster an industry-wide effort to prevent this market failure. By preventing avoidable foreclosures, we will safeguard neighborhoods and communities, and fulfill our primary responsibility of protecting the broader U.S. economy. However, let me be clear: there is no single or simple solution that will undo the excesses of the last few years. . . .

Fortunately, creditworthy borrowers looking for a conforming mortgage will find that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have remained active, and traditional conforming mortgage products are readily available. Fannie and Freddie's securitization volumes have risen dramatically since June of 2007, even as other mortgage markets slowed. However, they are also experiencing stress due to the housing downturn and both companies reported substantial third quarter losses. I am pleased that Fannie and Freddie have moved quickly to raise capital and, through their securitization activities, remain a positive force for home finance. . . .

For the last five months, markets have been comprehensively reassessing risk, resulting in the re-pricing of securities across a number of asset classes and sectors. This is appropriate and a healthy return to fundamentals. Given the global nature of our markets and the complexity of the instruments involved, it will take additional time to work through this period of stress and volatility.

As markets reassess, we should not be surprised or disappointed to see financial institutions writing down assets and strengthening balance sheets. This is market discipline in action and should enhance market confidence over time. One thing I have learned over my career is that if a financial institution needs capital, it should move quickly to raise it. Moving to strengthen balance sheets better prepares financial institutions to exploit new opportunities and confront inevitable challenges.

As Treasury Secretary, I continue to firmly believe in the value of this approach; it is a positive for financial institutions, capital markets and our economy. Our financial institutions entered this period well-capitalized, and we expect them to remain so. . . .

I have great confidence in our markets. They have weathered similar stressful periods in the past - whether it was the Savings & Loan crisis, Latin American and Asian market turbulence or the tech bubble of the late 1990s. The private and public sectors responded and worked through these difficult periods. Markets recovered then, and they will again. . . .

January 30, 2008: Last fall, we encouraged the creation of the HOPE NOW alliance, a coalition representing over 90 percent of the subprime servicing market and non-profit mortgage counseling organizations, trade associations and investors. This industry-wide effort employs multiple tools to reach and help struggling homeowners, including streamlining subprime borrowers into refinancings and loan modifications to avoid a market failure. And they are doing so without asking American taxpayers to pay the bill.

There are promising developments. . . .

February 14, 2008: The U.S. economy is fundamentally strong, diverse and resilient, yet after years of unsustainable home price appreciation, our economy is undergoing a significant and necessary housing correction. The housing correction, high energy prices and capital market turmoil are weighing on current economic growth. I believe that our economy will continue to grow, although its pace in coming quarters will be slower than what we have seen in recent years. . . .

Treasury continues to monitor capital markets closely and to advocate strong market discipline and robust risk management. While we are in a difficult transition period as markets reassess and re-price risk, I have confidence in our markets. They have recovered from stressful periods in the past, and they will do so again. . . .

February 28, 2008: While I expect the economy to continue to grow this year, the housing correction continues to pose the biggest downside risk. And we at Treasury are focused on the housing and mortgage markets.

Let's put this in perspective: 93% of mortgages are paid on time. Less than 2% are in foreclosure.

So while some in Washington are proposing big interventions, most of the proposals I've seen would do more harm than good. I'm not interested in bailing out investors, lenders and speculators. I'm focused on solutions targeted at struggling homeowners who want to keep their homes. . . .

March 19, 2008: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are significant participants in the mortgage market and I am encouraged that today's announcement will make more financing available in this area. Additional capital will enable the companies to help more homeowners and will strengthen the underlying fundamentals of the mortgage market.

Today's announcement also reaffirms the commitment of all parties to work toward comprehensive GSE reform legislation as soon as possible. I look forward to working with Director Lockhart, Congress and the GSEs on this important legislation.

March 26, 2008: For some months now, reduced access to short term funding and liquidity issues have created turmoil in our capital markets. In the midst of these conditions, Bear Stearns found itself facing bankruptcy. The Federal Reserve acted promptly to resolve the Bear Stearns situation and avoid a disorderly wind-down. It is the job of regulators to come together to address times such as this; and we did so. Our focus was the stability and orderliness of our financial markets. . . .

Despite the fundamental changes in our financial system, it would be premature to jump to the conclusion that all broker-dealers or other potentially important financial firms in our system today should have permanent access to the Fed's liquidity facility. Recent market conditions are an exception from the norm. At this time, the Federal Reserve's recent action should be viewed as a precedent only for unusual periods of turmoil. . . .


