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What Wall Street Should Do To Get Its Blank Check

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The frame has been set, the die cast. Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson, presumably representing the Bush administration but indirectly representing Wall Street, and Fed Chief Ben Bernanke, want a blank check from Congress for $700 billion or possibly a trillion dollars or more to take bad debt off Wall Street's balance sheets. Never before in the history of American capitalism has so much been asked of so many for (at least in the first instance) so few.

Put yourself in the shoes of a member of Congress, including our two presidential candidates. The Treasury Secretary and Fed Chair have told you this is necessary to save the economy. If you don't agree, you risk a meltdown of the entire global financial system. Your own constituents' savings could go down with it. An election is six weeks away. Besides, in the last two days of trading, since rumors spread that the Treasury and the Fed were planning something of this sort, stock prices revived.

Now - quick -- what do you do? You have no choice but to say yes.

But you might also set some conditions on Wall Street.

The public doesn't like a blank check. They think this whole bailout idea is nuts. They see fat cats on Wall Street who have raked in zillions for years, now extorting in effect $2,000 to $5,000 from every American family to make up for their own nonfeasance, malfeasance, greed, and just plain stupidity. Wall Street's request for a blank check comes at the same time most of the public is worried about their jobs and declining wages, and having enough money to pay for gas and food and health insurance, meet their car payments and mortgage payments, and save for their retirement and childrens' college education. And so the public is asking: Why should Wall Street get bailed out by me when I'm getting screwed?

So if you are a member of Congress, you just might be in a position to demand from Wall Street certain conditions in return for the blank check.

My five nominees:

1. The government (i.e. taxpayers) gets an equity stake in every Wall Street financial company proportional to the amount of bad debt that company shoves onto the public. So when and if Wall Street shares rise, taxpayers are rewarded for accepting so much risk.

2. Wall Street executives and directors of Wall Street firms relinquish their current stock options and this year's other forms of compensation, and agree to future compensation linked to a rolling five-year average of firm profitability. Why should taxpayers feather their already amply-feathered nests?

3. All Wall Street executives immediately cease making campaign contributions to any candidate for public office in this election cycle or next, all Wall Street PACs be closed, and Wall Street lobbyists curtail their activities unless specifically asked for information by policymakers. Why should taxpayers finance Wall Street's outsized political power - especially when that power is being exercised to get favorable terms from taxpayers?

4. Wall Street firms agree to comply with new regulations over disclosure, capital requirements, conflicts of interest, and market manipulation. The regulations will emerge in ninety days from a bi-partisan working group, to be convened immediately. After all, inadequate regulation and lack of oversight got us into this mess.

5. Wall Street agrees to give bankruptcy judges the authority to modify the terms of primary mortgages, so homeowners have a fighting chance to keep their homes. Why should distressed homeowners lose their homes when Wall Streeters receive taxpayer money that helps them keep their fancy ones?

Wall Streeters may not like these conditions. Well, you should tell them that the public doesn't like the idea of bailing out Wall Street. So if Wall Street doesn't accept these conditions, it doesn't get the blank check.


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Please pass this along. You must email your senators and your congressman today. George Bush is trying to steal our money and our government. Do not let that happen. Read the following:

"Sec. 8 Review. Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the acts of this act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administratve agency."

They are trying to push this down the throats of Congress quickly...do you realize the implications?
The Treasury Sec acting for Bush will have sole authority over taxpayer's money without Congress or the courts to question. This defies our constitution. This is too important to fluff away. Here is the email addresses for your senators and congressman. Please write today.

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml

Here's what I said.

"Sec. 8 Review. Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the acts of this act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administratve
agency. "

I call upon my elected officials to stop this from becoming law. This power shall not be given to the Secretary of Treasury. We are watching you defend our constituion not throw away our rights.
If our democracy is to survive you cannot cave to this measure. The Congress can continue to work with the executive branch to save our financial system but you must work together not give one person this power. It is against everything we stand for. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. SAY NO TO SECTION 8.

Please send this to as many people as possible and tell them to send it to as many people as possible before it is too late.

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Now way, no how, no bailout.

I think this is a bad idea because it enables this $700 billion gift to Wall St. There is no need for a $700 billion bailout by the taxpayers. There are so many other options, but they are not favored because none of the others riches for the fools who got us into this mess. I came up with 3 better ideas in about 20 minutes.

1) Loan $50 or $100 or $200 billion to GE & Berkshire Hathaway for the sole purpose of buying debt worth less than $0.75 on the dollar. They are good for it, and better than that, they won't spend the money if the market doesn't warrant it.

2) Appoint 1/2 dozen hedge funds to compete for this toxic debt. They hedge funds would put up 10% of the capital and the feds can put up 90%. We'll even give the hedgies a 1% management fee. That way, there will be a strong incentive to pay a fair price for the securities instead of oerpaying as we are bound to do.

3) Tell the 20 biggest banks that the Fed is buying 20% of your company at Friday's closing close. We get a 20% stake, the banks get the cash we need, and we divest over time.

Yet, instead of that, we are proposing a system where only the taxpayer's money is on the line, where the taxpayers will no doubt overpay for the debt, where the taxpayers get nothing in return. Not on my watch.

Now way, no how, no bailout.

See post, link below - Obama says No Blank Check

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This is excellent, especially about closing the PACs. Wall Street should give up its political influence if it's going to beg politicians for a bail out.

But I'd add one more thing to it -- if the public is to take equity stakes in these companies, then the government should show up at shareholder meetings and vote our interests. We're more than mere stakeholders now. So the government should be able to push forward shareholder resolutions that would force the banks to run green oeprations, to invest in alternative energy, not to do deals with our enemies, not to advise on mergers that cost American jobs.

We're not here to save Wall Street, we're here to take over.

Your ideas are sterling, simply enacted, easily enforced and going no where. If anything has become abundantly clear in the last 14 years is representative governance is dead. We are governed for plutocrats and corporations, and although the plutocrats and corporations got us in this financial mess (through deregulation), those are the entities we are bailing out.

Yes.

Forwarded to my Congressman.

Also to my useless Senators (DeMint and Graham).

Ditto Boxer, Difink and Lungren

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NO BLANK CHECK!

That's a slogan that will work!

Call every Senator and Rep on Monday morning!

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Great idea. The push against Bush's Social Security plot was keyed around the drive to "Save Social Security". I think this is a slogan that can drive the point home on this atrocious new plot to screw the average American taxpayer.

I like Mr. Reich's ideas, but I think the one about closing the PACs is a non-starter. Not that I don't like it, but they'll all start screaming about their First Amendment rights. But, what the hell, I say we push for it anyway.

If only, Mr. Reich. If only.

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Reich nailed it. Here's the plan that the country, and Obama, need. Please help make this viral.

This issue is a litmus test for Obama and the Democrats. If the Democrats can't write their own plan like the above and put someone other than Paulsen in charge they might as well call themselves 'Loyal Bushies'.

The Bush/Paulsen plan is nothing less than a game of extortion on the American taxpayer.

As usual, good advice.
But you can forget it.
Steamroller will prevail.

I suggest everyone sends a form of this article to their congressperson. I just did. I referenced this article, but stated the points explicitly. Feel free to copy and paste:

Hi Senator Boxer,

The public doesn't like a blank check. You are in a position to demand from Wall Street certain conditions in return for the blank check. How about:

1. The government (i.e. taxpayers) gets an equity stake in every Wall Street financial company proportional to the amount of bad debt that company shoves onto the public. So when and if Wall Street shares rise, taxpayers are rewarded for accepting so much risk.

2. Wall Street executives and directors of Wall Street firms relinquish their current stock options and this year's other forms of compensation, and agree to future compensation linked to a rolling five-year average of firm profitability. Why should taxpayers feather their already amply-feathered nests?

