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john-mccain.jpgWe recall with delight the G.O.P. claim that Sarah Palin is qualified in foreign policy because Alaska is somewhere near Russia. We have an equivalent, brain-dead assertion from John McCain. (By the way, have you heard he was a P.O.W.?) I must have blocked out the remark as a painful memory, but in one of the debates Gabby Hayes was asked whether the Fed had reduced interest rates sufficiently. Of course everyone realizes this is like asking Lassie to opine on Hegel's Phenomenology of Mind, but in the actual event the response was more stupid than anyone could have imagined. His response was:

"I would like the interest rate to be zero."

Of course, if the interest rate is zero, there is no incentive to save or invest, capital formation disappears, there are no profits, and we are in the stone age economy. If this remark was aired at meetings of the American Economic Association, the nation's suicide rate would have spiked, admittedly upsetting nobody. Now it is true that John Maynard Keynes spoke of the "euthanasia of the rentier," by which he meant there might some day be so much capital its rate of return would fall to zero. Do you think this is what McCain meant? If you do, I'm afraid I'll have to ask you to leave, immediately.

In other McCain antics, the chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, which in itself explains a lot, was against the bailout of AIG before he was for it (via Robert's Stohastic Thoughts. See also Steve Benen.)

Somebody should compile all the clips of Republican speakers at the convention expressing their contempt for the notion that somebody with a problem might be so presumptuous as to ask the government for assistance.

Special Addendum: "Verbage"? Is that like the discarded skins of potatos?

We are in grave danger.


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It's apparent McCain had never heard of the President's Working Group.

I suspect he wouldn't know much about the liquidity trap*, either.

* "the point at which open-market purchases of Treasury bills, the normal way monetary policy operates, don’t have any effect because the T-bill rate is near zero." Paul Krugman

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And the men he says he will rely on for economic advice -- Kemp, Gramm ("red telephone" from Belarus?), Rudman, Pete Peterson and the Concord Coalition -- are all scary -- or morons if you prefer.

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Ellen,

I can't wait for Jack Kemp's "Entrepreneurial Capitalists" to take over.

Of course, the down side is; if everyone is an Entrepreneurial Capitalist, who will do the actual work?

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I'll do the work but only if they pay more than $50 an hour because John McCain says he'll pay me that to pick lettuce in Yuma.

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markg8

JohnW1141

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I meant to add; I'm taking the next train to Yuma.

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Principles apply to the intended subjects only. The Masters of the Universe don't need no stinkin' principles. They know how stuff works, and they make it work, see?

Except when it doesn't, and people get the heretical idea that no one really knows crap, and the winners were just lucky.

Daniel Dennett gives the example of asking a large number of people to flip a coin. Select the ones that got ten heads in a row. Repeat, and after a few iterations, you have someone that got heads a hundred times or something. Is he smart, or lucky? Or just the one that survived a random process? People survive combat, too. But that doesn't make them necessarily smarter.

A genius like Richard Feynman was a genius, period. A great composer like Beethoven was great, period. Now let's consider Ken Lay, or Alan Greenspan.

Daniel Dennet does not say that exactly. He says in an elimination tournament of say100 participants, one participant HAS to win, and that participant that wins will have won 100 times in a row.

The point is made about evolution and natural selection in his Darwin's dangerous Idea.

It is not that a guy flips a coin and gets 100 heads in a row. He flips a coin and WINS 100 times in a row. When it is a sport tournament, the team who gets the Gold medal is the one who wins all its games (if it is simple elimination) and the fact of the matter IN EVERY ONE OF SUCH TOURNAMENTS ONE TEAM HAS TO COME OUT THE WINNER ALL THE TIME.

Need a correction here. The team that wins need not play every other team since a team gets eliminated if it is beat by any other team. So if there is an initial 100 teams playing then there will be a team that has beat all it's competitors, not that it has beat every other team. Same with the coin toss.

If you have say a thousand teams in an elimination tournament, then there will be a team that has beat 100 teams in a row, or something like that not that it beat the whole 1000 teams.

The point is that something IMPROBABLE must happen by necessity in such games BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE A WINNER. The same thing with evolution and natural selection.

It's in their immediate, and long term, self-interest to disparage those who might (ever) approach the government [the body politic] to request support, assistance and even policy... when it's their zero-sum game to play.

All the more for them, and if it takes a sneer, they can happily oblige: there's loot at stake.

Um, who's Gabby Hayes? I suspect McCain *would* know that answer to that one...

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Dam, you done no nuttin; Gabby Hayes was an old, old time bearded cowboy sidekick. George "Gabby" Hayes.