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Malicious intent indeed.

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Now let me get this straight;

The wolfs that put the wolfs in the chicken coop are now going to let the wolfs out to save the wolfs who put the wolfs in the chicken coop.

ahhh, I got it now.

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Paulsen: "Additional capital will enable the companies to help more homeowners"

Gotta love it. The ever-dependable US taxpayers are now the source of "additional capital."

As the CEO for Goldman Sachs, Hank received an $18m bonus in 2006 for his efforts to securitize mortgages, the basis of the current mess. Now he's got his hands on "additional capital" -- the US Treasury. Get him outa there!

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I renew my question: Why can't Congress appoint somebody else to spend the $700 billion? Why must it be the Secretary of the Treasury?

Even Dodd's plan, which is getting some good reviews, sets up the whole program under the umbrella of Treasury.

If Paulson is so smart, why didn't he see this coming six months or a year ago? (I read a book two years ago that predicted the housing bubble would crash and bring down the financial markets.)

And if Paulson did see it coming, then why did he lie to us? Over and over?

In either case, why would we trust him now to spend all of that money? Our money!

-- ARG

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Re: Dodd's plan
Posted by Carroll Sep 22, The Washington Note:

Here is what we are buying as defined in Dodd's "plan":

TROUBLED ASSETS.The term "troubled assets" means

residential or commercial mortgages, and any securities, obligations, or other instruments that are based on or related to such mortgages, that in each case were originated or issued on or before March 14, 2008;

So it appears we are authorizing not just the buying of bad residential mortgages but also "commercial" mortgages and all the "securities surrounding them. I take that to mean the high risk mortgage packages and the high risk insurance packages held on commercial development by our wheeler dealer investors in the high profit expectation risk market.

Dodd's plan doesn't differ that much from the other "plan, except that the Ass. Sec. of the Treasury would be the one with the "authority".
His "authority still would not be questioned...even though it "could" be "reviewed"...I assume the way congress 'reviews' all other things....with a rubber stamp.

Dodd does call for CEO compensation to also be 'reviewed' and a clawback for the worst offenders.

He also sets up "entities" to administer all this under the Ass. Sec of the Treasury.

What I find particularly interesting in this is that Dodd calls for the States to be able (or forced) into buying the default property in their States....obviously to be then "resold' to the public so it also appears that the taxpayers will take another hit in their respective states by financing the States buyout of the Fed's inventory of defaults.

Trickle, trickle,trickle....down.

So what have we here? A takeover of failed companies in which we are going to buy all their failed and worthless instruments...securities, mortgages, insurance defaults...but oh yea, Dodd wants us to take "shares" in return from all these dead companies to make up for buying their junk. Shares in failed companies...how novel.
Reminds me of the old Eastern Air Lines warrants.

And then we will spend another billion administering all this through 'entities" most likely made up of the same 'entity people'
who brought us this failure so they can have a second opportunity to rip us off. After they have cherry picked the assets they will shove the garbage property off on the states and we will have our second opportunity to pay for it all again thru out state taxes. (end of Carroll's comment)

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At the bottom of the pyramid were real properties that had a value at that point in time when they had a buyer. The holder of the mortgage used that intrinsic value to leverage a loan much greater than the property--and bundled it into a tranche--which was then used as collateral to obtain a loan even bigger than that of the tranche, and that loan became a bond.

So we have a whole lot of people borrowing lots of money that is secured with your house and mine. Where the hell did all that borrowed money go?

The big loans got hit the way you get hit when you buy or (sell) stock on margin. When my house became worth less than the mortage held on it--in terms of what the market would allow- and the equivalent of a margin call was made. The bank takes over a house after the loan defaults, and cannot sell it, or sells its fraction of its orignal worth--the leverage unravels.

But at the bottom of the pyramid there is still real property--with SOME kind of value. There may not be buyers for it today--but the whole market is sour. But people still need homes. And real estate is still a good personal investment.

Where this all went wrong was in permitting liar's loans and issuing fancy mortgages where the payment would go up after a little while. That is what triggered the first defaults--and then once people owed more than their house was worth--they just walked away from it. That escalated the defaults.

But at some point these properties WILL be worth more than they are today. But it is anybodies guess, when. The government should be dealing with this problem the way the S&L bailout was conducted--I like the Dodd plan 10 times better than giving the checkbook to Paulson--but if we kill the credit market--we are ALL going to be out of a job--real soon. People need to get their minds around this fact.

