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Vice President Sarah Palin: It Is Over!

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I guess Mc Cain decided he can't win.

The last time anyone picked a VP with this little experience was Goldwater in '64. He picked William Miller, who no one had heard of, because "he drives Johnson nuts" and Goldwater knew he was going to lose anyway.

Romney would have been a serious choice. This is anything but. It suggests that Mc Cain himself is not a serious person. He's just playing.

Mc Cain thinks feminists still upset about Hillary will support a right-wing, anti-choice woman simply because she's a woman. He thinks it will drive the Democrats crazy. It won't. But it will cause the Republicans to think that Mc Cain has lost his mind,

He hasn't. But he has lost the election.


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They gave up! She has NO experience! Sure, she owned a small fishing business, was mayor for a rural town and Governor for only 2 years. Why Obama can wipe the floor with his 152 day in the Senate experience!

Obama blew it by passing on Hillary!

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Old Sarg,

Consider the following scenario;

President McCain dies in office, we then have President Palin.

President Obama dies in office, we than have President Biden.

Iran, Russia, N Korea bubble, our casualties in Afghanistan are increasing exponentially, and India and Pakistan are glaring at each other.

Choose your President

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Palin vs. Putin. Any questions?

Lets bring up education just for giggles:

McCain - Naval Academy grad that skated through due to patriarch connections

Sarah Palin - University of Idaho, Major Journalism


Obama - Columbia University (Major PoliSci specializing in International Relations) and Harvard Law (magna cum laude)- Constitutional Law Professor - University of Chicago

Biden - University of Delaware (Double major PoliSci and History) and Syracuse Law School Grad. Passed bar in 69, US senator by 72 - 2 years after passing the bar. Adjunct Professor at Widener University School of Law teaching Constitutional Law

Humm I kinda want someone who knows about constitutional law in office especially after an administration who spent the last 8 years pissing and burning our constitution. And I damn sure don't want someone as another president who has no knowledge in upholding the laws of this country.

Damned educated elitists. Let's get some real people in the White House for a change.

;-)

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Yeah, we're all sick of "experts" doing things like flying our planes and running our power plants.

I know: everyone should just change jobs every three days!

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A significant part of the white Catholic older female Democratic voter demographic that Obama is having trouble with IS anti-choice.

The feminists who took a good look at Obama in part because of his mistreatment of Hillary have decided in droves to vote McCain despite knowing his anti-choice record so this pick isn't going to hurt.

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Palin is hamburger. NARAL, Planned Parenthood and the rest will rip her to shreds.

Do you mean like they tear apart unborn kids?

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Yeah, like they tear apart unborn kids. Exactly like that. And then they put ketchup on them and eat them.

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Now that made me laugh, what with the avatar.

excellent point.

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Personally, I like mine with hot sauce. But that's just me.

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This is kind of silly. It sounds like McCain made this pick last week, prior to the Democratic convention, before the events of the last week took 90% of the wind out of the PUMA sails.

White, older Catholic, pro-life females have already been voting Republican for years. What voters is this pick designed to pick up exactly?

I hope that's right. These women do *love* Sarah. Long as it stays among them!

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Where do you get this crap???? Nobody really knows how ANY demographic is really going to vote once they are in that booth.

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Droves? Mistreatment? What are you talking about?

**Really, dude? You can't see the difference between Hillary and Palin?

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Mc Cain thinks feminists still upset about Hillary will support a right-wing, anti-choice woman simply because she's a woman. He thinks it will drive the Democrats crazy.

One hopes Hillary will point out to her supporters just how clearly this shows McCain's deep contempt for women. God, I hope Hillary's supporters aren't as bitter and stupid as McCain obviously believes they are.

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I must protest: McCain doesn't have contempt for all women.

Look, he offered up his own wife as a contestant in the "Miss Buffalo Chip" contest, and here he's gone and picked a runner-up Miss Alaska as his, err... running mate.

Clearly McCain has an eye for eye-candy.

Do you mean like they tear apart unborn kids?

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No. Probably more like the way the Republicans tear up the Constitution.

But what the Hell I don't care if you pin your hopes on the abortion issue, troll. I am sure it is the single one issue most Americans are concerned about in our very troubled times...

or then again...

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OldSarge,

the Republican ticket is now complete;

Jubilation T Cornpone and Daisy Mae

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Some of the unborn fetuses are kids, some aren't. Depends on the stage of development, just as Roe v. Wade said. No one advocates killing kids, Old Man. Except right wingers who send them off to pointless wars.

Also posted on another thread:

Help me out with a question here - don't you have to be 45 to be president? Wikipedia lists her birthdate as February 11, 1964 - which would mean that she will be 44 for roughly a month after being sworn in as VP? And doesn't the constitution say that the VP has to meet the same qualifications as the president? What am I missing?

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I haven't checked recently but the Constitution says very little about the duties of the VP, even less about qualifications. The VP was whichever candidate came in second in the presidential election, and his/her only function was to act as a standby in case the president died or was incapacitated. The only real function of the VP was to act as president of the senate and case a tie-breaking vote if one was needed.

It was only later (I forget which administration) that the President and VP had to come from the same ticket. This ambiguity in the definition of the VP's role is the basis of the silly argument put forth by Cheney/Addington that the VP is not part of the Executive Branch.

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I think McCain picked her because he wants to DO her. Face it: the guy has a history of lecherous behavior. Little John made this pick from Slightly-Bigger John's pants.

Wow! You are "bent".

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Not as bent as she'll be--over McCain's desk, OldSarg.

Kudos, kittybunny, for keeping the discourse civil by using the future tense here, rather than suggesting something sleazy about her interviews with McCain. Republican values demand that she save herself for the oval office.

Wow! You are "bent". There is seriously something wrong with your thinking. You need to see a professional.

