Explain to me please
In 2000 Al Gore was pilloried by the mainstream media ("MSM") for his alleged untruths or exaggerations -- Love Canal, Love Story, Internet, Who he visited in Texas. In every instance, at the very most he had chosen the wrong word or failed to clarify the misunderstandings of others.
Now in 2008 the McCain-Palin ticket revels in inaccuracy, wallows in whoppers, lies like a pair of rugs, buys ad time to tell still more lies. So tell me why the MSM doesn't talk about their dishonesty endlessly, turning them from celebrity stars into pathological figures?
The contrast is absolutely clear. What's the explanation?
And note WaPo puts on the front page an article excusing Sarah Palin for not knowing anything about George Bush's foreign policy. Does anyone recall WaPo defending Gore?
Just asking.














I think starting around 2001, the MSM began to stop questioning the reality presented to them. After 9/11, America was "unified." The MSM stopped their silly question asking, and was brought into the fold with fear of being called "unpatriotic". Perceptive people in America had a vague idea of how much the current administration distorted the truth. So in fear of being branded unpatriotic, the MSM decided to just report on the alternate reality. Presenting two realities was an easy cop out. In so doing, the Kerry swift-boating was presented as just as legitimate a reality as what Kerry presented to us. The MSM's job ceased to be about "reporting the truth", and became about "reporting".
September 13, 2008 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think we should have a march on either a television station or a major newspaper to protests.
September 13, 2008 6:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Institutionally, the MSM have little incentive to report "truth" rather than offer "balanced coverage" when readers are too impatient to accept long-form journalism, owners demand maximum revenue, getting an interview depends on "playing nice," and keeping your job depends on keeping all of the above happy. If we don't figure out how to make critical thinking and reporting both profitable and appealing to the general public, we'd better look for alternative means to lift the public debate.
September 13, 2008 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
The MSM never bothered to report on Bush and his real record in Texas when he was running in 2000. This didn't start in 2001.
September 13, 2008 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're right. But I think the spirit of "unity" heavily reinforced what had already been going on. But definitely the GOP pushing the idea of "liberal bias" in the media, got into the MSM's heads. So again, the media found it more palatable to just "report", instead of "reporting the truth". I still think that "giving both realities" reared its ugly head most prominently during the Bush years.
September 13, 2008 9:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this trait began long before 9/11.
September 13, 2008 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think a big part of this is that the GOP is great at recognizing a narrative and pushing it relentlessly, while the Democrats wait for the media to do it for them. In both 2000 and 2004, the GOP made the media's job easy on this by sending out surrogates, creating ads and generally owning the message. If the Obama campaign wants the liar narrative to take hold, it needs to go all out on it. A couple press releases and a conference call doesn't cut it. If by the end of this campaign John McCain isn't considered the biggest liar in 100 years it'll be the fault of the Democrats, not the media.
September 13, 2008 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
some explenations and history on that:
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/390.html
out of
http://www.brasschecktv.com/
September 13, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The earth is round."
Thank you Professor Hawking.
"Now, the in the interest of balance, let's hear from the Flat Earth Society. Welcome, Senator McCain."
September 13, 2008 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
one of those clever rhetorical questions that wasn't designed to solicit an answer.
I don't remember your loud protestations when the media were picking Hillary apart.
Where you were then, enjoying the coverage?
September 13, 2008 6:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lalo,
is that the best you can do?
September 13, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
He does have a point in that the unfairness of the media is selective around these parts.
Why even MJ and other Cafe dwellers issued "outrage" at Hillary and Bill’s racist monstrous tactics while making sure Obama was comfy in his pillow. Now that he is facing McCain it is a totally different story.
I don't blame Obama for this, since he was the beneficiary at the time. But now it is a different story.
September 13, 2008 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Example?
September 13, 2008 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's because you are a Republican Party loyalist.
That makes you a pathetic bore.
September 13, 2008 11:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reed, I ascribe it to the amount of silliness coming from the breathern in the MSM about Palin. Simply the amount of trash pushed forward by Matthews and Olbermann over the past 3 weeks would make Lee Atwater blush.
Its stupid and hurst Obama's cause. The Obama campaign should have stepped in and shut these folks up as soon as they started in. However, the Obama team has been flatfooted for the entire time. I certainly hope that this isn't what we are going to see for the next two months.
September 13, 2008 6:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
First of all, Olbermann and Matthews don't work for Barack Obama, so he can't simply give them orders and expect to be obeyed. More importantly, what specifically have they said about Palin that wasn't true? So much is on the record that would have been an automatic deal-breaker for anyone else (including Hillary Clinton) that I can't see why they would need to make anything up.
September 13, 2008 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, they don't work for Obama but are you saying there is no cohesion between the Obama team and the folks at MSNBC? I am not saying it is a bad thing cause it isn't given the relationship between Fox and Repubs. A quiet word to tell them to keep on the topic that we are going against McCain and not Palin would have been warranted. We've fallen into the same routine as 2000 and 2004. We spent much of those elections running against. The Dick. Bush got hang out and look like Alfred E Newman.
Lastly, whether true or not it doesn't matter. Talk about anything else. Anything. You have the high ground on the issues and policy. Why get back into personalities?
Somehow , someway we have to rid this party of the Kennedy style of losing elections.
September 13, 2008 7:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please tell me one thing Olberman or Matthews have said about Palin that isn't true. Just one.
That she was clueless in her softball interview? She was. All of the MSM people saying otherwise are proving themselves to be morons or hacks.
That her single claim to fame ("I told Congress 'thanks but no thanks on that Bridge to Nowhere'") is a lie? It is. BALD FACE LIE.
