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While we've been preoccupied with Wasilla, Trig, Track, Todd, Bristol and Levi, the Bridge and the Road to Nowhere, the deep critique of celebrity politics, the bucolic life of small-town Alaska and its proximity to Russia, the virtues of drilling, and lately, the meltdown of global financial markets, Jeffrey Goldberg has published an important piece on "The Wars of John McCain," referring not only to the actual war John S. McCain III fought but to his mentality--and also the wars of his father, the Vietnam admiral, and tangentially, his admiral grandfather, and by implication, the whole chain of American wars to which he is evidently devoted, wars that McCains have fought in, as the current McCain is proud to repeat.


Goldberg's view is that, while McCain "has advisers from both the neocon and realist camps," there's "one area [where] he has been more or less constant: his belief in the power of war to solve otherwise insoluble problems." Though Sarah Palin may not be sure what exactly was the Bush Doctrine of 2002, McCain knows just what it was and persists in upholding the dangerous notion that the U. S. is justified in launching a war unilaterally whenever it believes itself endangered. (Goldberg makes the common mistake, as did Charles Gibson, of calling this "preemption." That term should be reserved for cases of attacking first to avert an imminent attack. What McCain and Bush agree on are the merits of preventive war.) Thus McCain's perhaps playful but symbolically screamingly telling Beach Boys gag earlier this year, "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran."

Goldberg maintains that McCain is an unreconstructed Vietnam revisionist. McCain thinks that war was "winnable." As Matt Welch writes in his most useful, important, and disgracefully neglected book, McCain: The Myth of a Maverick (p. 210), "He returned from Vietnam a fervent believer in the domino theory, but somewhere along the line changed his mind, without ever (to my knowledge) discussing the implications of discovering that the basis of the U. S. foreign policy he fought for was untrue" (my italics). "His taste for interventionism during his first 15 years of office was tempered greatly by Vietnam," Welch adds (p. 61), but McCain's temperance long side wore off, as witness his yelling "Next up, Baghdad!" on board the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt in the Persian Gulf on Jan. 2, 2002 Although after Sept. 11 (according to Elizabeth Drew, Citizen McCain, p. 145), he co-sponsored with John Kerry a resolution limiting the president's right to declare war--he told NPR that the 1964 Tonkin Gulf resolution "taught us that we ought to be very careful what we do in the passions of the moment and we may regret later on"--he has not thought through why the Vietnam war, his war, was drastically misguided. Just as he avoids self-reflection, like another Republican president you can think of, calling it "this psycho stuff," he avoids, or is incapable of, careful reflection on the rights and wrongs of American foreign policy. He reveals no signs of any subsequent thought about why that war was a disaster.

McCain's beloved surge is his attempt to win the Vietnam war after the fact. Goldberg writes this about McCain's former Hanoi cellmate, friend, and supporter Orson Swindle:

I told Swindle that McCain had argued to me that he doesn't think about Vietnam overly much when he thinks about the wars of today.

"Bullshit," Swindle said. "He'll say Vietnam didn't affect him, that he doesn't think about it, that he's aloof from it. But I see it. It's there."

Like his father, John McCain thinks the Vietnam war should have been fought and could have been won. For its loss, on the strength of what he tells Goldberg, he blames--surprise!--the media and civilian authorities. (Here he resembles an earlier revisionist, John Rambo.) He blames Walter Cronkite for turning against the war. He seems to think that had it not been for Watergate, Nixon would have been free to use air power to stop the North Vietnamese takeover of South Vietnam.

And then consider this: Goldberg hands him a copy of a 1972 NYT op-ed by his father, maintaining that "Vietnamization is successful." "Hey Lindsey," McCain says to his traveling companion, Lindsey Graham, "look at this article. This is from when The New York Times still published op-eds by McCains"--this said "with a half-smile." It must have slipped his mind that on March 12, 2003, just before the launch of the Iraq war, the Times published an op-ed under his name, containing these lines:

no one can plausibly argue that ridding the world of Saddam Hussein will not significantly improve the stability of the region and the security of American interests and values....Isn't it more likely that antipathy toward the United States in the Islamic world might diminish amid the demonstrations of jubilant Iraqis celebrating the end of a regime that has few equals in its ruthlessness?