Dear Hanky Panky,

No more yankee my wankee.

"The holder of the mortgage used that intrinsic value to leverage a loan much greater than the property--and bundled it into a tranche--which was then used as collateral to obtain a loan even bigger than that of the tranche, and that loan became a bond."

They keep saying the underlying problem in the credit markets is "the housing market" and "loan defaults" by over-extended peons, etc. At this point, I don't think that's right. I think the real underlying problem is in this leveraging up. Even if the US govt could buy up the bad mortgage debt, at this proposed "future value estimate," favorable to the banks, I don't see how that resolves the banks' capitalization problems.

I find it hard to believe that just taking the bad mortgages off their hands is going to encourage a return of capital to a whole array of Enrons, and I don't think $700 billion is remotely enough to assume a reasonable percentage of all their other liabilities.

Which likely means it won't work--at least not the way they're selling it to Congress-- and they probably already know that, too. This isn't the S&L crisis any more.

So, they keep yakking about payroll and small business loans and so forth. Maybe Congress needs to charter a national Main Street Bank for emergency lending purposes, and put our money directly into the productive economy. Bypass the Wall Street leaching factor, which is considerable.

We can still charter our own bank, can't we?

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I think you hit many nails on their heads in this post, JT.

Here are some other details to bolster your analysis:

Maybe the Dog Ate The Title to your House.

Wall Street was so busy making money on mortgages that apparently they forgot to keep track of the paperwork.

Judges in at least five states have stopped foreclosure proceedings because the banks that pool mortgages into securities and the companies that collect monthly payments haven't been able to prove they own the mortgages.

US Treasury to States: That's Federal Money. Keep your Regulating Hands Off

Back in 2002, several states attempted to legislate against predatory lending, aka subprime loans. Had the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (part of the US Treasury) not intervened, the credit crisis may not be so severe.

While the banks' legal arguments were thin, the OCC issued regulations in early 2004 nullifying the state laws as they applied to national banks. In part, the OCC reasoned that the states just got it wrong: As the then-comptroller explained in a speech to the Federalist Society, "We know that it's possible to deal effectively with predatory lending without putting impediments in the way of those who provide access to legitimate subprime credit." With the state laws nullified, national banks were free to engage in the sharp practices the states were hoping to stamp out.

So much for the conservative bias towards states rights.

There are Good Bonds and then there are Trouble-Making Bonds

From the (knuckle headed) Chief of the OCC comes this remarkable statement:

“At a minimum, I believe that the credit rating agencies need to do a much better job in disclosing the distinctions between the likely performance of triple A-rated structured securities and triple A-rated corporate securities,” Mr. Dugan said. “If triple A means different things in different contexts, then we all need to know that.”

Ya think?

Do You Like Your Financial Credit Products Scrambled or Sunny Side Up?

From an Angry Bear post that clearly explains what we need to know about the differences in a financial economy and a productive economy:

But we've seen the central component of the rise of the financial sector is the rise of the debt industry. Mortgage, credit cards, all these gimmicks that Wall Street sells-- just all kinds of products. And, of course, the products are laying an egg all over the world right now.
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Today's hearing -- and I didn't get to watch all of it -- was pure kabuki.

There are two threshold questions: 1) is there a threat of a financial "meltdown" in the immediate future and if there is, 2) how will enacting and promising to execute a program to buy junk assets from certain financial institutions -- in the fairly near future -- prevent that "meltdown"?

I didn't hear answers to either question (to the extent they were even asked) which strongly suggests the senators are already members of aulson and Bernanke's team. And since Congress in the face of these dire prognostications must do something, it looks like the cake's been baked.

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In his prepared testimony Bernanke said that the Fed dealt with last week's "crisis" -- and then, rationalized why he was there at the hearing asking for $700 billion to prevent(?) future crises, as follows:

By further reducing asset values and potentially restricting the flow of credit to households and businesses, these developments pose a direct threat to economic growth.

That's all he can say? "Potentially"?

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um Herr Doktor,

You're playing a pretty disingenous game by stopping your chronology at March 27? Is that the way you teach all your classes?

