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Jeffrey Goldberg, the Atlantic writer is worried about Iran and Israel. His worry is not the usual one. Goldberg is worried about what an Israeli attack on Iran would mean for America.

"The problem is simple: Muslim extremists often conflate Israel and the Diaspora. They do this for two reasons: One, they are anti-Semites, and so tend to see all Jews, and not merely 'Zionists,' as their enemies; the second is a practical one--it is easy to strike at soft Jewish targets outside of Israel, easier, certainly, than executing mass terror attacks against Israeli targets these days. And so what you have, on occasion, is an attack like the one directed against the Jewish center in Argentina in 1994, in which eighty-five people were murdered," he writes.

In other words, Americans could pay a very heavy price if Israel attacks Iran.

Goldberg writes that the reason we don't hear much about this issue of "blowback" is that just raising it challenges the fundamental premise underlying Zionism. The existence of the state of Israel supposedly makes Jews in the Diaspora safer. If, on the other hand, actions taken by Israel jeopardize Jews, and others, outside of Israel then the Zionist concept looks flawed.

Blowback also cuts into the whole idea of Diaspora sympathy for, and identification with, Israel. If American Jews believe that their own children and grandchildren here are no more secure than children and grandchildren in Israel, suddenly the playing field is leveled. Sympathy and concern is no longer a one-way street. After all, as much as we care about Israel's well-being, we are more concerned with the well-being of our own families wherever they may live, and of the well-being of our neighbors and our country. That is as it should be. After all, no one imagines that Israelis living in Tel Aviv are more concerned about Jewish kids in Brooklyn than about their own kids. Why would they be?

The whole question of whether Israel's actions can jeopardize us here is fraught with troubling questions. But they have to be raised.

An Israeli attack on Iran--absent an imminent threat of attack from Iran--is a terrible idea for many reasons. It would not succeed in eliminating Iran's nuclear program but would almost surely prompt Iran to both opt out of the international inspection regime and redouble its efforts to produce a bomb. It would unite Arabs and Muslims against the United States (they know that Israel could not attack Iran without implicit or explicit U.S. approval). It would have a disastrous effect on the American effort next door in Iraq, eliminating recently made gains and endangering 130,000 American troops (this is why Secretary of Defense Gates so vehemently opposes an Israeli attack). And it would end the Arab-Israeli peace process, even putting the peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan at risk. And, no small thing, an attack would lead to a deadly Hezbollah missile onslaught against Israel, joined no doubt by Hamas in the south.

Nonetheless, an attack is not out of the question because there are forces in Israel and here that believe that anything, no matter how dangerous, is better than either negotiating with Iran or relying on sanctions. These people are as hell-bent for war with Iran as they were for war with Iraq. Mostly, they are the same people. Always wrong, always eager for war. (Many of these people encouraged Georgia to take on Russia, as always disregarding consequences).

Of course, the last major war they agitated for--the one to depose Saddam--did not present the same threat of blowback here. Saddam Hussein was a lone wolf. Despite the now thoroughly discredited propaganda issued by neocons in and out of the administration, he was not allied with Al Qaeda or any other terrorist group that would seek to avenge him. Iran is.

And Iran, or its proxies such as Hezbollah, no doubt has sleeper cells here ready to strike following an attack on the Shiite motherland.

Not long ago, we Americans could imagine that we were immune to the kind of terrorism long afflicting Israel and other places. No more. The 9/11 attacks that took 3,000 lives in New York, Virginia, and Pennsylvania were the most deadly attacks anywhere. After 9/11, nobody can tell Americans that we are naïve and that if we experienced what the Israelis have, we'd be wiser. We now know the ways of the world all too well. (My mother's little neighborhood in New York City lost 75 people on 9/11. My brother-in-law lost 300 "brothers"--fellow firefighters in the New York City Department (FDNY), by far the largest number of firefighters ever lost).

And it's not like 9/11 is likely to be the last terrorist attack on our shores. No one in our government believes that. More than a few are surprised that we have not experienced a second 9/11 already.

There are, of course, those who argue that nothing the United States or its allies do have any connection to any attacks here. It is an article of faith for neoconservatives that "they" hate us for who we are and not for anything we do. But that's nonsense. They may hate us for who we are but they often attack us because of things we have done. The Spanish government tried, after the terrible attack on Madrid that took 200 lives, to blame Basque terrorists because it did not want to admit that it was the Spanish government's decision to commit troops to Iraq that caused the attack. Later the truth came out and the government fell.