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Well, zero interest rates worked really well for Japan. If they hadn't been trapped in a decade-long mental recession, it would have turned out great.

This is LOL

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GOOOOOOOOOAAAAALLL!
GOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLL!!

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It really didn't take a rocket scientist to see -- many years ago -- yet another American national Ponzi scheme blowing up once the necessarily increasing base of the hyper-leveraged pyramid collapsed from consuming available reality. Even some of us reasonably educated -- and bitterly experienced -- Vietnam Veteran poets could figure it out. Take, for example, this little segment of my never-ending saga about the primitive tribe of post-linguistic Boobies: Fernando Po, U. S. A.:

"Boobie Deadbeats"

The latest news looks very good
For man has bitten hound
And Deadbeat Boobie Dubya's learned
A new way to astound
This time he's simply run our country's
Name into the ground

You see, he doesn't think that all
Those treaties we have signed
Should make us keep our word and so
America's resigned
Which -- if he had one -- might lead us
To think he'd lost his mind

But why all this unseemly haste
Our treaties to renounce?
To show that if he had a brain
It wouldn't weigh an ounce?
No, Deadbeat earned his name because
His checks would always bounce

You see this Boobie had no funds
Within his bank account
But still he had some unsigned checks
With no filled-in amount
And so he gave himself some loans
Which he thought wouldn't count

"What difference do numbers make?"
He asked as he wrote some
"If I just add enough of these,
The Tooth Fairy will come
And make sure that I end up with
A very tidy sum."

"And what about these circle things
With commas in between?
I think I'll use four groups and make
The figure round and clean.
If I take this to Greenspan's Bank
He'll cash it sight unseen."

"And Santa Clause will surely help,"
He thought as he wrote more.
"I bet he'll let me have all of
The toys within the store.
Can't see why not," this Boobie thought,
"He always has before."

"I'll just deploy the troops," George thought
"Since Congress doesn't care.
Then blackmail them for endless funds
And catch them unaware.
They'd never think to draw the line
Since they would not know where."

As Reagan taught us, Cheney said,
Big spending never kills
Just charge the nation's credit card
And take off for the hills
Then deficits don't matter ‘cause
The kids will pay the bills

So Bush bought in and rolled the dice
He loved this gambler's den
He never asked to know how much
Just who and where and when
"It's all found money!" he rejoiced
"In Washington's pig pen"

He'd beg a meal from Popeye and
Like Wimpy he would say:
"I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for
A hamburger today."
Which meant, of course, that he had no
Intention to repay

"When Tuesday comes, I won't be here,"
He snickered as he spent
"I'll eat my burger now and get
Those bankers to relent
Till I can high-tail out of town
And stiff them for the rent."

"I'll bet those foreign lenders shit
When they wake up and find
That I've welshed on our bidness deal
And left them in a bind;
Devaluing the currency
To screw the bastards blind."

"That's what they get for selling us
The stuff that we can't make,
And taking in our dollars which
Are so easy to fake,
While all my many 'have-more' friends
Continue on the take."

"And I don't see why taxpayers
Should give me so much flak.
Why, Boobie Bremer lost nine of
Those billions in Iraq,
And no one's even asked him when
He plans to give them back."

"So what's the deal with bugging me
Because I cannot say
Where I spend all that money when
I go outside to play?
What does `full faith and credit' mean
When I plan not to pay?"

And so the deadbeat Dubya went
Once more off to attack
His doubleplusgood mantras learned,
In Duckspeak he would quack
He'd say one thing on Monday then
On Tuesday take it back

In con man circles tricks like this
Are called the bait-and-switch
If you know how to work them
They can really make you rich
Or else earn you a bad repute
As one son of a bitch

Michael Murry, "The Misfortune Teller," Copyright 2005

What a shock! What a shock, I tell you, to discover gambling going on at Rick's Wall Street Club and Casino! And how utterly typical of the viscious and venal American government (currently under Republican Party mismanagement) to rob the American people yet more and again to make sure the high rolling losers come out of their own shit smelling like a bed of roses.

What McCain meant, of course, was that the workers of America are the best in the world, and he takes insult that you would say otherwise.

What McCain's (few) blue-collar supporters like about him; at least he gives them a reach-around and a kiss while he's screwing them.

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Terry,

and another thing; ya see that Flag? I love that Flag. I'll always love that Flag, regardless of how some others feel!

OMG
Banking, Foriegn Policy, McCain's Media Words.....
Would some more of the McInsane/Sarahcide/Bushwhacked
GOP-ers, please address without their typical venom and anger a few more issues pertaining
to our wonderful national election?

