Wake Up, Obama Camp
The last month has been excruciating for Obama supporters, watching him and his campaign squander so many hopes and resources on an utterly wimpy campaign. For me, the last straw was yesterday -- in the VFW speech when supposedly Obama was gettting tough against McCain's character assassination strategy -- to watch him speak like a soporific college professor, repeating McCain's charges at length, flattering McCain as honorable and patriotic, and then, finally, sort of begging McCain to take it back! Josh Marshall is totally right to call Obama out on this.
What are they thinking in Chicago? Why would they ever imagine that Americans will vote to make President a candidate who evades and begs? This is like football. If you are hit hard in the pile, you hit back, you don't run to the refs. If the refs (media in this context) make a bad or missed call, you just get up and play harder, hit back harder, throw passes. You never expect the other side to play nice, you never beg for that; and you take for granted that the refs will overlook a lot of stuff.
On evasion: A national, turning-point campaign is not an academic discussion of the issues! You don't go into Saddleback and give a ridiculous, distanced, abstract, evasive, talmudic answer to the abortion question you knew was coming! You look the television camera/voters in the eye and crisply explain your own personal moral perspective in clear, plain language -- acknowledging AFTER you state your views that other moral people can have different views and underlining that you will always respect them, listen to them, and look for common ground. This is not rocket science!
On fighting back: For weeks, Obama has ignored or wheedled when McCain and Lieberman attacked his patriotism and judgement. He has repeatedly begged them to stop because, supposedly, they are more honorable than that. He has asked them to discuss the issues dispassionately. What an insipid approach! McCain has NOT been honorable or honest, and Obama and his surrogates need to hammer on that incessantly. Use words like "lying" and "losing himself" or " (better) "forgetting what he is supposed to stand for." Stop focusing on decades ago in the POW camp. Talk about now, about the last years and months. Make the really obvious point that no candidate for President at this time can really be putting country first if he runs a dirty, lying campaign of false smears. That betrays the public trust. Tell it like it is, Obama!
Politics is not just about issues, it is a metaphorical test of strength. If a man will not get immediately -- if quietly -- angry and fight back when his patriotism is attacked, why should we trust him to defend the country? And if he won't punch back by explaining clearly why his approach to foreign policy is actually tougher and smarter, why McCain's is thoughtless and reckless, why would we think he is better to be Commander in Chief?
And on issues like oil drilling, why not recognize that McCain has adopted an ACTIVE metaphor that makes emotional sense to people? He is saying we should act to tap U.S. resources, and people are not really concerned about how many years it would take to tweak pump prices. They hear action and will and resolve -- and these are highly valued in a President! Obama can certainly get a hearing for other active steps, but he and the Dems should stop pretending that they can parry drilling with logic.
Obama is lucky he is not further behind already. And he is going to fade fast if he just runs a feel-good, bland convention about abstract "hope" and "change." In addition to getting gritty and colorfully clear about his recipe for making Americans' lives better -- AND about his approach to make this nation safer and stronger in the world -- Obama needs to signal all the major speakers at next week's convention to go after McCain in a key part of each speech. We need to hear why McCain is wrong and dangerous and no longer so honest and honorable. It needs repeating with force and humor and passion.
Otherwise, the Convention will be wasted, and this historic turning point for our country will be lost.
And pick a FIGHTER for VP, please. Do it yesterday. Obama, you need someone who will push hard at your side and make you better, too. And you never should have gone on vacation (shades of Kerry) without a VP to carry on. Biden will work, I think, but -- and I never expected to believe this -- it might be time to turn to Hillary. She is at least a fighter, and this election really matters to a lot more than you and her.

















Wow! Thank you for saying what needed to be said, Theda.
Sign me up.
August 20, 2008 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Truly awesome summary of recent events. I'm sick of hearing about McCain's service to the country, from OBAMA! It's time to take the gloves off, and grow up. This is about hope and change, but Obama needs to realize that he'll have no opportunity to deliver either if he can't clarify his positions into catchy soundbites and hit McCain often and hard.
As said, this is NOT rocket science.
PEACE
August 20, 2008 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well said Mom!
On this quote hangs the entire election:
"he is going to fade fast if he just runs a feel-good, bland convention about abstract "hope" and "change."
On the other hand, if he can put meat on his resounding platitudes, he'll put McCain away easy.
August 20, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, and bottom line, for me, is if Obama doesn't step up his game, I'll bug the sh*t out of Moveon.org and tell them to tell Team Obama "sorry, glove are off". This is Obama's race to lose, its OUR race to lose. If Team Obama is unwilling to get dirty, the 527's will need to do the job for him.
PEACE
August 20, 2008 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
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August 20, 2008 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
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March 20, 2011 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree Theda. You do not say "That honorable guy questioned my patriotism!" You say, "that asshole had the nerve to question my patriotism because he's either a cranky old man, a senile old man or a desperate old man."
But I'm not sure why you think Biden can help.
August 20, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because Biden's perfect as an attack dog. Loud-mouthed and dismissive of his political opponents. Exactly the opposite of Obama's style, which is what's badly needed right now.
August 20, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looks like the campaign has a muzzle on attack dogs. I can't remember a surrogate attack, or even a strongly worded surrogate remark since Clark's slap down. Chicago's making a huge mistake.
August 21, 2008 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
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December 16, 2010 7:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. Thank you Theda.
I just posted similar points here and here.
August 20, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
It seems like ever since the Wesley Clark fiasco, the Obama camp has decided that they must risk no sharp attacks on McCain.
I don't get this. Clark had a point but he misfired to some extent. This should not have been taken to mean that no sharp attacks could work.
August 20, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed, sTiVo. Clark was perfect to seriously pull rank and ask the questions necessary to poke fatal holes in McCain's narrative; like, "How exactly does 'getting shot down and taken prisoner' (Bob Schieffer's question, we'll recall) qualify a man for president of the United States?" and "Exactly how does McCain know how to win wars?" Too bad the campaign put Wesley Clark and all his old medals back in the box.
August 20, 2008 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I felt the same way about Clark: they should have stood up for him. Here was a Hillary supporter _really_ stepping up to the "we're all on the same team" plate and they dissed him and lost his very on point message in the process.
I had not thought about the fact that he, if anyone, could "pull rank" on McCain. A great observation.
August 20, 2008 9:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I couldn't agree with you more, STiVo. Obviously, the Obama Campaign shouldn't take the same tack as General Clark -- i.e., John McCain's time as a POW doesn't necessarily add to his qualifications to be President -- but there is much distance between that argument and ones based entirely on policy differences. Americans routinely prove that, to them, character matters in a presidential election. What is more, character issues -- perceived or real -- can sink a candidate with superior policy prescriptions (and, one imagines, superior oratorical skills).
Put plainly, John McCain has a character issue, but outside of TPM, DailyKos, Air America, "Countdown with Keith Olbermann," and other liberal (read: truth-telling) venues, there's little, if any, mention of it. The Obama Campaign and Sen. Obama himself need to recognize this and start mentioning this character issue at every opportunity. They also needn't get mired in the weeds explaining the foundation for these character issues. After all, voters tend to remember only declarative statements, anyway -- "John McCain is X, Y, and Z" -- while forgetting or failing to analyze critically the reasons offered for those assertions. (See, e.g., "Britney Spears and Paris Hilton are the second and third biggest celebrities in the world?!")
August 20, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree that Clark "misfired". I think the Republicans were just waiting for someone to make that very point so they they could jump on it and squash it, since McCain's status as POW is evidently what they were planning to build their campaign on all along. (No surprise, they don't have much else.) By creating a giant firestorm the first time someone dared to question that experience as demonstrating fitness to be president, and by intimidating Obama into rejecting Clark's point, they cleared the way to keep pounding the "Vote for me, I was a POW, how dare anyone question me" theme.
Obama played right into their hands.
August 20, 2008 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clark misfired ONLY in that he didn't call Schieffer out on his clearly pro-McSame slant. I am tired of hearing Dems call out Clark for this truly clarifying moment.
August 20, 2008 10:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
He did misfire, in that he said McCain had no leadership experience in the military and that his time as a POW did not qualify. This allowed his remarks to be smeared as "elitist", and of course with Obama not having had any military experience himself, Clark left himself out on a limb.
Clark's point could have been better made. It could have been more sharply focused on his hotheadedness and errors of judgment on Bush's wars. Having been a POW doesn't - all by itself - make one more qualified than anyone who's never been one.
But none of that is the point. The point is that it seems to have spooked the Obama camp away from making any other sharp attacks on McCain.
August 20, 2008 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wrong, wrong and wrong.
Clark gave a straight, accurate, no-nonsense refutation of Schieffer's question. The only misfire came from Clark's Democratic colleagues who failed to counter-attack on his behalf with double the intensity.
You know and I know that if a Democrat criticizes McCain's comb-over, The Right will hyperventilate that they're disrespecting his POW experience. The merits of what any Democrat says is irrelevant; the Right will simply distort and fabricate anyone's words to spin it as an attack.
You draw the erroneous conclusion that if Clark had only used different words the Right wouldn't have smeared him.
Wrong.
Had Clarke's erstwhile allies --especially fellow veterans-- stood by him with double the intensity, the event would have ended positively for Obama and negatively for McCain.
August 21, 2008 12:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
sTiVo,
When CLark made his comment about qualifications, in a snit, Scheiffer asked, "really"
Here's what Clark should have asked that asshole Scheiffer;
"Liberal Senator George McGovern flew 35 bombing missions over enemy territory during WWII, but since he didn't get shot down he wasn't qualified to be President, Bob?"
August 21, 2008 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks. As I have said before, the bottom line is Obadiah (TPM spell check correction for 'obama') has not shown why 'the hands that built.....can now build.....' need Obama to build anything.