In short, actions have consequences. Governments, including the governments of the United States and Israel, should consider them before preemptively attacking another Muslim state, especially when it is almost certain that an unprovoked attack will fail and leave the United States, Israel, and the world even less secure than before.

Jeff Goldberg wonders if we Americans have the right to advise Israel on what it should or shouldn't do on matters that relate to Israel's security. Of course we do--when it also affects our own.


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An Israeli attack on Iran would also endanger Iranian Jews, estimated to number 25-40,000.

Iran has the only Jewish community living under an avowedly Islamic regime. In Tehran, where the majority of the community lives, there are six kosher butchers and about 30 synagogues. In addition, there is the Jewish hospital, which has a Jewish director and is funded by donations from the Diaspora, though the vast majority of its staff and patients are Muslim. Children attend Jewish schools where they are taught Hebrew and receive religious training.

@ Don Bacon


What a wonderful Potemkin Village! I wonder why you neglected to mention that Iran's Jewish population - dating back 2500 years - has fallen by something like 90% since the Iranian Revolution.

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I didn't fail to mention it, because:
(1) It's off-point, the point being that there is still a sizable Jewish community in Iran which, incidentally, has been deaf to recent Israeli inducements to emigrate,and
(2) It's factually incorrect. I'll give you 50%.

@ Don Bacon


At the time of the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948, there were approximately 140,000–150,000 Jews living in Iran, the historical center of Persian Jewry. Over 85% have since migrated to either Israel or the United States, with the migration accelerating after the 1979 Islamic Revolution, when the population dropped from 100,000 to about 40,000.[23]

from History of the Jews in Iran


And it's very much on point. There's a world-wide war against the Jews being waged by Muslims. That war has been partially extended to the West. In war-time some very, very difficult decisions must be made. It's clear how Rosenberg would make them. You, I think, fall in the same camp.

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If Israel hits Iran will Iranian Jews be in danger?

(1) There is still a sizable Jewish community in Iran (25-40,000) which, incidentally, has been deaf to recent Israeli inducements to emigrate,and

(2) They are vulnerable to not only the Israeli attack but also any retribution which might follow.

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has fallen by something like 90% since the Iranian Revolution.
after the 1979 Islamic Revolution, when the population dropped from 100,000 to about 40,000

You even contradict yourself -- good work.

@ Don Bacon


Don't be ridiculous.

I used the most conservative figure in the article...and the figure was 60%. If I'd used the least conservative for the remaining number of Iranian Jews - 20,000 - the figure would have been 80%. In either case the numbers are horrendous.

That you would think you'd scored a point shows how shallow your arguments are, how pathetic your thinking is.

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According to your own figures, you have contradicted yourself.

Getting back on-topic:
(1) There is a sizable Jewish community in Iran (25-40,000), and

(2) They are vulnerable to not only the Israeli attack but also any retribution which might follow.

@ Don Bacon


Yes they are...and if all of Israel is vulnerable to an Iranian attack what then?

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Thank you.
Now if you had just wrote that at the beginning we could have saved a lot of cyberspace.

@ Don Bacon


That's not an answer. It's not even good English.

OTY is flat-out nuts. Trying to argue with him is not possible, because facts, to him, are very fluid things. Logic simply does not exist for him. It's like trying to argue with Humpty Dumpty. ("When I use a word...")

People like him are giving pathology a bad name.

@ Rosenberg


One, they are anti-Semites, and so tend to see all Jews, and not merely 'Zionists,' as their enemies.

After all, as much as we care about Israel's well-being, we are more concerned with the well-being of our own families wherever they may live, and of the well-being of our neighbors and our country. That is as it should be.


You could always change your name to "Weenie al Safer" and offer to give them the names of Zionists you know. That's negotiating isn't it?...and I'm reasonably sure they'd go for it. That kind of negotiation is more successful than most. Of course, your neighbors would call you horrible names but so what? You and your kids would be safe.

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offensivetoyou.