On March 31, Mr. Paulson released a blueprint that proposed the most sweeping overhaul of the nation’s financial regulatory system since the stock market crash of 1929. It would change how the government regulates thousands of businesses, from the nation’s biggest banks and investment houses to local insurance agents and mortgage brokers.
from a June 20 A.P. piece, Treasury Secretary Requests Greater Powers for the Federal Reserve which describes Paulson still trying to sell his plan, despite Congressional dragging feet.

More:
The Paulson Blueprint, Monday, March 31, 2008

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson wants to make dramatic changes in the way U.S. financial markets are regulated. NBR Washington bureau chief Darren Gersh dissects Paulson's plan, and correspondent Erika Miller reports on Wall Street's response to it.

http://www.pbs.org/nbr/site/research/learnmore/080331_paulson_blueprint/

March 31, 2008
Paulson lays out blueprint for Wall Street overhaul
By Stephen Labaton and Michael M. Grynbaum

WASHINGTON: Ambitious plan aims to overhaul financial system surveillance. As Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson Jr. formally laid out an ambitious plan Monday to overhaul the regulatory apparatus that oversees the U.S. financial system, senior lawmakers and industry lobbyists predicted most of it would be dead on arrival...

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/31/business/regs.php

March 31, 2008
hp-896
Treasury Releases Blueprint for Stronger Regulatory Structure
http://www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/hp896.htm

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David Kay Johnston asks a couple of very common sense questions? How come in my last Citibank statement they offered me 0% checks (plus transaction fee) and 2.99% checks--if credit is about to freeze up. How come toxic 1.9% mortgages deals are still being offered all over the internet? How every every credit union and bank I checked is still posting loan rates. Why is this impending COMET COLLISION not reflected in the behavior of all those who make money by extending credit? Why is is all business as usual on mainstreet.

What are we missing here? How come only these guys from Treasury and the Fed can see the Emperors New Clothes? To me he looks naked.

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You beat me to it, c4Logic.

Anyhoo, here's the link via Yglesias, who also asks good questions.

There is no "credit crisis"!

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I am convinced that this is a last hour, hour of the wolf plot to perpetrate the single greatest act of larceny in world history. With one month left before the election, this is a latch ditch effort to take ALL the money for the next century and RUN AWAY. Who is going to stop them?

The Mighty Democrats with Spines of Titanium?

The true tell is the no regulations on CEO compensation rule. That would be a 'poison' pill. Why should that be? Really. If these guys are broke, and all.

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maybe artappraiser's post would be relevant if the "overhaul" that Paulson proposed in March had been anything more than window-dressing, with effectively zero relevance to the current debacle. It was pretty much a bunch of deregulation and chair-shuffling that Paulson and his friends had wanted for a while, tarted up as a response to financial crisis.

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Paulson claimed that the troubled companies who will take part in this buyout, selling their crappy non performing assets to the taxpayer, will be reduced in number if executive compensation restrictions are put in the bill.

Wasn't Paulson saying these executives will let their companies go bankrupt rather than give up some of their compensation?

Paulson also turned a tenet of capitalism on its head when he was asked why the taxpayers who are taking the risk should not share in the profits, and he said no, as that too would keep companies from taking part in the bailout.

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Well I said it wasn't until March of '08 that I found any evidence that Paulson had a clue. To me this is pretty late in the game.

You can also find Bush Administration calls for reorganization of the GSEs, but these are long-standing and failed to include any alarms that would have proved to be appropriate to the situation that came to pass.

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Rotwagn,

"Ride on with Chairman Paulson".

About 40 years ago I saw a film of China and there was a big sign on a wall that said:

"Ride on With Chairman Mao."

Is that where you got the headline?

What I find funny is that economist--who as a class banished ethical considerations from their so-called "descriptive" discipline--trip all over themselves with moral outrage when their mickey mouse prognostications and nostrums come crashing down all around them.

Dismal "science" indeed!

Not all economists shun moral thinking. It's just that economics is not a "moral" science. Neo-classicists (Chicago school) think that markets and utility are ends in and of themselves. And I think that's the thinking you are targeting your ire at.

But many economists look at economics as a system that lays out options and consequences (there's no such thing as a free lunch), and then leaves it to you (or the "government" or the "people") to decide whether beaches or oil is more important, for instance.

You might as well say that Politics or Medicine are also divorced from ethics.

Ethics is essential when you are dealing with the fate of human beings and that's something that you guys simply don't get. And when the crisis—as is inevitable occurs--you are suddenly morally outragerd.