That she has shown time and again that she cannot be trusted with power? She has. (Asking a "what if" question about banning books doesn't get you off the hook. She wanted to do it, or she wouldn't have asked. And don't get me started on rape-kit-gate.)
This woman is an abomination, and John McCain gave us all a big middle finger by picking her.
September 13, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
You got a point but the jury is still out if the Palin media phenomenon is going to turn out good or bad for McCain. Personally my money is on it turning out bad.
September 13, 2008 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
The press collaborated with Republicans to attack Clinton, which culminated in the impeachment frenzy. Then, either drunk on their power or controlled by big-business marionette strings (probably both), they gleefully pilloried Gore and helped Bush to get "elected."
Now, it's unclear what they'll do with their power. McCain has cultivated them over the years and McCain/Palin is a good news story, so they've let it proceed. However, the fall of McCain/Palin is looking like a good story, so they're sniffing around it.
I think blog pressure--especially from TPM and Huffinton Post--is starting to have an effect. If only we'd had this outlet in 2000! It's depressing to think about what might have been . . .
September 13, 2008 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree very strongly with this, particularly about the 'blog pressure.' There was also a statement made today by Markos Moulitsas, following on his appearance on 'Countdown' which stresses that it is the job of bloggers to dig in where journalists fear to go and to drive issues out of hiding, to get journalists to do their jobs and to keep politicians from lying without consequences. It is undoubtedly true that Youtube, Google, and the unrestrained free speech and ready access to information is creating an independent pressure on the media where they can no longer just get along. They have to do more of their jobs now.
September 13, 2008 9:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
NPR made excuses for her this morning, too. In a story about Gibson's interview, the hosts (I believe they were Renee Montagne, Steve Inskeep) first claimed that she didn't make any gaffes and then brought up the "Bush Doctrine" question. They brought up the whole "was it fair" canard and noted that "many people" didn't know what it was. (Excuse me but "many people" are not running for president.) And then said, in her defense, that she's still relatively inexperienced. Isn't that the whole point? Her inexperience?
September 13, 2008 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know what the Bush Doctrine is? Hell.....I could have sworn it was call Dick and then go see who has the best blow.
September 13, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
To be fair the "Bush Doctrine" is a rhetorical phrase (and an allusion to the much more specific Truman Doctrine) which points to a number of Bush's responses to 9/11 and implies a substantial change in American foreign policy. From day to day there is little agreement among pundits and historians concerning which of Bush's policy statements are to be included.
Clearly, the phrase cannot act as shorthand for the willingness to engage in preemptive war as Charlie Gibson, a long-time newsman, apparently thinks it does. Preemptive war has always been an American policy option -- nothing new requiring a new phrase to describe it -- and most if not all of us support preempting an immediate threat (Six Day War).
The phrase "Bush Doctrine" may stand for preventive war ("grave and gathering dangers"), but there, the line between preemptive and preventive war is difficult to descry and in our technologically proficient age will never be clear. Questions about its general applicability always require a specific set of facts.
Thus, Gibson's question to Palin became -- although I don't think Gibson intended it as such (He himself didn't know what he was asking) -- argumentative. And argumentative questions should be -- as Gibson, although making matters worse in the attempt, tried to do -- rephrased.
September 13, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's an interesting thought on how a knowledgable person might have answered the question. But that's not what she said. She stalled, called it his "world view," and then rambled about how it's a dangerous world and they have been mistakes but there are people "hell bent [tm]" on attacking us, but that's, of course, the great thing about American elections.
All of this crap about the subtlties of the Bush Doctrine (and there are not any, but keep telling yourself that) are beside the point because she didn't know any of that, she was entirely clueless and gave a sputtering ramble of talking points that didn't even relate to each other. And the press thinks it is debatable whether she did well.
@#$%!
Increased communication capabilities was supposed to make us smarter and make it harder for politicians to lie. It has done exactly the opposite.
September 13, 2008 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I had the impression that she was not sure of the meaning of the word ‘doctrine’ because when he asked her what the Bush Doctrine was she seemed confused as to what "Charlie" was asking. I got the distinct impression that she thought the question was in some way impertinent such as: "explain to me Bush's sex life".
If she had not been sure as to what part of Bush's foreign policy he was referring to (as Ellen implies) she should have reacted in a more inquisitive and not such an offended manner..
And btw, the semantic fuzziness of the term "Bush doctrine" does not take away from its common usage in the public political discourse of the past seven or so years. So the startled reaction implies she has not been keeping up with the public discussion of Bush's foreign policy. And Gibson had every right to expose that fact.
September 13, 2008 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
if she had any clue what she was talking about she would have explained what her understanding of bush's policy was and then concluded whether or not she supported it. she didn't, because she had no clue what gibson was even referring to. she showed the depth of her thinking, which it's quite apparent barely skims surface level. it was obvious the wheels weren't turning, she couldn't express a single thought on the issue.
September 13, 2008 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Preventive not Preemptive.
If you call it preemptive war, you're letting Bush define the policy dishonestly. It was preventive because Iraq was not about to attack us nor did anybody think they were. Iraq was just accused of trying to gain various capacities.
September 13, 2008 11:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
This has alot to do with what Dems expect of their candidates - experience, knowledge, curiousity, intelligence, empathy. GOPers want someone they can drink beers with or go shopping with. And the MSM has gone along with these expectations.
So as long as Palin could string a half dozen words together without drooling all over herself she meets their requirements.
September 14, 2008 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, Vice President
September 13, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama,
what silliness?
September 13, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's simple-- Follow the money.