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I have been saying this exact same thing for months now. Additionally, with our constantly being the aggressor to the entire world (Iraq, Iran, Syria, and now Russia), at what point are the other countries on this planet going to say ENOUGH to American aggression and bomb US?

Mr. Rosenberg
This what I wrote on my blog on this subject on July 3, 2008

Is the Bush Administration Encouraging Israel to Attack Iran?
While the U.S. National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) says Iran has either stopped or slowed down development of a nuclear weapon, Bush Administration is adamant that Iran is developing one. Apparently no lessons have been learnt from the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" fiasco, when Bush Administration hurriedly started the war preempting UN inspectors report which would have contradicted such a claim.

The recent and very visible exercises by Israeli air force have been described by some eager Pentagon officials as preparation for an attack on Iran. To many Middle East watchers this is probably just saber rattling and may in fact be to pressurize European allies to get on with it in Iran or else!

Has the White House or the Pentagon seriously considered consequences of an Israeli attack on Iran? Iran is neither Iraq or Syria and the fanatical Ahmedinajad regime will respond with everything he has got. Iran will retaliate by launching missiles on Tel Aviv (probably devastating the city) and close the Straits Of Hormuz sending crude oil price to $250 a barrel or higher causing massive problems for many economies of the world. An instant casualty will probably be the Iraqi Government as Moqtada Al-Sadr (supported by Iran) will bring the pro US Government down and cause chaos in Iraq.

The Israelis are not that stupid to launch another war. Their attack on Lebanese cities was watched in horror by the world. Instead of recovering two kidnapped soldiers it lost another 169 soldiers plus several hundred civilians killed. The most damage to Israel was to its invincibility built so impeccably in the six day war. Their super efficient army suddenly did not look so super any more. Israel seems to have learned its lessons and is now negotiating with its adversaries.

The larger question for the U.S. is, where is the US media in all this? Are they going to sit idly by while another war is launched and not challenge Bush Administration as they did before Iraq war? Why is media not analyzing and presenting to US public the consequences of such a misadventure?

A far fetched idea though, but is Bush Administration so worried by an Obama win and Democratic majorities in Senate and House this fall that it rather not have judicial probes opening up into the missing billions in Iraq, and massive no bid contracts to favorite companies etc. that it may cause another war and a security situation leveling the way for McCain to win - I hope not.

Well, we've only arrived at this juncture because the Bush Administration has done nothing right these past seven years. Giving the Neocons a free hand is ultimately gonna spell the end of "blank check" support for Israel, for exactly the same reasons you cite.

Disgusting. These fools have put so many in danger.

Well, we've only arrived at this juncture because the Bush Administration has done nothing right these past seven years. Giving the Neocons a free hand is ultimately gonna spell the end of "blank check" support for Israel, for exactly the same reasons you cite.

Disgusting. These fools have put so many in danger.

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Well said, M.J.

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OTY, get married. Have some kids. Enjoy life a little. You won't be so quick to wanting the world incinerated in the name of nationalism.

@ Rosenberg


The question is how many kids from other people's families are you willing to sacrifice to save your own? Because that's what you're doing when you refuse to recognize the true cost of keeping them safe in the real world.

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Talk to me when you have kids. Any parents will do ANYTHING to save their kids. You might want to read about the holocaust sometime.

How's this: "I do hope that the Allies send bombers to take out Auschwitz and save my kids. On the other hand, if they do, they might not have enough bombers to save some kids in Rotterdam. What should I do? I can't put my kids' lives over somebody else's."

You see how stupid that sounds. Only someone who has no kids and can't even imagine having them could believe something so utterly ridiculous.

Read a book, OTY. You need some educating.

Hey, MJ have you seen this music video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSh8E7xWsFo

What do you think of it?

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very moving, especially if you have the lyrics in your head

My thoughts as well.

I thought you or your son might be the right folks to help it go viral.

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My son only does hip hop!

@ Rosenberg


Here's the thing. When societies fail - and they all do - they are not replaced by the Kingdom of Heaven. They are replaced by others, almost always after a terrible period of anarchy, banditry, killing, despair, destruction. These others might be better in some ways than those they replaced...but rarely are they better for the citizens of the failed entity.


So I'm not taken in by your moralizing critique of nationalism. Our enemies are no less nationalistic and biased than we are and will certainly not be better for our citizens than our present government and society. As far as I can tell you've spent your entire life in the company of people just like you in every way, you perform no community service for the larger community, and you do everything you can to avoid any obligation you might have to it.