But back to the subject of the senior McCain's belief that "Vietnamization [was] successful." As Jeffrey Klein wrote in July, "If Admiral McCain believed this, he was the only top American official who did. By then the author of the Vietnamization strategy, General Creighton Abrams, was privately calling it 'Slow Surrender.'"

Nixon approved of Admiral McCain's uplifting talk about how the Vietnam war was going. Klein adds this chilling footnote:

Admiral McCain played a key role in Nixon's nuclear brinksmanship during October of 1969, when 71% of Americans approved of their war president. Nixon concocted an astonishingly secret operation to fake a nuclear attack on North Vietnam. From Oct. 10 through the end of the month, Nixon ordered the US military to full global war readiness alert with no explanation. Nixon knew both his Secretaries of State and Defense opposed his nuclear brinksmanship. Admiral McCain, however, was in Nixon's loop and urged maximum mobilization, including the deployment at sea of as many threatening Polaris nuclear missile submarines as possible. On Oct. 27, Nixon dispatched 18 B-52 bombers loaded with nuclear weapons to the northern edge of the Soviet Union, where they circled for three days. This signal to the Soviets and the North Vietnamese ("Compromise on our terms or else!") was completely hidden from the American public and virtually all of the top military brass. Nixon's mad bypassing of the chain of command caused tactical screw-ups, including near collisions of the nuclear-armed bombers with other planes over Alaska. And the bottom line? The operation failed to budge the North Vietnamese.

Back to the current John McCain's fanciful views of the world, the world he purports to be so "experienced" about. John McCain thinks that "we have succeeded in Iraq." He told George Stephanopoulos recently that "we were greeted as liberators" there. He thinks a 100-year occupation in the middle of the Middle East sounds like a good idea, at least if it can be accomplished without American casualties--and if McCain thinks that premise realistic, he is a pipe dreamer.

Last month, he gave us intimations of his kneejerk belligerence with respect to Georgia and Russia, but the media have not paid attention to the wider implications. For his part, McCain doesn't go around giving speeches about what energizes him and gives his life meaning--war. "it's very hard to run for president on this idea [of preventive war] right now," McCain told Goldberg. That's why he doesn't talk about it much; why he'd rather talk about Sarah Palin eyeball-to-eyeball with Russia.


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I think we gained a valuable insight into a McCain presidency in his initial response to the crisis in Russia...which was "Send in the 82nd Airborne".

He is a man who glorifies war. He thinks that war is a noble endeavor and the best way to protect our national interests. He is a neocon. In fact his view of how the US should act on the world stage represents the soul of neoconservatism. But with the backlash against the foreign policy of El Presidente Bush he won't discuss his views on how American foreign policy should be implemented at the point of a gun.

Will the presidential debates force McCain's militaristic beliefs to the front and center? Probably not. He'll dance and weave and say all the right things about how American foreign policy needs be be built on the cornerstone of diplomacy and the use of force as the last option. But in John McCain's view of the world there are only 2 options...either agree with him/us and submit to our will or you'll face military consequences.

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Not only a warrior but raised in an aggressive, Spartan culture(McNasty). I wonder if any of the poor guys whose heads he used to flush in the commode remember him well?

Look, the man's a Navy pilot whose reason for existence was to bomb the enemy into submission. That is John McCain's world view: democracy from the wingtips of a fighter jet.

Foreign McPolicy is a trigger happy affair, shaped by excessive faith in American firepower, combined with overbearing righteousness. To criticize the policy it to put the country second.

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Most people try to forget war, not celebrate it.