~ Where's Vicki Iseman ?
~ Maverick....Lobbyists ?
~ Reformer.....Keating 5 ?
~ Phil Graham ?
~ McCain & Banking Deregulation ?
~ McCain & The Enron Loophole ?
~ Palingate?
~ MUDFLATS(dot)WORDPRESS(dot)COM ?
~ The McCain Flip-Flop Express ?
~ www(dot)vettingmccain(dot)com ?
~ Palin's inbred-type RightDinger Social Beliefs?
~ Palin's Experience & Education ?
~ www(dot)ireport(dot)com/docs/DOC-85837 ?
~ POW w/McCain, Phillip Butler's Video
~ McCain's right-wing sexual predator & anti monogamy within marriage friends such as:
Ted Haggard & Senator Craig & Senator Ted Stevens & David Vitter & Henry Hyde & Newt Gingrich & Rudy G & etc & etc & etc...
~ POW w/McCain, Phillip Butler's Video
Viewed at:
TheRealMcCain(dot)com(/)Butler ???

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Hi Wyatt. FYI, Phil Gramm, not Graham. Phil Graham (deceased) was publisher of the Washington Post. I didn't like him much either.

Mudflats is great on Palin.

Gosh and McCain's explination about the what he meant about the "fundamentals" being strong, was that the American worker is strong and will fight through these hardships as they have done before. No I am not sure what McCain is reading but pointing out that American workers have survived tough economic times before is just pointing out the obvious. And to add to that, who is saying that the American workers are not strong? I think what Obama is saying is that many of the leaders of industry have led us down a path where the American worker is put at risk, by higher healthcare cost, out-sourcing, and stagnant wages while the ehads of many of these companies seem to be recieving higher wages for failure than ever before.

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No matter how many times 'Wall Street' offered up a bag-o-bonds for sale that turned out to be 'junk'--the Central Banks of China and Russia stepped up. They never refused. Somehow, the message abstracted by the sellers was this: "They are going to make us rich. They will buy anything we offer them."

The thought of a 'sure thing' fueled an appetitie for greed that withered all fears, blinded all risks, as they scrambled to come up with more, more, more to the Chinese and the Russians. They had to scramble far and wide to find borrowers. No documentation--that's ok. No down payment? Never mind. We have mortgages for EVERYBODY. We'll just securitize them, leverage them, and sell the bonds to the Chinese. Ha! We're gonna be rich!! What could go wrong?

Is this the work of the ancient Chinese philosopher Chuang Tse? Did the Chinese, and the Russians, (both with the worlds greatest heritage for Communist experimentation), suss out that America's greatest weakness and strategic vulnerability was its greed and desire for unrestrained raw capitalism?

In other words--was buying up all our junk bonds a form of Asymmetrical Warfare? Inquiring mind cannot help but wonder how they turned us into a socialist nation?

The people who lost their houses--did they get bailed out by refinancing their too clever by half fancy mortgages into good old fashioned 30 or 40 year fixed mortgages? No. Could Uncle Sam have decided to help there, in THAT way? Yes.

Instead, who is it that ultimately receives the largess of the US Treasury and the Fed? Is it the Central Banks of Russis and China? The Russians of course, have a long heritage of chess mastery. The Chinese had Lao Tse, Chuang Tse, Sun Tzu, and Confucius.

I read a few years ago that it was popular on wall street to read The Art of War. That may have been more prescient than they realized, but I have yet to see any sign that they assimilated it's lessons.

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M - C - M+ rulz.

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If the United States desires to maintain dollar hegemony under post-Nixon Bretton Woods II, then, it must stand ready to provide investment "opportunities" for dollars sent abroad (current account deficit).

There's a cost to doing that -- interest payments on the debt.

Greenspan tried to lower that cost by keeping interest rates very, very low, but them damn furriners refused to accept those low rates and decided they'd rather invest in middle-class mortgages at higher rates. And Da Boyz pumped out the mortgages.

Now, we're bailing out those money-grubbing foreigners. Why?

Is dollar hegemony really that crucial? If we gave them furriners a nice haircut, would we kill the goose that laid the golden egg? And would that result be all that bad?

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Or to say it in a less abstract way, why did Paulson bail out Fannie and Freddie bondholders at one hundred cents on the dollar? And why was this decision taken administratively without any democratic (small d) involvement?

At the time of the bailout GSE bonds -- privately issued and backed implicitly but not explicitly by the full faith and credit of the government -- were selling at a discount to treasuries.

The bailout could have included the provision that these bonds would be paid at a discount to reflect the difference between agency rates and UST rates now that an explicit guarantee had been attached to the old bonds.