In short, you're a member of the American haredim...but even worse since you're only credo is selfishness.

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Hey MJ,

I'm not letting my kids fly those bombers over enemy territory, they might get killed! :-)

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But John, you aren't a hero like OTY, a veritable Jack Pershing of our time. (Wrong country).

@ Rosenberg


Conservatives are the party of individual selfishness while liberals are the party of community...but that's only true when community means taking money from those richer than you. When it comes to defending the society then conservatives are the party of community while liberals are the selfish ones.


That's your philosophy, anyway.


And since one does one have to be a hero to do one's duty? You are corrupt to the core.

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OTY, when did you do yours? Did you, like, forget to enlist? How old are you anyway? You don't know history so you may be young. And guys under 45 can go to Iraq to help out. USAID is desperate for people to help out and there's no age limit. Unless I'm wromg and you did your duty! AS IF!

@ Rosenberg


As it happened I was eligible for the draft in the mid'50s when they didn't need men so I was rejected; 4-F. In the early '60s I worked for RAND on military projects - but I was paid so that probably doesn't count. I the late '60s I could have lied about my situation, and they might have taken me, but I didn't. In any case, that's well beyond the call of duty. Now, in my old age, I am a volunteer hospital director, and also do volunteer work on our community water system.


I didn't know about USAID but I'll look into it. Sounds interesting...if there really is no age limit.


Now I've leveled with you so let's hear your story.

@ Rosenberg


I forget to mention that when I reached draft age I was just leaving a poor neighborhood with a full scholarship to the best school in the country. I was not going to turn that down.

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My, my, my. I had MJ's read on O2U also. Now it turns out he is a senior, successful professional from modest beginnings but through being a brilliant student worked his way up.

Now we must guess some more. What accounts for the incredible nastiness and complete lack of common sense when it comes to war and peace. Here's my quess: his wife ran off with a liberal pacifist.

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Offensivetoyou says:

As it happened I was eligible for the draft in the mid'50s when they didn't need men so I was rejected; 4-F.

Its incredible how many right wingers were 4F, or used deferments, especially the group that likes sending others to war.

Rush Limbaugh was 4F with anal cysts.

Cheney 5 deferments

Christ, this list would be endless.

@ JohnW1141


I know you to be a terrible schmuck but this is too much. Most of the left-wingers I knew in my graduate school days (Viet Nam era) were 4-F and not legitimately so.


I had a defect in my lower spine which showed up on an X-Ray when I applied for a job as an oil field roustabout. The doctors recommended I not lift more than 5 pounds. I largely disregarded their advice (since doctors then as now know very little about health) but I was more cautious than I would have been. Maybe that helped. Maybe I was lucky. Maybe the doctors were wrong.


Meanwhile, Rosenberg has not told his story (this is the second thread on which I've requested it) and you remain remarkably incurious about it.

@ JohnWJackass


Cheney was not 4-F, a-hole. Neither was Clinton.

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offensivetoyou says:

@ JohnWJackass


Cheney was not 4-F, a-hole. Neither was Clinton.

Um, I didn't say Cheney was 4F, if you read the post you would have seen I said Cheney took 5 deferments.

Since you brought up Clinton, he didn't serve either, and he went to great lengths to avoid service, he managed to get a student deferment to study in England.

Deferments are not 4Fs

@ Rosenberg


from the USAID page


In addition, candidates and their eligible family members must be in good health and pass a rigorous physical examination prior to appointment and candidates must receive a security clearance before a final employment offer is made or before entering on duty.

for Foreign Service positions, the beginning age is 18 and the maximum age is 59. Career appointments in the foreign service are covered by the Foreign Service Act of 1980, which requires mandatory retirement at age 65. The age of 59 is established with the expectation that career candidates complete orientation and training including proficiency in a language, and serve two 2-year tours overseas before reaching the mandatory retirement age of 65. In addition, the upper age limit for hiring into the Foreign Service is 59, since an applicant hired beyond that age would not accumulate enough years of service to be vested into the retirement system by the time he/she reaches the mandatory retirement age of 65.