Major news organizations are part of the fabric of corporate America. They depend on corporate sponsors for their advertising revenue. Their owners and publishers and editors and star newscasters are high net-worth individuals. They are deeply invested in preserving and protecting the status quo. The last thing they want is a populist movement that has the potential to disrupt their way of life. Why is anyone surprised that they are happy to spin political narratives in support of the Republicans?
September 13, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep...the corporate media and their parent companies, which cover elections and report 'the news', have a tangible financial stake in who wins elections which to me represents an obvious conflict of interest. And there is a lot of money on the line. There is no liberal media bias...just a corporate bias.
I do find Mr. Hundt's concern and outrage sincere but under his watch at the FCC media consolidation was given the green light and truly objective journalism has been under attack ever since as the sources of our information fall into the hands of fewer and fewer people.
And the worst is Faux News. I don't know how anybody can call Faux News anything else other than what it is...the propaganda arm of the RNC. A Brave New Media World where our information is cleared by Big Brother before broadcast...
September 13, 2008 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's why I hardly ever use the MSM as a primary source of information anymore leaving it to what I call "blog scouts" to report to us here in the internets what they are saying. If I want to watch the video Huff Post or TPM or some such usually has a video clip of it.
Why is this significant? Because the whole point of the Corporate Media is to get eyeballs glued to commercials and if our scouts do the work for us we can have our discussions in a lot cleaner environment than the couch potatoes do.
Sorry MSNBC and CNN and FOX but this is the new reality.
We are escaping the "cave" and going out into the sunlight.
Then again MSM might reform, and I sincerely hope so, but it is doubtful given the nature of the inherent corporate interest such as they are.
September 13, 2008 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am the same Andrew. I get the news on-line and only watch the MSM to see how they will report it...and more times than not that reporting leaves me shaking my head in disbelief.
September 13, 2008 11:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Libertine,
watch Brokaw on Meet the Press today. Brokaw is so far up McCain's ass his eyes are brown.
September 14, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
NPR made excuses for her this morning, too.
NPR (Nice Polite Republicans) was assimilated into the GOP message machine years ago. You can't quite blame the hosts - I imagine it was made pretty clear from the (Bush appointed) leadership that NPR would conform or die.
starting around 2001, the MSM began to stop questioning the reality presented to them. After 9/11, America was "unified." The MSM stopped their silly question asking, and was brought into the fold with fear of being called "unpatriotic".
If Obama gets in you can count on them suddenly rediscovering their inner Woodward and Bernstein.
September 13, 2008 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe its because many of the MSM outlets are owned by big corporations who benefit from republican business friendly policies.
I am practically apopletic about what is increasingly looking like a really bad movie ( multiple lies,cover-ups (in the making, I.e. Troopergate), vendettas, cronyism, acceptance of ignorance and incompetence in a potential president) playing out before our eyes
as reality. About half of the population seems to think that this is all perfectly acceptable behavior for republicans. Of course, lying about sex when done by Democrats is an impeachable offense. I really can't figure it out.
September 13, 2008 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clearly these folks are fighting hard to preserve their (and their bosses) Bush tax cut.
What's striking about the Washington Post article is that it does not cite a single example from the Post's own extensive archives where "the Bush Doctrine" had been used in a manner other than how Gibson defined it. I think that really gives the charade away.
September 13, 2008 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
c'mon! everyone in who works in the msm knows that if you want to vacation on martha's vineyard you go easy on republicans and make the gravy holding dem's feet to the fire. there are no secret memos or meetings. no secret handshakes or signals, just a history of those before you who rose or fell on the tone of their reporting. they all just know not to go out on a limb criticizing the gop.
ask olberman and matthews and their staffs. their demotions sent the message far and wide.
and the thing is, it's not just the corporate media that has this problem...
September 13, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps one of the reasons is because the press perceived Al Gore's "exaggerations" as self inflicted, and therefore much easier to attack & mock.
McCain is attacking his opponent, which is to be expected in a national campaign. Therefore the bar is naturally higher for reporters to call a candidate on their lies.
However, the Palin resume puffery is beginning to break through because it is similar to what the press accused Gore of. It's easier to mock someone's claims about themselves than it is to mock their attacks on an opponent.
September 13, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
that's pretty astute
September 13, 2008 10:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks.
September 14, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds like you're qualified to be VP, just in case Palin gets caught with a moose in her bed.
Can you see any foreign countries from your house?
September 14, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, but I've been to Kenya, Tanzania, New Zealand, Australia, most of Europe, and I once had a brief layover in the Phoenix Airport.
And I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
September 14, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds like you might be too cosmopolitan to be part of our McCain administration. I'll bet you can speak another language besides English, so i suspect you are a covert European or possibly a terrist.
September 14, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a bit funny but, you guys need to look in the mirror. America isn't turning away from Obama because he's black, a radical, a lefty, anti-war or any of that. Americans are turning away from Obama and towards McCain/Palin because McCain/Palin seem "normal". They are not throwing insults at everyone. They are finding the weak spots and hitting them time after time. Every time you guys post another statement insulting Palin or McCain another voter walks across the isle. Insulting McCain because he can't type or email? Didn't you see that coming? The Dude is handicapped and you slapped him. Palin being attacked for defending her sister from a an ex-husband? Didn't see the sense in that? Get a clue. Quit grabbing the bait.
September 13, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
But you've not been clued in to the fact that Anericans are currently divided 50-50 between Obama and McCain. So apparently half of the country would completely dispute your claims.
Furthermore, those of us who strongly support Obama feel that government officials shouldn't be using their power with subordinates to "take care of" family and friends. Maybe to you that's perfectly OK, though I suspect you'd be among the first to bitch and moan if your own governor was doing such a thing...