It must be shown that under McCain the lobbyists will rule and America will continue to be looted, lied to, and the economy will continue to sink.
Given the choice, many 'undecided' lunchpail types would just as soon build new stuff under an old and 'honorable war hero' (who is white) than a rockstar black with a funny name.
August 20, 2008 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your "bottom line" is copy-pasted on many posts regardless of the topic.
August 20, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
The truth deserves repetition. Hope Obadias is listening.
August 20, 2008 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
With friends like you, who needs enemies? Glad to see the left doing the neocons work for them. No need for them to be overly critical of Obama when the democrats are more than happy to tear him down for not following their advice and having the temerity to keep winning.
Based on all real measures like money raised and primary votes, vice biased polls, Barack is doing just fine. Good thing he is pulling about 20% of the republican vote right now or you clowns would be bitching for the next four years about President McCain and how evil he is.
Principals without pragmatism are useless in moving polical change forward. Obama can't come out swinging for the fences with McCain's head as the ball. It goes against every thing he has already campaigned on. He can't all of sudden become that which he has campaigned against.
Barack didn't have to do it against Clinton. He won't have to do it against McCain. He is barely keeping the corporate media from sinking his campaign as it is. He can't give them a petard on which to hang him between now and November.
Stepping up in front of the VFW and telling them how a decorated POW is evil slime is the exact thing that would make hima footnote instead of president.
Do you guys even read this stuff before you post it? That goes double for the blog that inspired it.
August 21, 2008 6:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know what polls you are reading but McCain has consolidated his base and is pulling a far greater percentage of his base than Obama is his.
August 21, 2008 7:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Polls are worthless and compromised as a method of actually gauging the electorate, especially given how many people are exclusively using cell phones, most of whom are Obama voters. Further, even if the polls can be trusted, this far out they are basically worthless.
If the best you can do is cite polls as to McCain's mythical transcendence, I suggest you look for a more logical baseline. I prefer to use the primary as a good way to examine the data available from this year, rather than trying to fit years past into a changing paradigm and electorate.
August 21, 2008 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
PS: Which part if the democratic base won't vote for Barack? Alternatively, the republican "base" is crumbling, so exactly which part of that disappearing base is he getting more of? This comment makes no sense at all.
August 21, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ole laid back, easy does it, respect McCain the war hero and his service Barack Kerry is on his way to being an also ran.
Obama: 'Folks, make no mistake, I respect the war hero John McCain for his magnificent service to our country and his many honorable years in public service as a U S Senator......'
Public; 'OK, say no more, you convinced me, I'll vote for McCain."
August 20, 2008 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Adding to my own post, I don't really think this afternoon's Obama conference call will work, with Susan Rice and Richard Clarke calling McCain reckless. This theme needs to be in a larger across the board critique and push back -- especially one using his own words to show how hot-triggered he was in the original plunge into Iraq. But don't start a push back with a metaphorically weak point, during a week when Russia is a bete noir for attacking Georgia (which has good ties to the U.S. media). Start with points that bespeak strength first, and don't have experts deliver them. Have political leaders do it.
August 20, 2008 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only way the reckless meme can work is if it's linked to McCain's finger on the (nuclear) button with his "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" playing on loop in the background.
Obama's folks are greatly overestimating the intelligence and/or attention span of the nation.
Also, in today's town hall, McCain basically said we may need to reinstate the draft. Play that over and over again, with photos of children morphing to men/women in uniform.
Scare the crap out of Americans, but make sure that McCain is the scary guy this time.
August 20, 2008 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
It shouldn't be difficult to make McCain seem scary, Spencers Mom. He's a nightmare. I used to think it couldn't get worse after the Cheney/Bush cabal ripped The Constitution to shreds and sent our young to kill and be killed for the PNAC. I've reassessed.
August 20, 2008 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. Need a real time hook for that. Attack hard and have patience, McCain will provide the video tape soon enuf
August 21, 2008 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
And while you're at it, the democratic congress needs to get off their collective ass and start acting like a democratic congress. Introduce new bills, talk up new programs, deliver some change that can help people. What a disaster Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have been for the party. I have never seen a party so uninvolved in a national election as important as this.
August 20, 2008 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Theda Skocpol for VP. It's not too late!!
August 20, 2008 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
This (and Josh's front page post) should drive NCSteve and his brethren right through the roof! Heh-heh...
"Everything is fine!"
"You just wait til after the convention!"
"Just wait til he picks a running mate!"
"Just wait til he start really fighting back!"
"Who are you to question his campaign team?"
"How many campaigns have you run?"
"Watch what you say!! The MSM is watching and taking notes!"
*sigh*
August 20, 2008 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remember this?
"One thing about John Kerry, he's a great closer. He knows when his homework is due. He picks his moment to fight back. Just wait till he swings into action... just wait... keep waiting... keeeep waaaaiting..."
August 21, 2008 1:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great stuff, Theda. I swear (or affirm, actually) that I didn't read you before I posted mine. This fight-back can't just be left to surrogates. Obama's a better speaker than any of them will be--any.
August 20, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with the gist of your sentiments, but I suggest you lose the wimpy "-back" in "fight back" and simply advocate going on the ATTACK. Attack first, and don't -- ever -- apologize for getting truthfully aggressive. Let the Republicans take a shot of the awful truth first and then stagger around trying to figure out how to "fight back." Put them on the defensive.
The entire point of Barack Obama's problem here stems from his (and his party's) instinct to take a punch rather delivering a barrage of them instead. Americans do not sympathize with the victim of a mugging but rather admire the audacity and ruthlessness of the mugger. Barack Obama claims to hail from Chicago politics but his take-it-on-the-chin campaigning lately sure doesn't support that claim.
August 21, 2008 12:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Act, and stop reacting.
I'm quite tired of the Democrats inability or unwillingness (epitomized by the Obama camp) to not go on attack.
August 21, 2008 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Todd,
I agree, it can't be left to surrogates as that would leave Obama to look wimpy, something every Democrat should try to avoid.
August 21, 2008 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Preach it sister.
August 20, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Obama needs to change the direction of his attack. Don't take the battle to McCain, take it to the Republicans -- make THAT the focus. Attacking McCain personally is a no-win. He is viewed as a war hero and a likeable guy. Nobody's going to change that paradigm in a couple of months.
Obama needs to make the narrative that this is a choice between him and the party that brought you the catastrophe the United States is suffering today.
He needs to be asking the "are you better off today that yesterday?" question over and over. REMIND people what McCain's party has wrought, NOT what McCain has done personally. He's seen as a candidate who has bucked the party, so that dog won't hunt.
August 20, 2008 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I could hardly agree with you more.
McCain is a Republican and they as a party have been guiding this ship FAR too long.
So screw McCain, he is one of them (not a maverick) and let's get a new philosophy going.
August 20, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, you just do not seem to get it. The McCain war hero automatically wins no matter how you try to parse it. And you are just too stupid to understand. McCain will simply say that he is the Maverick of the party and that he will change the party. Of course, you will sit back and suck your thumb because you will not attack the War Hero. Then he will simply lie and eviscerate Obama. But you will not question his methods because it scares you to take on the War Hero. We already see the ads touting him as coming in to change DC. You have already conceded the argument and if you try to change, they will merely point out that a War Hero would not lie.
There is only one workable strategy at this point. First, stop praising McCain. He does not praise Obama. He mocks Obama. He pisses on Obama and you are too stupid to realize the Obama validates it with his simpering responses. Second, you wait till somebody else brings up the issue. Then Obama should use the following statement:
"Yes, McCain was indeed a good soldier when a POW. But something has changed in Senator McCain with the passage of the decades since the Vietnam War. He is not the same man that he was even during the 2000 primary campaign when he held honor over the smear tactics used against him by Bush and Karl Rove. Indeed, that was the McCain who said that there would be a special place in hell for Karl
Rove and those like him.
Perhaps it is ambition as John said himself in his book on the 2000 campaign: - add quote - . We do know that John started these demeaning ads after his chief campaign strategist became - add name. Karl Rove's second in command.
I am sorry to see the old John McCain. You know, the John McCain who criticized the extremism of certain leaders of the extreme religious right now embrace them. I miss the old John McCain who was the Maverick and was independent until he moved to gain political points by changing his views on taxes, drilling, ect. I miss the old John McCain who fought special interests until he finally gave in to staff his campaign with lobbyists. I miss the old John McCain that would not question the patriotism of another member in the Senate. "
It is tough, but appropriate and would be very effective. There was nothing more pathetic than General Petin the hero of France during WWI who became the puppet of the Nazi's in Vichy France during WWII. The past is past and sometimes you just have to break those old myths.
August 20, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice. YES. Does Obama have the cajones to do this?
August 20, 2008 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whoops, sorry about the bold type -- that was a boo-boo.
August 20, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
what a major league disappointment this Obama campaign has become. Kerry redux. In fairness to Kerry, the attacks on Obama are not anything compared to the swift boat attacks on Kerry. The McCain camp will not even need the heavy-duty stuff. McCain supports the worst president in history, weds himself to an incredibly unpopular war, supports the economic policies that are impoverishing the middle class, flips repeatedly on every issue, has character issues a mile long and the Obama camp is on the defensive every day. The Democratic Party, aka "Wimps 'R Us".
August 20, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is on track to lose.
The supposed high point of the campaign, the convention, is happening as Obama is failing.
Everyday, every thread has Obama supporters screaming for him to get tough. He hasn't and at this point really can't. It will just seem desperate.
How can you continue to ignore the fact that essentially as many people who supported Obama as the nominee also supported Clinton?
The trend and momentum are all important in an election. Right now McCain has it and is likely to keep it. There is really only one way to change the dynamic of this race in the Democrats favor. You guessed it: Hillary Clinton.
Clinton needs to be offered a free and clear shot to be the nominee at the convention. It would change the entire dynamic, through McCain off his game. She demonstrated quite well that she is a fighter and will not quit.