Why didn't that happen? Why were agency investors given a windfall (sudden increase in the value of the bonds they held)? Why wasn't the Congress a part of the decision? Why are we becoming a dictatorship of the financial elite?

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I think the brief answer is that yes, we are an empire with an emperor(maybe a declining empire)--and I can't escape the suspicion, and that is all it is--(I have no real knowledge--but I can extrapolate)-the suspicion that the Chinese hold the US credit account and we can't go on military adventures without being able to charge it on the credit card. I have suspected that the BS, Fannie, Freddie, and AIG gobbles were all about keeping the Chinese line of credit open. What would happen if the Chinese(and the Russians) said tomorrow: You've reached your credit limit. No more. Could the govt even continue to operate?

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What would the Chinese do with their dollars?

If you owe the bank [Chinese] $100 that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's [Chinese's] problem. J. Paul Getty

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buy petro. Unless the Iranian Bourse replaces the petro-dollar...

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I appreciate the wit, but really --

The Chinese would be cutting off their noses to spite their faces -- and as it is they're already proboscis challenged.

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Note, also --

If the US government allows Fannie and Freddie to fail and international investors are not compensated adequately, the consequences will be catastrophic. If it’s not the end of the world, it is the end of the current international financial system. Yu Yongding, an influential Chinese economist and former advisor to China’s central bank

"Adequately" doesn't mean 100 cents on the dollar!

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Exactly. But something is going on here beyond capital formation.

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Why the surprise? Isn't that the interest rate Cindy gets on her credit cards?

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I have zero interest in this thread.

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Thus a penny: "the lowest coin in the realm" for such as pass for your "thoughts."

Sarah Palin says the John McCain should not be criticized for his "verbiage" bout the fundamentals of the economy. It's interesting that on of the dictionary's definitions of verbiage is "the use of many words without necessity, or with little sense."

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Verbiage is good for your digestive system and it helps with regularity.

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Every time I see that withered old "hand of mcShame" I shudder! (the photo tells all!)

Doc,
I just had to say that I laughed so hard I cried, and my elite, East Coast something-chino came through my nose. Nice work.

--EZE

I agree with Ellen. Let them take a haircut. Whoever owns those mortgages, let them take their losses. That probably won't happen, though, because Bush/Bernanke and their friends own too many bonds and other securities.

There is a lot of concern that foreigners will stop buying our debt. What else will they do with their dollars? They can spend them, invest them, or hide them under their mattresses. What other options do they have?

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Here in Southern Taiwan we saw a TV news program the other night featuring a band of thirty wealthy Tawanese women -- wives of doctors, CEO's, et cetera -- who had just returned from a shopping spree in America. It seems they just couldn't resist buying up (with accumulated dollar cash) formerly high-priced mansions complete with gardeners and chauffers now selling for distressed prices. Now, when their "parachute kids" get ready to attend college in America, they'll have their own private high-rise dormitories to live in.

It now begins to look like all those years I spent studying oriental languages (Chinese and Japanese, chiefly) may yet turn out to my advantage. Not that I would ever want to return to a country stupid enough to elect Deputy Dubya Bush not once but twice. As the we Chinese speaking American ex-pats say in Mandarin: wo men mei guo ren bu tai cong ming ("We Americans are not too smart.")

Still, by electing a dizzy old reactionary cancer patient and his trophy Christianist nurse to lead our country into its earned demise, perhaps we Americans have not yet even begun to demonstrate our suicidal stupidity. As H. L. Menken said: "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the Amerian people;" but in literally selling America "short," a great many people have become fabulously wealthy.

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Uh, about these CDS's and Lehman and AIG. Paul Krugman doesn't seem to get the joke.

But the biggest and most obvious risk of all is the one associated with Lehman's own debt, which is now trading at less than 35 cents on the dollar. That's a big loss for the institutions holding it—but it also means an unknowably huge loss for anybody who wrote credit protection on Lehman Brothers at any point over the past five years. Those sellers of credit protection are staring down the barrel of billions of dollars in claims, and they're going to have to raise that money quick by selling anything they can get their hands on—and that might well include stocks.

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I'm getting awfully tired of Krugman's columns.

He's supposed to be offering his opinions -- what is good or bad in what's being done or proposed. Lately, he seems to be doing nothing more than repeating the news -- and not with a particularly interesting slant.

Anyone else agree (or disagree) that Krugman's been missing in action during this so-called catastrophic event?

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Egg on my face. The Lehman quote is via DeLong (who was reading Krugman so we don't have to) who got it from Felix Salmon. So it's Salmon who doesn't get the joke.

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