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No, sarg. You need to pull your head out.

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Hey hrebenforf:

Looks like you've picked up an obsessive troll. And he appears to have an unhealthy interest in whether you're "bent" or not...

Yuck!

he is not bent he is just your regular uninhibited shmuck. Kinda refreshing around these parts.

The avatar? too close to his personae for comfort I'd say.

A trophy wife, a trophy running mate, and the promise of nominating the Swedish Bikini Team to the Supreme Court.

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Now that made me nearly fall off my chair. Bravo Bob.

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hreb,

she was just on CNN with McCain; she was talking and McCain was to her right, he kept looking down at her boobs.

This video will be shown again.

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As I said above:

Clearly McCain has an eye for eye-candy.

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Sarah Palin?

If McCain wanted to pick a Republican woman as a running mate who might have brought woman voters to his side he should have picked someone like Jodi Rell, Governor of Connecticut, from my state. She would have been a serious choice which would have actually worried me a bit. But alas she doesn't pass the 'litmus test'...she is pro-choice and signed our state's civil union law after it was passed by the legislature.

Sarah Palin?

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Actually, this is the best choice McCain could have made. All of what Dems perceive as Palin's negatives either endear her to the GOP base or blunt Obama-Biden's ability to attack the GOP ticket.

Little experience: but it's "executive" experience
Anti-choice: she has a disabled kid
State-house scandal: she's a maverick
Plus she's a woman - POW!

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So you think this pick by McCain was made just to shore up his base? If so MJ is absolutely right McCain will lose. If McCain feels he can't even count on his base to support him it is over...fini, everyone drive home safely.

Just what we need, another fruitcake Republican, a former mayor of a town of 8,000 in Alaska (a state known for its alcohol and chew tobacco consumption) running with an old guy that his own party rejected for a nitwit from Texas 8 years ago. Who is also entering early stages of dementia. Palin is a female version of Clarence Thomas.

McCain, whose only smart moves in life have been (1)being born to a paternal tree of admirals, and (2)marrying a rich Bud heiress - has got to be kidding that this woman is the best qualified person he could find to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

This may be a smart move for McCain, Sarah Palin has five kids including one with Downs syndrome and even though the republican party does every thing it can to make sure that people with handicapss wind up living on the street, Palin's personal story will make her seem like a compassionate person.

Her story also makes her appealing to the soccer moms out there, a mother of five who is a very successful career women.

One think Karl Rove knows about is how to appeal to the low information voter and he just hit a homerun with this one.

"Her kid has Down's and I'm a POW. It's Labor Day Weekend... Won't you do it for Jerry's Kids? er, I mean, Americans? Americans who used to be POWS?

I'm John McCain and I approve this message."

I am trying to get my head around wanting a 24-7 365 day a year job with a 5 month old baby. I sure she can get all the help she needs and more, but wanting to.

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Her biggest drawback:

--Absolutely no experience, and could become commander-in-chief, especially given McCain's age.

--But how do you bring up his
age --and mortality--without offending a great many older voters?

--The fact that she is an anti-choice woman is also a drawback--for liberals. But I have to assume that pro-choice progressives would never vote for McCain anyway.

Her assets:

-- Son joined the military last year, at 18. Is going to Iraq next year. This balances Biden's son and raises obvious question for Barack: Would you let your daughters go?

--It will be hard for Biden to attack her in the
debates without seeming like a bully and further turning off the women who thought Hillary was mistreated.

-- I would guess she would appeal to moderate women in the heartland who are ambvialent about abortion.

-- By picking her, McCain has successfully drawn attention away from Obama's speech last night, Hillary's speech, Michelle's speech . . .


--She's a new, fresh face. People are simply tired of everyone now in the campaign (with the possible exception of Biden). This campaign has gone on Far Too Long. There won't be enough time to get tired of Palin between now and the election.

In part, I'm just play Devil's advocate, but
McCain is wily . . . I disagree with Rosenberg:
this does not signal that the race has ended.

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Interesting points Maggie...

But I am sure if I fully agree. I don't think Biden would attack her, or any VP candidate McCain picked, in the debates anyways. I think Biden will be focusing his attacks on McCain and McCain alone. I see no reason to 'attack' her.

What were her accomplishments in Alaska? You do say that her experience is a draw back. Attacking that could be a double edged sword because it would give McCain the opening to attack Obama on the same grounds. But I used Jodi Rell as an example of a pick which would have worried me. Was at the point in our state's bi-partisan effort which successfully saved the Sub base. She has effectively worked with an overwhelmingly democratic legislature to get legislation passed. Et cetera. Does Palin have any kind of professional resume of accomplishment?

I see picking Palin as one done from desperation. He feels he needs to get disaffected Hillary voters in order to win. Which indicates that he feels the traditional republican base can't be counted on this time. Will Palin, who is pro-life and solidly conservative, be able to get democratically leaning women who feel that Hillary was wronged to support candidates who share none of their values and will work against their agenda?

I view the pick of Palin, to use a football analogy, as a 'Hail Mary pass'.

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Libertine,


.... I don't think Biden would attack her...

Biden won't attack her, but he will make her defend the Republican antics of the Bush gang and the Republican congress.

@ Maggie Mahar


Obama gave a great speech last night, one which certainly made a lot of independents like me want to vote for him. I should have no trouble doing so, since I much prefer his domestic policies and probably can live with his foreign policy proposals given the constraints he faces.


But then I think about his base, people like Rosenberg. Can anyone be any dumber, any more partisan, any more parochial, any more of a cowardly , armchair, P.O.S.? The man actually believes that all women and minorities are of one mind. It never occurs to him that they aren't, for the same reasons are white men aren't. Nor has he considered that it is a good thing for this country that both parties and all positions seem willing to open their tent to whoever agrees with their policies, positions, and ideologies, regardless of skin color or gender.