With the calls for Obama to win at any cost, attack, attack, attack, raise massive money to buy the election how can you all ignore that those methods were exactly what you claimed to despise in Clinton. Hillary Clinton is the only way to pull this one out of the fire.
August 20, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are just a stupid person. I don't understand how you can even occasionally read this site, and still be as stupid as you are.
August 20, 2008 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for your thoughtful response. It is typical of myopic Obamites.
August 20, 2008 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sear this onto the shriveled surface of your cerebral cortex: HILLARY CLINTON LOST SIX MONTHS AGO. SHE IS NOT IN CONTENTION FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION IN 2008, NOR IS ANYONE OTHER THAN BARACK OBAMA. Honestly, how can you be so goddamned stupid? I'm just asking. You children love to talk about how "Obamabots" don't pay attention to reality, ignore their candidate's weaknesses, etc. Speck in our eye, versus 7,000-acre old-growth redwood forest in yours, anyone? Does it not occur to you that it might be a fairly serious flaw with your perfect savior candidate that she couldn't even win a series of elections among a big group of Democrats, the party she is a member of, to be their nominee?
Just...no. No, no, no, no. There is less than zero chance Hillary will be the nominee in 2008. Were you standing around in December 2004, speculating about how maybe John Kerry could pull off a surprise at the meeting of the Electoral College? How fucking stupid do you have to be to believe that Clinton has a chance in a convention at which an outright majority of the delegates are either pledged or long-time supporters of Barack Obama? Especially when the majority of her support has long since shifted to him? You and your ilk are just so sad, and so trapped in your alternate fantasy world.
August 20, 2008 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn, this site could really use a preview function for comments. The bold tags are supposed to close when the capital letters end. Oh well.
August 20, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Certain gusts of wind blow through here SS451 because they want somebody to pay attention to them. They are defined by externals not interiors It makes them feel significant when the bait is taken. Sadly, it inevitably is.
As thinking beings we can learn by our mistakes, though.
August 20, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
714Day,
excellent point.
August 21, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is running a classical Democratic campaign.
The Democrats are only placeholders until we can find something better (a third party that will replace it).
They have run Congress so poorly that maybe it wasn't such a good idea for them to become (care of Lieberman) the majority Party in both houses.
The need for a third party has not been so great since the 1850's.
Since Obama is a Dem, I expected this poor campaign, and I expect it to get worse.If he wins, it will be in spite of his Party, not because of it. And if he loses, the only good that could possibly come of it would be that it will end the Democratic party as we know it.
August 20, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
He is running a classic democratic campaign? Name one democrat in the last 40 years who captured a significant percentage of the republican vote in the primaries.
Obama is running the anti-liberal campaign. He isn't afraid to talk about faith. he isn't afraid to talk about race. He isn't afraid to talk to us like adults. He doesn't want string up republicans in retribution for Bush and the neocons crimes.
He is the anti Democrat. That's why he is winning.
August 21, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I posted this over at Steve Clemons' site and I am reposting it here. Thank you Theda. I am so worried about the VP choice -- I fear that it is going to be the nail in the momentum coffin:
Remember all the excitement generated by the Clinton/Obama
primary? How with every state's turn to vote the media
breathlessly reported on all the thousands and thousands of new
voters, the long lines to vote, the harried local/county registars
talking about running out of ballots for people? How they'd
"never seen such numbers," how the excitement was palpable
and unprecedented, how the turn-out was like no other primary
in recent memory?
That's all over now, isn't it. The zeitgeist is flat and stale. Bored,
even.
With Clinton out of the mix, Obama now stands alone -- and he
is in total free-fall against one of the most comprised
presidential nominees in a very, very long time.
Pick Clinton. Bring back the vigor and excitement of the primary.
She's been through the ringer for the past, oh, 30 years, and she
can stand her own.
Talk about being seen as a sure bet on the economy. And of
course she has down sides, but who doesn't? Hair-plug Biden?
Please, talk about a Beltway Porcellian lifer. That choice would
certainly support the BO theme of change, huh.
But for me, an Obama voter, a cost-benefit analysis of a Clinton
VP shows far more upsides. She's such a known quantity, and
that would really counter his problem of being the exact
opposite.
She will also be one of the most effective fighters available -- in
direct opposition to Obama's current offensive strategy (term
used very loosely) of rainbows, unicorns, and sunny Shirley
Temples sent out to fight the Wehrmacht.
If Obama is too prissy to get down in the dirt with McCain then
for the love of god -- for the sake of our country -- choose
someone who will.
August 20, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen to that
It just does not seem to be in Obama's psychological makeup to get down and dirty and finish the old fart off. Hillary can do it. But she will be at the bottom of the ticket and if she does what she does so well she will make Obama look like HE should be on the bottom of the ticket.
It is really tragic.
Obama lives in a world where he thinks that the way for him to get elected he has to match the oratory of Martin Luther King. He is no Martin Luther King, and even if he were to be, THAT would not get him elected president either. Kennedy who could match MLK in oratory decided—wisely—to pick Johnson as his VP.
I have argued elsewhere that Obama is in a difficult position. If he gets down and dirty with McCain, people will see it as an "uppity" response. If he takes the high road (which is what he is trying to do), he seems like a weak sister. So what is the answer?
My suggestion is
1) Pick Hillary.
2) Adopt a position that is neither wimpy nor aggressive. Exactly how that would look, I still don't know. Obama has some very strong assets: he is thoughtful. McCain--in contrast--is THOUGHTLESS. You can be thoughtful and still not project an air of wimpiness and you can be thoughtless and fail to convince the masses that you know what you are doing.
It is true that McCain's bellicosity comes through as "assertive" even "decisive". He is taking a page from Bush Jr. who also milked that confusion for all it was worth.
The trick is not to succumb to bellicosity, but to make McCain look reckless and dangerous for our country: which HE REALLY IS.
Stick with what is true.
America cannot afford another four years of reckless bellicosity. Tie McCain's bellicosity to Bush's. Ask the rhetorical question
Can we as Americans afford to elect a president who shows all the signs of being dangerously bellicose in a world that needs thoughtfulness?"
That would be my approach off hand.
Let Hillary do the dirty work.
It is Kennedy/Johnson all over again.
August 20, 2008 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hear! Hear!
I've felt that way since February, but the fact is we're stuck with him. Our only chance is if somehow, somebody talks some sense into him so he gets off his ass and fights to win. I ain't holding my breath though.
August 21, 2008 2:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm honestly dumfounded by the Democrats' collective refusal to use words like "lie" to describe deliberate falsehoods and "liar' to describe those who lie.
Obama’s problem is that his responses to McCain are cerebral, not visceral. The average American voter is ill-informed and apathetic. Because it takes far more than a single election cycle or a 30 second ad to educate a voter it is far more effective to appeal to their raw emotion than to reason. Republicans have recognized and exploited this basic fact of American politics for a generation.
If Obama wants to win this thing, he needs to stop saying McCain is a Bush clone or that he favors tax cuts for the rich and start selling the story that McCain is a borderline-senile, cranky old son-of-a-bitch who thinks he’s better than the rest of us.
It ain't bean bag!
August 20, 2008 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cheshire, if they started calling McCain and Repubs liars, it might raise questions about why it took them so long to figure it out...
The ostrich approach is the one they adopted long ago. An ostrich does not turn into an eagle overnight.
August 20, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
An ostrich doesn't turn into an eagle overnight, which is another reason to bring Hillary on as VP. No one is going to see it as inconsistent if the first thing Hillary does is goes down to the school yard and rips McWimpy's balls off with nary a flick of her wrist.
August 20, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
An important point here: an ostrich doesn't EVER turn into an eagle is the reality.
We need Democrats who aren't beholden to the very same interests the Republicans are beholden to. Unless and until that day comes we're all fucked.
August 21, 2008 2:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
...and where are all the usually feisty Dems who can tell it like
it is such as Carville and Begala??? They've been awfully and oddly silent. Are they all still mourning Hill? Come on guys! Isn't the prospect of the neocons for 4 more years destroying America enough to motivate y'all to move?! I hate to say it but, country first... ouch. If I didn't know better I'd say they all want O to lose, then again, maybe they do but at what cost to us all?
August 20, 2008 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree completely. Have we learned nothing in the last 2 elections? Obama needs to run a campaign that is the polar opposite of Kerry 04.
If he picks Bayh, it will be a disaster of epic proportions.
Bring on a fighter like Clark, or even Hillary. Actually, Hillary is looking a lot more appealing these days.
August 20, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agree-Hillary ain't looking so bad, although she has got little chance to get VP.
August 20, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is almost like the Obama campaign is trying to win the approval of a hand full of media pundits. When they don't give their approval (as in the Clark dust up) they drop their heads, sulk away and try something else. It is just time for Obama to realize that it is better to be respected than liked. The media types aren't going to like him anyway. Punch McCain in the nose. If he gets up, punch him again.
The other day I say a wonderful memo from the Obama camp outlining McCain's weakness on womens issues. He could win the election if he just hits McCain and kept hitting him on his anti-woman positions. I saw a wonderful memo but no follow up. No comment in the press. Nothing. Just a damn memo outlining exactly how to hit McCain.
The same on national security. McCain is a hothead of the first order. Obama's surrogates have said so this afternoon. I bet by tomorrow morning that approach will fall by the wayside as some pundit says it is unfair to McCain or some other person on the Obama campaign wimps out.
The story for the next two months should be about McCain's weaknesses. The story should be unrelenting.
August 20, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
How about one ad -- just one ad -- repeating or eluding to some of Sen. McCain's (in)famous jokes or off-the-cuff (and off-color) comments? Even if the punditocracy questioned whether the ad went below the belt, that at least would ensure that the country would be hearing about the rest of Sen. McCain's character. Can any of you see your septuagenarian or octogenarian grandparents -- grandmothers, in particular -- casting their ballot for someone who thinks a woman being raped by an ape is funny, or who thinks calling his wife a "trollop" and likening her to a four-lettered expletive for women is appropriate?