And we happen to think the Obamas are a helluva sight more normal than McCain and Palin, who have no problems being seen as liars. There's something strange about that, really, really strange and abnormal.
Sorry, but your arguments don't impress me whatsoever.
September 13, 2008 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
50-50? The Dude is sliding faster than a fat girl down a slip-n-slide! Ignoring the facts doesn't make you right. Look at what you have done! Obama had a chance. He could have won. But you went after Hillary like animals. You grabbed any weak spot and made out like she was a she-devil. Americans were shocked. Shocked that an attack like that could take place in a supposed civil society. Attacking the 1st woman to run for president? Now we have a POW and a Woman and you still attack? Are you fools? Can you not see the bear trap behind the carrion? My God! Get a civil clue! Quit being rude. Your rudeness has cost America and its standing in the world. It wasn't Bush or the War. It was your voice going out over the internet. The world sees Americans as a bunch if in-fighting babies. Obama is done. Thanks you, you internet typing fools. Throw out your insults. Attack everyone. It's not about agreement. It's about being mean in your heart. America an see this and they have turned against you. You cost Obama. Each of you.
September 13, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Our rudeness caused America's slip in the world?
Being a woman or a POW exempts you from any criticism?
Man, you are a complete fucking moron or another lame PUMA, but there's not much difference is there?
Take your old Sarg ass somewhere and blow it out your ass, assuming your colon still works.
Geriatrics who can't get it up anymore are really annoying.
September 13, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll defer this in response to your comments:
http://www.fuckthesouth.com/
September 13, 2008 8:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I looked you up, OldSarg, and something about you doesn't seem right. But that's OK. We'll indulge your ravings for what they are: ravings.
September 13, 2008 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually checking the lies spewed by Palin and McCain is not being insulting; it's called reporting. Too bad the media isn't in the tank for their beloved maverick anymore, his BBQ ain't that good.
Please provide us with all the insults levied at poor poor Palin and McCain. The email ad you refer to, shows that McCain is out of touch. Boo fucking hoo if his feelings get hurt or if he feels insulted. You think it doesn't play both ways? You must be really dense, or dumb, or both. Remember all the 'celebrity' ads at Obama? How's that not insulting? Remember Grampa Simpson calling Obama's patriotism into questions? How's that not personally insulting?
September 13, 2008 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, what the fuck are you talking about? You are taking an ad by the Obama campaign and filtering it through Jonah Goldberg's idiotic rantings. McCain can't type or email? Could you please prove that codswallop?
As for Palin and her brother in law, as a fellow human, I understand the desire to protect members of my family. As a citizen, however, I cannot respect using your public office for private purposes. Oil, meet water.
September 13, 2008 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Old Sarg,
you're delusional. You're the kind that gave us the Bush/Cheney gang and all they've wrought for the last 8 years, and now you're back trying to give us McCain/Palin. You're backing patholigical liars, user and hypocrites, and a morally corrupt Party that put this country in deep shit, in both foreign and domestic affairs.
About 4 or 5 years ago I was at breakfast with a friend, he's a Republican. We were talking politics and I suggested that Bush and his gang and the Republican Congress were destroying the Republican Party for at least a generation.
Since then, the Democrats took back both Houses of Congress, a number of long term Republican incumbents voluntarily retired (did they see Minority status for 30 years?) Some Republicans were forced to retire and some went to jail. Every rational person is predicting that the Democrats will add more House and Senate seats in this election.
Today, you have a young BLACK guy with little experience, someone unknown until about 10 months ago, and guess what, apart from the Palin bounce which is alreadys melting, he's beating your EXPERIENCED war hero in most of the polls.
Old Sarg, people like you are being relegatd to the dust bin of History, and your champions, the Republican Party, Bush and his gang in the House and Senate, put you there.
Give my regards to Tom DeLay, Good Luck.
September 13, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Johnny, say whatever you want. A two year hiatus of rule does not make a career. Congress is seen as a waste area where nothing is done. Bush/Cheney are seen by the majority of Americans as regular guys that tried, tried to defend the country. This isn't Vietnam all over. This is a new time. We know who is attacking who. We can smell it. We see it and guess what? It is all pointing back at you. You and your swill do everything you can to tear America apart but we won't be torn. You burn our flag an claim "freedom of speech". You attack our duly elected president and claim "fraud". You cling to "hanging chads", disenfranchised voters", "voter machine fraud". Normal Americans don't buy it. We know ACORN can't cheat on enough votes to let you win. We know that our neighbors are not total idiots. We will win and America will survive. We have faced tougher shit piles than you.
September 13, 2008 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, that's why McCain has Bush/Cheney out stumping for him.
September 13, 2008 8:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
OldSarg,
I assume you are getting McCain merchandise points for this nonsense you write here. I look forward to seeing you in a Palin pitbull t-shirt in the days ahead.
Seriously, do you and I live in the same country?
September 13, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
OldSarg, Let me give you an analogy.
During WWll when our Sherman tanks went up against a German Tiger, it was no contest. The Sherman's gun was too small, 75mm, and the Tiger's armor too thick, so the Sherman shell would just bounce off the Tiger. In effect, the Tiger was impervious.
You're like that Tiger tank, impervious. Impervious to fact, to truth, to reality.
You wallow in a world you created from hours and hours of listening to Limbaugh/Hannity types, and hanging out in right wing chat rooms where, lying, exaggeration, dissembling and rumor mongering rule. No lie, no exaggeration is too outlandish to disbelieve.
Bill Clinton? Yeah, he bombed Pearl Harbor and framed the Japanese!
Barak Obama pushed the iceberg in front of the Titanic! GET THE WORD OUT!
If the Republican party told you the world was flat you would quickly nail your feet to the floor in fear of sliding off.