And bragging about a family legacy founded upon killing people is at least somewhat troubling.

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I've long thought McCain views Iraq as a do over for Vietnam. Same with Cheney. They think they can redeem the failures of their youth with the blood and sacrifice of a new generation.

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mark,

I agree. I think McCain is haunted by his experience as a POW, connecting it to a lost war.
I think he sees his suffering there as all for naught, as we lost the war.
I think he wants to win a war as a way of ameliorating his loss in Vietnam, but I'm not sure if he will ever resolve the fix he's in.

His shoot from the hip comments about "Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran" and "send in (Georgia) the 82nd Airborne" cause me to not believe him when he says he hates war.

And, as a modern Navy pilot, his seeing what war is, is not like what Navy pilots in WWII saw, nor is it like what Marines on the ground see.

McCain scares me, and having Palin by his side just compounds the fear.

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Just what America needs, another son making up for Daddy's "lost war".....

Paging Dr. Freud.......

...no one can plausibly argue that ridding the world of Saddam Hussein will not significantly improve the stability of the region and the security of American interests and values....Isn't it more likely that antipathy toward the United States in the Islamic world might diminish amid the demonstrations of jubilant Iraqis celebrating the end of a regime that has few equals in its ruthlessness?

How'd that one work, Johnny Mac?

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Maybe there should be a system where those that
support a war must serve in the military in some capacity for as long as the war lasts.

Nah, that would never work.

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Johnny mcPOW
" March 12, 2003, just before the launch of the Iraq war, the Times published an op-ed under his name, containing these lines:

no one can plausibly argue that ridding the world of Saddam Hussein will not significantly improve the stability of the region and the security of American interests and values....Isn't it more likely that antipathy toward the United States in the Islamic world might diminish amid the demonstrations of jubilant Iraqis celebrating the end of a regime that has few equals in its ruthlessness? "


How is this not being played constantly somewhere or in ads?

That's not judgement we can believe in, My Frennnz
Hehhh hehh hehhhhhh (courtesy of Floyd The Barber)

Just as he avoids self-reflection, like another Republican president you can think of, calling it "this psycho stuff," he avoids, or is incapable of, careful reflection on the rights and wrongs of American foreign policy. He reveals no signs of any subsequent thought about why that war was a disaster.

Narcissists don't do self-reflection. Analyzing things that went wrong might shatter their illusion of perfection by forcing them to admit they didn't make optimal choices.

bomb the fucking gooks, poison their jungle, and then burn their huts evict them fom their villages . fuckn'a we could of won that war. we just didn't try.

rambo is the way much of america has processed the vietnam war. count the number of pow mia flags you see flying over govt buildings. what exactly do they mean? and how did they get there?

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At least McCain actually participated in the Vietnam war. Cheney had other priorities.
I think Cheney's motivation is vindication of Nixon's forced resignation after impeachment hearings. That would explain why he's so intent on increasing executive power.

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Buckeye.

Cheney represents a stealth revenge campaign for the intervention that stopped Nixon from completing his mission...

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I am confused.

Are fighter jets also bombers?

I thought there were lighter, easy to maneuver fighters and heavier bombers. (?)

Don't know much about combat.

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Agathena,

Your understanding is generally accurate, if a bit of an oversimplification. Senator McCain piloted the A-4E Skyhawk which is best described as a ligthweight fighter-bomber. The goal of a fighter-bomber is exactly what you might expect: To combine the maneuverability and speed of a fighter (enabling air-to-air combat) with the payload capacity of a bomber. Details:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-4E_Skyhawk

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In case you don't want to read all about it per the link provided, I meant to add that, in terms of armament, the A-4E was more bomber than fighter. I think it was primarily used for bombing runs behind enemy lines and close air support of ground forces...

The "A" designation is for "attack" as opposed to the "F" (fighter) and "B" (bomber) designations we also commonly see. See: A-10, F-16, B-2...