August 20, 2008 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
By the way, where is he spending all of his campaign cash?
I'm not seeing many ads, and the ones I am seeing are blah, blah and blah.
Jeez, put the Will.I.Am videos on TV. Anything effective.
I can only hope he is saving all of his firepower for the fall.
August 20, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope the Obama campaign reads this (and other intelligent criticism) and puts its recommendations into action, including selecting Hillary as VP (never thought I'd say it).
August 20, 2008 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good post. I agree. Americans will not elect a wimp! Pleading for decent conduct from McCain is what weak children do against a bully. The messages continuous on television is that Obama is a celebrity, will raise taxes for families, and is not ready for leadership. And from Obama? Not much that sticks in my mind. Something about the same ole, same ole.
As far as the VFW speech, what the heck was he thinking?
Clinton lost because she had no plan B. Obama's people though it was because they beat her. McCain was watching.
Almost every Democrat knows they can lose the race in August. Obama went on vacation. Well, at least he didn't go windsurfing.
McCain has the momentum and if Obama does not wake up, it will become a landslide.
Just as Obama seems to give long winded responses, perhaps his people read how it was to be the Democrats year, and forgot they had to fight for it.
August 20, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Obama wants to continue to produce change and be seen as reaching across the aisle, I think Chuck Hagel would be a great VP choice. Hagel is an veteran who bucked his party, and criticized the war when it was VERY unpopular in his party to do so.
He has loads of foreign policy experience, and he's a forceful speaker.
August 20, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently Barack has lost the election? Thanks for the update. I slept through the past two months. November 5th sure did get here fast.
August 20, 2008 5:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bless you for making your point very clearly to the Obama Camp. It's so damned frightening to watch hopelessly as McSame gains in the polls when he should be way behind. For America's sake, Mr. Obama, heed the warnings before it's too late! You CANNOT REASON with emotional Americans. Hit McShame in the gut, and DO NOT LET UP!
August 20, 2008 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
OMG
He's gonna lose it.
August 20, 2008 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. Who pays attention to the surrogates' conference calls anyway?
August 20, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen to everything. If you knew me, you'd know how incredible this next is, but I even agree that it might be time to make Hillary the VP. Things do change.
August 20, 2008 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
O is not a wimp. He is tough but he is a finesse player, like his basketball game. But I do think that he has to adjust to the opponent's game because they got his number now.
He needs to grind it out and put him on his heels.
August 20, 2008 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bah!
I've seen no evidence at all to suggest you are correct about this. His lack of ever having had a difficult election is showing here very clearly. He doesn't know how to fight and he's demonstrating that ever day. It isn't finesse, it's ineptitude.
August 21, 2008 2:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Amen to everything. If you knew me, you'd know how incredible this next statement is, but I even agree that it might be time to make Hillary the VP. Things do change. (And, like they say: Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.)
August 20, 2008 5:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
A few last thoughts before I get back to work:
Many people are desperately hoping the Obama GOTV operation will save the day. I know I am. I cling to it because it's the only thing that seems to be going well right now. But isn't a successful, election-determining GOTV operation predicated on the idea that the people you get to the polls give a sh*t about the candidate? I mean, what happens when there's a huge GOTV operation for a candidate that no one cares about? So what? Great, you got all 400 Obama enthusiasts to the local Vegas ballot box. Seems to me that a passion-filled GOTV operation needs passion for the candidate in order to work, right? I don't know, but after the excitement of the primary the bloom sure does seem to be off that rose.
And then I hope for an exciting VP choice, but man, that VP choice is going to be the consensus of all the geniuses who are advising Obama to be above the fray and praise McCain. Hello, their judgement sucks!!
August 20, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK... to be fair... As someone has pointed out several times. McCain does seem to have a ceiling. He is throwing quite a lot of money around and advertising heavily and yet it's still close. Maybe Obama's campaign really is holding their fire, their cash, their rough and tumble smack-backs until after the convention and VP pick. Fine. I hope those folks are right. This, however, doesn't negate everything Theda, Todd, and Josh (and a few of us readers, to be a bit conceited here. ;^}) have said. The VFW speech was weak, there should already be hard hitting ads about McCains duplicity, etc... Not later, now!
Yes, Theda, it's way past time for them to wake up.
August 20, 2008 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank God we know that Obama reads TPM.
OBAMA! Listen to Skocpol! All of your supporters want you to start playing hardball! All of us! You won't be disappointing anyone! You said this is our campaign, right? Okay. I vote for you to start swinging.
Put on some AC/DC and start hammering the old geezer! Because that's what he is, Obama: a DANGEROUS, CREEPY, RICH, OUT-OF-TOUCH, MEAN-SPIRITED GEEZER!
August 20, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
THANK YOU!!!! I couldn't agree more. There are 2 campaigns taking place here. The "hit hard and fight back campaign" from sites like this (and Jed, C&L,Americablog etc.), and then there's Obama's and the DNC. It would behoove them to take note of this article and fix their campaign now.
August 20, 2008 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think they are just getting started! I have learned throughout this campaign not to underestimate this guy. Every time I think he got it wrong, he comes out smelling like a rose. The combination of Rev Wright and taking on the Clintons would have decimated most politicians. But, he is still standing. I suspect a lot more is coming soon.
August 20, 2008 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great Post!
If only someone from the Obama campaign could read your post.
That's exactly how many of us feel.
Hoping for Biden as VP but it will probably be Bayh who isn't really a fighter.
At this point I don't have much hope for a fighting VP choice.
August 20, 2008 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maritza,
Obama needs to take Hillary as his VP, and if he does that, McCain is a goner.
August 20, 2008 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
The situation is close to dire. At this point I'm sorry I didn't invest my time and money in Hillary. What's going on in Chicago?
August 20, 2008 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Theda,
Well said. Wake up! Obama. Forget Kaine, Biden and Bayh. You and ur campaign quite your stubbornness and tap HRC for the number two.
August 20, 2008 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama’s opponent is NOT McCain right now. Obama’s real opponent is Obama. The problem with Obama is his arrogant thinking that he has the CREDIBILITY as a Democratic Party Leader. The primary electorate who voted for him overlooked his major weaknesses. First of all, he should accept that. Moreover, he doesn’t have any credibility to attack McCain because of his lack of presence in the National or State political scene in the last several years. Even his VP (like Biden, Nunn , Hillary) candidates may have credibility attacking McCain not him. Obama wasted almost two months of precious time with a ton of campaign money. With his ton of campaign money, he could have orchestrated several monologue type solo prime-time national town hall meetings (like Hillary’s Hallmark Channel town-hall meeting) to explain each of his public policy positions (Health Care/Economy & taxes/Foreign Policy/Iraq war etc) in a very substantive manner. Also, Obama could have used the friendly MSM to write positive things about his town-hall meetings. By presenting this way, the UNDECIDED ELECTORATE would have taken him seriously as a substantive leader. Since this was not done, the celebrity ads by McCain camp worked. It is already too late. Obama cannot do this in Denver convention. Right after convention, instead of big rallies and inspiring speeches, he should immediately conduct these kinds of solo National Town Hall Meetings in the prime time in NBC/CBS/ABC. This should be done before the first presidential debate and the World Series. Otherwise the game is over.
(Bill Clinton conducted these kinds of solo town hall meetings in 1992 and impressed lot of people like me with his substantive knowledge in Economy. His substantive explanation of Volcker/Carter’s fiasco in raising interest rates during 1976-80 recession time was hailed by the press and the electorate. At that time he was a small state governor and the electorate doesn’t know him either.)
August 20, 2008 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Marshall Ganz is god
Theda Skocpol is goddess!
August 20, 2008 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am glad you write this post. I have written on the campaign website myself, perhaps, they would feel the same sense of urgency that we felt.
This is no primary season any longer. Obama needs to step up his game and go after McCain real hard. McCain's new radio Ad is brutal and i am surprise Obama didn’t use the same language first. The Ad basically accused Obama of taxing our children to pay for his spending.
August 20, 2008 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn, get out and knock some doors. This at home punditry exercise is pathetic. Decide to win your precinct and make it happen.
August 20, 2008 5:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is Ploufe thinking, especially after a brilliant primary campaign? The only plausible - though hardly reasonable - explanation is that he wants Obama going into the fall election season as the underdog. Meanwhile Obama is squandering the excitement of a lot of the young people who got him where he is, including me.
The campaign strategy should be simple: Let Obama be Obama.
August 20, 2008 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama never was the Obama in your head.
August 20, 2008 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well since every single commenter seems to agree wholeheartedly, how about I actually dissent from the Greek chorus of "woe woe is us our guy's a loser and if Hillary doesn't save him we're all doomed"?
Here's my take on it; just the opposite:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/deanie-mills/
We can all learn a little something from Ali's Rope-a-Dope.
Oh--and I thought the VFW speech was brilliant, as did my combat-vet husband, my combat-vet son, and other combat vets I know. It was McCain who was the whiner, and Obama who was coming up with real policies to help real veterans while McCain talked about restricting their care even MORE.
Don't think they don't know the difference.
Fighting isn't about just being tough. It's also about being SMART.
August 20, 2008 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain, a war hero who was held prisoner by the Vietnamese for over 5 years, has a lifetime of foreign policy experience, not including the over 5 years the war hero spent as a POW in Vietnam. John McCain, former POW and war hero, also happens to be a war hero who was held prisoner by the North Vietnamese for over 5 years.
McCain is a war hero, do you hear me????
McCain was a POW. He doesn’t like talking about it.
August 20, 2008 5:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Panama-John McBomb would HAVE to start tooting his own "noun, verb, and POW" horn if Barack Obama would just shut up and stop doing it for him.