Yep, impervious, that's you. The military should make bullet proof vests out of people like you and send them to Iraq.
September 14, 2008 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I saw an ad recently - I'll try to find the link - that showed the video clip of Palin in her Bush Doctrine moose-in-the-headlights moment contrasted with an older video of McCain who was asked his opinion of the Bush Doctrine and who didn't hesitate to answer the question - because he KNEW what that doctrine was.
I couldn't agree with you more about the dangers of a lazy media: that Palin, for instance, isn't boned up on the federal scene and that this is a serious concern about her candidacy and must be kept in the headlines. I, too, worry that the bar seems set so low that our VPs and Ps are asked by some to only know what WE, "the people" -know. That's a freakin' scary thought! Folks who specialize in federal governmental administration are supposed to know more about federal administrative issues than we, who specialize in local real estate or bartending or whatever....hello!
In any case, the only answer I have to your rhetorical question about the overall ethics of media is that we can't win by sitting back and wringing hands. We must continue to lobby them with our letters to the editor and our phone calls to their desks and our diaries here on TPM and other sites. Thanks to this kind of lobbying, folks on "The View" have already taken issue to McCain himself and so have many other prominent news writers and columnists, despite this Washington Post story you cite.
The media is not an invisible translator of facts and figures...it's an interpreter and distributor of its own interpretations, and our task must be to keep influencing their outcomes. The sooner we resign ourselves to this, the less time we'll waste worrying - and the more effective we'll become.
September 13, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes indeed! I just started re-reading the 2007 Vanity Fair article "Going After Gore" that detailed how the MSM did a hack job on Gore in the 2000 election. Please read if you get a chance!
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/10/gore200710
September 13, 2008 7:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
thanks for the link
September 14, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is, unfortunately, a double standard among the conservative media. Democrats, you see, are known to be smart, patriotic, and honorable, so when any crack appears, no matter how small, in their armor, the media piranhas pounce. Note John Edwards's and Bill Clinton's affairs and the media circuses around them. Now I'm not saying these weren't legitimate stories, but the media's OBSESSION with them was unhealthy for our country in both cases; particularly with Edwards's, since he wasn't even in the public eye anymore when his story broke.
Republicans, on the other hand, are known to be underhanded, flag-waving yet secretive veteran hating neocon warmongers, and liars. It takes a massive whopper to even appear as a blip on the conservative media's radar: even secret homosexual affairs and bungling an entire government agency won't start a feeding frenzy. Contrast Democratic affairs with McCain's two-timing filandering while he was still married to the first wife: can we even IMAGINE a world in which a Democrat with McCain's immoral relationship history could even appear on the national stage? I think not.
September 13, 2008 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Bush could lie this country into war, surely it is a small thing for McCain to lie his way into his chair
September 13, 2008 8:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I seem to recall that the bogus reporting about Gore's "problem" with the truth came most intensively in and after the 2000 debates, or that's when the false meme really sunk in.
I am hopeful that in the debates this year, McCain will be unable to explain himself on this point, showcasing his dishonest campaign and his own, exposing him utterly to many voters. I'm hopeful he'll be nailed by Obama, who may be helped along by a moderator or citizen/questioner. This would be nice for a change!
September 13, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
The whole sad story of "The War Against Gore" is on-line at The Daily Howler.
http://dailyhowler.com/
September 13, 2008 11:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Arm,
I read Somerby daily, his value is his use of quotes and naming names. :-)
September 14, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
The different approach that the media took with Gore than it takes with McCain is that during Gore's campaign his so-called exaggerations were painted as character flaws when with McCain and Palin's outright lies, they are dismissed as just run of the mill campaign rhetoric.
So it is the selectivity of dismissal and outrage that allows them to skewer the race one way or the other.
They did the same to Hillary professing "outrage" at every jab she took. They have been able to sink Gore, Kerry and Hillary's campaigns, now they are poised to sink Obama.
Sinking Obama is a much easier task since we are dealing with a substantial number of people who harbor racist sentiments in the first place and are just looking for an excuse not to vote for him so they can afford to be subtle about their biases.
September 14, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Balanced News
Twiddle-de-de:The mjoon is made out of swiss cheese
Twidle-de-dum; No the moon is made out of rocks
Balanced newscaster: Well maybe the moon is not entirely made out of swiss cheese but has some rocks in it too.
September 13, 2008 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
A stunning number of journalists and media talking heads continue to proffer the misbegotten idea that John McCain has been "body snatched" or can't posibly know what his campaign is doing. Carville, Matthews, Mitchell, even Arianna are stunned by McCain's behavior. Remarkably, he has not depleted that reservoir of goodwill, despite shutting out the press from the "Straight Talk Express" since July. So now the "Kewl Kids on the Bus" are upset about Palin and having no "in" on McCain campaign, other than what the campaign tells them what to think. I'm not sure going after the lies will be persuasive to pudgy middle of undecideds.
September 13, 2008 9:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
hahahah yes! body snatched. Wait till Carville wakes up and finds out that McCain really HAS sold out! He will be spitting nickels, and let's hope he does so in prime time! He won't be polite.
September 13, 2008 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
From the producers that brought you the Iraq War, record deficits and domestic spying comes the sequel, John McCain. Americans didn't like the first movie, so the writers decided to spray-paint the old plot gold and stick a cocktail-sized american flag in it.
OldSarg loved the first movie and will be the first in line to buy a ticket for its sequel. I think it's gonna flop, but we wont know until opening day.