3. All Wall Street executives immediately cease making campaign contributions to any candidate for public office in this election cycle or next, all Wall Street PACs be closed, and Wall Street lobbyists curtail their activities unless specifically asked for information by policymakers. Why should taxpayers finance Wall Street's outsized political power - especially when that power is being exercised to get favorable terms from taxpayers?

4. Wall Street firms agree to comply with new regulations over disclosure, capital requirements, conflicts of interest, and market manipulation. The regulations will emerge in ninety days from a bi-partisan working group, to be convened immediately. After all, inadequate regulation and lack of oversight got us into this mess.

5. Wall Street agrees to give bankruptcy judges the authority to modify the terms of primary mortgages, so homeowners have a fighting chance to keep their homes. Why should distressed homeowners lose their homes when Wall Streeters receive taxpayer money that helps them keep their fancy ones?

Thanks!

P.S. Ideas borrowed liberally from Robert Reich's column:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/21/what_wall_street_should_do_to/index.php

i stole your letter and sent it to Webb, Warner and Goodlatte
thanks

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I sent my own version to Salazar and Allard.

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They have been watching this happen for years and probably assumed it would happen after they left office. Surprise! This blank check request is nonsense. This is typical "sky is falling" deadline bullshit - often used in difficult negotiations. I don't believe for a minute that we cannot wait a few days for cooler heads to prevail and for the people who will be accountable for this decision to be more comfortable in making said decision. While I think the worldwide economic situation is approaching "dire" I also think Bush and Cheney view this as one last opportunity to once again raid the treasury for their cronies. I urge our lawmakers to take a reasonable amount of time to be comfortable in deciding to put the taxpayers on the hook for this sum.

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you're right, the bush administration exists to steal. even all the macho posturing, ostentatious piety and power-grabbbing are just to further the criminal enterprise. theft, that's all it's ever been. this is the cherry on top. will obama step up on this one?

Anytime Bush declares a need for quick 'emergency' legislation within 60 days of an election, you can be sure it is just another Republican political scheme to raid the Treasury and in this case buy enough quiet in the markets to get past Nov. 4th.

Without a doubt this move by Treasury, The Federal Reserve and our elected officials is going to be the largest transfer of wealth from the middle class to the richest 1% of the population who can well afford the hit considering the billions they have made in gaming the system for years.
When the politicians keep telling us that this must be done or the consequences would be even greater, they are using nothing other than scare tactics ( Schock Doctrine ) to get the American people to go along. There is another way out of this that won’t cost us a dime, but I’ll tell you why they won’t do it.
When our country was founded, the fonders very clearly stated in the Constitution that there was to be a US Tureasury with coin in both gold and silver. That held for nearly 170 years until in 1913 the Federal Reserve or central bank was created and we then went to a fiat system which we have today with trillions of paper dollars with nothing to back them floating around the world.
Presently Congress which controls weights and measures states that all of the US gold holdings are only worth $42.50 an ounce when the rest of the world says gold is worth $900 and ounce currently. All Congress would have to do is to re-value that gold to the current market price. The Federal Reserve has already used half of its reserves to bail out all of the banks that have failed to date, so why buy them out on the taxpayers back for 700 Billion? Because our wonderful politicians who have grown accustomed to sucking off the teet of the bakers can continue to keep all of us an endentured slaves to a system of continuous debt. Without the Federal Reserve which is nothing but a cartel of private banking concerns, the American people would no longer have to pay outrageous interest rates so that the bankers can get fatter on our hard work and sweat which is not what the founders envisioned. Cut off the head of the hydra known as the Federal Reserve and many of our current problems simply disappear.
The bailout in its current form doesn’t even allow Congress or a court of law to review the process and gives unlimtied power to one man. Paulson, who should have been kicked out of office along with Bernanke because they were well aware of this financial tsunami over a year ago and did nothing to stop it.
If any of you reading this have a free moment to contact your Congressmen and Senators, thell them that if we truely live in a society that is supposed to have free markets, then DON’T allow them to steamroll this through as the did the Patriot Act in the dark of night. Many in Congress never even read the bill.
Time is short everyone, but there is another way. Stop and think about it. Why is our gold only worth $42.50 an ounce when the rest of the world says it is worth far more. The revaluation of our gold, can buy out the Fed and send them back to hell where they belong. Jefferson knew this. The Republicans under Nixon closed the gold window in 1971, and since that time, the dollar has lost 95% of its value.
If you want to continue being a slave to the debt masters do nothing. If your in agreement, get on the phone, write a letter, send an e-mail or fax, but do it now as this proposal will be out of the house this week and then onto the Senate waiting for the signature of the ultimate crook in chief. George W. Bush.

"Without a doubt this move ... is going to be the largest transfer of wealth from the middle class to the richest 1% of the population who can well afford the hit considering the billions they have made in gaming the system for years."

It should be matched by a 90% plus tax on all earned income above $1 million per year and total confiscation of all bonus and stock-related income for top executives, with no golden parachutes.

Also no retirement benefits for executives and Directors greater than 200% of the median benefit to the employees of the firm.

If the bankers who caused the problems and their successors are going to get taxpayer money, then they should also fund as much of that lagniappe as can be extracted from them. That's what the IRS is going to do to the rest of us.

We taxpayers are the sheep the Wall Street bankers are fleecing. The bankers need to join us in our misery. No exceptions.

Question: How much of this bailout can Obama overturn after he takes office? Suppose Pelosi and the rest continue to act like scared little fraidy cats... Can Obama come back and strike some things from this Act, then recoup better terms for taxpayers? I mean, George Bush does this all the time for his evil deeds (torture signing statements, etc...), so why can't Obama do it for the forces of good?

Or will all of the $700billion ba debt fund already be used up before January 20th?

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i think jan 2009 is too late. obama has to leverage his leadership of the party to turn this into a Financial Accountability Act that McCain won't support due to its anti-foreclosure provisions. then mcCain can explain he would have supported it if it were a clean wall st. bailout.

benjoya hussein: Agreed; and I like the political jujitsu as you lay it out.

I was just hoping for an exit clause / backdoor way around the inevitable politization of this meltdown by the GOP (ie - Killers of Capitalism). Looks like there's no way around it. They will call us Tax & Spenders & Job Killers, and we must fight openly, aggressively, with the truth and righteousness on our side. Financial Accountability Act is a great name for it.

Jesus Christ the country's at stake here. And the timing couldn't be worse.

Is the timing bad?

This is done on the Republican watch. You can tell by the way the Republican Congresscritters are laying low and not saying anything especially inflammatory.

What happens if the Republican obstruct a bill seven weeks before the election? Everyone knows something has to be done.

What if this had happened next Spring and Obama were President?

I don't trust any living Republican, but the voting public is being made aware of the situation right before the election.

Richardxx: Timing is bad b/c this can and will be politicized in the slimiest and nastiest way possible precisely when we need serious and forward looking solutions. Obama could fix from the oval office on 1/21/09, but he can only push, suggest and work behind-the-scenes levers now and hope the GOP doesn't pervert this thing into something even worse than we know it's already going to be.

They have a way of taking a grave situation and making a boondoggle out of it (like, say, 9/11/2001.).

Ward

We're talking about conservatives here. EVERYTHING is always politicized in the nastiest most toxic way if they think it can be turned to their advantage.

In this case, the timing is worse for them than for civilized human beings. Everyone else is going to look at them and realize what low-life slime they are to prevent reaching a solution because they think they can hold everyone else up to ransom.

My dad once pointed out that there was a good reason why the nation did not trust the Republicans with control of the House of Representatives for four decades after 1954. It had to be a new and ignorant generation of voters to give Gingrich his win.

They're doing it again.

right.

this vote for offensive garbage now and maybe you can fix it later stuff is chickenshit nonsense.

real leaders stay out in front. fearlessly cutting through the scare tactics.

obama gave away my rights with the fisa revisions and retroactive immunity. for that i don't think i can bring myself to vote for him. if he gives away my money with this 'bailout'/giveaway boondoggle, i will actively campaign against him.

obama needs to get out in front against this and quick so that the rest of congress can follow his lead. that's what being president is about. and that's what being your party's nominee for president is about.

fkaZk0sm0: Let's be clear: I'm not suggesting capitulation, I was looking for a way Obama can sop up this mess if we don't get enough concessions (we have to get at least some concessions).