I mean, why doesn't Obama just come out and say: "Please vote for my honorable, heroic opponent John McBomb because this honorable and heroic patriot honorably and which such heroism voted to help Depuby Dubya Bush lie their own country into disastrous stud-hamster vendetta against the toothless Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Only heroes and honorable statesmen would do such a noble thing, and no one should even dream of casting aspersions upon such honorable and heroic patriots. They only want the best for America."
"Now, as for the reasons you should vote for me, Barack Obama, when the honorable and heroic John McBomb has called me an unpatriotic foreign muslim who only wants America to lose in Iraq, well, if you give me an hour to stop praising the honorable and heroic John McBomb first, then I might possibly get around to telling you about myself whose patriotism John McBomb and the Republican Party have so honorably and with such heroism impugned."
The Republicans don't even need to raise a ton of money to buy anti-Obama adds on Hillbilly Cable TV networks. Barack Obama and the Democrats will gladly spend their own supporters' money buying adds repeating every falsehood (borrowed from the defunct and debt-ridden Clinton campaign) that McBomb can sling at the "traitor Democrat Party" and their unpatriotic foreign muslim candidate that only wants America to lose in Iraq (after Deputy Dubya and the Republicans have already lost for six years in Iraq.)
Oh, and did I mention that Barack Obama and the hapless Democratic Party "leadership" should not repeat even once whatever lies their reactionary repugnant opponent -- a dishonorable war-loving fraud not even born in America -- tells about them every two minutes 24/7?
August 21, 2008 9:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
LET RALPH DEBATE!
Wow, I can feel you Maniacs frothing like Old Yeller right now ... Damn ... I love you guys, though ... :)
Who the Hell is running shit at Savior Central? How can a guy as charismatic as Obama be blowing a campaign to a senile nitwit who, in the words of the "esteemed" Pat Buchanan, makes Dick Cheney look like Gandhi?
I'd absolutely love to support Obama. But I don't know who he is or what he stands for. Take the fucking reigns off, and let's see the community organizer from the South Side, not this manufactured Stepford Democrat.
Quit courting Centrist, "Undecided" NASCAR Dad and pull real progressives back into the fold. FDR is rolling in his damn grave.
ARRRGGGHHHHHHH!
I hope someone from his damn campaign is reading this. I do not vote based on electability; rather, I vote based on my beliefs. That said, Obama better get me and the other Five Percenters hot and bothered, and quickly.
August 20, 2008 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
More surrogates
More attacks
Repeat similar lines of attack ad nauseum until they stick. A few times is not enough. Call McCain "hothead" or "cheater" every day until November.
And excoriate the SOB at the convention. Rip into him. Not just feel good stuff. Last time in 2004, it was all feel good and the GOP's was nothing but negative attacks. They got the bounce we didn't
August 20, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
And further, Obama won't lose this. He really believes that "this election isn't about me." If you're not taking action at the local level to persuade your undecided neighbors then you're responsible for loosing this election. Ground game is more than GOTV, that's how he won Iowa, with a sustainable neighbor to neighbor persuasion tactic. Are you all waiting for vindication of your doomsday scenarios so that you'll be crowned head predictor? That's folly. Decide that we will win this and make it happen.
August 20, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
OBAMA!
McCain said the solution to our financial woes is to...get a second job!
Dude, replay that over and over again! We're americans! We hate working our EXISTING jobs, let alone ANOTHER job. He's a rich man telling us to GET A SECOND JOB.
August 20, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
SOMEBODY,
PLEASE CALL THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN IN CHICAGO.
To reach the Campaign Headquarters by phone, please call: (866) 675-2008
August 20, 2008 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes absolutely call HQ because David FREAKING Axelrod hasn't ALREADY thought about EVERY SINGLE STUPID suggestion that has been made here. Give me a break!
August 20, 2008 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is great. As if getting the right strategy up the flag poll is the most effective move to make. You're all smart people here. Take that passion to your neighbor's doorstep. Influence your sphere, that's how this works.
August 20, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, you're right, I suppose, that there's a lot of armchair quarterbacking going on here (and I've done more than my share). But I think that's just the frustration coming through. Believe me, I thought Obama would go wire to wire pulling away, but it hasn't happened and I'm getting nervous. I'm really worried about this nation and I am desperate to get Obama elected. But when you say one should influence one's sphere (tend your own garden?) I'm not sure what that means. I don't know many people who like to discuss politics. Though I believe this is the main source of the political dysfunction in the nation, it is, nevertheless, the reality. Should I try to make people listen or proselytize on the corner? Plus, typing is a lot easier.
August 20, 2008 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama needs to be the one who stands up and takes on McCAin,
August 20, 2008 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama on GOP: 'If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun'
The Hill , June 14, 2008
August 20, 2008 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
@JohnMcCSF
Thanks so much for reminding me of this gem. The Obama campaign also promised a quick response team as well. And yes they have perfected the non-response. After all, if you neuter the '527's' to control your message, and you rule out attacks on McCain's character, all the while he is attacking on these grounds, and you preface any comment about McCain with a deferential obeisance to his honorable service (has anyone else other than McCaqin EVER served this country? I think not), his patriotism, his heroism, his courage then I think it is a little hard to ever come up to the stature of Saint McCain. Forget of course his daily opportunistic changes, his adultery, his lies, his temper, his connection with lobbyists, the Keating five.
August 20, 2008 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice words from Obama. That's where it ends. Every time McCain's campaig savages him and he doesn't respond I think of that quote and how it was nothing but smoke being blown up people's asses.
August 21, 2008 2:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great find! Not only is Obama not bringing a gun to the fight... he's a) bringing a stronly worded letter of condemnation and b) whining to the cops / his mom about the other side.
A gun, guys, represents an escalation. I.e., you question my patriotism and I will call you out for the horrible way you treated your first wife. How would you like an ad about that on Christian radio?
August 21, 2008 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ground game isn't worth a bucket of warm spit without a MESSAGE. (And I don't mean vague handwaving about hope.)
August 20, 2008 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know what the democratics (obama x2: ie. Kerry, and Gore) remind me of?
A guy who can't break up with his girlfriend because he's been taught to be too nice.
August 20, 2008 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
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August 20, 2008 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Put me in the Greek chorus of those questioning Obama's campaign. And as I wrote over at Deanie's post, while rope-a-dope might have worked for Ali against the stronger puncher turned grill man Foreman in Zaire, it's not a campaign strategy. Anyone thinking that we should let McCain punch himself out is in a dangerous fantasyland.
As for the guerilla's prescriptions, they seem so obvious it hardly bears mentioning, but here are a few.
Define your opponent. Define yourself.
Define your opponent: The Republicans have been successful by going after the candidate's perceived strengths. Kerry portrayed himself as a heroic soldier. Cue the Swiftboaters. Obama draws huge crowds and adulation? It's nothing but celebrity. McCain? His biggest asset is his image as a maverick and a straight talker, someone who acts on principle: Cue the video showing his numerous reversals on issues like the Bush tax cuts. Seen as independent of GWB: Cue the video of him praising Bush as one of our greatest Presidents. Correctly supported the surge: Cue the video of his many statements that victory was around the corner.
Define yourself: The change theme has run its course. That may have appealed to the Democratic primary electorate, but as Hillary's success in the later primaries indicates, the voters who are likely to decide this election want something else. Hammer the economic message. Show some fire in the belly. Some understanding. A plan of action. Don't run away from the Clinton administration's record on the economy. The primary is over. Voters trust the Democrats on the economy for a reason. Drop the rhetoric about blaming Washington and add some meat and potatoes.
August 20, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
There wasn't anything wrong with the change theme, he just doesn't have the political courage to risk changing anything. The same is true of the entire party. Americans DO want change. They're just disgusted with the Democrats for having no change to offer.
August 20, 2008 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
@bluebell
exactly right. the country is desperate for change. and the Dems brought out the clowns. I thought this time we might actually have a contest. But I think our heroes have already said "no mas". There's no fight in this bunch. They lose because, ...well, that's what they do best. it's not even the losing that's the worst part...the worst part is there's not even a fight.
August 20, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree vlaslo!
If we have to lose it's best to lose having given it your all and gone down swinging. Bowing down meekly and allowing them to chop off your head is unacceptable.
August 21, 2008 2:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
bluebell,
excellent observation.....sadly.
August 21, 2008 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
oooh, good one! It's so ironic because during the primary he was trying to hide his actual Clintonian economic preferences to differentiate himself. That theme needs to start yesterday! Seems to me that would go a very long way to getting him the voters that he needs. Really, the minute Hillary pledged her support he shoulda started talking about bringing "chang,e" change right back to Clinton's economy. Heck, any damage of GOP attempts to cry "tax and spend liberal" solves itself with the crucial demographics by doing that--i.e., "were you unhappy with Bill Clinton's tax rates and what they 'did' to all classes"?
August 20, 2008 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
P.S. And the beauty of it is, it's pretty much the truth if you look at his economic advisors and plans. Why is he continuing to hide this connection? To be his own man or something? That would be absurd. We all know a lot of Hillary's votes in those crucial late states were really votes hoping she'd be Bill Clinton II on the economy. Heck, even her win in New Hampshire after the polls were studied showed her win to be more about "it's the economy stupid, we want Bill times back," than her supposed finding herself stuff.
To lefties who don't like the reality of it, and don't want to see Rubinomics again, I say: you've been in denial, neither Obama nor Hillary were ever for you. If any difference at all, Hillary on this stuff actually had a smidgen bit more left ideas than her husband, and Obama's white papers and promises have all a smidgen closer to Bill.
August 20, 2008 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem with the Obama campaign is they refuse to seek help. Since getting the nomination many party elders and third parties have complained about the Obama campaign Chicago inner circle. Here's the problem: the Obama campaign got too confident about their November prospects not realizing McCain is an acquired(stale and sour) but acquired.