Long ago, the "P" (pursuit) was used instead of "F", as in P-38 Lightning and P-51 Mustang.

And "C" for cargo (C-5A) also.

I'm sure there are others I'm overlooking.

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In WWII, the P47 Thunderbolt was a fighter bomber and one of the the best friends the infantry had.

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A-4, A-6, A-7, A-10 etc are pretty much purely attack aircraft. They carry a disproportionate array of armament relative to their overall weight and are actually slow flying craft in relative terms. None are capable of supersonic flight (that I know of). They pack a tremendous punch though. They can be armed with just about every airborne conventional weapon in the U.S. arsenal.

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Do you hate everybody, Todd, or is it just Americans?

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notmoving,

stop by on Thursday, that's our Community Flag Burning Day.

The McCain men have been drawing a government paycheck for nearly a century, now. Of course they see warfare as the answer to international problems. You also have to ask yourself, if someone with his history of being deep within the US government could ever, with the farthest stretch of imagination, be considered an agent of change. McCain is the poster child for 'stay the course'.

I subscribe to the "Real Warrios Hate War" point of view. I never served, and only seen the effects of combat service second-hand. Even with that limited view, I never understand how those who have experienced it first hand could propose it as anything other than a literal last resort.

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Moose said:

I never understand how those who have experienced it first hand could propose it as anything other than a literal last resort.

The vast majority of those who saw war close up cringe at the mention of it later in life, whether we have a reason to engage or not.

McCain uses the word war too easily, that's why he scares me.

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As a Vietnam vet I can confirm that most of those who I served with and myself are not enamoured of armed conflict to resolve differences. We (most of us) learned up close and personal it just deepens differences among people. Some though fail to learn the lesson and frankly I think those persons should never be in public office. Their inability to have learned introduces an unacceptable bias into their outlook on how to respond to conflict.

The overall U.S. response to 9/11 is a perfect example of a misguided response to having been attacked. The real tragedy though is the way we were coerced into the Iraq war and the fact that our system of governance has completely failed to address the criminal aspect of it. I can tolerate that someone may not learn because of the scars of war but when it manifests itself as criminal behavior then it cannot go unpunished. Our world has grown way too small and nations way too interdependent to resort to violence as a solution.

We in the U.S. have a serious conflict in this regard. We rely upon the production of weapons of war for a good chunk of our economic production. It is impossible to deny that we effectively promote war through the sale of arms. It is worth pointing out that the U.S., UK and France lead the world in production of arms (I'm not sure I recall that absolutely correctly but I think it is correct). We need to find different ways to fuel our economies.

I often hear comments from some people that if we don't do it somebody else will. That is a totally absurd argument based soley upon money and thoroughly disregards the greater conequence it brings. Unfortunately, when I am cofronted with this argument I go off the deep end and absolutely scream at the asshole expressing this stupidity. I am no politician.

Even if we forgive foolishness in foresight -- the domino theory, we can't afford to forgive blindness in hindsight.
What would be different if we had 'won the Vietnam war'; would we still have Nikes.

TPM, TPM, TPM...I've written this before but I have to say it again: every time I wonder if the Democrats really have a chance this year, I always come back to TPM to remind myself why they don't.

someone describes a family with a proud history of serving in this country's military as "drawing a government paycheck for generations." other people want to verbally spar with McCain about whether we could have won in Vietnam, when McCain was there, and a POW, and probably has some convictions about that war that have more to do with what he went through than with the actual situation...and guess what, that'd be normal. others of you have even managed somehow to work hateful comments about Palin into this conversation. and I'm sure some of you Einsteins who know EXACTLY what we should have done in Vietnam weren't even born then. so yeah, we should listen to you. why, you probably took a class about it once in the '90s at UC-Berkeley, so yeah, you would know.

you all seem to forget that military men and women put their lives on the line so we can enjoy the freedoms we have in this country. you forget that one of the reasons we have gotten into so many ill-considered wars is that we are a Superpower and the world keeps asking us to step in. you forget that we're not doing anything that hasn't been done by England, Portugal, or France, but we did them in the 20th century and not in the 15th.

as long as Democrats keep spouting the same anti-military crap you've all said here, we will lose.