You say that economics simply gives you options. If you do x you will get y etc. Were it that it was so!
Markets are much more stochastic than you think. Market determinism is akin to a religion.

Consider for example where we are today? Oh sure some people "predicted" something like it but in a dicipline that isfrought with incompatible predicitons, that's not surprising

(cf. a monkey may actually manage to type an English word once in a while too).

Besides it is quite escapist to say "we just predict you choose". Even if it were true, who is the "you" here? Is it the Mythical Moral Agent (MMA) herself? Or is it just another non moral entity you pass the buck to?

The problem with the system we have is that we all bought into Adam Smith's whopper about the Invisible Hand. No need for morality, it just takes care of itself like the Immaculate Conception.

It's a joke my friend

Until you realize that economists must incorporate ethics into their business, we will stumble from one crisis into another like the blind lady bumping into one thing or another as she aimlessly wanders through life.

The Financial Bailout and its Implications

Enough has been said already about greed, big salary and bonus payouts to senior executives of banks. The situation is where it is - precarious and needs to be addressed urgently. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has been running around for the last couple of weeks trying to avoid a 1929/30 style financial meltdown and all credit to him for his deft handling of the situation so far.

The current proposal before the Congress is to approve an emergency fund of $800 billion (with no apparent upper limit) to be managed by Treasury Department to buy toxic mortgages and exotic paper from banks for cash in order to provide liquidity to financial institutions. Despite the loud protests of Congress, almost everyone knows that this bill will pass and funds will be made available.

Congress may wish to place an upper limit, so this does not become an open ended commitment. Paulson himself suggested in the weekend talk show interviews that amount needed could exceed $1 trillion. This is almost equal to the amount spent on Iraq war to date. So wither plans of ending the war to save money to spend on social programs.

The Congress should also consider putting a mechanism in place that any bank benefiting from this fund will agree to freeze the salaries and bonuses of top 5% executives until such time as the treasury holds their toxic paper. Once the paper is sold, the restriction is lifted. Also, Congress should consider setting up a three member committee of reputable citizens with financial experience who will approve any bonus payments to top 5% executives of banks and financial institutions benefiting from this fund. This may seem draconian, but it is important to give a sense to tax payers that bankers will not start paying themselves huge bonuses until such time as their money is tied up in toxic assets.

The wider implications of the bailout are much greater. The national debt already ballooning out of control will exceed $11 trillion. No one knows how this will ever be paid down or how many decades it will take to bring it down to the level it was eight years ago. Treasury will probably end up printing more money and that could cause serious inflation, erosion in value of dollar and a possible shift from Dollar to Euro as the world currency. High inflation will result in high wage demands by unions, resulting in even greater inflation, mortgage foreclosures and credit card debt defaults.

I hope Paulson and Bernanke are considering all those eventualities and are ready to tackle what is to follow.

Hank Paulson claims housing and mortgage borrowers are the causes of the banking crisis. This is unmitigated gall, and unbelievably convoluted. I guess he would also conclude gravity causes all plane crashes, and the ocean is causing polar ice to melt. Blame must once again be shifted to the masses. We are supposed to believe this mess never would have happened if those stupid mortgage borrowers hadn't gone overboard and got the poor banks in trouble. The Fed creates unlimited money, discourages any regulation, condones lax enforcement of ANY rules, and then in typical fashion blames the victims of their largesse. The reality is Paulson, and everybody else currently in front of the TV cameras cannot remotely mention the D-word - derivatives- as the REAL issue.
A 900 billion dollar bailout will be somewhere around 5-10% of the ultimate final cost of the ongoing derivatives wipeout. This isn't going to be death by a thousand paper cuts; it's death by a thousand financial nuclear bombs. Derivatives are the Hadron Collider to the economy. Finance and credit will be blown to sub-atomic particles by the time this all plays out. Paulson and Bernanke are now exposed for what they are: ineffectual mouthpieces for a corrupt cabal. Even Dorothy and Toto figured this one out discovering the man behind the curtain was a phoney.

If I hear Paulson say one more time that he CARES about the American people and has their BEST interests in mind, I will SCREAM!

Welcome to the dog and pony show! If you turned on CNBC today that's what you got. Paulson, Bernanke, and Cox, are making their cases for what and why Congress needs to vote for the RTC bailout. Weren't we told for years that these derivatives would "spread the risk" "facilitate growth" etc.? Greenspan was adamant for years that derivatives were the best thing since sliced bread and needed no regulations or oversights at all, Congress went along for the ride. So here we are.