I want them to fight. Indeed, fighting and winning something/anything on the public's behalf is what we need for Obama to win.

But don't chicken$hit out of this fight if he only gets 3 out of 7 concessions. It is NOT OK to actively campaign against Barack and cry about your rights. GET IN THE FIGHT! HELP OBAMA WIN THIS THING!

BTW - he IS in front on this:

--Only national leader running for office who took Questions from the press in the heat of the crisis - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubBFIw6HedQ

--Responding to President By-Stander's Saturday Radio Address yesterday - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpWnYvBT84

As I read the proposed bill, everything that is done is at the discretion of the Secretary of the Treasury.

That means that the way the bill is written, anything can be changed by the next Secretary of the Treasury.

Mr. Reich: What about the idea that, since there appears to be urgency, instead of buying the bad debt, the fed services the bad debt on future favorable terms until reasonable deals can be worked out (or not)?

Also, what's wrong with bankruptcy? PG&E did it in California and has worked it out.

Finally, is Paulson the appropriate person for all of this? He has ties to Goldman Sachs and did nothing to head off this crisis despite years in his job. Should part of the bailout be the bipartisan naming of new head of the treasury?

I think more importantly, the securities have to be purchased for fair value, not an arbitrary amount above fair value.
I wouldn't trust Paulson to determine fair value. The Fed would be better at this than the Treasury. And maybe there should be an independent review panel made up of people like Volcker and Rubin.
Also, these securities should be purchased at auction to establish value.
When the banks stop offering the securities at fair value, the purchases should stop.
I don't see a problem in linking this to another stimulus package, say every American getting $1,000. Why would we wait, the government needs time to order checks?
If Congress is in doubt, the markets will be crazy on Monday. The Democrats need to be there with a good plan, forcing the Republicans to play obstructionists if they think there is some upside for them.

Volker and Rubin are part of the problem not the solution. What side do you think they will side on? Wall Street...of course.

Mr. Reich: What about the idea that, since there appears to be urgency, instead of buying the bad debt, the fed services the bad debt on future favorable terms until reasonable deals can be worked out (or not)?

Also, what's wrong with bankruptcy? PG&E did it in California and has worked it out.

Finally, is Paulson the appropriate person for all of this? He has ties to Goldman Sachs and did nothing to head off this crisis despite years in his job. Should part of the bailout be the bipartisan naming of new head of the treasury?

Mr. Reich: What about the idea that, since there appears to be urgency, instead of buying the bad debt, the fed services the bad debt on future favorable terms until reasonable deals can be worked out (or not)?

Also, what's wrong with bankruptcy? PG&E did it in California and has worked it out.

Finally, is Paulson the appropriate person for all of this? He has ties to Goldman Sachs and did nothing to head off this crisis despite years in his job. Should part of the bailout be the bipartisan naming of new head of the treasury?

It is unknown and is truly not relevant to me which business/political paradigm the management teams and BODs of the companies who are looking for a bail-out hold. They could be 'capitalist', 'corporatist', 'socialist', 'bolshevik', 'communist', 'greedy sob' or whatever. What they think is up to them. What is relevant is that they FAILED. Not only did they FAIL but their FAILURE is of monumental proportion. By their own admission they have FAILED to within days of a complete worldwide economic collapse.

So what do you do with folks that have FAILED so hugely and then come to the US Taxpayer (or more accurately, our "representatives" who, as we all know, have our best interest at heart). These mangement teams are big-time business types, they know exactly what to expect. When you have the other guy prostrate before you, you take them over and dictate terms. They have probably done it many times in their careers.

Here is what our representatives should do:

1. Immedicately fire the entire management teams of each bailed-out firms and the Boards of Directors and install new mangement and BODs.

2. Because the FAILURES are so massive and eggregious, the potential that there was illegal activity is very high so bring in an army of auditors to scour the books and records.

3. If any crimes are disclosed, especially ones that can be prosecuted under the RICO statutes, the entirely of any ill-gotten gains (which is everything they own) should be confiscated just like drug dealers. By comparison, no drug dealer ever brought the world to the brink of economic collapse, not even close.

4. To ensure that the suspects don't flee, their passports should be confiscated during the term of the audit/investigations.

5. No severance pay of any kind should be paid or accrued. Remember these admitted incompatents FAILED to point of days (hours) of destroying the world's economy.

6. Any and all future profits earned under the new management is to be paid to the US taxpayers until all funds plus accrued interest have been repaid, then an new IPO can be issued.

Acceptance of and rewarding of FAILURE should not be tolerated (that is the law of business). I cannot predict the future but will Paulson or any of our representatives do anything like this? Paulson is from Wall Street and will return there so bustin' his buddies is not likely and the Democrats in Congress have consistently shown a pitiful lack the substance.

Without a doubt this move by Treasury, The Federal Reserve and our elected officials is going to be the largest transfer of wealth from the middle class to the richest 1% of the population who can well afford the hit considering the billions they have made in gaming the system for years.
When the politicians keep telling us that this must be done or the consequences would be even greater, they are using nothing other than scare tactics ( Schock Doctrine ) to get the American people to go along. There is another way out of this that won’t cost us a dime, but I’ll tell you why they won’t do it.
When our country was founded, the fonders very clearly stated in the Constitution that there was to be a US Tureasury with coin in both gold and silver. That held for nearly 170 years until in 1913 the Federal Reserve or central bank was created and we then went to a fiat system which we have today with trillions of paper dollars with nothing to back them floating around the world.
Presently Congress which controls weights and measures states that all of the US gold holdings are only worth $42.50 an ounce when the rest of the world says gold is worth $900 and ounce currently. All Congress would have to do is to re-value that gold to the current market price. The Federal Reserve has already used half of its reserves to bail out all of the banks that have failed to date, so why buy them out on the taxpayers back for 700 Billion? Because our wonderful politicians who have grown accustomed to sucking off the teet of the bakers can continue to keep all of us an endentured slaves to a system of continuous debt. Without the Federal Reserve which is nothing but a cartel of private banking concerns, the American people would no longer have to pay outrageous interest rates so that the bankers can get fatter on our hard work and sweat which is not what the founders envisioned. Cut off the head of the hydra known as the Federal Reserve and many of our current problems simply disappear.
The bailout in its current form doesn’t even allow Congress or a court of law to review the process and gives unlimtied power to one man. Paulson, who should have been kicked out of office along with Bernanke because they were well aware of this financial tsunami over a year ago and did nothing to stop it.
If any of you reading this have a free moment to contact your Congressmen and Senators, thell them that if we truely live in a society that is supposed to have free markets, then DON’T allow them to steamroll this through as the did the Patriot Act in the dark of night. Many in Congress never even read the bill.
Time is short everyone, but there is another way. Stop and think about it. Why is our gold only worth $42.50 an ounce when the rest of the world says it is worth far more. The revaluation of our gold, can buy out the Fed and send them back to hell where they belong. Jefferson knew this. The Republicans under Nixon closed the gold window in 1971, and since that time, the dollar has lost 95% of its value.
If you want to continue being a slave to the debt masters do nothing. If your in agreement, get on the phone, write a letter, send an e-mail or fax, but do it now as this proposal will be out of the house this week and then onto the Senate waiting for the signature of the ultimate crook in chief. George W. Bush.

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When does this stop?

I mean, how many other corporations are now going to put a gun to the heads of all of us taxpayers ("we are too big to fail") and demand that they get their no-strings attached, guarantied bailout from Uncle Hank?

The big three were in Washington two weeks ago looking for 85 billion dollar bail out for the Auto Industry....we've only begun to pay. Say, whatever happened to that Trickle Down theory? How about Free Market Economics rising all boats?