August 20, 2008 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Without reading this post. Was it a bunch of whining about what Obama isn't doing with the magic formula for what he should be doing followed by a bunch of "RIGHT ON!", "YOU SAID IT!" and other such nonsense.
So-called "progressives" are the most limp-spined, chicken-little, Pollyannish cowards around.
I like how Obama is running his campaign. Weeks of McCain's negative attacks and Obama is STILL winning. Now we're seeing the beginnings of Obama's classy assault. But you all want him to be as big a douche as McCain in doing it.
Pathetic.
August 20, 2008 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look, we adore Obama. And regardless of the negative attacks from McCain, OBAMA WILL WIN. But we cannot afford to repeat the same mistakes Kerry made in 2004.
August 20, 2008 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right on with your assessment. I could not agree more.
August 20, 2008 7:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I Luv you Starky.
You have me laughing out loud: "Without reading this post." Excellent. When did Dems take the "reactionary" mantle from Republicans?
And to add some rich frosting to what was already a delicious cake, you resort to name-calling.
But wait, there's more!
You can't even explain *why* progressives are "the most limp-spined, chicken-little, Pollyannish cowards around." Care to give an example? Because we all know what a pussy Ralph Nader is, right? He's only made a fucking career out of taking on huge corporations with little more than sheer balls.
Do you mean his supporters? Not sure who you're referring to, but I have at least three heated daily discussions with coworkers and random strangers in parking lots who don't like my bumper sticker. And just like you, Starky, when it comes down to issues, not one of you can give me a straight answer.
Balls ... Maybe the Savior should grow some. You keep hemming and hawing, and you keep settling for incremental change, at best. Your party is dead, and you're throwing a rave.
Get out the glowsticks -- may as well be completely delusional. Voting for Obama is like getting half a blowjob -- come on, Dude! Just pull the lever for McCain and get full release.
And this is why I Luv Starky: he's the perfect Obamaniac. He can't give me a good reason to vote for Obama, which is what I was verily begging for ... most likely because Obama's got a sprained groin from riding that fence so hard.
Now you'll have to excuse me -- Ralph needs more money before midnight.
August 20, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
A wimpy campaign?
By a Democrat?
Shocking!
Alas, when will they ever learn ...
August 20, 2008 6:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Although the situation is concerning but it is NOT dire.
Hello it is August BEFORE the Democratic convention.
Now if Obama was BEHIND in October than the situation would be considered dire.
August 20, 2008 6:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
If nothing else will put fire under his pants...hell yes, start a fire.
August 20, 2008 6:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Although the situation is concerning but it is NOT dire.
Hello it is August BEFORE the Democratic convention.
Now if Obama was BEHIND in October than the situation would be considered dire.
August 20, 2008 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
If nothing else will put fire under his pants...hell yes, start a fire.
August 20, 2008 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
AMEN!!! Sums it up.
August 20, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like a lot of other people I couldn't agree more. I've posted as much. But hold on to your hats. He's going to pick Bayh and that should seal the deal for McCain.
August 20, 2008 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen! I am so tired of bad news on this campaign, I think Obama really needs to shake things up with the VP nomination. A fighter, absolutely. But a big name. I'm to the point where I think it has to be Gore, Clinton, or maybe Warner. I never thought I'd say Clinton, either...
August 20, 2008 6:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess the passion shows that you really care and I think that will ultimately be reflected by the turnout in November and an overwhelming victory.
A few points from a (somewhat) objective Canadian observer:
1. Likely good that it's August and people are on vacation and not really paying close attention
2. Election season does not really begin until after the conventions
3. There were similar coments made during the primaries and Obabma managed to rise above while Hillary took the low road
4. I'm sorta glad that this is happening right now; it's tough to win a race when you're leading all the way
5. When this election really gets going in the fall, the Obama money machine will roll over McCain
6. People will ultimately realize that they don't want four more years of bellicosity and failed policies
August 20, 2008 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm...? Maybe Barack needs a Hillary in New Hampshire moment!
J/K
August 20, 2008 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
1. Make ads for people who hate Obama
2. Do not put Obama in the ads
3. Make ads for people who do not trust politicians
4. Do not put politicians in the ads
5. Make some ads that people like. Is this news? Pepsi? MacDonalds? I havent seen one good ad.
6. People have been burned by the lies. WMD. Iraq. They do not trust the news. They leave the room if the ad looks like the news.
7. You have a great candidate.
8. You have a great message.
9. Please, FIND A MESSENGER PEOPLE CAN TRUST.
10. Or do what you did in 2000 and 2004. Wait until it's too late, and talk about what went wrong.
August 20, 2008 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thumbs up on your post, Theda...until you get to the part about Hillary being the correct fighter for the team. (Fortunately that is at the end.)
You are right as rain on all of the rest, though. I hope you've inspired Obama to rummage around and find the boxing gloves. It ought to be as easy as pie to slap McCain's offal directly into the fan as soon as it is loosed - if a paddle is at the ready.
August 20, 2008 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you're not playing offense, you're losing--it's really as simple as that. Obama needs to realize that as much as he'd like to run a positive campaign, it just ain't gonna happen. He's running against a Republican, and with them, it's destroy or be destroyed. Period. Obama needs to destroy McCain.
No more Mr. Nice Guy, Barack. Hit him until he falls.
August 20, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure hope this little tid bit from Taegen Goddard gets more attention:
Bonus Quote of the Day
"Ma'am, let me say that I don't disagree with anything you said."
-- John McCain, responding to a woman in a town hall meeting earlier today, who concluded her comments with the line "if we don't re-enact the draft, I don't think we'll have anyone to chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell."
What tell the rich find out John McCain wants to send their sons and daughters to war!
August 20, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. Taking off the gloves means taking off the gloves, not increase the number of words or turn up the volume and certainly don't repeat false charges--that only gives them more life.
August 20, 2008 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I for one now have finally gained some of that *hope* because I see from this thread and others that irrational Obama-mania is over and done with at TPM. But that's me, grateful for small favors and ever optimistic that good things nationally could come out of the signifier of *change* in a single demographic. Do many commenters here realize that you are in the process of disproving McCain's "Obama is a celeb with mindless irrational fans" ads by your very complaints about his campaign?
August 20, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously???
August 20, 2008 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
St. Augustine said that hope has two beautiful daughters: anger and courage. O needs to show all three: hope, courage, AND anger.
August 20, 2008 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
With all due respect -- and you are due a lot of it -- I think you're getting ahead of yourself and letting your emotions run away with your reason.
To start with, despite your impressive resume, I will put my money on Axelrod, Gibbs, and Obama every day of the week -- and twice on Sunday -- that they know more about what they're doing and how to do it, than you do. They've been in tight races before, and they played it masterfully. See, e.g., the democratic primary for U.S. Senate that launched Obama into federal politics. Yes, there were some fortuitous personal meltdowns in that race, but the Obama campaign was masterful. Take a look at Mendell's biography of Obama for a good account.
Second, and more importantly -- and I hope you're a baseball fan, so that you understand where I'm coming from -- you seem to want Mariano Rivera warming up in the second inning, when the score at the end of the first is 4-4. That's ridiculous, it's over-spending, and it leaves you with nothing in the later innings when it counts. Yes, (and to keep with the baseball metaphor) this is the World Series. But on August 20, a few days out from the convention and before there's even a VP, it's probably not even game five, let alone the middle innings of game seven.
Obama has built a RIDICULOUS ground game throughout all 50 states. McCain has a pile of shit for a ground game -- all he has are commercials. He's not registering anyone -- Obama's registering a SHIT-HOUSE of new voters (which raises the important question of what a "likely voter" is -- my understanding is that it is based on past voting activity ... many of Obama's voters aren't going to have ANY past voting experience ... they're first timers or first-in-a-long-timers). McCain can't change that, he's locked into what he can do, and it's one-dimensional. Obama's got people on the ground, he's got a huge ad budget, he's got the whole package.
Obama is starting to "get tough." He's done it slowly, almost imperceptibly. It's like hair growing -- we watch the election every day, every minute, so we don't see the slow evolution of the campaign. But tune out for a couple months and come back -- I bet it will be a shock. Obama and his VP will be hitting on all cylinders, pouring money into commercials, with shitloads of new voters registered. Like seeing someone you haven't seen in a long time, who decided to grow their hair out -- it's a total change. But those living with that person didn't notice the drastic change from day to day.
This is a marathon, not a sprint. If McCain wants to tire himself out now, to get all his vitriol out now, to spend all his money now, to spend all his capital now, fine. I have faith that Obama's campaign knows what it's doing. I don't want him putting in his closer right now. Stay with your starter, then hit middle relief, then shut it down with your closer.
I don't sell all the mutual funds in my IRA after one bad day or one bad week, and I don't want Obama to sell HIS portfolio out after a (supposed) bad day or week. We are no more qualified to run a campaign than we are to manage a mutual fund (except for you portfolio managers out there :) ) or the New York Yankees.
Take a valium, pour a drink, chill out, and go register some new voters. Leave the rest to the experts.
August 20, 2008 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who's going to sign up with a pill-popping drunk at the door?
Are you supporting McCain?
August 20, 2008 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently I am on TPM, since I'm not screaming for Obama to call McCain a negro-hating baby-killer.
August 20, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can't find those specific screams you seem to locate in the thread. I do see a good deal of discontent with The Noble Way.
I seem to recall that Obama himself (post his flamingly unfortunate FISA vote) said he understood that his decisions would be questioned by many of his supporters. It's allowed and not an indication of dire need for suppression with medication or alcoholic beverages.