The only thing that prevents me from AUTOMATICALLY opposing anything and anybody Rosenberg supports is my knowledge that there are plenty of people just at dumb supporting McCain.

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offensivetoyou said;

But then I think about his base, people like Rosenberg. Can anyone be any dumber, any more partisan, any more parochial, any more of a cowardly , armchair, P.O.S.?

I read the above and immediately asked myself; Why did he feel the need to bring Mr. Rosenberg into this and why the need for the vicious insults?

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Did you miss the fact that this is a Rosenberg post?

The conservative base will rally to Palin. The question is, now that they have an alternative, will Hillary's women and blue collar base rally to Obama?

It's over? Does that mean we don't have to work for Obama, give him more money or even vote?

The question is, now that they have an alternative, will Hillary's women and blue collar base rally to Obama?

huh?? why do hillary's women and blue collar 'base' now have an alternative???

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Democrats have to avoid two very big traps here:

1. Every time we say "she's too inexperienced", Republicans will say, "If she is too inexperienced to be vice president, why is Obama not too inexperienced to be president?"

2. My guess is that McCain has very cynically selected Palin as "bait". She is such an easy and vulnerable target - already the jokes have started about beauty queens, Miss Congeniality, polar bears, snowmobiles, pretty faces, teensy-tiny Alaskan towns, etc. - that he is counting on partisan Democrats, particularly partisan Democratic males, to get very aggressive with her and start roughing her up mercilessly. Even if Democratic partisans and bloggers don't do it, we can expect people like Jimmy Kimmel, David Letterman and Jay Leno to do it. This could cause a backlash against some of the women voters still smarting about the treatment of Clinton. It could also cause a backlash among rural voters who don't take kindly to big city smartasses mocking sparsely populated and "unsophisticated" states like Alaska.

I think the thing to do here is to treat Governor Palin with unfailing courtesy and respect, as is due to any governor of one of our states, stick entirely to the issues when discussing her views, and generally speaking stay away from the the experience issues and personal characterizations that are such tempting targets for humor. Let voters make up their own minds without the unattractive piling on from wags and pundits.

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It is a jujitsu move.

An absolutely asinine and completely irresponsible choice, but I think it's meant to take away a target from Biden, etc.

And then the basic, ugly cynicism (which illustrates the level of desperation inherent to such a pick):

"You've got a black man? We've got a white woman!" Now that's change you can actually vote for!

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Well said.

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Excellent analysis!

"1. Every time we say "she's too inexperienced", Republicans will say, "If she is too inexperienced to be vice president, why is Obama not too inexperienced to be president?"

Consider that McCain has already tried so hard to frame Obama as being inexperienced. He's already sprung that very same trap on himself: rather than the democrats saying Palin is too inexperienced, they only have to ask, "If OBAMA is too inexperienced to be president, why is PALIN not too inexperienced to potentially serve as president should something bad happen to McCain?"

@ Maggie Mahar


Who is Sarah Palin? Here's a good profile


In addition she's a real looker. I don't expect progressives to agree, but this is how Republicans and Conservatives see her, and this is why McCain's choice looks brilliant rather than stupid and defeatist.


Now it was easy to find this profile, yet Rosenberg and most of those who've posted in support made no effort to do so.

Obama's daughters are too young to even be considered. If Obama serves 2 terms Malia would only be 18. So it is a non-issue.

The debates will only serve to expose that she is completely unable to handle the demands of President of the Senate, where she would be well over her head. In addition, her lack of national and domestic policy will only be exposed as short comings. The media is hunger to know more, and I am sure that once footage is received of the city where she was mayor and locals express their feelings it would will dispel any real support McCain may have garnered. I don't think I have seen one real republican who believes that this was a good idea.

This may be a smart move for McCain, Sarah Palin has five kids including one with Downs syndrome and even though the republican party does every thing it can to make sure that people with handicapss wind up living on the street, Palin's personal story will make her seem like a compassionate person.

Her story also makes her appealing to the soccer moms out there, a mother of five who is a very successful career women.

One think Karl Rove knows about is how to appeal to the low information voter and he just hit a homerun with this one.

You said it JohnRove. People here are snickering about the youtube vid where she doesn't know what a vice president does. But if you read the comments, they're mostly positive. Stuff like, she uses the word "cool" that's like really authentic, wow.

You'll never go broke understimating the intelligence of the American public, and the Republicans never have.

and I venture to say, this isnt' just a choice to appeal to women, but a choice to appeal to the young (and brainless). But they have to fell "cool" about voting Republican somehow.

You said it JohnRove. People here are snickering about the youtube vid where she doesn't know what a vice president does. But if you read the comments, they're mostly positive. Stuff like, she uses the word "cool" that's like really authentic, wow.

You'll never go broke understimating the intelligence of the American public, and the Republicans never have.

And I'd venture to say, this isn't just a choice to appeal to women, but a choice to appeal to the young (and brainless). They have to feel "cool" about voting Republican somehow.

Yeah, it's great. Her fifth child was born last April with Down Syndrome. Pretty rough stuff. Except that she goes to work two days later! (Just what any newborn wants in a mother, especially one with serious health issues.) Now, with Down Baby only five months old, mommy can't think of anything better to do than to get away from the thing and run on a national campaign for the White House.

She's against abortion, but apparently not against child abandonment.

Good timing on McCain's part too. Knocked down headlines of Obama's speech on most internet news sites.

This was John McCane in the supermarket again. "Clean up on Isle 5."

The way he "steals" headlines from Obama is by stumbling.

Obama's got two hundred thousand Germans waiving American flags! Oh, look, McCane's eating bratwurst.