Since I'm well past 65 and partly crippled I'm not eligible. It seems that you're as full of shit about this as you are about everything else.

@ Rosenberg


Any parents will do ANYTHING to save their kids.


So every parent who allows, or encourages, his children to join the military, to fight for his country, is abnormal, delinquent, criminal?


You include in that horrendous group Joe Kennedy, FDR, Theodore Roosevelt, Arthur MacArthur, Patton Pere, and I don't know how many others who are normally considered our greatest patriots.


I knew you were despicable, a terrible selfish coward...but to admit it so openly, to be proud of it...

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offensivetoyou says;

So every parent who allows, or encourages, his children to join the military, to fight for his country, is abnormal, delinquent, criminal?

He said the parents would do anything to save their kids, joining the military is no guarantee they will go unsaved.

As for me, as soon as the war is over I'm joining the Army.

@ Rosenberg


You see how stupid that sounds


No, I don't. I see how stupid you sound. But since you apparently believe your worthless arguments try this on for size;


There's not enough money to go round, and, since it's a good thing to do anything for my kids, I'll get and keep as much of it as I can for myself and my kids. Let other people's kids fend for themselves.

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This is interesting. I remember how horrible I felt for Israel that they had to suffer the missile bombardments that resulted from the U.S. decision to go to war in Iraq in 1991.

Sadly, now it looks like the shoe may be on the other foot.

Here's a question though. Is Iran going to have more impunity to send out its terrorist gangs when it has a nuclear weapon and is therefore unlikely to be attacked?

There is countless ways of making "attacking Iran" acceptable discourse, or at least topical, constantly. Benny Morris comes to mind too.

It is not going to happen. Not because the costs are high, or the benefits are nil. It is simply not doable. How do I know? Folks with the means have been itching for war for too long, too indiscretely, for it not to have happened already unless it is not doable.

For a reality check on Iran, see
http://www.bibijon.org/iranimage/

Israel won't hit Iran. Al qaeda is likely hoping to get a nuke in destabilized Pakistan which is more of a danger to US/Israel than Iran's I'm'adinnerhat.

The US already has two hot wars and is starting another cold one. We also have a tanking economy. Dubya is a dimwit bully but he wouldn't allow Israel to attack, and he himself doesn't attack, countries that have real capability to resist.

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NobleComment says

"Dubya is a dimwit bully but he wouldn't allow Israel to attack, and he himself doesn't attack, countries that have real capability to resist."

I agree, he attacked Iraq because they were supposed to be an easy win. Actually, their regular forces were no match for us and we rolled over them, but then the shit hit the fan thanks to the incompetence of the Bush gang.

@ JohWJackass


Rumsfeld was slow to pick up on the unconventional nature of the response Saddam had designed. To an idiot like you that proves that the Bush gang was incompetent.


Tell me, how many battles did we lose during our first year of battle during WWII? How many did Washington lose during the first 6 years of the Revolutionary War? How many generals did Lincoln go through before he found Grant and Sherman? How many armies did Stalin lose before finally turning things around?


And what of those who won initially and masterfully? What happened to Hitler and Napoleon?


Obviously, you were just a grunt during your time of service with no knowledge of anything and none expected.

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offensivetoyou says;

Rumsfeld was slow to pick up on the unconventional nature of the response Saddam had designed. To an idiot like you that proves that the Bush gang was incompetent.

First, the first sentence above shows how asinine your second sentence is.

Second;

So Saddam planned for Paul Bremer to disband the Iraqi army? Saddam planned for our forces to bypass mountains of weapons caches? Saddam planned for the civil war that ensued between the Sunnis and Shiites? Saddam planned for al Qaeda to get involved? Saddam planned for Turkey to deny the 4th ID their territory to stage an invasion into northern Iraq?

I guess he planned to get caught and hung too.

You insult people often, using words like moron, asshole, idiot. etc. You should look at some of your posts now and then to see who the real asshole, idiot and/or moron is.

Obviously, you were just a grunt during your time of service with no knowledge of anything and none expected.
Well, I wasn't an officer, I was a Staff Sergeant in charge of a squad, 10 men. While on a 2 day R&R with another guy I lost a stripe in Luxembourg tangling with MPs; if not for that I would have mustered out as a Tech Sergeant.

As for knowledge, I had enough to get 5 promotions.

