Take My Bank, Please
We recall with delight the G.O.P. claim that Sarah Palin is qualified in foreign policy because Alaska is somewhere near Russia. We have an equivalent, brain-dead assertion from John McCain. (By the way, have you heard he was a P.O.W.?) I must have blocked out the remark as a painful memory, but in one of the debates Gabby Hayes was asked whether the Fed had reduced interest rates sufficiently. Of course everyone realizes this is like asking Lassie to opine on Hegel's Phenomenology of Mind, but in the actual event the response was more stupid than anyone could have imagined. His response was:
"I would like the interest rate to be zero."
Of course, if the interest rate is zero, there is no incentive to save or invest, capital formation disappears, there are no profits, and we are in the stone age economy. If this remark was aired at meetings of the American Economic Association, the nation's suicide rate would have spiked, admittedly upsetting nobody. Now it is true that John Maynard Keynes spoke of the "euthanasia of the rentier," by which he meant there might some day be so much capital its rate of return would fall to zero. Do you think this is what McCain meant? If you do, I'm afraid I'll have to ask you to leave, immediately.
In other McCain antics, the chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, which in itself explains a lot, was against the bailout of AIG before he was for it (via Robert's Stohastic Thoughts. See also Steve Benen.)
Somebody should compile all the clips of Republican speakers at the convention expressing their contempt for the notion that somebody with a problem might be so presumptuous as to ask the government for assistance.
Special Addendum: "Verbage"? Is that like the discarded skins of potatos?
We are in grave danger.


It's apparent McCain had never heard of the President's Working Group.
I suspect he wouldn't know much about the liquidity trap*, either.
* "the point at which open-market purchases of Treasury bills, the normal way monetary policy operates, don’t have any effect because the T-bill rate is near zero." Paul Krugman
September 17, 2008 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the men he says he will rely on for economic advice -- Kemp, Gramm ("red telephone" from Belarus?), Rudman, Pete Peterson and the Concord Coalition -- are all scary -- or morons if you prefer.
September 17, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ellen,
I can't wait for Jack Kemp's "Entrepreneurial Capitalists" to take over.
Of course, the down side is; if everyone is an Entrepreneurial Capitalist, who will do the actual work?
September 18, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll do the work but only if they pay more than $50 an hour because John McCain says he'll pay me that to pick lettuce in Yuma.
September 18, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
markg8
JohnW1141
September 18, 2008 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I meant to add; I'm taking the next train to Yuma.
September 18, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Principles apply to the intended subjects only. The Masters of the Universe don't need no stinkin' principles. They know how stuff works, and they make it work, see?
Except when it doesn't, and people get the heretical idea that no one really knows crap, and the winners were just lucky.
Daniel Dennett gives the example of asking a large number of people to flip a coin. Select the ones that got ten heads in a row. Repeat, and after a few iterations, you have someone that got heads a hundred times or something. Is he smart, or lucky? Or just the one that survived a random process? People survive combat, too. But that doesn't make them necessarily smarter.
A genius like Richard Feynman was a genius, period. A great composer like Beethoven was great, period. Now let's consider Ken Lay, or Alan Greenspan.
September 17, 2008 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Daniel Dennet does not say that exactly. He says in an elimination tournament of say100 participants, one participant HAS to win, and that participant that wins will have won 100 times in a row.
The point is made about evolution and natural selection in his Darwin's dangerous Idea.
It is not that a guy flips a coin and gets 100 heads in a row. He flips a coin and WINS 100 times in a row. When it is a sport tournament, the team who gets the Gold medal is the one who wins all its games (if it is simple elimination) and the fact of the matter IN EVERY ONE OF SUCH TOURNAMENTS ONE TEAM HAS TO COME OUT THE WINNER ALL THE TIME.
September 19, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Need a correction here. The team that wins need not play every other team since a team gets eliminated if it is beat by any other team. So if there is an initial 100 teams playing then there will be a team that has beat all it's competitors, not that it has beat every other team. Same with the coin toss.
If you have say a thousand teams in an elimination tournament, then there will be a team that has beat 100 teams in a row, or something like that not that it beat the whole 1000 teams.
The point is that something IMPROBABLE must happen by necessity in such games BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE A WINNER. The same thing with evolution and natural selection.
September 19, 2008 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's in their immediate, and long term, self-interest to disparage those who might (ever) approach the government [the body politic] to request support, assistance and even policy... when it's their zero-sum game to play.