Obama's dropping three-pointers with the troops! Oh, look, McCane almost got hit by a cascade of applesauce.

Obama's speech last night in Denver will be described for generations as one of the all-time great moments in American political stage craft and oration. Oh, look, McCane has nominated, um, Sarah Somebody.

This was John McCane in the supermarket again. "Clean up on Isle 5."

The way he "steals" headlines from Obama is by stumbling.

Obama's got two hundred thousand Germans waiving American flags! Oh, look, McCane's eating bratwurst.

Obama's dropping three-pointers with the troops! Oh, look, McCane almost got hit by a cascade of applesauce.

Obama's speech last night in Denver will be described for generations as one of the all-time great moments in American political stage craft and oration. Oh, look, McCane has nominated, um, Sarah Somebody.

It's over. She just finished speaking. MSNBC has even come over to her side already. She is pulling the media totally away from Obama. The battle ground has changed.

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You're one serious fool.

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Wow.

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Sarge? I think that shrapnel is rubbing up against something important in there.

No, there, yeah, see that...yeah, between your ears there. That's it. Okay. Just breathe, stay nice and still.

I'm astonished. I had expected a boring safe pick along the lines of Romney. I think McCain has shown brilliant political sense in picking Palin, and he's stomped all over the Dems' convention bounce to boot.

this was the absolute smartest thing McCain could have done. forget about a GOP snoozefest next week: it's a race again!

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Yeah, I'm astonished, too. That McCain would put an Alaskan beauty-queen mayor a heartbeat away from the presidency.

If that doesn't demonstrate his contempt for American voters, nothing does.

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Are you saying beauty queens are inherently unqualified to be president?

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No, I would never dream of implying that someone who dresses up in a bathing suit and heels to parade around in front of judges and be scored on her appearance is somehow not cut of presidential timbre. I think her background and choices and sense of self-esteem and modern femininity are every bit equal to HRC's.

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This is quiet obviously a political stunt and one would hope that the people (particularly the women) of this country see it as such. I seriously questions the Republican party's commitment in this as a serious VP selection.

After 8 years of Dick Cheney virtually (and some would say literally) pulling the strings behind the scenes and expanding the power of the VP to unprecedented levels are we to believe that the Republican party seriously wants this nation to believe that they now want to hand that position over to a women? Really?

So with their newly expanded office of Vice President the Republican party wants us to believe they think a woman is prepared to make decisions on the gravest of matters that face our nation (and to literally be a few heartbeats away from the Presidency) when they don't even believe a woman is capable of making decisions about her own body? Yeah right.

As far as the MSM's coverage on this... of course they will fall all over themselves to report this "breaking story". But IMHO this reflects not so much an orchestrated effort to downplay Obama but more accurately it reflects the severely broken state of the press in our nation and it's disturbing tendency to try to "balance" the news instead of simply reporting it on it's own merits. They will give McCain's VP selection a ton of hollow air time but never once will they point out the obvious and insincere nature of WHY they chose her for the position. And please note that I, like many others I'm sure, am not very familiar with Sarah Palin nor her record while in office.

Color me skeptical.

What about this? John McCain doesn't want to win and in fact is frightened of undertaking the job in the off-chance that he prevails in November. He's the sacrificial lamb of the Republicans, who know that this is Obama's year. He wants to retire and be a funny elder statesman who sometimes appears on talk shows but is nevertheless taken seriously and treated with respect. The tightening polls panicked him and he decided to choose most ludicrous running mate possible. The thought of the veep debate brings a smile to my face.

If you watch the announcement clips, the body language is amazing, and telling:

McCain can't look her in the eye, except for a couple of times when he has this incredibly insecure look, raising his eyebrows, blinking several times, like he just got a birthday present that he knows doesn't fit and he trying to show enthusiasm.

Pretty pathetic. It's almost sad.

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I agree with Dan on this...I think it would behoove us all to not underestimate Palin. While I certainly think McCain picked in part because of her physical attractiveness she is the governor of a state. Do not dismiss her as a lightweight or attack her as a 'beauty queen'.

As Josh pointed out at the Mothership she is embroiled in a scandal in Alaska which I think is fair game to question her about. I think she needs to be vigorously and aggressively questioned on a whole host of policy issues. The American people need to know where she stands if she is gonna one heartbeat away from the presidency.

It is a daring, and in a sense, desperate pick. She needs to be critiqued as any other candidate would be without employing any mysoginistic attacks...lets see what she is made of politically. I have a feeling it is 4 more years of the last 8.

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I'm not "attacking her as a 'beauty queen.'"

I'm saying she is a beauty queen, no quotes.

And I'll very politely disagree that disparaging someone who's a heartbeat away from the presidency for being someone whose credentials include walking around in front of judges in a bathing suit and high heels before embarking on her remarkable and impressive political career managing a national park is mysoginistic.

Please.

She may be just the ticket for McCain. I never overestimate the intelligence of the American people And if she is, the same idiocy that painted Dubya as a sympathetic character will be rampant again.

Like the photos of her prancing around are a serious help sitting across from Ahmedinejad. Or Putin.

There oughta be a law.


Attacking her on the investigation would be the way to attack her! When it comes out she tried to get a police officer fired for beating his wife, tasering a ten year old, shooting a cow moose out of season and get a DWI while on duty in a squad car, she is sure to go down! Oh, his name is Wooten. Look it up.

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Yeah, sure OldSarg.
The state trooper was her brother-in-law (in the midst of an apparently ugly custody fight), the 10-yr old reportedly requested trying the taser on the test setting, and her(Gov. Palin's) own father was a party to the moose hunt.
If you have an cite for the allegation of spousal abuse, please supply it - I haven't seen it in any other sources thus far and if true, it could help mitigate her highly inappropriate actions in the case. Be careful where you're getting your info - I think someone is trying to play you for a useful idiot.
Also, I must say that the invokation of executive privilege in the case certainly is at odds with her reputation as a reformer and proponent of open government.