Any bailout plan that does not have Wall Street screaming in pain, is not worthwhile.

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We're right now in the domain that the Republicans have become expert at - the sky is falling and you must give us the "Authorization to use unchecked force!" There's no time for debate. A mushroom cloud of tsunami proportions is bearing down on us with Category 100 force. Action must happen now.

"Hank" Paulson was all over the Sunday blab shows like Dick Cheney before the 2002 elections pushing "protecting America."

The simple sound bite response should be. "OK." But instead of Paulson we demand that Paul Krugman be the independent czar of America's treasury.

For the Republicans it's about the free reign ("unfettered" "flexibility") to complete the looting of the treasury, not protecting America.

If we must have a dictator why not pick the dictator on the chance that we're more likely to select a benevolent one than the jackals that manufactured this stink pile?

Speed is of the essence. America hangs in the balance. Why are Republicans blocking the saving of America?

Paulson to the American people: Just bendover and take your ass-raping like men, we'll be vacationing in the Hamptons.

Revolution is starting to sound like a better and better idea every day.

If Obama goes along with this, he may just lose my support forever...

Notice how the MSM is not raising this issue at all? They're complacent in what could be the greatest financial crime ever committed against the American public.

It might be time to take them all out and start over again.

Seriously, we should start considering revolution as an option.

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Now way, no how, no bailout.

I think this is a bad idea because it enables this $700 billion gift to Wall St. There is no need for a $700 billion bailout by the taxpayers. There are so many other options, but they are not favored because none of the others riches for the fools who got us into this mess. I came up with 3 better ideas in about 20 minutes.

1) Loan $50 or $100 or $200 billion to GE & Berkshire Hathaway for the sole purpose of buying debt worth less than $0.75 on the dollar. They are good for it, and better than that, they won't spend the money if the market doesn't warrant it.

2) Appoint 1/2 dozen hedge funds to compete for this toxic debt. They hedge funds would put up 10% of the capital and the feds can put up 90%. We'll even give the hedgies a 1% management fee. That way, there will be a strong incentive to pay a fair price for the securities instead of oerpaying as we are bound to do.

3) Tell the 20 biggest banks that the Fed is buying 20% of your company at Friday's closing close. We get a 20% stake, the banks get the cash we need, and we divest over time.

Yet, instead of that, we are proposing a system where only the taxpayer's money is on the line, where the taxpayers will no doubt overpay for the debt, where the taxpayers get nothing in return. Not on my watch.

Now way, no how, no bailout.

Reaganomics is in its last throes, and, right on schedule, here they are looking to get a handout right before they retire overseas.

Republicans hate America.

Republicans killed Capitalism.

Republicans ruin everything they touch.

Rockin', Robert. It's the politics that's really ugly here. No time to breathe for Congress & the candidates. "Give us what we want, NOW, or... we'll hold our breath."Meaning - markets need US financial players to pump, and if you don't give us the cash, as & when we want.... we don't pump & the system seizes. If Obama/Dems do anything to slow this, and the system crashes... they're to blame. But if they go ALONG, well... we got $700 Billion. What leverage is there for "conditions" in this circumstance? Not much.

Maybe we'll have more after November? Problem. The system will still be reeling, or at best, sludgy, come November. Worse, the slow bleed out of millions of American families will be months more advanced. Unemployment up, fuel prices still draining pockets... AND the Govt in worse fiscal straits... AND the financial industry will have the SAME power to seize the system up in November.

This is not pretty. This is not their first trip to the well. And NO way will it be their last.

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Let me state, again, that I am blood-boiling angry about this whole situation. The thing that makes me even more angry is the fact that none of these perfectly reasonable suggestions, no help for homeowners who got screwed by brokers (and yes, that's what happened), no regulations to protect taxpayers, no limits on Treasury's authority, no judicial review of their actions, none of any of this is going to happen. They're going to get their check, and we're all going to bend over.

Reece: Except Obama knows that in order to win the election, he can't lead this party into the typical "Bentover Democrat Stance". This is the only reason why we lost in 2000 & 2004. Wimpiness.

He will have to assemble a 10-12 person team of serious leaders who will support him through thick & thin if the GOP wants to sieze the system simply to win in November.

NEEDED: Bloomberg, Clinton, Volcker, Rubin, Reich, Beuffett, Gates (with or without Seinfeld now that they're BFF's...), 12 other brainiac economists...

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It didn't stop FISA.

You were a hell of a hitter, Wade.

But this right here - the global meltdown of capitalism - is the entire game. That's it. This is the election. (FISA, no matter how many pages were written here on TPM, was a bit player in this election season.)

PS - Thank you for recognizing my awesome hitting abilities. I also have a wicked awesome mustache, and I love chicken & philandering. Also fishing & hairplugs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvPTxfCIbnQ

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We'll see. Obama's put a lot on the line. (see video below) Now he has to deliver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZH_19Oa5gg

Reece: Thanks for this. Saw some of this earlier. Someone fainted in the front row. He called the EMT's. Then said everyone needs a sdrink of water. He said it's hot. Then: "In fact, I'm hot! Hot under the collar over this melt down and we're gonna fix it!"

I LOVE THE FIGHTING POPULIST OBAMA!

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Happy to help. You must have a lot of free time these days, Wade, seeing as how your posts make up more than 10% of the thread.

Reece: It's Sunday. I'm doing taxes for our family business. I have not been laid off from my day job, thankfully. I am worried about the state of our country and our economy. I don't like GOP instigated Depressions.

Peace - Go canvass! (I'll be doing that more in the coming weekends...)

Oh, whoops. I forgot. I'm Wade Boggs the Hall of Famer. I have a lot of free time these days since I'm retired. I BBQ a lot. Also I blog.

God Bless America (we really need it).

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Cross-posted from my blog. While Robert Reich's suggestions are admirable (especially suggestion number 1, which creates the possibility that taxpayers may actually receive a return on their absurdly risky investment), I suggest we hestitate before we accept this deal as necessary. Paulson's proposed bill creates a whole new economic system where the Secretary of the Treasury has unprecendented power, where investment losses (but not profits) are socialized, and where the government has extensive new powers to manage the investment industry. We need to ask is this system really good for our country and are we doing something we will regret for years to come simply because we have become too soft to suffer any economic loss?

Losing Faith in Our Markets--and Our Democracy

As I read Paulson's proposed bill to authorize his bailout of the financial industry, I am struck not so much by the loss of faith in free markets (though that is stunning enough), but by the loss of faith in democracy. Paulson is calling for almost absolute executive power with no oversight by congress, courts, or administrative entities. This is the power of a king. Essentially, Paulsen is telling us not only that markets don't work but that, in a crisis like this, democracy doesn't work either. What is needed is an all-powerful, unchecked executive who can make decisions without oversight and without any need for approval from anyone other than himself. Does this sound familiar? These are exactly the sorts of powers Bush claimed for himself during times of war. Now those same absolute powers are being demanded in times of economic crisis. The Paulson bill is, in this way, much like the Iraq resolution--a blank check for executive power. Increasingly we need to ask the question: Is fear--whether of terrorist attack or of economic hardship--causing Americans to sacrifice their liberty and their democracy for a fleeting sense of security? Have we become cowards who, in sacrificing our precious liberty for security, now deserve neither?

I've copied and pasted the key points, together with a link to this article, to both Senators Boxer and Feinstein as well as to Pete Stark and to the general Speaker of the House email at AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov.

I can only hope that our current Democratic majority does not allow itself to be steamrollered into a blank check for Wall Street with no conditional provisions to prevent a recurrence.

ditto to Webb, Warner and Goodlatte

As the chosen leader of the party doesn’t Obama have a responsibility to lead Democratic members of Congress during this crisis? How about his stated willingness to reach across the aisle? I applaud his refusal to publicly challenge Paulson’s role—but his lack of personal involvement in working out this deal is profoundly disturbing. I have a high respect for Frank, Schumer, Dodd, Shelby, etc., but we have leaders of the nation for a reason—someone at the very least needs to coordinate the response to situations.