All the more for them, and if it takes a sneer, they can happily oblige: there's loot at stake.
September 17, 2008 10:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Um, who's Gabby Hayes? I suspect McCain *would* know that answer to that one...
September 17, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dam, you done no nuttin; Gabby Hayes was an old, old time bearded cowboy sidekick. George "Gabby" Hayes.
September 18, 2008 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, zero interest rates worked really well for Japan. If they hadn't been trapped in a decade-long mental recession, it would have turned out great.
September 17, 2008 11:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is LOL
September 18, 2008 1:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
GOOOOOOOOOAAAAALLL!
GOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLL!!
September 18, 2008 7:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
It really didn't take a rocket scientist to see -- many years ago -- yet another American national Ponzi scheme blowing up once the necessarily increasing base of the hyper-leveraged pyramid collapsed from consuming available reality. Even some of us reasonably educated -- and bitterly experienced -- Vietnam Veteran poets could figure it out. Take, for example, this little segment of my never-ending saga about the primitive tribe of post-linguistic Boobies: Fernando Po, U. S. A.:
What a shock! What a shock, I tell you, to discover gambling going on at Rick's Wall Street Club and Casino! And how utterly typical of the viscious and venal American government (currently under Republican Party mismanagement) to rob the American people yet more and again to make sure the high rolling losers come out of their own shit smelling like a bed of roses.
September 17, 2008 11:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
What McCain meant, of course, was that the workers of America are the best in the world, and he takes insult that you would say otherwise.
September 18, 2008 1:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
What McCain's (few) blue-collar supporters like about him; at least he gives them a reach-around and a kiss while he's screwing them.
September 18, 2008 1:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Terry,
and another thing; ya see that Flag? I love that Flag. I'll always love that Flag, regardless of how some others feel!
September 18, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
OMG
Banking, Foriegn Policy, McCain's Media Words.....
Would some more of the McInsane/Sarahcide/Bushwhacked
GOP-ers, please address without their typical venom and anger a few more issues pertaining
to our wonderful national election?
~ Where's Vicki Iseman ?
~ Maverick....Lobbyists ?
~ Reformer.....Keating 5 ?
~ Phil Graham ?
~ McCain & Banking Deregulation ?
~ McCain & The Enron Loophole ?
~ Palingate?
~ MUDFLATS(dot)WORDPRESS(dot)COM ?
~ The McCain Flip-Flop Express ?
~ www(dot)vettingmccain(dot)com ?
~ Palin's inbred-type RightDinger Social Beliefs?
~ Palin's Experience & Education ?
~ www(dot)ireport(dot)com/docs/DOC-85837 ?
~ POW w/McCain, Phillip Butler's Video
~ McCain's right-wing sexual predator & anti monogamy within marriage friends such as:
Ted Haggard & Senator Craig & Senator Ted Stevens & David Vitter & Henry Hyde & Newt Gingrich & Rudy G & etc & etc & etc...
~ POW w/McCain, Phillip Butler's Video
Viewed at:
TheRealMcCain(dot)com(/)Butler ???
September 18, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hi Wyatt. FYI, Phil Gramm, not Graham. Phil Graham (deceased) was publisher of the Washington Post. I didn't like him much either.
Mudflats is great on Palin.
September 18, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Gosh and McCain's explination about the what he meant about the "fundamentals" being strong, was that the American worker is strong and will fight through these hardships as they have done before. No I am not sure what McCain is reading but pointing out that American workers have survived tough economic times before is just pointing out the obvious. And to add to that, who is saying that the American workers are not strong? I think what Obama is saying is that many of the leaders of industry have led us down a path where the American worker is put at risk, by higher healthcare cost, out-sourcing, and stagnant wages while the ehads of many of these companies seem to be recieving higher wages for failure than ever before.
September 18, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
No matter how many times 'Wall Street' offered up a bag-o-bonds for sale that turned out to be 'junk'--the Central Banks of China and Russia stepped up. They never refused. Somehow, the message abstracted by the sellers was this: "They are going to make us rich. They will buy anything we offer them."
The thought of a 'sure thing' fueled an appetitie for greed that withered all fears, blinded all risks, as they scrambled to come up with more, more, more to the Chinese and the Russians. They had to scramble far and wide to find borrowers. No documentation--that's ok. No down payment? Never mind. We have mortgages for EVERYBODY. We'll just securitize them, leverage them, and sell the bonds to the Chinese. Ha! We're gonna be rich!! What could go wrong?
Is this the work of the ancient Chinese philosopher Chuang Tse? Did the Chinese, and the Russians, (both with the worlds greatest heritage for Communist experimentation), suss out that America's greatest weakness and strategic vulnerability was its greed and desire for unrestrained raw capitalism?
In other words--was buying up all our junk bonds a form of Asymmetrical Warfare? Inquiring mind cannot help but wonder how they turned us into a socialist nation?
The people who lost their houses--did they get bailed out by refinancing their too clever by half fancy mortgages into good old fashioned 30 or 40 year fixed mortgages? No. Could Uncle Sam have decided to help there, in THAT way? Yes.
Instead, who is it that ultimately receives the largess of the US Treasury and the Fed? Is it the Central Banks of Russis and China? The Russians of course, have a long heritage of chess mastery. The Chinese had Lao Tse, Chuang Tse, Sun Tzu, and Confucius.
I read a few years ago that it was popular on wall street to read The Art of War. That may have been more prescient than they realized, but I have yet to see any sign that they assimilated it's lessons.
September 18, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
M - C - M+ rulz.
September 18, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the United States desires to maintain dollar hegemony under post-Nixon Bretton Woods II, then, it must stand ready to provide investment "opportunities" for dollars sent abroad (current account deficit).
There's a cost to doing that -- interest payments on the debt.
Greenspan tried to lower that cost by keeping interest rates very, very low, but them damn furriners refused to accept those low rates and decided they'd rather invest in middle-class mortgages at higher rates. And Da Boyz pumped out the mortgages.
Now, we're bailing out those money-grubbing foreigners. Why?
Is dollar hegemony really that crucial? If we gave them furriners a nice haircut, would we kill the goose that laid the golden egg? And would that result be all that bad?
September 18, 2008 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or to say it in a less abstract way, why did Paulson bail out Fannie and Freddie bondholders at one hundred cents on the dollar? And why was this decision taken administratively without any democratic (small d) involvement?
At the time of the bailout GSE bonds -- privately issued and backed implicitly but not explicitly by the full faith and credit of the government -- were selling at a discount to treasuries.
The bailout could have included the provision that these bonds would be paid at a discount to reflect the difference between agency rates and UST rates now that an explicit guarantee had been attached to the old bonds.
Why didn't that happen? Why were agency investors given a windfall (sudden increase in the value of the bonds they held)? Why wasn't the Congress a part of the decision? Why are we becoming a dictatorship of the financial elite?
September 18, 2008 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the brief answer is that yes, we are an empire with an emperor(maybe a declining empire)--and I can't escape the suspicion, and that is all it is--(I have no real knowledge--but I can extrapolate)-the suspicion that the Chinese hold the US credit account and we can't go on military adventures without being able to charge it on the credit card. I have suspected that the BS, Fannie, Freddie, and AIG gobbles were all about keeping the Chinese line of credit open. What would happen if the Chinese(and the Russians) said tomorrow: You've reached your credit limit. No more. Could the govt even continue to operate?
September 18, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
What would the Chinese do with their dollars?
If you owe the bank [Chinese] $100 that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's [Chinese's] problem. J. Paul Getty
September 18, 2008 9:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
buy petro. Unless the Iranian Bourse replaces the petro-dollar...
September 18, 2008 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I appreciate the wit, but really --
The Chinese would be cutting off their noses to spite their faces -- and as it is they're already proboscis challenged.
September 19, 2008 7:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Note, also --
If the US government allows Fannie and Freddie to fail and international investors are not compensated adequately, the consequences will be catastrophic. If it’s not the end of the world, it is the end of the current international financial system. Yu Yongding, an influential Chinese economist and former advisor to China’s central bank
"Adequately" doesn't mean 100 cents on the dollar!
September 18, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. But something is going on here beyond capital formation.
September 18, 2008 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why the surprise? Isn't that the interest rate Cindy gets on her credit cards?
September 18, 2008 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have zero interest in this thread.
September 18, 2008 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thus a penny: "the lowest coin in the realm" for such as pass for your "thoughts."
September 18, 2008 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sarah Palin says the John McCain should not be criticized for his "verbiage" bout the fundamentals of the economy. It's interesting that on of the dictionary's definitions of verbiage is "the use of many words without necessity, or with little sense."
September 18, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Verbiage is good for your digestive system and it helps with regularity.
September 18, 2008 6:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Every time I see that withered old "hand of mcShame" I shudder! (the photo tells all!)