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Yeah, sure OldSarg.
The state trooper was her brother-in-law (in the midst of an apparently ugly custody fight), the 10-yr old reportedly requested trying the taser on the test setting, and her(Gov. Palin's) own father was a party to the moose hunt.
If you have an cite for the allegation of spousal abuse, please supply it - I haven't seen it in any other sources thus far and if true, it could help mitigate her highly inappropriate actions in the case. Be careful where you're getting your info - I think someone is trying to play you for a useful idiot.
Also, I must say that the invokation of executive privilege in the case certainly is at odds with her reputation as a reformer and proponent of open government.

@ kenga


Is Wooten a good trooper? (7/27/08)
The source of the allegations. Now let's see the source for your claims.

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Dan K is right, Democrats had better be careful.
Don't mock her.

Someone asked a good question:what has Pallin done in office?

For one, "she took on the oil industry, instead presiding over a tax increase on oil company profits that now has the state's treasury swelling"

People will love that.

Also, she's gutsy: "Palin's confrontations with the state GOP began when Murkowski named her chairwoman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission. There, Palin exposed current Alaska Republican Party Chairman Randy Ruedrich, who was also on the commission, for ethical violations.

"In 2005, Palin co-filed an ethics complaint against Murkowski's longtime aide and then attorney general, Gregg Renkes, for having a financial interest in a company that stood to gain from an international trade deal he was helping craft."

Finally : "she opposes gay marriage — constitutionally banned in Alaska before her time — but exercised a veto that essentially granted benefits to gay state employees and their partners."

Oh, and she beat two former Governors to become governor.

Did I mention that her youngest child is a Downs' Syndrome baby that she knew had Downs Syndrome--but she decided to continue with the pregnancy anyway?

Finally, consider her children's names: "Track, 19; Bristol 17; Willow 14; Piper, 7, and baby Trig."

Yes,I know, the names are hilarious. But many will find them wonderful-- so, "all -American." They could be the names of the kids on a really, really cute sitcom.

"Track" enlisted in the Army in 2007 on the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, and has been assigned to Fort Wainwright in Fairbanks.He is scheulded to go to Iraq this year.

The first elitest East Coast pundit who makes fun of the kids names will be asked: "Is your son in Iraq? Why not?"

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Gee, Maggie Mahar,

maybe Sarah Palin should be at the top of the ticket instead of McCain. Ya think?

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Nice job on the research Maggie. The fist comment out of an Obama campaign official was a bit too sharp, but they recovered quickly:

"We send our congratulations to Governor Sarah Palin and her family on her designation as the republican nominee for Vice President. It is yet another encouraging sign that old barriers are falling in our politics. While we obviously have differences over how best to lead this country forward Governor Palin is an admirable person and will add a compelling new voice to this campaign."

In a way, I think the thing to do here is just say little at all about Palin and let the country decide whether she is a suitable person to be vice president, particularly in a McCain administration.

@ Maggie Mahar

The first elitest East Coast pundit who makes fun of the kids names will be asked: "Is your son in Iraq? Why not?"

Rosenberg could answer that.

"My family is too good for any stupid war. Let other, less responsible, parents sacrifice their kids."

That'll go over really well.

Troublesome, sure, but not untouchable.

Windfall taxes on oil? Sounds like she agrees with Obama.

Carried her Down-syndrome baby to term? Sounds like she made a CHOICE which is all Planned Parenthood asks that women be allowed to do.

Abuse of power? Again? Just like Bush? It's commendable that it's for the 'right reasons (dude was a bully)' BUT is that really what you want loose in the White House again?

Creationist...again, this is NOT a Christian state. This is the United States of America and we have a separation for a reason.

Will she appeal to the Right-wing fundie base? Absofreakinlutely. But all in all, handleable.

Maggie, seriously, are you a "concern troll"? I'm not kidding, I'm asking? She "took on the oil companies"?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The oil companies have no more fervent and devoted advocate anywhere in the United States Goverment than Sarah Palin. No one, nowhwere.

Maybe you need to go vote for her. Maybe she represents something new and exciting to you! You could give money!

But please, don't try to sell that shit here. We don't need any.

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Dan K--

Yes, we want to stay far away from the personality
politics.

Good response from the Obama campaign.

And no JohnW 141, I'm not suggesting that she
is qualified to be president, just that
mocking her--or simply dismissing her-- is a very bad idea.

So what do you think? McCain knows he is going down, but at least he's going down as a "maverick." First Republican to pick a female VP running mate is one for the history books, my friends.

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Thanks-- it is a very good profile.

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I can see it now.

About 25 minutes into the vice-presidential debate on Oct. 2 in St. Louis, Gov. Sarah Palin will invoke the name of Hillary Clinton when giving an answer about her life and qualifications.

Moderator Gwen Iffil will then turn to Sen. Biden to ask for his response.

There will be a brief pause before he says:

"Governor, I served with Hillary Clinton; I know Hillary Clinton; Hillary Clinton is a friend of mine. Governor, you're no Hillary Clinton."


That's plagirism, my friend. Even Biden is not dumb enough to open himself up to that one. Thank god professionals are running the Obama campaign.

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Billy Glad

What's a little plagiarism among friends?

Best wishes,

Deval Patrick

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John Latimer,


HAHAHAHAHHAA, good one :-)

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On the scandal that Josh wrote about:

Palin had her ex-brother-in-law, who is a State
Trooper, fired.

Palin's sister and the ex-brother-in-law are in
engaged in a serious custody battle over their kids.