August 20, 2008 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would like to agree 100% with you. I have known both Barack and Michelle for years now. I worked on Barack's ill-fated congressional run in the early 2000s and then on the Senate campaign. Interestingly, let me say that we pretty much heard the same cries "ATTACK," "FIGHT," etc... from Dems then. Oh well... The congressional campaign didn't work out but not because Barack was not tough enough and the Senate campaign was in fact successful -- the primaries were very hard and yet Barack continued to keep his head and push his message.
I am not worried. I really am not. I hope that all of the worried Dems will take a couple of weeks away from following this race and perhaps come back refreshed in mid-September when the race begins in earnest.
August 20, 2008 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't necessarily think you're wrong. If this is all part of some grand strategic plan and a barrage of offense is in the works - I'll happily eat all my words.
But when I see Obama praised for his defensive "don't question my patriotism" riff yesterday, right here on TPM - by MJ Rosenberg, with no strong pushback against McCain on that or any other question, I have my doubts.
Obama could shut me up tomorrow with a few good haymakers. He doesn't seem like he wants to do that.
He may be readying a fantastic counterpunch. I sure hope so, but I thought it would have happened already. He seems right now to be pulling punches, not really into doing what he needs to do.
But, I could be, and hope I am, wrong.
August 20, 2008 7:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's primary campaign for the Senate was successful. Masterful? I'd say that's an impressive overstatement. Axelrod, et al barely beat Hillary for the nomination and coasted from March until June. They're still coasting. I'm in no way impressed that they have even the slightest clue about how to beat the Republicans. Obama has never even been in a seriously contested race versus a Republican. And boy does it show!
August 21, 2008 2:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Offshore L-48 drilling would add 0.2 million barrels per day (Mb/d) to global oil supply in 2030. This compares to today's global volume of 86 MB/d (US consumption about 20 Mb/d and imports of about 12 Mb/d). This is a trivial distraction, not an energy policy.
The US Energy Information Administration says:
"For the lower 48 OCS, annual crude oil production in 2030 is projected to be 7 percent higher—2.4 million barrels per day in the OCS access case compared with 2.2 million barrels per day in the reference case."
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/otheranalysis/ongr.html
How do I send this to the campaign and Rachel Maddow (the only commentator who is actually intrested in facts AFAIK.
August 20, 2008 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
BTW, if anyone can think of a metaphor I didn't use, please let me know, so I can use it tomorrow. :)
August 20, 2008 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
It ain't over until the fat lady sings?
August 20, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope the Obama campaign reads Professor Skocpco's piece because it is really right on target, and the most concise diagnosis and prescription I've read yet. And from an academic no less!
Thank you professor!
August 20, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dear Senator Obama,
Remember the smackdown you delivered to the Prime Minister of Australia after he said the terrorists would celebrate your election?
I know you have it in you because that personally administered knockout punch left PM John Howard sputtering....
Lose any remnants of lingering respect you may have for a Senate colleague who no longer deserves it and focus instead on what a danger a McCain presidency poses to generations of Americans yet unborn.
Your friend,
Lally
August 20, 2008 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Americans have held their noses and voted for known liars, crooks, panderers, hypocrites and imbeciles ... but they will not vote for a perceived wimp.
I don't know why Democrats are so petrified of fighting dirty ... the voters actually respect it when you do. Voters know McCain is running a negative campaign. He's getting a bump in the polls not only despite it, but because of it. Undecided voters know Obama is smart and they know he's a great orator, but they don't know if he has any balls. I'm an Obama suppoter, and I don't even know.
August 20, 2008 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
@InmanRoshi
I don't know if its a question of balls, although that's a possibility. If he's not willing to fight, to get angry, if he has to preface every answer to shitty McCain with a paean to McCain's greatness (pardon me while the nausea passes), maybe, just maybe Obama is NOT serious about real change. Maybe, just maybe, he's just more Republican-lite, the registered Democratic trademark.
August 20, 2008 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just like the football analogy goes, and which applies to political campaigns is...The best defense is a good offense.
My advice for the Obama campaign fwiw is...
ATTACK...NOW!!!!!
August 20, 2008 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Josh Marshall, ten months ago:
Obama knows what he's doing. He's patient, shrewd, and he's shown over and over in his political career he's willing to play rope-a-dope. Watch the man work.
August 20, 2008 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's great. Especially seeing that Josh doesn't open his own thoughts to comment.
What about it Josh -- your thoughts, open to comment? We're a part of the community.
August 20, 2008 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your post caught a lot of what I'm feeling, Theda. How about this for defining McCain?
"Does John McCain really think he's going to chase bin Laden to the gates of hell? In 2003, George W. Bush forgot who wore the uniform, too. Bush got a great photo-op on an aircraft carrier. Our brave soldiers are still paying for his lack of leadership judgment. Real Presidents lead. Soldiers fight. It's time for a President who knows the difference."
Or this (delivered by Jim Webb):
"Real soldiers don't go around bragging about what they did in the last war--or what they're gonna do in the next one."
August 20, 2008 7:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I had to open an account with this website because I just had to make a comment. I am so sick and tired of all these posts about how Obama needs to step it up and then when he comes out negative, you post an article asking if it is enough. When will you be happy? When Obama runs an ad accusing McCain of calling his wife a c*nt? All I keep seeing are these unoriginal calls for Obama to hit here! hit now! Followed by the ever predictable comments like - "finally" or "you should work for the Obama campaign" or "I hope Obama sees this article" or "what's wrong with them" and "Obama is soft, weak, a whimp." Do you guys really think they don't get the message already? Do you guys think that you have some insight that the campaign does not? Every suggestion I've read is completely old and yes they may have worked or not worked in the past, but there must be a reason why the Obama camp has not done everything you all suggest. My god, if they did when would he have time to speak and meet with voters? Is he, himself supposed to spend everyday refuting every McCain claim the second it comes out? Impossible. Surrogates are needed for that. I firmly believe and I would bet money on it that after the convention when people start to pay attention - did you see the article where the major networks had record low ratings because of the Olympics?- The Obama camp and every Dem he can scrounge up will come out of the woodworks and shut all of you chicken littles up. Give the guy a second.....and PUHLEEEZE provide some original and effective ways of getting the MSM to focus on McCain (and don't suggest a boycott or petition - whack!boring!) And another frustration with websites like yours - you preach to the choir - people who almost always agree with your point of view. When are your types going to STEP IT UP and get mentions/guests on mainstream shows that speak to people who have no idea what a flipping Progressive is or thinks the NetRoots is a music group? You know how I heard about your website? From Keith Olberman - another like minded individual. Wouldn't it be great if someone like Whoopi Goldberg mentioned a site like yours during hot topics? Or my local paper, The New York Daily News puts does a piece about an article from your site? E. NOUGH. WITH. THESE. ARTICLES. ALREADY. Isn't it a plus that on almost every news channel and website, inlcuding FOX, they are talking about Obama sharpening his attack and going on the offensive?
August 20, 2008 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remember receiving this same "These guys know what they're doing" and "It's only August" lecture in August 2004, when Kerry was just taking a Swiftboat beating with a smile.
August 20, 2008 7:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Theda,
This is the best thing I've read on TPM in a very, very long while. Thank you.
Joe
August 20, 2008 7:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remarkable: I just watched the Newshour where NeoGenius Fred Kagen let us know that the policies of Bush & McCain, which have not only de-stabilized the entire world (OK, I added that part), but have also delivered us back into a Cold War with Russia (or a hot war if NeoGenius Kagen gets his wish). Yet this is nowhere in the news. Why? Because Obama isn't saying it.
August 20, 2008 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
A thought came to me while driving home from work:
Obama's collapse began with his tack to the middle. He is demoralizing his base by seeking to woo the middle and the right. It would be one thing if his wooing was working, but it's not. He's not winning them over, for sh*t, and at the same time he's turning off his base (eg, me). So the strategy is lose-lose. The same people who voted for George Bush over Al Gore and John Kerry are going to vote for John McCain over Obama, period, because to do otherwise would mean they've become so disgusted with their own party that they have reevaluated their world view. PLEASE.
So rather than trying to woo the opposition, he should be seeking to energize his base, and of course, expand it through GOTV.
That's why I fear the VP choice is going to be a total Beltway clunker-fixture, like Biden or Bayh. As if Republicans and the middle will give a sh*t with either of those men as BO's VP choice!! "He picked Bayh? Let me give him another look." Sweet and sour Jesus.
As an aside, is it just me or should a VP be measured by his or her chances to be president in their own right, on their own merits? That's a strong choice. Bayh and Biden run for president every four years and no one ever takes them seriously. I wouldn't want that in a vp.
August 20, 2008 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, Chisholm, I'm EXACTLY who you described. While not a member of the R column since 1992, I did choose Bush over Gore AND Kerry (don't banish me, TPM, please).
And I couldn't regret it more, and I'm disgusted, and it was about a half year into the Iraq mess that I realized my worldview indeed HAD changed. I have been working for Obama since last fall.
I don't bet that abandoning centrist memes and tacking left is going to be the winning strategy. There simply are too many votes in the middle.
But, note my first paragraph: I've been wrong before.
August 20, 2008 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Most people aren't in the middle on every issue. Sounds like you left the middle over Iraq. Hard in any case to be in the middle on war or other matters of life and death which is of course why splitting the difference on abortion doesn't work so swell. Are you going to raise my payroll taxes or cut my social security benefits? The "middle" has come to mean lying to people and doing nothing. To govern is to choose they say and a party with a strategy of behaving like a deer in the headlights winds up like a deer in the ditch.
August 20, 2008 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
tenmiler says;
I don't bet that abandoning centrist memes and tacking left is going to be the winning strategy. There simply are too many votes in the middle.
Some people call Lieberman the middle, some call Ben Nelson of Nebraska the middle, some call Charles Grassely the middle.
If I agree with someone on budgets but not on abortion, am I the middle?
To say a Liberal moved to the middle is no different than saying a Liberal moved to the right right.
How do we determine who is in the middle?