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should read;

Obviously, you were just a grunt during your time of service with no knowledge of anything and none expected.


Well, I wasn't an officer, I was a Staff Sergeant in charge of a squad, 10 men. While on a 2 day R&R with another guy I lost a stripe in Luxembourg tangling with MPs; if not for that I would have mustered out as a Tech Sergeant.
As for knowledge, I had enough to get 5 promotions.


@ JohnWJackass


Saddam planned for a guerrilla war...and Rumsfeld did not. That had very serious consequences.


As for the other stuff;

Bremer had good reasons. They just didn't work out.
Armies miss a lot. Gee I wonder why?
A civil war between Shiites and Sunnis? Saddam hardly had to plan for that. It was in the cards, just like the civil war between Kurds and the other two groups which had been raging for years. Same with Al Queda, the Iranians and everybody else in the region.
Turkey was always a gamble. We had to act fast, we didn't have the time to assure everything went our way. That would take forever.


Did Saddam plan to get caught and hung? And you wonder why I call you an idiot.

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offensivetoyou says;

Saddam planned for a guerrilla war...and Rumsfeld did not. That had very serious consequences.

How do you know what Saddam planned?

"...we had to act fast...". That's laughable.

They were talking aoubt Iraq a day or two after 9/11/01, the war started on March 20, 2003. We had about a year and a half to plan. "We had to act fast", heh heh heh.

Your guerilla war was a classic, Sunni, vs Shiite, vs US, with some al Qaeda Iraq thrown in.
Did Saddam plan for the Iranian influence?

Your whole post is ludicrous. You're trying to create a false history to cover yourself. You should get a job as a right wing talk radio host.

@ JohnWJackass


Read "America's Secret War", written in 2003, by George Friedman. I've recommended it a number of times but I know you haven't read it because you wouldn't have posted such nonsense if you had.


Have you even looked at it? I'm sure not. Why not? I'm sure some mental process allowed you to write it off as "right wing propaganda" without any further consideration.


Your loss.

@ JohnWJackass


Correction; the book was first published in 2004.

Faulty reasoning OTY.

The US never lost a battle in Vietnam, and dropped more tonnage of bombs on Vietnam than expended both Allies and Axis powers in WWII.

We lost anyway.

WWII and older wars like Napoleon's, were traditional wars between uniformed forces. The GWOT is no comparison.

WWII was decided mainly by the numbers of tanks, guns, men and ships available and technology like radar, not by the strategic expertise of the generals. The GWOT is not comparable, it is 'fourth generation war' against non-state forces.

Russia lost in Afghanistan but won against Nazi Germany. Did the Afghans have more men, better generals or more tanks, guns, planes and missiles than Hitler?

Will the US succeed in Afghanistan, when Russia failed? Will 'victory' in Iraq mean victory for the US or for Iran?

@ Noble Comment Decider


I'm not the one who called the Bush gang idiots because the war, at least initially, went badly for them. My point was that wars often go badly, because wars, by their very nature, are unpredictable tests of strength.


You want to argue that guerrilla wars are fundamentally different than other kinds of wars. They're not...nor are they anything new.

@oty Since you had a full scholarship to the best school in the nation, that does mean you attended West Point? West Point, by the way, is by far the hardest school in the country to get into. Much harder than Harvard. Look up the statistics.

@ Faroff


It means that I attended Cal Tech and had as professors Pauling, Feynman, and Gell-Mann to name only the best known.


Why are you so curious about me? Why not about Rosenswine? Where's his service record? How did he avoid military service? How did his kids avoid military service? What community service has he performed? How diverse is the neighborhood he lives in, the Temple at which he worships, the school his kids attend?


I've posted my info several times in response to his requests. He responds with silence to mine...and no one cares.


You know why? Because you know what his answers will be (if he's honest); terribly embarrassing answers...and most of you are in the same boat.

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offensivetoyou says;

@ Faroff


It means that I attended Cal Tech and had as professors Pauling, Feynman, and Gell-Mann to name only the best known.

I'm only a high school grad, and there's you with a full scholarship to Cal Tech. Everytime I see you address me as "JohnWJackass" I know I'm beating you in this debate. You try to use insults, whether to me or others who disagree with you, as a way to make up for your incompetency and weak arguments.