Assuming that McCain is going for some of HRC's
voters, many women would be sympathic with Palin's sister--without knowing any of the facts of the case.

They see state trooper husband-- maybe a bully??

A woman fighting for her kids.

Palin protecting her sister,

No doubt Palin over-stepped her authority, but unless the state-trooper husband is a very nice guy, appealing on TV and doesn't seem angry (in other words a very unusual man in the middle of a divorce) this may not hurt Palin with the voters
McCain needs.

The case is to be settled in November. So you would think they case has been perused.

It turned out to have been a staff member of Palin who had made the call. The staff member was suspended by Palin. The only issue is why the abusive cop isn't in jail.

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According to the Wikipedia account, the investigation of Palin is not because she fired the trooper, Mike Wooten, but because she fired Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. Monegan alleged that the reason he was fired is because Palin wanted him to fire Wooten, and he refused.

correct.

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According to the Wikipedia account, the investigation of Palin is not because she fired the trooper, Mike Wooten, but because she fired Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. Monegan alleged that the reason he was fired is because Palin wanted him to fire Wooten, and he refused.

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Dan K--

You're absolutely right. See my comment
below,
cheers, Maggie

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Maggie Maher,

Although it may happen with many, it seems to me that any woman that was a Hillary supporter and who will now vote for McCain, was a Hillary supporter simply because Hillary is a woman. Its that group Hillary was addressing in her speech.

I think Obama is closer to what Hillary thought important for this country than McCain, so I would see these woman switchers as perhaps cutting their noses off to spite their face.

By the way, wait till they get a load of the Supreme Court justices McCain appoints. At least two, and that will cement the right wing on those benches for a generation

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There are some Xlinton supporters (of the Geraldine Ferraro ilk) who will use the Palin factor as ANOTHER reason to vote against Obama. Not all of them are women.
But none of them would be likely to vote for Obama anyway. None of them would vote for any black man (or woman) Period.
They will be outnumbered by the Nixon-Eisenhower-Rockefeller-George W. Bush Republicans who are sickened by the neocon takeover of their party and will vote for Obama.
I don't really believe Obama has it in the bag (there are lots of racists out there) but, thanks to the convention, Biden, and the efforts of Bill and Hill, I think we are pretty damn close.

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That was Clinton not Xlinton!

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Actually, I kind of liked Xlinton. I thought it meant ex-Clinton supporters. A kind of internet shorthand. I think we should all adopt it.

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I think Rosenberg simplifies.

There are women (mainly over 50) who suppoorted Hillary who won't vote for Obama because they don't like his supporters and the media pundits who treated her so badly.

They supported Hillary because she is a woman--and a smart woman-- and they had waited many years to see a woman become a serious candidate for president.

There also are women who won't vote for Obama because they are angry Hillary didn't win and because he is black. They may or may not acknowledge that race is an issue--even to themselves--they just feel he "should have waited his turn." (Which is a way of saying he's "uppity.)

Obama could win the first group back.

But there is now a danger that some--even many-- of them vote for Palin because she is a woman, and in her own way, a strong, accomplislhed woman?

Depends on how she handles herself on a national stage.

As for the coalition of Republicans that Rosenberg thinks will vote for Obama--they may well like this woman.

I think Rosenberg simplifies.

** I'm sure you do.

There are women (mainly over 50) who suppoorted Hillary who won't vote for Obama because they don't like his supporters and the media pundits who treated her so badly.

** This is a McCain line. You're with McCain, aren't you? How badly did they treat Maggie, hold her to the rules, did they?

They supported Hillary because she is a woman--and a smart woman-- and they had waited many years to see a woman become a serious candidate for president.

** So they're "gender feminists." Misandrists, in other words.

There also are women who won't vote for Obama because they are angry Hillary didn't win and because he is black. They may or may not acknowledge that race is an issue--even to themselves--they just feel he "should have waited his turn." (Which is a way of saying he's "uppity.)

** Your are concerned!

Obama could win the first group back.

But there is now a danger that some--even many-- of them vote for Palin because she is a woman, and in her own way, a strong, accomplislhed woman?

** Lots of people will vote for her for dumb reasons like this. They would have voted for McCain for other dumb reasons, but now they have these.

Depends on how she handles herself on a national stage.

As for the coalition of Republicans that Rosenberg thinks will vote for Obama--they may well like this woman.

** Another reason for concern!

** So Maggie, you are a concern troll!

I think Rosenberg simplifies.

** I'm sure you do.

There are women (mainly over 50) who suppoorted Hillary who won't vote for Obama because they don't like his supporters and the media pundits who treated her so badly.

** This is a McCain line. You're with McCain, aren't you? How badly did they treat Maggie, hold her to the rules, did they?

They supported Hillary because she is a woman--and a smart woman-- and they had waited many years to see a woman become a serious candidate for president.

** So they're "gender feminists." Misandrists, in other words.

There also are women who won't vote for Obama because they are angry Hillary didn't win and because he is black. They may or may not acknowledge that race is an issue--even to themselves--they just feel he "should have waited his turn." (Which is a way of saying he's "uppity.)

** Your are concerned!

Obama could win the first group back.

But there is now a danger that some--even many-- of them vote for Palin because she is a woman, and in her own way, a strong, accomplislhed woman?

** Lots of people will vote for her for dumb reasons like this. They would have voted for McCain for other dumb reasons, but now they have these.

Depends on how she handles herself on a national stage.

As for the coalition of Republicans that Rosenberg thinks will vote for Obama--they may well like this woman.

** Another reason for concern!

** So Maggie, you are a concern troll!

I think Rosenberg simplifies.

** I'm sure you do.

There are women (mainly over 50) who suppoorted Hillary who won't vote for Obama because they don't like his supporters and the media pundits who treated her so badly.

** This is a McCain line. You're with McCain, aren't you? How badly did they treat Maggie, hold her to the rules, did they?

They supported Hillary because she is a woman--and a smart woman-- and they had waited many years to see a woman become a serious candidate for president.

** So they're "gender feminists." Misandrists, in other words.

There also are women who won't vote for Obama because they are angry Hillary didn't win and because he is black. They may or may not acknowledge that race is an issue--even to themselves--they just feel he "should have waited his turn." (Which is a way of saying he's "uppity.)

** Your are concerned!

Obama could win the first group back.

But there is now a danger that some--even many-- of them vote for Palin because she is a woman, and in her own way, a strong, accomplislhed woman?

** Lots of people will vote for her for dumb reasons like this. They would have voted for McCain for other dumb reasons, but now they have these.

Depends on how she handles herself on a national stage.

As for the coalition of Republicans that Rosenberg thinks will vote for Obama--they may well like this woman.

** Another reason for concern!

** So Maggie, you are a concern troll!

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My partner is doing a lot of organizing and canvassing for Obama. The conservative area and even the Democrats with feminist leanings/pasts are conservative by coastal standards. The universal response this morning among these women was (1) this choice is insulting to women (2) how could she take a job like that when she has a special-needs infant?

Mind you, these are almost all 30-60ish working women who use/used day care and while conservative still have a feminist core.

I am guessing this boomarangs on Rove/McCain, not Obama.

sPh

I agree too that it is over. But stay on your guard. The GOP is tricky and the office is not necessarily won at the ballot box. Do not trust these guys and/or gals further than you can spit.

This is not the first time this old Republican man picked a young woman as a mate.

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LOL! I think the usual thing though is for the old white Repug to pick a toothsome young man as a "mate."

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Maggie,

All the more reason to push the Democratic Party brand in the next 3 months. The fact is Palin is a Republican, and a conservative one at that, she will carry out the old republican policies that have failed so badly in the last 8 years.
Everytimes the Democrats can get things away fron biography and onto governing, they win, cause the GOP has invalidated themselves in the field. Hit them with reality and keep hiting them with it, pasionately but in control.

The media loves to reduce everything to biography so it will be a challange, but persistence and repetition really pay off here

Maggie, seriously, are you a "concern troll"? I'm not kidding, I'm asking? She "took on the oil companies"?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The oil companies have no more fervent and devoted advocate anywhere in the United States Government than Sarah Palin. No one, nowhere.

Maybe you need to go vote for her. Maybe she represents something new and exciting to you! You could give money!

But please, don't try to sell that shit here. We don't need any.

Maggie, seriously, are you a "concern troll"? I'm not kidding, I'm asking? She "took on the oil companies"?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The oil companies have no more fervent and devoted advocate anywhere in the United States Government than Sarah Palin. No one, nowhere.

Maybe you need to go vote for her. Maybe she represents something new and exciting to you! You could give money!

But please, don't try to sell that shit here. We don't need any.

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Dan Quayle was more recent and had even less relevant experience.

Being president of the Appaloosa horse association would be better qualification.

But this is exactly what Rove said about Obama possibly choosing Tim Kaine -- that it would be a purely political move, in total disregard of the responsibilities of the presidency.

It is a very narrow and political choice -- pandering to the evangelical crowd. It may have the initial appearance of pandering to women, but on further inspection, one sees that this choice is an affront to women. Perhaps McCain wants to blame his impending loss on her staunchly conservative evangelical views and thus drive those influences out of the GOP. In that case I really applaud him.

dan quayle was in his second term as a senator and had been in congress for a dozen years before he became VP. he was a doofus. and a lightweight. but his resume had more relevant experience than you are giving him credit for.

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OK, I had my Quayle facts wrong. He was in the House for 4 years, not a dozen, and was in the 2nd year of his second term in the Senate.

However, I stand by my claim that being President of a national horse breed association would be more relevant experience than Palin's.

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Sarah Palin : Hillary Clinton :: quail : eagle

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No

Palin:Clinton :: vulture:eagle

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No feminists, none, will vote for McCain. By definition, if one is indifferent to preserving the right to choose, he or she is no feminist. Kind of like "I'm an environmentalist for driling ANWR."

I agree that going for Palin on the "experience" theme can't help the Obama campaign and will likely backfire, especially in smallish-population states like Montana and Colorado where Obama is competitive.

But what really worries me is what we can expect from a McCain-Palin ticket, if elected. War in Iraq for the foreseeable future. Further restrictions on women's reproductive freedoms, upheld by a 6-3 conservative majority of the Supreme Court. Pretty language on the environment, accompanied by further concessions to the oil companies -- drill here, drill now, offshore *and* in ANWR. But as for the economy -- who'll be minding the store?

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Northern Observer--

I completely agree.

I am emphasizing the danger
that Palin could pull votes
because Obams progressives
must recognize how close
this election is.

It will take some time to
tell whether Palin is a plus
or a minus for MCain. (As I
said, I'm playing devil's
advocate.)

I'm just afraid that she could
be a plus--and even more afraid
that bloggers and the media could
turn her into a plus by attacking
her.

That's why I agree with Dan K. above.
We should step back, see who she
is and how she handles herself before
trying to figureout strategy.

Also, Dan K. is absolutely right--
she fired her ex-brother-in-law's
boss--allegedly because he refused
to fire her ex-brother-in law. But
then she appointed a new boss , and he . .

I didn't go into this because it's like
one of those very complicated soap-opera
plots.

But the fact is that she abused her authority.
Yet, I suspect that if all of the facts of the story come out, the State Trooper brother-in-law
could look like the bad guy to people who think of "what's right" in terms of their own families rather than "what's right" from a constiutional point of view in the White HOuse.

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Northern Observer--

I completely agree.

I am emphasizing the danger
that Palin could pull votes
because Obams progressives
must recognize how close
this election is.

It will take some time to
tell whether Palin is a plus
or a minus for MCain. (As I
said, I'm playing devil's
advocate.)

I'm just afraid that she could
be a plus--and even more afraid
that bloggers and the media could
turn her into a plus by attacking
her.

That's why I agree with Dan K. above.
We should step back, see who she
is and how she handles herself before
trying to figureout strategy.

Also, Dan K. is absolutely right--
she fired her ex-brother-in-law's
boss--allegedly because he refused
to fire her ex-brother-in law. But
then she appointed a new boss , and he . .

I didn't go into this because it's like
one of those very complicated soap-opera
plots.

The fact is that she abused her authority.
Yet, I suspect that if all of the details of the story come out, the State Trooper brother-in-law
could look like the bad guy to people who think of "what's right" in terms of their own families rather than thinking of "what's right" in term of what the constitution says the exectuive branch can and can't do. (I'm in favor of the constitution, btw, just pointing out that this
scandal might not hurt her popular appeal as much as one might think.)

That's JUST what McCain needs...an extended discussion of why Palin's ethics scandal really ISN'T a scandal but a shining example of family values...

Building name recognition?


Was she not vetted or has John McCain lost his mind?

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Correct. We don't need to fall into the Vickie Iseman trap again.

I agree provided however that if it turns out that in her career as a fisherwoman, she went OPILIO crab fishing with Jake Harris in January, all bets are off!

This might still be a horse race

http://www.printmojo.com/corneliamarie/Images/14286/jake_hat_thumb.jpg

Bill Miller????

Try again

Served in the United States House of Representatives from 1951 to 1965 and was chairman of the Republican National Committee from 1961 to 1964.

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Best thing about Bill Miller; fathering Stephanie Miller.

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I think it's a serious mistake to lower expectations of Gov. Palin. It plays right into Karl Rove's hands.

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It's the Scooby Doo strategy:

"That's so stupid it just might work."


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It's the Scooby Doo stratagem:

"That's so stupid it just might work."

Are some of Hillary's supporters stupid enough to vote for an anti-choice, creationist candidate just because she has a vagina? You bet! The stupidity of voters is indisputable, especially those who are fixated on a single "issue", like the overriding importance of having ANY woman achieve high office.

OTOH, she'll lose McCain votes among the knuckle draggers who think a woman's place is near the stove. Think Nevada Mormons.

All McCain won was Friday's news cycle.

Those who are nervous about Palin being some kind of coup, please come off the ledge. Those who are excited about the prospect, well, I guess I'm only referring to Old Sarg here. Palin is an attention grabbing stunt but a total lightweight. Alaska is a quirky place with a small population that's about to unseat its ancient Republican Senator -- maybe even in the primary, they're still counting the 500 votes cast -- and replace him with a Democrat who was mayor of a REAL city. Palin is to Alaska as Ventura was to Minnesota: a LARK. Neither is fit for the national stage, unless the stage is a beauty pagent or a wrestling ring, respectively. This will wear thin very soon.

Sarah Palin is not some political ace or philosophical genius in hiding. She is a total policy idiot, and all the coaching in the world won't let her go toe-to-toe with Joe. She will be afforded every courtesy by the Obama campaign, which will attack her obliquely just like they attack McCain: Nice guy, wrong on everything. Nice lady, wrong on everything.

Me, I'd paint her as the female George W. Bush. Second verse, same as the first.

I do not agree with your analysis. Palin clearly is an electoral gimmick, and probably the most cynical in memory, but it might work. She (and her down syndrome baby boy) are the wedge issue that could keep conservative white working class and catholic voters from voting for Obama. They will play up abortion and "infanticide" in major ways, taking Palin's youngest child as a prop and trying to garner support from Catholic bishops. In other words: She is there to neutralize whatever positive effect Biden could have had for Obama. Picking her is a deeply cynical, but ptentially very effective move. I don't think that John McCain had much to do with it. As we know, McCain does not speak for the McCain campaign.

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Nobody can say what effect Sarah Palin will have on McCain's overall chances, yet. However, if Pat Buchanan is right, and Palin was one of his supporters, as he claimed on Hardball, the choice of Palin may swing Florida back into Obama's column.

I've read a great deal about how older Jewish voters have expressed concern about the depth of Obama's commitment to Israel, even though Obama has gone to great lengths to reassure them. Some have also mentioned racism as a reason why some of the older folks have been leaning McCain.

But if Sarah Palin really was a member of the Buchanan Brigade, as Buchanan himself claims? All those folks in Palm Beach County who were so appalled that they might have accidentally voted for Pat Buchanan instead of Gore in the 2000 Florida debacle are going to be firmly back in the Democratic column.

Wexler has been talking up the Palim/Buchanan connection. I would dearly love to see this tip Florida back where it ought to be.

Yes, we got a lot of laughs from James Danforth Quayle, Vice President of the United States. He was a heart beat away for four years and I lost way too much sleep over that.

The Republicans have served up a big fat pitch over the middle. Only a home run with a lot of fans in the stands is going to win this thing.

McSame-Palindrome '08.
When going forward is the same as going backward and either way is worse.

I didn't think it was possible, but McCain actually made a worse VP choice than Cheney. I can't take McCain seriously anymore, he has become a joke.
I would never trust this woman with my children's safety, or as a role model for my daughters. She is straight out of the 50s.

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I always thought Cheney chose Bush.

I think what the Dems can stress here, is that if McCain wanted a woman, he passed up Kay Bailey Hutchison, a 15 year senator, with Republican credentials, soley for the fact that she's pro choice.

And stress this to women.