September 13, 2008 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the press subservience to the GOP started much earlier. I remember when I first came to this country in 1981 being very surprised at how timid the press was. The reporters almost never challenged the interviewees with follow up questions, most of the press conf. were of one question-one answer format. They routinely allowed Reagan to pretend he didn't hear inconvenient questions thrown at him with the whirring helicopter in the background. However, I was told that in the previous year, Night Line opened every night with a count up of number of days the American hostages were held in Tehran.
Contrast that with the number of years that have elapsed without OBL being brought to justice.
Taling of 9/11, it happened under Bush's watch, how many reporters have ever pointed out that tiny fact? I just can't imagine a democrat being re-elected after an attack like that happened under his/her watch.
But the GOP keeps howling "liberal press" and the lap dog press obliges them by shutting out any criticisms of the GOP.
I read a lot of the commentors here and elsewhere say how Obama should respond to many lies of McCain, but if the press doesn't give it any air time, then what, it is really depressing to think about that.
September 13, 2008 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm glad that people are observing the American scene from parts abroad and I think your observations are shared with most of us here.
Just curious what parts unknown are you from?
September 14, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
This silliness of the fact
that a "talking head" Reed Hundt, using a media channel supported by advertising (TPM),
is going apopletic that
other "talking heads" - also known as opinion journalists - who use other media channels supported by advertising (TV and press)
are not joining his indignant protestations and talking points
will never cease to amaze me.
September 13, 2008 10:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're not amazed - you're a bullshitting Republican Party loyalist.
September 13, 2008 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lalo,
so you're comparing Josh Marshall and TPM to ex GE head Jack Welch and NBC?
How many people do each reach?
September 14, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dear Friends,
You really are making me sad and pessimistic.
You show good spirit in pushing back at the obvious troll who spouts nonsense, yet I get the feeling in too many comments that we the people cannot have any effect on the almighty media, and we must wait for one of them to become "fair," and otherwise conduct ourselves as subjects who must accept whatever the almighty media give out.
They've made it really hard for us push back with the intensity we need to show, yet now is the time to show it, it's 50 days and counting !! The broadcasters have moved most of their facilities to suburbs, so it's harder to gather and deploy a crowd against them, they assiduously hide themselves from complaints, some states have laws against secondary boycotts.
Yet we absolutely need to be picketing their facilities, coming up to and, as people feel it necessary, beyond the edge of legality in our confrontations of their employees, and their advertisers. They shouldn't be able to send their mobile broadcast vans out without gathering an angry crowd.
They are almighty billion-$$ corporations that own lots of lawyers and politicians, but in the end they are businesses, and they will change IF WE CAN AFFECT THEIR REVENUES. Their revenues come from advertising. If we can only affect their revenues by 2 or 3%, they'll shrug it off, the ultimate payoff of ownign politicians is higher.
If we can affect their revenues by 7-9%, it'll be marginal, they'll fight us with every trick in the book to demonize our names with their audience.
But if we can make the business climate so toxic for their advertisers, that their revenues decline by 15%, and they understand that the decline is because a large minority of citizens regard their media corporations as only slightly less evil than the Devil himself, they will change.
If we understand that REALITY IS MALLEABLE, that our actions and inactions have consequences, that we are citizens who need to defend ourselves and not consumer slugs who have take whatever the businesses are handing out, if we understand that if we lose this election WE WILL PROBABLY LOSE FREE ELECTIONS AND FAIR JUDGES AND UN-EVIL POLITICIANS -- FOREVER -- if we can understand these things, we will find a way to stop wanking around the blogs and act !!
This is it kiddies, if we haven't already lost all our rights irrevocably, this election is the crux.
The absolute freaking end of the land of the brave and the home of the free. And yes, the lousy lazy Democrats are a big part of the problem too, let your elected D. congress-critters know.
Temporarily in the next 50 days, letters to your local print outlets demonizing the broadcasters and narrowcasters for their atrocious standards of 'coverage,' their attitudes, and nonsense over the last year, may be a very good tactic even if that print outlet is also generally piggish. They do tend to print letters in proportion to general feelings, so if we can make this a general feeling, while playing the tactic of enlisting the fear that the print media have of the video media and working on some of the fault lines within the "journalism" industry, it will get printed and out there.
September 13, 2008 10:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Read Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media by Noam Chomsky (with Edward Herman).
September 13, 2008 11:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're a pathetic leftist moron! Democrats have destroyed the economy by pushing for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae to insure that minorities own homes they couldn't afford. Now guess who is paying for those homes while they still live in them? I am, you are and the rest of the American tax payers. You need to do some research before you open your uninformed, uneducated mouth! Democrats caused this, obama was part of taking all that money from those groups and then hiring the heads of those organizations to help run his campaign when those guys took millions from FM and FM. Wake the hell up. You must like socialism and marxism since you're obviously are pulling for THE most liberal person in Congress. Too bad obama wasn't in the room while you were being born because you wouldn't be here.
September 21, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think we are exactly wanking on the blogs here . I think we are fueling the revolution. These outlets here might not have the audiences that CNN might have, but this is a genuinely bottom up movement and not a top down operation. The ad revenue does not seem to interfere with the free flow of ideas that goes on here.
Hillary said one thing that I disagreed with somewhat: she said that it took Lyndon Johnson to implement Martin Luther King's agenda, thus (I'm guessing) implying a top down approach.
Technically she it is right but it is doubtful that Lyndon Johnson would have been motivated to make the changes in civil rights legislation ABSENT a preceding grass root movement of which Martin Luther King was a champion of.
September 14, 2008 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
that last 'of' is a boo boo.
September 14, 2008 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time magazine's Margaret Carlson admitted to Don Imus at the time, "You can actually disprove some of what Bush is saying if you really get into the weeds and get out your calculator, or look at his record in Texas. But it's really easy, and it's fun to disprove Al Gore. As sport, and as our enterprise, Gore coming up with another whopper is greatly entertaining to us."__Vanity Fair Article
What is amazing about the MSM is that they are not even ashamed to admit their vile corruption.