You are, by far, the most vicious, angry and hateful person I've ever seen on line.

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By the way offensivetoyou,

I'm sure those professors you named didn't teach you how to be vicious and hateful.

@ JohnWJackass


Of course they didn't. Pauling and Feynman, at least, were much better men than I am. And it turns out that a star high school scholar is to a Noble prize winner as a star high school athlete is to an Olympian. If amateur psychobabble is your thing that should make you very happy.

Comments here aroused my curiosity about the draft, so I googled. The Selective Service System is inoperative, right? Do you all know that it still has a board of directors, etc, and an annual budget (2007) of $24,255,000?

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Comments here aroused my curiosity about the draft, so I googled. The Selective Service System is inoperative, right? Do you all know that it still has a board of directors, etc, and an annual budget (2007) of $24,255,000?

Its patronage. At this time its probably filled with Bush cronies.

A whole article and a bunch of comments based on:

"The problem is simple: Muslim extremists often conflate Israel and the Diaspora. They do this for two reasons: One, they are anti-Semites, and so tend to see all Jews, and not merely 'Zionists,' as their enemies"

OK, how about this:

After six years of a comprehensive survey of the Muslim world, Gallup has produced data that show "plainly that much of the conventional wisdom about Muslims -- views touted by U.S. policy makers and pundits and accepted by voters -- is simply false."

"Many charge that Islam encourages violence more than other faiths, but studies show that Muslims around the world are at least as likely as Americans to condemn attacks on civilians. Polls show that 6% of the American public thinks attacks in which civilians are targets are "completely justified." In Iran, it's 2%."

"Moreover, it's politics, not piety, that drives the small minority -- just 7% -- of Muslims to anti-Americanism ... Gallup found no statistical difference in self-reported religiosity between those who sympathized with the [9/11] attackers and those who did not. When respondents in select countries were asked in an open-ended question to explain their views of 9/11, those who condemned it cited humanitarian as well as religious reasons. ... On the other hand, not a single respondent who condoned the attacks used the Koran as justification. Instead, they relied on political rationalizations, calling the U.S. an imperialist power or accusing it of wanting to control the world."

Source:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-esposito2apr02,0,5220274.story

As I explained before, an attack on Iran is not going to happen. Also, do not worry, dialogue between US and Iran is not going to happen.

http://www.bibijon.org/iranimage/


@ BiBiJon


Also, do not worry, dialogue between US and Iran is not going to happen

It's already happening. It's been happening for years. Just not officially and publicly. See the recent article in Ha'aretz by Aluf Benn on the meeting between Israeli and American missile specialists.


You're Gallup poll stuff is equally bad. See if you can figure out why.

Very influential people on both sides have been itching for dialogue (of the restoration of ties variety) for decades. It has not happened despite the zero costs, and huge mutual befits. The only rational assumption is that it is not doable.

Gallup interviewed over 50,000 people. That I call a comprehensive survey. Their conclusions are based on facts.

"Not a single respondent who condoned the attacks used the Koran as justification. Instead, they relied on political rationalizations". That is 'not a single one'. That is a statistically significant number. Zero. Zero anti-semitism, zero racism, but lots and lots of anti-imperialism.

So, I draw a blank on why my gallup stuff is bad. It tells me the usual defamatory statements about Muslims in general and Iranians in particular is not born out by scientific studies.

If you want to draw a distinction between government vs people, then don't. People have friends/relatives in governments. And government officials have family and friends in among the 'people'. People know this or any other government will do what harm it can get away with and will do what good it absolutely has to. The notion that there are people who wake up in the morn and start thinking what unspeakable evil they can do to others is racist nonsense. Unless of course you harm their women and children, then sorry, the stated warranty will not be valid. Now is that an Iranian thing, or a Muslim thing or a human thing, inquiring minds will eventually find out.

http://www.bibijon.org/iranimage/

Short self-written biographies are usually incomplete. I could write one about me that would impress about anyone on this post. If I included my failures and mistakes, it would erase most of that impression. Maybe the others aren't providing personal information because they don't want to brag, and, like me, they sure don't want to include the rest of the story.

@ Faroff


What bullshit!


Rosenberg asked for my military history and other personal information because he thought it would demean me. I provided it and asked for his in return.


Fair is fair.

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