Are we going to elect a President who will not lead his own party much less the nation? Perhaps, unlike Bush and McCain, he does have the ability to comprehend issues and choose capable advisers, but does not believe that it is his role to take charge. I beg to differ.

groove: You missed some key moments in the last few days. He is leading this thing, and we're going to win... He can't run around all wild-eyed like McCain threatening to fire everyone...

--Only national leader running for office who took Questions from the press in the heat of the crisis - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubBFIw6HedQ

--Responding to President By-Stander's Saturday Radio Address yesterday - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpWnYvBT84

PS - A good one liner if McCain wants to fire people during the debates:

McCain: "I would have fired the SEC's Mr. Cox!"

OBAMA: "Haven't you gotten enough people fired in the last 8 years?"

Thanks for your response to me. I looked at those links and checked out Obama's statement today:

http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/09/barack-obama-pr.html

It is not the "key moments" that I am concerned about--not the public statements, although they help to put pressure on folks.

It is the behind the scenes leadership of the mainly Democratic Congressional members that I am not yet seeing any sign of, but I have too hope that it is happening. A leader doesn't just issue statements.

groove: I'm hearing you. That outline is a good start. Now we need a whip to keep usually wimpy Democrtats in line and puffed up so they can stand up the GOP with these talking points. If ever there was a time to fight, this is it.

They have to. They will. Obama will claim some victory coming out of this (even if it's one out of 7 points), then ride it to a win in November.

Keep on groovin' dude!! We're gonna win this thing! (This is dizzying... The future of the country/capitalism depends on it... Wow.)

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Yes, Groove, I think he does. Obama can and should call for Democrats to block the bailout bill if it doesn't contain a whole lot of guarantees, including direct relieg for the average homeowner and strong additional medicine such as that Sec. Reich recommends above. If he fails to do so then he is avoiding his responsibility as leader of the Democratic Party.

I just copied the five points into e-mails to my legislators. Thanks.

"We demand a bail out financed by taxpayer money or we'll commit suicide!" That's the Wall Street bankers version of the Republican "Drill here. Drill now."

A few modest predictions

The Republicans already have such a toxic reputation that they will have no hesitation to obstruct passage of any bill that includes regulations on Wall Street or any of Bob Reich's proposals. They can't hurt their reputation any more, but they can lose power.

The Democrats, trying to pass as the rational governing party, will cave in order to get any bill passed. Count on it.

It's also going to happen late on the last day before adjournment for the Fall campaign season.

Next year the Blue Dog Democrats are going to be a very powerful bloc of votes. Progressives are going to have a long hard row to hoe.

Whatever happens to the Paulson bail out bill, it is not going to solve the problems. The problems are being at best patched, and by the looks of it, I don't count on the patches to work. Throwing money at a problem that isn't understood rarely does.

Besides - who can trust a Republican?

The ruling class is trying to scare the herd to runoff a cliff. As Obama says, "Just slow down a moment...". No blank check! No blank check!....

I would vote no bail out before I vote a blank check. The Fat Cats have a lot further to fall then the rest of us. The Corporatists have been bleeding us since Reagan seized power. Time to trickle up on them with some pain.

The ruling class is trying to scare the herd to runoff a cliff.

It's the same as when Bush scared Congress into backing him on Iraq, and then scared them into supporting the Patriot Act and going along with torture and warrantless wiretaps. It's the same craven duplicity, born of political corruption, mascaraing as patriotism.

They will rue the day a failed president and a Wall Street errand boy from Goldman Sachs scared them into giving Wall Street the keys to the US Treasury. I always knew that Wall Street had hijacked the government, but I never thought I'd live to see the day that a Democratic Congress voted to turn over the pink slip. Truly sickening.

Well, here's a letter I just sent to my Senator, which I hope puts it all in more personal terms:

Senator Webb,

"WHY"

I've never heard so much disappointment expressed in that one-word question as I did this summer.

I heard that disappointment in the voice of my son as I explained that we were going to have to cancel the vacation we had been looking forward to all year. It wasn't anything extravagant, just a few days in the mountains of North Carolina.

Of course, I told him the truth - we just didn't have the money. I felt terrible.

Now, we're being asked to pony up between two and five thousand dollars to bail out Wall Street firms who made millions while constructing a financial house of cards they they knew, or should have know, was bound to collapse under its own weight sooner or later. And now they want US to bail THEM out?

I'm sorry Senator, I'll have to tell you the same thing I told my son - we just don't have the money.

Wow, bravo...citizens!

Thanks to Robert Reich for empowering the peeples. One question, do your proposals have a snowball, or a snowflakes chance in hell?

We peeps can push, but I hope you'll use your influence for good here. Get on the phone.

Thanks.

And Robert, get that purty mug of yours in front of as many cameras as you can gather!

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Obama has apparently just come out against the Paulson plan. NO BLANK CHECK!

http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/21/obama-draws-a-line-in-the-sand-no-paulson-deal/

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I'm in the process of FAXing this to my Congresswoman and Senators. I think we all should do this. Mr. Reich has far more credibility than any of us, and certainly more than any member of the Bush administration. We definitely need to make sure our representatives know how strongly we feel about this.

You know, I think the Treasury Secretary should get the authority. But only if his name is Robert Rubin.

Seriously, how about a permanent ban from the securities industry AND from snr positions in public companies, for any officer or board member of a company that takes money from this bailout. Main reason would be to reduce future moral hazard

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Robert Rubin -- past Co-Chairman of Goldman Sachs and principal lobbyist in the Clinton Administration for the adoption of Gramm-Leach-Bliley -- resigns and within days of G-L-B being signed joins Citigroup, a main beneficiary of G-L-B (Travelers and Citibank), now, current Chairman of Executive Committee of Citigroup.

As Enron was going down the tubes used his past relationship with the Treasury Department to attempt to get special favor for Enron, a major Citigroup client.

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Good, Ellen. I don't believe "I was the problem, I am the solution types" will work for the American people. Those are the Rubin types. What a great position for them to be in.

Without a doubt this move by Treasury, The Federal Reserve and our elected officials is going to be the largest transfer of wealth from the middle class to the richest 1% of the population

That's the bottom line here. Wall Street is like a voracious, greedy parasite that bleeds and ultimately kills its host - the American economy. To the extent that this little scheme works, it will only succeed in widening the gap between rich and poor and setting the country up for a much deeper depression.

The real problem isn't the so-called 'sub-prime real estate disaster.' The problem is that millions of American households can no longer afford to buy their own homes. That's why wall street invented the sub-prime scam - to line their own pockets and maintain the illusion that everything was OK. All this latest scheme does is exacerbate the central problem by by transferring even more wealth to the wealthiest through the government.

The parasites on Wall Street wanted to gobble up Social Security, but this will work for them even better. And the most likely outcome for average Americans will be crippling inflation and a dramatically lower standard of living when the dollar crashes.

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Correction: Wall Street isn't "like" a greedy parasite. It IS a greedy parasite. And, IMHO, like all parasites it should be done away with.

Why is this so urgent? I don't mean to be flippant but I sense, rightly or wrongly, that the urgency is really that the election is coming up and the dems might win so this is a way to tie the hands of the next administration. If this is so important, we shouldn't be rushed into making possibly imprudent and rash decisions that may come back to haunt us. Wasn't there also an urgency in the Iraq resolution? Look where that got us. Had cooler heads prevailed, we may not still be entangled in a mess to this day. If it's this important, it deserves careful and deliberate consideration, not a rush to judgement.

In addition to liberally plagiarizing some of the great arguments already posted, I'm sending all of my representatives some prepared soundbites:

1. Wall Street lobbyists are attempting to shove a sucker deal down the throats of American taxpayers.

2. This deal as currently structured requires these firms to do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but cash the government checks.