September 13, 2008 11:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Andrew,
I remember Carlson saying that, it was disgraceful. She wasn't covering a race for dogcatcher, she was covering a Presidential race
and she felt she could play some kind of unbalanced Gotcha game.
I rememebr Cokie Roberts appearing on one of the Sunday news shows. She was absolutely gushing when she said 'When I see these military guys with a chestfull of medals I believe everything they say.'
Most of today's "journalists" are vacuous, slothful purveyors of rumor, who find it much easier to pick up and write on what Drudge or whatever right wing propoganda is put out there than expend shoe leather and do serious reporting; they belong in the National Enquirer.
September 14, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Second that. It's a good distinction.
Anyway, the point of all this is not truth or fact checking or lies. The point is to suck all the media oxygen away from Obama, to deny him any space for getting his own message out except in reaction to whatever the McCain blitzkrieg is putting out that day.
In this situation it simply DOESN'T MATTER whether Palin or McCain is lying. All that matters is that they are setting the agenda, they are setting the battleground, and Obama is muscled off the stage. This is what Palin is for. It's just about impossible for her to screw up so massively that the GOP media spinners can't fuzz it up and soften it into meaninglessness. And so chasing after whatever lie or factoid about her past or whatever only serves to deprive Obama of any stage to get his message out. It's there game, and we're playing it. Sickening. Effective.
You could almost admire it, if it didn't mean the ruination of our country.
September 13, 2008 11:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well the system SAID I was replying to cswartout above, which is what I thought I was doing. Sigh.
September 13, 2008 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Put it another way: what's Obama's greatest political strength, from the GOP's p.o.v.? The ability to command massive audiences and media attention. So they apply the Rove Doctrine and go after his strength: accuse him of being a vacuous celebrity and at the same time deprive him of any media space of his own by 1) throwing up a constant barrage of deliberately "controversial" advertising, and 2) creating a media sensation of their own in Ms Palin, whose controversies, again, only serve to draw all attention away from the Obama campaign and deprive them of the means for getting their own message out.
It's all Palin all the time, even when she's being questioned or her errors and shortcomings pointed out. Which is fine for them, because the point is to leave no room for Obama on the national stage.
That ground game of his better be damn good.
September 13, 2008 11:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's a sin that you use a Fender Strat in your picture window. You must not be a player. You are a no-talent fake.
September 14, 2008 12:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now there was a substantive rebuttal. You clearly are here just to enjoy being an no-brains a**hole. Shall we share some more pointless invective?
B.t.w., that's a '72 that I bought new and I can shred your face off on it.
September 14, 2008 7:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
if you are referring to my avatar it is a representation of a Higgs Field which is a concept in modern particle physics.
Generally I don't respond to ad hominem drivel but you gave me the opportunity to explain to the legitimate community my avatar.
September 14, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
1. The media's bosses are conservative. These are huge corporations that depend on advertising dollars from other huge corporations. Duh.
2. Most of the media individuals are conservative. I have read that 90% of reporters identified themselves as liberal. I might believe that if it was 1976 but not now.
3. The Republicans cry foul all the time. I have heard this referred to as working the refs. It works. The media bends over backward for them.
4. Republicans are mean and vindictive. The media is afraid of them.
5. Republicans are organized and armed for war. They stay on message no matter what. They can flood media outlets with phone calls, letters, emails on command. We can see their influence as trolls on the blogs.
6. POW! Maverick!
That's just off the top of my head.
September 13, 2008 11:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
And it is a pretty good start in explaining exactly where the MSM is at right now...
September 14, 2008 12:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're right in deciding on why Obama lost now. Why wait for the election? It can't be that you tearing our nation apart had anything to do with it. It had to be the Republicans cheating again, They do it every time. Look at their voting record! Hanging chads! Swift-boating, Electronic voting. Voter ID! It's starting to add up. The more the damn Republicans want things to be open and accountable the more we lose! Damn those Acme Roadrunner Bastards!
September 14, 2008 12:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
BULLETIN: OldSarg dies of asphyxiation while trying to swallow an old large thermometer after reading the Republican party's report on the beneficial value of the element Mercury.
September 14, 2008 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's not forget to take a moment to recognize one of the wingnuts' main 'facts' that Al Gore was a 'serial liar':
"Doncha know he claimed to invent teh Internet, haw, haw!"
Like 99% of the rest of wingnut bloviation, this talking point was proven to be smoke and b.s., and the point was driven through by Vint Cerf and Robert Kahn, who are, in fact, two of the chief architects of the modern-day Internet, and they recognized Gore for his contributions in pushing through legislation that brought about the Internet as we know it today.
http://www.politechbot.com/p-01394.html
September 14, 2008 12:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
With respect to the MSM, it is very important to be aware of:
Who Owns What
The president of Viacom once said, in response to the question of whether he was voting for the Republican or the Democrat, that he was voting for Viacom--and that their interests would be best served by having the Republicans manage the FCC.
September 14, 2008 1:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
John McCain has a problem with the truth.
September 14, 2008 1:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
As long as everyone keeps on bowing to John McCain..."I respect him for his service..." he is going to keep right on lying, secure in the knowledge no one will ever call him on it. After all, he's a POW! He must not be touched!
Thank you to all the ladies of "The View" who won't tolerate this BS.
September 14, 2008 1:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Republicans campaign aggressively and with complete confidence. They intimidate the press. Democrats seem to believe they are unpopular and project insecurity, lack of confidence, and uncertainty. The press picks up on this weakness and reflects it.