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I am extremely proud of having served my country and I think that applies for most veterans. I had multiple tours of duty in the Asian theatre during Vietnam and it was any eye opening experience. However those who may not have learned from the experience, as I stated in the above, is problematic.

And I happen to think it's wrong to suggest that present day students cannot learn in our colleges and universities. That is all the current generation has. If they don't learn it there it means they'll end up learning it the hard way. Not recommended and more than a little fucked up.

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gretz says;

you all seem to forget that military men and women put their lives on the line so we can enjoy the freedoms we have in this country.

gertz, that brings a tear to my eye, I can almost hear the Battle Hymn of the Republic playing softly in the background. I'm going out right now to buy a lapel flag pin.

You must have been absolutely livid at the attacks on Kerry and Gore as both were not only in the military, but also on the ground in Vietnam. How is it the Republicans won those elections?

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JohnW1141 (to gretz),

You must have been absolutely livid at the attacks on Kerry and Gore as both were not only in the military, but also on the ground in Vietnam. How is it the Republicans won those elections?

Americans need enemies for motivation, and the GOP has mastered the easy reach. Neocon is less "neo-conservative" than "neo-Confederate."

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Obama is more likely to drag us into a war than is McCain.


"The Democratic candidate had raised hackles in Pakistan by suggesting he would authorize U.S military incursion into Pakistan if there was information about Osama bin Laden's presence there and Islamabad did not act on the information. Administration officials and foreign policy mavens, including Obama's current running mate Joesph Biden and John McCain, had criticized such a public utterance, preferring the policy to be unsaid. In the past week, the Bush administration has begun doing precisely what Obama recommended -- covert attacks inside Pakistan aimed at eliminating terrorists. But according to Pakistan, they are resulting only in civilian deaths. - The Times of India (emphasis mine)"

quoted by David Seaton who goes on to dicuss the probably impact of Obama's public humiliation of the military establishment of Pakistan which has now publicly announced that they will fire upon any such attempt as Obama recommends. Note that Pakistan has nuclear weapons.

One of the reasons that I am voting against Obama is that I belive that he will have us at war with Pakistan within three years -- if Bush doesn't beat him to it. McCain on the other hand will make it very clear to Pakistan the costs of any such war which might reduce their impulse to engage in it.

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AJM

McCain said more than once that he'd follow bin Ladin to the gates of hell. Are you suggesting he would stop at the Pakistani border?

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Not to worry AJM.
Once McCain gets called on his resolute determination to get Bin Laden, he'll give up on Iran for long enough to completely fuck up the situation in South Asia.

Also, please note that there is a substantial difference between the Pakistani military establishment and ISI. The same ISI that had a footprint in al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan pre-9/11.

We're just now understanding the consequences of looking to Pakistan as a primary ally in the War on Terra. 7 years to take our money and weapons, spread nuclear weapons technology, and disrupt efforts to stabilize Afghanistan.

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I should have written "many people" instead of "we".
I'm sure I'm not alone here in having realized it was a problem not long after US and NATO operations commenced in Afghanistan.

"For its loss, on the strength of what he tells Goldberg, he blames--surprise!--the media and civilian authorities. (Here he resembles an earlier revisionist, John Rambo.)" Students of German history will shudder at this point. The Nazi movement was full of embittered veterans of WWI who believed that they were winning the war on the battlefield but that the home front had let them down. That's the famous "stab in the back" theory, a most frightening syndrome.

At the Republican convention, McCain said something about how much he hated war, and how he would work to ensure that our families would not have to fight in wars, the way his family has.

It made me cringe at the time - and still reeks of the messianic. At least he didn't claim to die for my sins.

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