This cake has been mixed and in the oven for years now and what the American people are now expected to eat will kill them. The system has gone so far over the edge that no plan has any chance to reverse what has been already done. They are trying to fix a $1 Quadrillion problem with $700 Billion. Not possible. This amount represents less than 1/1000th of the problem. And for what? To reflate the system and make an even bigger problem?

This problem is so large that massive deflation is now a certainty for any asset class that has been borrowed against and massive inflation [debasement] of the Dollar is a certainty because they will try as hard as they can to catch up on the liquidity side. We are but minutes, days, or weeks away from being shut off from the global credit markets. Treasury will soon have a failed auction that sets the global panic in action. The capital required by the Treasury will choke the global credit markets until foreigners decide enough is enough. The proverbial gun is pointed at the head of virtually every central bank on the planet because they all use Dollars as their reserves. If your reserves implode, so does your currency. This will no doubt end in the bankruptcy of the Treasury and destruction of the Dollar. Going forward we will have a new currency issued and a Treasury that is hamstrung for years with a 3rd world credit rating.

These are strong words but true. The Treasury is mathematically bankrupt. The Fed has already publicly declared bankruptcy for those listening carefully last week. They spent through their balance sheet of $900 Billion in a years time, and now must borrow credits from Treasury.

All roads and bad assets/loans now lead to the Treasury. So far this hurricane has flattened everything in its financial path and the Treasury is now all that is left. I can't believe we are where we are, but since 1982 our government has tried to negate mother nature and disallow any and all cleansing recessions. '87, '91, '96, and 2001 were all years where recessions would have cleansed the system. They were all aborted early and unnaturally with an early reflation of more credit. Now mother nature will get her revenge and clean the system's clock but good. As it turns out, the tin foil hat society [Austrian economics] that had logic on their side while being derided and laughed at for years has been proven correct. They warned time after time that you can't borrow your way to prosperity. The masses have been sold down the river by our politicians and financial institutions.

Looking back at how it was done is painful because it was so easy. I say easy because they told us what we wanted to hear. We heard that we were the greatest nation on earth. True. We heard that we didn't need to make products anymore and that financial products were all we needed. False. We were told that because we were the greatest nation on earth, we no longer needed to work hard, we could coast, we could borrow, and borrow, and borrow. False. This falsehood will soon cost us our Treasury, it will cost us, our children, and our grandchildren, the standard of living that our past generations worked so hard for.

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My I wish you were my roommate so I could start every day in a suicidal mood.

I think you're overstating it just a tad.

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I think she is simply carrying the discussion through to the obvious conclusion. I have pretty well reached the same conclusion. The bright side is that this whole "crisis" may be faked just to help McCain keep the GOP in charge of dispensing tax money and borrowed money to the big corporations that run things for us. I think the jury is still out on that.

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I think MFMary has it about right. The eventual result will be The End of the World As We Know It, financially.

However, I'm not sure we're truly at the brink yet. And I suspect the real goal of the current proposal is to push the final, crushing panic into 2009.

So, in that respect, you are right, hoppy. The current "crisis" is being over-stated. But they really do need this bill to push out the real catastrophuk by 6 or 8 months.

Their aim is to pin it on the Democrats, who will then control both houses of Congress and the Presidency. The neo-con-men want to hang the Crash of 2009 around the Democrats' necks for the next 80 years. (And, as a bonus, they can finally destroy all those progressive FDR social safety net programs they despise.)

Cheers!

-- ARG

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Paulson and Bernanke = a tool and a bag man

How recently did Bush, McCain and other industry flunkies say 'The fundamentals of the economy are basically strong.'? Now we are at the point that the sky will start falling unless the taxpayers fork over $700,000,000,000? Why does this deal REALLY stink to me? It was ok as these predatory lenders used their gimmicks to squeeze every last cent they could out of the American consumer. But when their gimmicks went bad now they want their losses covered or else. That 'or else' is they will let it all go into the tank. If you don't protect the profits we very innovatingly scammed we will make sure everybody crashes and burns. There is no crisis. All it is about is none of the downtrodden and needy 'haves' don't become part of the masses of common man unwashed 'have-nots'. And all it will take to avoid the self made crisis to occur is $700,000,000,000 so they try a new bunch of money making gimmicks and scams. And they will get their money...so maybe that is the verification we need that the economy was indeed strong all along.