Until the Democrats learn to stand up aggressively for their positions and demand their "rights" from the press as Republicans do they will continue to falter.
The Democrats are the party of weaklings and they project that weakness. This is what happens when you don't stand on principle and instead keep trying to triangulate in a desperate attempt to win votes. The MSM isn't at fault. The Democrats are simply paying the bill for having failed to articulate a strong, consistent vision for the country.
The Republicans have articulated that vision. It's the wrong vision. It's a disaster for the nation. But they articulate it with force and consistency.
The Democrats meanwhile are against the FISA bill and then for it . . . against drilling then for it . . . against faith-based intitiative then for them . . .
September 14, 2008 7:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sad but true.
I have always told anyone who is willing to listen to me here at the TPM Cafe that the American people when given the choice of voting for someone who they agree on policy but whom they perceive as weak-willed versus someone who they might not agree with on policy but projects strength, they will vote for the latter all the time.
Why that is might be an interesting sociological/psychological study. I have my views. I think that most people want above all to see strength in their leaders, policy details only comes second.
September 14, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reed,
I think, no I'm sure. You already know the answer to your question. Corporate America owns the media. More explaining than that would be redundant.
September 14, 2008 8:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
A couple of things to think about:
Obama has created the most powerful grassroots organization in Presidential campaign history. His strategy for bringing together voters and fundraising is going to be the model every campaign in 2012 tries to emulate.
Someone up thread made a very good point - Obama is a young black man with a foreign sounding name and look at how far he has come. Before the RNC he had consistently had a significant lead over an old rich white politician who was a POW. The fact that even at McCain's best point he is essentially even (or perhaps a 1-2 point lead) with Obama is telling. The GOP has some serious problems (not just relating to their stance on issues).
What's really benefiting the McCain/Palin campaign is the favorable press coverage as this thread pertains to. Regardless of all the lies, which the press themselves acknowledge, they are not putting McCain in the spotlight for it. The very fact that things like 'lipstick on a pig' got three solid days of coverage while the blizzard of lies from McCain/Palin are barely mentioned on TV (but are in print) just goes to show how TV journalism has ceased to become journalism and is just a place for infotainment.
Most undecideds at this point are just very uninformed people. The mere fact that you can still be undecided at this point in the campaign is proof enough that you are uninformed. Do you think these people read any national newspapers like the Times, Washington Post, WSJ, Tribune, etc? Not at all. They might read their local paper or US News, and they'll watch some TV news. Until the TV news organizations get back to being real journalists, the hypocrisy and dishonesty of the McCain campaign will go largely unchallenged. Go to the feedback section of all the cable news websites and let them know what you think and that you will stop watching them if they don't get serious and stop participating in the childish soap opera the McCain campaign is trying to pursue in order to avoid the issues.
September 14, 2008 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is either a liar and hypocrite or else senile and ignorant ---maybe all of the above .God help our country and the world if he and the self-described "lipstick-wearing pitbull" ( aka "Sarah Barracuda" ---and they're proud of this nickname!?!?!? ) are elected....that would constitute a triumph of ignorance, arrogance and hypocrisy unparalleled in our history....
September 15, 2008 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
We've had almost eight years of the Burger King in the White House. He served up one whopper after another during his first term and was re-elected. The Burger King continued the stream of whoppers during his second administration.
Nobody -- not the mainstream media and not even the Democrat Congress -- will come out and chant "Liar, Liar pants on fire".
Palin has served a stream of whoppers and the mainstream media refuse to call her false statements lies. She is doing rather well in the polls
The great question is why is McCain so timid in serving up whoppers?
September 15, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're an idiot. obama lies with devasting whoppers everytime he opens his lying mouth!! Tell obama to go to Larry Sinclair and get another blow job while doing blow!! Yeah, your man is a homo! Ever heard of any other women in his life other than his manly woman, Michelle? NOPE! Cuz he's a faggot!!
September 21, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Explain to me how obama is allowed to lie everytime he opens his mouth and his media darlings don't point it out? How about obama's mentors, friends, etc...? McCain has told truths and you can't handle it Reed Hundt. You're just another leftist liberal who is in the corner of obama and you're not capable of writing anything that is not biased toward your friend, obama. America sees how you treat obama and how you treat McCain, and guess what-we're tired of it. You wouldn't know journalism if it came up and bit you in the butt!
Explain to me how NBC, CBS and others should even be allowed to report anything in regard to elections when they are working on obama's campaign? Ever heard of conflict of interests? This is a bold one if you ask me.
Obama took the second highest amount from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and he did that being in office in only 2 years. The highest, Chris Dodd, was taking for 9 years. So if you go by the years in office, obama actually took the most of anybody from those two government run mortgage companies. What you got to say about that? NOTHING!!! McCain told the Senate in 2005 that something must be done or what happened will happen. What did the Democrats do, NOTHING!! Becasuse they were pocketing money from those 2 groups. What do you have to say about that? NOTHING!!
All you lefist liberal media hacks are the liars and when this election is over and McCain is in the White House, America will drop all you idiots like a bad habit!!
September 21, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're a pathetic leftist moron! Democrats have destroyed the economy by pushing for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae to insure that minorities own homes they couldn't afford. Now guess who is paying for those homes while they still live in them? I am, you are and the rest of the American tax payers. You need to do some research before you open your uninformed, uneducated mouth! Democrats caused this, obama was part of taking all that money from those groups and then hiring the heads of those organizations to help run his campaign when those guys took millions from FM and FM. Wake the hell up. You must like socialism and marxism since you're obviously are pulling for THE most liberal person in Congress. Too bad obama wasn't in the room while you were being born because you wouldn't be here.
September 21, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink