Another one is that creep Harold Ford who I just saw blathering about McCain getting off the plane in Israel bleeding from being knocked in the head on a tough ride. Just what we need a blue dog giving McCain a Purple Heart.

Yes, Harold's defeat in '06 was one of the many delights of that evening.

Judas anyone?

Hohw is Carville trying to sink Obama?

I'm being serious here, asking a genuine question. My personal stance is that Carville's continued existence is a blight on our entire party, but my own feelings about the man don't speak to the specifics of the matter at hand. It seems doubtful to me that Carville would have any access with Team O-B'08, so unless he is a Clinton Dead-ender conduit, I don't see where his information would come from...

The marriage explained.

I too would like to know how Carville is sinking Obama. I almost never watch CNN, so don't get to see his commentary.

I had heard of this tale back in '04 when it happened.

When you have people like this around, they should be used to advantage. He should be given information meant to be leaked, with the intent of confusing or screwing up Republican plans.

Anything can be used as a weapon to win this war, it's really just a matter of figuring out how to do it.

Still interested in details. Still looking for answers to my questions posed.

Blackwell will go to jail, along with Rove when their is another Department of Justice that is willing to enforces the laws. That is what these rats are so affraid of. Karl Rove and Gonzo should be at the top of the list. Rove is desperately trying to save himself.

MJ, back this up with something more than innuendo and gossip.

I agree that Carville has drunk his own kool-aid and become a caricature of himself. But I need more than this to even come close to believing it...expecially since you're not exactly a trusted source.

My understanding is that the '04 story is entirely true. Carville actually gave a defense of his actions, but I can't exactly remember what he said.

Good visual, though he reminds me of a hairless chiwawa.

This makes absolutely no sense. The provisional ballot mess in Ohio was challenged as early as the beginning of October and was being litigated as late as October 27th '04 and continued being litigated until 2006. Secondly, Ohio didn't have even a preliminary count of votes cast because not all the counties had reported totals until later in the day on Wednesday, like New Mexico, Ohio still did not have a vote total in the early morning hours of Wednesday Provisional ballots are not counted by the State of Ohio until several days after the election, so there would be no way of knowing how many would be challenged or even if they favoured Kerry or Bush. They had yet to know how many provisional ballots had been cast. The major problem faced in Ohio was not provisional balloting, but the voter irregularities in the rural counties where the vote tabulation didn't match the voter turnout rate and in most cases far exceeded the turnout and always favoured Bush.

The concern of the Kerry campaign was that the exit polling was not matching the vote count that was being reported by precincts as the counts came in and the "found votes" that were being reported as totals came in that favoured Kerry, tipping the vote for Bush.

The idea that Carville tipped the vote or acted as a spy is absurd to any thinking person. The voter fraud in Ohio started long before Nov. and the litigation is there to prove it. The Bush campaign would not have been worried in the least that Kerry was contemplating challenging provisional ballots - the totals were such that they would not have made any difference in the count anyway and both campaigns knew it. The only reasonable estimate was less than 3% of votes cast that tuesday were provisional ballots.

You remind me of David Horowitz who uses the same exact tactics to destroy people - find some "troubling" accusation made thirdhand by someone less than reliable (and a republican at that) and then fling it against the wall hoping it sticks. It doesn't matter to you in the least that you're ruining someone's reputation or his livelihood over a remark that you didn't even bother to confirm - it's "troubling" to you, so you're just going to make sure that it gets out there in the ether and then let someone else suffer the consequences and clean up your mess. What this does to the democrats cause doesn't even concern you because like most tunnelvisioned, shortsighted politburo hacks, it's enough to ruin today's enemy - what happens tommorow or in the future is not your concern. You disgust me.

I think Mary went to the same plastic surgeon as Greta Van Sustern. He only knows one face. They look like twins now.

MJ, count me on the list of those who have no love whatsoever for James Carville.

However, leaving aside the question of 2004, I don't see the connection to Carville in 2008. He's a miserable son of a bitch, I grant that. But his opening-night whining in Denver doesn't constitute "sinking" Obama.

Upthread, you said you posted nothing but information from Woodward's book. But your last sentence is not a quote. It's your direct accusation against Carville. Yet, you present absolutely no evidence on that front. This makes your accusation irresponsible at best.

Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." An SOS goes out to Blackwell. And the corrupt Blackwell took care of it.

LOL. If the call goes out this November, here's who'll be on the other end:

Last Sunday's Dispatch article titled "Ousted," suggects [Democratic] Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner has been heavy handed in her removal or rejection for reappointment of some election officials. Among the published list is the former Chair of the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections and Chair of the Ohio Republican Party, Robert Bennett, notorious for his role in the Ohio election of 2004, where voter suppression and voting anomalies were evidence of a strong partisan interference to sway the vote. Keith Cunningham, former Republican member of the Board of Machine Examiners, was another infamous character out of the drama of 2004, who attempted to interfere with the Green Party Recount by not using a random system.

The article claims the former "fair-minded" judge (Brunner) has been accused by a prominent Republican legislator as "injecting a culture of fear and intimidation" into the county BOE's. It would seem that it is the Dispatch which is injecting fear by their relentless criticisms of Brunner who is just trying to fix the broken system she inherited, including inherently flawed voting machines.

"Fear and intimidation" -- GOP speak for cleaning out the Augean stable of Republican election hackery.

Good luck with that one, Sen. McCain.

The lesson to be learned from the Carville/Matlin marriage is that the two sides have far fewer differences in actual goals than they profess in public.

Well I guess I am one of the only people who has watched Carville on CNN since Obama won the primary. He has trashed Obama at every opportunity and last week when Obama announced Biden as the choice, Carville immediately went on the air to stir up the so-called disaffected HRC voters. He repeatedly said that Hillary had been disrespected by Obama by not only not vetting her but by not consulting with Hillary or Bill about his choice. He conveniently forgot to mention that the Clintons did not want to turn over sensitive documents unless it was a sure thing. He trashed his fellow Dems the first night of the convention, but managed to make sure he was photographed wearing his PUMA sneakers. And I think you are missing the big picture when you ask why he would want to derail Obama. It's about Hillary in 2012, stupid. I guess we now know why Kerry has been such an emphatic supporter of Obama.