3. This deal as currently structured will do nothing to slow or reduce foreclosures for average Americans, or increase retail or commercial lending.

4. None of these financial firms would ever let THEIR clients agree to deal like this or sign it themselves. Why should the American people agree to it?

5. If you want bail out money with no strings attached, go ask your mommy or daddy. Don’t come to the American taxpayer.

6. If this bill passes as currently written, absolutely nothing will stop the Wall Street firms from doing it again. Nothing.

7. Our children and THEIR children will be paying for this deal. We owe it to them to negotiate the best terms possible.

Thank you Mr. Reich, for your insight.

I’d be the first to state I don’t fully understand the financial markets, so I may be off based.

What happens if we don’t agree to be blackmailed by the BIG moneyed interests?

When the bottom drops out, those that has money on the sidelines, waiting to pick from the carcasses, will buy up the assets for dirt-cheap. So it is not in their interest to save the market

With no pressure on them, because they’ll reap the benefits of a collapsed market anyway, they cop an attitude let the economy falter, or if you want to bail out the markets we’ll let you, BUT no new safeguards, we want to continue as we have.

I would like to be in a position of being in the drivers seat, not sold out by an Administration, who would sell our assets to further it’s own interests such as the DUBAI port deal.

How do we break our dependence on them?

What would happen if the American people demanded, NO Bailout costing Billions, instead telling the government, to spend the billions, that they were going to create for the bailout, instead putting our resources, treasure, on safety net issues, healthcare for the unemployed, unemployment insurance.

Because of the free market attitude of some of these capitalist, send the message,

They RISK, killing the goose that laid their Golden egg.

If after closer scrutiny, we find that aspects of Democratic Socialism would not have had, such a heavy cost, as we find ourselves dealing with now. Maybe it’s time to reevaluate, WHY one form over another.

What was the promise, that prevented us from achieving a collective attitude, towards what form of Government WE THE PEOPLE, want or what form actually answers our most foundational needs, such as Healthcare, unemployment security, full employment.

Costs? It is apparent both ideas would cost me, and what do I have to show for my sacrifice to one form over the other ideology?

I am now being called upon to bail out the one who promised grandiose plans, but has continually failed to deliver.



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BTW...This training for Palin to be a viable VP candidate is too little too late. Meeting with Kissinger to be taught how to deal with the UN and world leaders...give me a break.

Wall street handed out billions in bonuses and compensation over the last few years. Just like with the IRS when cheating on taxes and not reporting income...all properties and holdings of those managing their companies should be confiscated. Bail out means take over and regulation to stabilize and reclaim profits. These folks should consider themselves lucky to still have jobs. This is an economic stimulus package opportunity. Rather than taking from the tax payer the government should be adding to the taxpayer.

Check out William Grieder's take at this link, Wall Street Licking Its Chops at Bush Team Giveaway
excerpt:

Financial-market wise guys, who had been seized with fear, are suddenly drunk with hope. They are rallying explosively because they think they have successfully stampeded Washington into accepting the Wall Street Journal solution to the crisis: Dump it all on the taxpayers. That is the meaning of the massive bailout Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has shopped around Congress. It would relieve the major banks and investment firms of their mountainous rotten assets and make the public swallow their losses -- many hundreds of billions, maybe much more. What's not to like if you are a financial titan threatened with extinction?
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This from Obama today:

"We must work quickly in a bipartisan fashion to resolve this crisis to avert an even broader economic catastrophe. But Washington also has to recognize that economic recovery requires that we act, not just to address the crisis on Wall Street, but also the crisis on Main Street and around kitchen tables across America.

As of now, the Bush Administration has only offered a concept with a staggering price tag, not a plan. Even if the U.S. Treasury recovers some or most of its investment over time, this initial outlay of up to $700 billion is sobering. And in return for their support, the American people must be assured that the deal reflects the basic principles of transparency, fairness, and reform.

First, there must be no blank check when American taxpayers are on the hook for this much money.

Second, taxpayers shouldn’t be spending a dime to reward CEOs on Wall Street.

Third, taxpayers should be protected and should be able to recoup this investment.

Fourth, this plan has to help homeowners stay in their homes.

Fifth, this is a global crisis, and the United States must insist that other nations join us in helping secure the financial markets.

Sixth, we need to start putting in place the rules of the road I’ve been calling for for years to prevent this from ever happening again.

And finally, this plan can’t just be a plan for Wall Street, it has to be a plan for Main Street. We have to come together, as Democrats and Republicans, to pass a stimulus plan that will put money in the pockets of working families, save jobs, and prevent painful budget cuts and tax hikes in our states."

CREDO Mobile is getting its customers and activism members to hit up Congressional leadership in support of Reich's five conditions.

http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/no_blank_check/

We're targeting Speaker Nancy Pelosi, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, House Finance Chair Barney Frank, Senate Banking Chair Chris Dodd, and the de facto leaders of the two parties: Senators Barack Obama and John McCain.

We'll start with a petition today, and then follow up tomorrow generating phone calls to congress.

Amen Robert!!!!!!!

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My letter to my Senators and Representative today:

Dear ________

I hope you will vote against the irresponsible bailout bill proposed by Mr. Paulson. While some action may be needed to stabalize the markets, this bill is unacceptable for several reasons:

1. Taxpayers are being stuck with vast private-sector losses, but there is no mechanism in place to ensure that taxpayers will share in any private-sector profits that materialize as a result of this taxpayer-funded bailout. If we taxpayers are to bail out the financial industry, we must ensure that we have a chance of receiving a return commensurate with the great finacial risk we are taking on.

2. The bill gives far too much unilateral power to the unelected Secretary of the Treasury. There are no checks or balances and no effective oversight of Paulson's actions from congress, the administration, or the courts. The bill throws out the normal principles of our constitution and our democracy and essentially gives the unelected Secretary Paulson the power of a king when it comes to bailing out the financial industry.

3. The bill places no clear obligations on the institutions that receive taxpayer funds. There is no way to ensure that the taxpayers' money is managed responsibly or that the abuses that caused the crisis are not repeated or that new abuses are prevented or, if not prevented, severely punished.

4. The bill gives the government unprecedented presence in what has hitherto been a private financial industry. Essentially, we are socializing corporate losses while leaving corporate profits in private hands. This is a remarkable and remarkably unbalanced change to the capitalist system that has heretofore been praised as a bulwark of the American economy. To change this system so dramatically and so suddenly, with so little debate and with such high risk to the American taxpayer, is grossly irresponsible.

For all these reasons, I hope you will work to change the bill to add sufficient protections and oversight or to reject the bill altogether.

Thanks for your action on this important matter.

Sincerely,

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Nothing like a guy surrendering before the battle's joined.

No wonder Reich lost out to Rubin.

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Congress stopped listening to us a long time ago. They will do whatever their lobbyists financiers tell them to do. AT&T got their immunity and financed the DNC. Wall street will get their deal and compensate congress abundantly. The revolution that was about to occur in 1932 has been delayed for 75yrs.. This "Shock" was planned an is being used to get legislation passed that never would have been agreed to without being used as the means of dealing with this shock...The privatization of Social Security...getting rid of all social programs like SCHIP. Only the ems in congress can stop it by standing up to this take over...but they have shown they have no spine...so armed revolution will be all that is left to combat this fascist take over. Next we'll be hearing, "The Nazis weren't so bad...they unified a country and brought the people out of economic disaster". The people already on SS....well the treasury just can't handle the payments any longer...Paulson's plan must be defeated. Confiscate what these wall street elite profiteered while destroying our economy. How many houses do you own now McCain? People, this is it;...what Jeb Bush and his "royal economists" tried to accomplish with a coup in the thirties...Congress must refuse...not just place conditions on the check. Where do you think all the money went in the first place?

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Do we have one financial expert with any horsepower on our side?

Reich's a lawyer. Baker's turned into a blogger. Morgenstern's a reporter, and excepting some petulance I can't figure out where she stands.

Aren't there any liberal economists that Congress could call on?

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Robert:

There is an old saying in the entrepreneurial and equity game: Got to have skin in the game. When I was raising capital for a venture that was the big question the investors wanted to know. I think also that each of the directors, exec's of any firm that is receiving $$ put up their all their homes (including primary houses) as collateral.

That plus their options and their PAC's, influence and retirement plans....They want to come out whole and so should the US taxpayer.

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Yes, let's get those greedy fat cats. Line'em up against the wall!

If you all want your justice, then you can pay for it. I run a small business and will suffer mightily if the economy goes into a major recession. I don't care if the bankers never pay a dime as long as I don't lose all my clients and consequently, my means of living. And if you think that making today's bankers suffer will stop tomorrow's bankers from being greedy, then you've forgotten your history, which clearly demonstrates that no one else remembers their history either, especially not greedy bankers. That's why we've had exploding market bubbles every 10-20 years since at least the 1800's. Everyone always thinks it's different this time.

I'm all for practical regulation that will protect us from future crashes (#4) and limit the long-term cost to the taxpayers (#1). If Congress can leverage the current situation to do so, it certainly should. But I don't think that I and millions of Americans should suffer for the righteous demands for justice (#2) that ring from blog to shining blog.

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No thoughtful commenter on this board cares about the bankers one way or another.

The outrage being expressed is based on the fact that the Congress appears to be ready to abrogate its Constitutional authority -- as it did on September 18, 2001 (AUMF), October 21,2001 (Patriot Act) and October 11, 2002 (Iraq Resolution).

We've turned the war powers over to the Executive; the Fouth, Fifth and Sixth Amendments over to the Executive; and now, we're about to turn the power of the purse over to the Executive.

If you were able to show that the country would enter into a depression if this bailout proposal were not enacted in the next five days, I'd listen to you.

Otherwise ---

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No thoughtful commenter on this board cares about the bankers one way or another.

"Thoughtful" is the operative word. But I assume that Reich at least counts as thoughtful, and his point #2 smacks of seeking justice. I see that Josh makes a similar point on the home page: But any sort of narrow focus on executive compensation strikes me as a load of crap. And if Josh says it, it must be right.

As I indicated, I'm all for using the opportunity to make practical structural changes if possible. Five days, no problem. But this is Congress we're talking about.

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I'm not big on placing arbitrary limits on executives' pay, but I have no problem with linking the compensation of the top executives of any company that accepts taxpayer money to the returns produced for the taxpayers. The investors (and in the case of a bailout, the investors would be the taxpayers) have a right to demand that executive compensation is proportional to the results generated for the investors.

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I'd also add that I have nothing against taxing large incomes at high rates, something that might help fund this bailout of the wealthy.

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I don't have a problem reducing executive pay either, though I think it's difficult to implement without loopholes. But it's just not the biggest tamale that we need to worry about frying right now.

enghis- Nothing Bush does is going to do anything for you or any middle class Americans, if you haven't figured that out you must have been asleep the last 8 years.

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Bush? What? Last thing I remember, there was a lame duck president and the stock market was crashing after the bubble imploded. Man, I must have been asleep for eight years.

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I'm for making the greedy pay. Like most business owners you are concerned about yourself and to hell with everything else. Charming quality I must say. But the fact is, we all are going to suffer no matter what. It is important that the scum that created this mess suffer more than the rest of us who are being asked to pay for it.

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Yes, oleeb. I'm a selfish bastard. All I want is money, money, money. You know nothing about me, so stop talking out of your ass. I'm a freelancer, and it's tight enough in the good times. I'm not talking about cutting into my bottom line. I'm talking about going into personal debt and losing my apartment if we spin into an extend recession so that I can't get work. And if it happens to me, millions of other people who have less money than I do will be in even worse shape. So please excuse me, but you can shove your righteous justice up your ass.

☠enghis - You're not a selfish bastard dude. We love you man! Hell, you're one of the best in the blogging biz.

But this is the Bush Administration. They're playing the fear card to destroy this country once and for all. We have to get something/anything in return.

☠enghis: I think we're at rock bottom here, where we're all literally fighting for nothing less than to restore "The Full Faith and Credit of the US Government."

Without that, all of our businesses are worthless.

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Wade, no disrespect, do you really know rock bottom? We sit here in our privileged places bitching in moaning about how awful our government is and how greedy wall street is, but when was the last time we had a real recession? Unemployment rates over 10%? Welfare roles exploding. Violence rates rising? Some people around here seem to be almost gleeful that the bankers are getting their due and McCain is struggling with his economic message in the face of potential catastrophe. But it really is a potential catastrophe. And the most important thing we can do right at this moment is do everything in our power to avoid that catastrophe. After that, we need to do everything in our power to avoid coming to the brink of catastrophe again.

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Wade, no disrespect, do you really know rock bottom? We sit here in our privileged places bitching in moaning about how awful our government is and how greedy wall street is, but when was the last time we had a real recession? Unemployment rates over 10%? Welfare roles exploding. Violence rates rising? Some people around here seem to be almost gleeful that the bankers are getting their due and McCain is struggling with his economic message in the face of potential catastrophe. But it really is a potential catastrophe. And the most important thing we can do right at this moment is do everything in our power to avoid that catastrophe. After that, we need to do everything in our power to avoid coming to the brink of catastrophe again.

My family went bankrupt twice b/c of predatory lending (and their own stupidity, of course). So, yeah, I know rock bottom.

The numbers are in ☠enghis, and they point towards doom. Peter G. Peterson (www.pgpf.org) says we're at rock bottom, and I believe him.

Yes, we're trying to avoid catastrophe. We're also trying to avoid a total fleece, and prevent this from happening again.

Ya never walk away from any negotiation WITHOUT ANYTHING in return. Democrats need to win concessions. If they don't claim at least one victory, we'll lose the election b/c we look weak, weak, weak, once again.

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I'd love for this to be the bottom b/c then we've got nowhere to go but up, right? But while it may be the bottom of where we go, it's definitely not the bottom of where we could go. Compare 1980 to today in this table:
http://www.miseryindex.us/customindexbyyear.asp?StartYear=1977&EndYear=2007

PS Thanks for the compliment above.

Good points. But to me, the numbers say misery is imminent once the debts come due. But, then, I hate debt in 90% of it's forms (household, local and national; I accept some small %'age of corporate debt for growth purposes, although the Google and Microsoft and others (CostCo?) do not have debt).

PS - Anytime!

PPS - Looks like the Democrats are winning concessions, so things are looking up. If the Democrats look like the strong horse, the voters will come.

PPPS - Listening to Maddow and Krugman talk I nearly shriveled up and died in fear. "In the long run it'll work out, but in the long run, we're all dead." --Keynes

http://www.videosift.com/video/Rachel-Maddow-Paul-KrugmanEconomy-x-McCainBaaaaad

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Paulson Urges Swift Approval of Bailout Legislation
Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. today defended the escalating price tag of his plan to rescue the financial markets, saying it is unlikely that taxpayers will end up paying the full $700 billion the Bush administration is requesting to buy the troubled mortgage assets of crippled financial...
- By Zachary A. Goldfarb

So... here's how I understand this very high- risk -low- details- buy- out that we have to accept as it is right away or things will be even worse and we'll lose more: we take these notes that were made as high-risk-low-details loans that aspiring homeowners had to accept as they were right away or the terms would get even worse and they'd lose everything, and...knowing this...we buy them again from many of the same folks that sold the original loans under terms that people had to buy them right away as they were or they'd lose everything...and without any further guarantees, many of us even knowing deep in our hearts that we're getting savagely screwed, we buy that worthless paper back and hope for the best...remembering that we have no time and we have to do it right away or things will get even worse. have i got it?

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Elbajoeste, you now qualify as an expert on the bailout. That is the best summary I have seen, even better than Paulson's 3 page explanation.

Obama - No Blank Check on Bailout

Obama:

“First, there must be no blank check when American taxpayers are on the hook for this much money,” Mr. Obama told supporters at an outdoor rally in downtown Charlotte. “Second, taxpayers shouldn’t be spending a dime to reward C.E.O.s on Wall Street while they’re going out the door.”

Here is how they will do the distribution.

Anyone want to pony up to send Dick Cheney and Hank on a little scatter gun quail hunt?

I particularly like Hank's plan to use US taxpayer money to bail out foreign banks, as if America will cease to exist with only its own banks.

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Secretary Reich,

I like all your suggestions, but how come it doesn't include offering low-interest mortgages directly to Americans who need to be able to pay their mortgages in order to keep the whole system going? After all, we will be taking on staggering debt as taxpayers in order to keep the crooks in business. After all, had we bailed out mortgage holders earlier with low-interest mortgages, we wouldn't have to be doing this.

Again, I like your recommendations, but they don't seem to be enough given the staggering amount of money we are being asked to supply these irresponsible swindlers. Why is no one, including you Mr. Secretary, talking about helping our people?

If foreign investments dry up, can the Federal Government avoid bankruptcy, as China or other countries consider investments here to risky.

Will we have to default on our obligations?

Bush financed his war on borrowed money, he gave tax cuts on borrowed money, and now we have to step in an save him and his party from bankrupt logic.

Anyone notice the 'Bush04' trolls like SFCWallace and shooter242 seem to be awfully quiet on the no strings or oversight Bush bailout plan for Wall Street, and now even foreign banks, the final gift of Bush and his incompetent cronies to this and future generations of taxpayers.

r.e.: They will call us Tax & Spenders & Job Killers, and we must fight openly, aggressively, with the truth and righteousness on our side.

I've always liked my husband's rejoinder to "tax and spend" which is to say that the repugnican policy appears to be "borrow and spend" (at least tax and spend is a pay-as-you-go policy . . .)

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I agree. Part of the problem is that people doing business with our goverment don't care if their profits come from taxpayer money or money borrowed from China, etc. It spends the same the same way.

LaRouche Says 'No Bailout--Send These Crooks To Jail'


September 20, 2008 (LPAC)--Lyndon LaRouche responded today to the proposed bailout legislation from Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, by issuing a firm "no." "No bailout can be permitted," LaRouche declared. "Freeze all the speculative paper, for purposes of auditing. If you go with any kind of bailout, you lose control over the situation." LaRouche explained, "Congress has got to get ruthless with these swindlers. I am afraid too many members of Congress are owned, outright by the likes of George Soros and Felix Rohatyn. I don't think Congress, collectively, has the guts to act on behalf of the American people."

LaRouche demanded that Congress has to "scare the Hell out of these characters. They have been looting the American people blind for the past thirty years or more. They have sent people off to jail, because they dared to get in the way of their thievery. Now it is time to turn the tables. This is not the time to make nice deals. This is not the time to be reasonable.

"The nation is being screwed. These guys don't have anything coming to them. Poor people have been denied health care because of these swine. Let's start frog marching them off to jail, where they belong."

September 20, 2008:
Lyndon LaRouche, and John Hoefle of EIR, on "When the Crash Comes: Whom Will You Trust?" Hosted by Harley Schlanger
http://www.larouchepub.com/radio/archive_2008.html

Once again the culture of fear that has been ingrained into the majority of American citizens over the years is being utilized to make us swallow this $700 billion poison pill that won't really solve the fundamental issues behind the current financial crisis. There is no need to socialize the losses being faced by the financial sector. This article has one great alternative - http://faculty.chicagogsb.edu/luigi.zingales/Why_Paulson_is_wrong.pdf

Just say NO to the bailout.

I was up late last night emailing my other Senator - Dick Durbin, NY Times, Wash Post, americanvoices@mail.house.gov.

Most of you were much nicer than I was. I think, as Senator Bernie Sanders (Vermont, Independent) proposed, there should be a TAX INCREASE ON THE WEALTHIEST AMERICANS NOW. Here is his proposal:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-bernie-sanders/the-middle-class-must-not_b_128046.html

Dodd, Chairman of the Senate Banking Committee and Schumer, in my opinion, have been highly negligent and have failed to provide proper oversight in what many, including Obama, thought was going to be quite a meltdown. Obama was speaking about this over one year ago. I wrote that Dodd and Schumer should be replaced on the Banking Committee. Their constituencies include Wall Street execs and hedge fund managers and I just feel they were very lax. I have not read Dodd's comments today due to work, but he's had two years to get moving on this. He was off running for President and someone on the committee should have acted in his place. (Same goes for Biden, Kerry should take over Foreign Relations and have hearings on the Pakistan situation.)

Here's what else I said - Feel free to include it in your own comments:

"In addition, significantly stronger regulatory measures must be put into place this
year before Congress adjourns. There should be thorough public hearings in both
houses of Congress. There might even be a need for a special prosecutor to be appointed
before Congress adjourns this year to deal with any potential findings of possible
corruption and criminal negligence in the events bringing this nation to this catastrophe.

Congress should not adjourn until this matter is thoroughly investigated with lengthy public hearings, appropriate controls passed into law, and measures taken to provide relief to middle class taxpayers and those facing foreclosure. Obviously all of this cannot happen in one week."

Pay for bailout by taxing traders

The philosophy of the past decade has been to give the wealthiest lavish policies and to pay for it on the backs of the poor and middle class. In addition to the tax breaks, no-bid war spending, bankruptcy law written by the credit card lobby, and numerous other pro-corporate policies, the national debt is ballooning and causing inflation which may also be seen as a form of regressive taxation. Now after the financial institutions have had years of reckless partying the administration is saying we citizens will have to pick up the tab. "Trust us" they say, "we know best".

The price tag of $700,000,000,000 should be paid for by taxing trading in stock and financial markets. The tax would be ultra-small, pro-rated to equal $700 billion after 10 years. This would not impact the market significantly, and enable the ones whose recklessness caused the global disaster to effectively borrow money against their future profits to pay for it. It would also reduce some of the volatility in the stock market as traders would chose to trade less impulsively. Furthermore, by shifting the tax burden slightly from consumers, small businesses, and industries that produce actual tangible goods, the standard of living and economy would benefit broadly. Common sense would support the idea of having those responsible for the global banking disaster be responsible for the price tag.

I'm simply commenting on this thread for three reasons:

1.) I agree entirely. This bailout is a sham, and your 5 points are reasonable and realistic, and in my opinion necessary.

2.) This is one of the best posts I've ever seen on TPM.

3.) There is no other way to favorite aside from commenting and having the comment linked to from my profile.

I was told about this article after I left a message at another blog that reflected similar sentiments.

I then expanded on my earlier comments and posted them to my blog with a link to here, because I felt you covered the ideas in finer detail.

We have to do something about this mess, but I think the money the companies pay back should be spent on improving our schools and crumbling infrastructure. That would create jobs that circulates more money back into the economy.

If we have to spend the money anyway, let's do it in a way that has long-term benefits.

I believe the big bailout is wrong headed and will lead to worsen conditions. It is now more than obvious that the Reagan era trickle down/deregulatory tactics to the economy has completely failed the American people. They have let the pigs run free and the pigs ate the baby; now they're worried that they'll get indigestion. I feel that if one direction leads to a bad end then perhaps the oposite direction is the favorable one. Instead of pouring good money after bad we should take that 700 billion dollars and give it directly to the poor working families of America and watch it grow as it circulates up to the top. They will use it to pay off thier debts, buy well needed comodoties, to replace their old worn out rusty gas guzzling vehicles with cleaner runnig ones, invest in thier own entrepreneurial enterprises, and more. Such a stimulus to the economy will usher in a great renaissance of creativity and well being as well as an economic boom like no other seen before. I erge our leaders to rethink this wrong headed notion of this bailout and see it in just the oposite way as has been presented to them.

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It makes sense to me!

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