You might be able to make the case that 99% of the public is in the middle.
August 21, 2008 10:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Preach on!
August 21, 2008 2:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with you.
If the Obama campaign doesn't show some street fight during and immediately after the convention, my next Obama installment is going to MoveOn with the same note. Fight hard, fight dirty, fight long. Cut these liars off at the knees, and then piss on their heads, because they just don't understand anything more subtle.
August 20, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
How is this constant barrage of millions of people saying the same thing not making its way deep into Chicago? I'm from Illinois and even I'll admit to feeling as if the footing has gotten a little shaky the past few weeks.
The monologue from Network looms overhead:
August 20, 2008 8:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, ImanRoshi. My sentiment exactly.
Anew, I think you could make your point a little more graciously. I don't think everyone here believes in the same strategy, if you'd take "one second" to read a few of the posts.
As far as being an "echo chamber" for the Dems, I'm all for it and quite frankly why I'm here. I'd like to know if like minds are feeling the same way.
And the poll numbers are proof enough that while Obama may "know" all these strategies, the one they are using isn't working. And a few of us, some smarter than others (most smarter than yours truly), are frustrated.
Glad to see you're in the optimistic corner. Good for you. Now go pet a puppy dog and let go of the single-paragraph name calling for a few.
August 20, 2008 8:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great analysis.
Obama has never been challenged in his adult life over his character, patriotism, motives, integrity, ability, even his wife. He seems like a deer in the headlights, which of course creates a feedback loop about his readiness.
He better learn fast how to win a general election against these thugs, or we may have yet another intelligent, decent but naive Democrat who manages to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory. Incredible. Almost unbelievable, except for 2000, and then again in 2004.
August 20, 2008 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good grief. I haven't seen this much handwringing in ages... or was it 2004? Egads, sometimes it's tough to be a Democrat. Can you only imagine an angry, spewing Obama out there on the trail? Egads, he's an angry Black man! RUNNN AWAYYY!!!
Calm down, people. Maybe you all need one of John McCain's Ambiens to help you sleep?
Anyhoo, flame away...
August 20, 2008 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Professor, you are saying many of the same things I was telling my friends in early spring to explain why I was not jumping on the Obama bandwagon with them. It seemed to me that the great lesson of the 2000 and 2004 elections was that to beat Republicans, the candidate needs to be willing to take them on directly, even to the point of being seen as disrespectful or even rude. (Jim Webb had his moments of being criticized for that in the race against George Allen, but that's what he needed to do.)
Hillary Clinton was not my first choice in the primary, but it was obvious that she was the one most willing to fight for the nomination, and I just could not see that Obama was willing to dirty his hands in a political fight. What that translates to for voters is, "If he's not willing to fight for himself, how can I think he will fight for me?"
Granted, a cool head is a significant asset, and something greatly to be desired in a political leader, but there is such a thing as being too cool and too cerebral. That's a good part of what sunk Dukakis's bid for the presidency. The question in one of the debates about whether he would support the death penalty if his wife were raped and murdered was grossly unfair, certainly, but his cool and cerebral response to it, while logically consistent with his political past, came across as weirdly cold. Better he should have fired back in anger at the moderator for asking such a loaded question, which could then have been followed by the answer his prep team had prepared in anticipation of a "Willie Horton" question, an answer that included an expression of empathy for crime victims and noted that members of his own family had been victims of violent crime. That would have seemed far more human.
People want coolness in a president, but they also want to see passion and compassion, and they are suspicious of candidates that do not display it.
August 20, 2008 8:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
They want passion and they want to hear what you are going to DO with that passion. Theda is right about the need for ACTIVE imagery. People strongly believe this country is going in the wrong direction and they want to hear what Obama is going to DO about it. He had them on the change thing all he had to do was follow up with the action.
That's what people liked about Bush before they discovered the down side of action. They like that he was determined to act. Now, having been shown that he was acting in the wrong direction why is it so monumentally difficult for Democrats to tell Americans they are going to DO someting to CHANGE the direction of this country.
What do we have? A party that won't even stand up to Joe Lieberman. The party is a boulder around Obama's neck.
August 20, 2008 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
HELLO!
This is August 2008,not August 2004. The conventions have not been held nor will the Democrats be disadvantaged as in 2004. Obama went home to Hawaii not wind surfing in Mass. The Olympic games, and to a lesser extent controlled news cycle in the past two week.
FOLKS step back a moment!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 20, 2008 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
It seems to me that McCain has been trying to run for President for a long time, now. Back before 9/11 the *Republicans* used to attack him for being short fused and unpredictable, a walking post-traumatic stress disordered nightmare just waiting to happen.
Too *dangerous* to be President. They said it.
At the Saddleback event, that's the thing that struck me--how insanely trigger happy the guy comes across, my friends.
August 20, 2008 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
God bless Theda but when was the last time one of your posts got 150 comments w/in the first few hours?
Have to ask - Am I being manipulated?
What are the two stories that the media are covering 24/7 and which have Obamans near apoplexy???
1. VP selection
2. Obama's slide in the polls
Rope-a-dope's only a part of it....maybe all just coincidence
Next Friday morning we'll either be fired up and ready to go or not
August 20, 2008 9:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I knew we were on the wrong track when Gen. Wes Clark made the perfectly reasonable observation that getting shot down in an airplane doesn't qualify one for the Presidency, and the reaction from Obama and his campaign was to run from Clark as if he was toxic. That said so much about the resolve and determination of the Obama campaign.
August 20, 2008 9:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
The root of all this goes back to the primary, where Obama chose to knife Hillary in the back by implying that she was a racist and all sorts of other nasty things.
He got away with that because it was a DEMOCRATIC primary and the kids just love to find "racism" behind ever curtain and Obama exploited that peculiarity.
The rest of us found that tactic shameful.
Now he is here.
He cannot play the race card now because it won't work with the general electorate. In fact it would hurt him.
McCain is constantly implying that Obama is not as patriotic as he should be, that he is more interested in winning than doing positive things for America, etc...all of which subliminally play on the fact that he is black and many whites secretly believe that to be true about blacks in general.
It is so stealthy that nobody can really say that McCain is a racist since attacking Obama's patriotism is only subliminally associated with his being Black.
Honestly, if it were any white person facing McCain, would the "not sufficiently patriotic" card play as well? Could McCain for example have used it against Hillary. I doubt it because it is not remotely plausible to the American Zeitgeist to impugn Hillary with a lack of patriotism and this--at least in part--because she is white.
Some of us saw this vulnerability from the start. But we were smeared as racist ourselves.
Now we are here.
The reason why I think Obama needs to pick Hillary is precisely because he knifed her in the back in the primaries and thus alienated a significant portion of Democrats who saw it.
If he picks Hillary, he will atone for the sin he committed in the primaries.
To all you Obamanoids: you can deny all I said above and think that this is not an issue in this campaign but it is.
I am on my way to sign up with the Obama Campaign as a volunteer. But the deep rift that Obama caused in the Democratic body politic is not going to go away by ignoring that it is there and neither Biden nor Sibelius will solve that problem.
August 20, 2008 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with your analysis of his weaknesses but I don't agree that Hillary solves the problem. He tried to run a change campaign but change is inherently risky and he's afraid to appear radical again because they'll run a racist attack there too. But he has to sail into the wind and demonstrate he's his own man. Hillary propping him up? No, that'll provoke a different kind of attack. There's an attack ad for anything he does but that should surprise no one. Would Gore have been any more defeated had he let loose his passion on the environment? Would Kerry have been any more defeated had he let loose his anti-war passion? Would Hillary have been any more defeated had she run from day one with a passion for health care?
If Obama is passionate about something, now's the time to show it. Hillary can't do that for him.
August 20, 2008 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. I wasn't aware that you were in my head. Thanks for putting into words so precisely what I've been feeling. I agree with all of it. This is so important.
August 20, 2008 9:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nova Voter makes good points. It is a marathon. I am confident Axelrod et al have a real strategy. And the ground game can help in close contests.
But as a Red Sox fan, I know that Papelbon does us no good when we let the other team build up a lead going into late innings. And I am quite sure about the atmospherics of toughness in presidential politics. It is not so much that Obama has to be negative as that he has to convey mastery and power -- in a combative context. When he counterpunches, he should do it with short, active statements and always characterize why his approach is better for America than McCain's. He should cut really short the praise for McCain.
Whining about how his motives are good (he "loves his country") and begging McCain to play nice convey weakness not strength. No one will have enough of a lead to need a closer if he plays the middle innings that way. And Democrats need to see that August is middle innings. Impessions are laid down that matter later.
What is worse, Obama does tend to check out into meta-professorialisms. Too often, he appears to be analyzing voters rather than speaking directly to them (he did that today in VA) -- or analyzing an issue rather than articulating a value-perspective (as he did with the beginning of life question at Saddleback). He also gets disdainfully withdrawn when unexpected bad things get done to him. Remember his awful performance in the Pennsylvania debate. When the commentators and Clinton got nasty, he literally wilted and looked like he needed to be somewhere else. He lost that primary by too big a margin -- and, sadly, he lost a lot of the tough contests after February.
I cannot tell what they are thinking in Chicago, but I worry they believe their primary-type approaches will work in a very different battle context. Pulling punches and playing cautious to last out a win made sense in an intra-party battle. But will it work in this general election against a party/McCain camp that is pulling out every stop to win any way they can?
Obama promised us a gun for a knife -- and I want him to show in his manner of acting each step of the way that he can deliver on that promise.
August 20, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Surely when frustrated disagreement suggests to Nova Voter that we should relax and medicate or that those of us who are worried scream for Obama to "call McCain a negro-hating baby-killer," these are not the "good points" to which you refer.
August 21, 2008 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
In case you might miss it, I just happened to run across this piece with George Lakoff chiming in on the communication abilities point:
from Carla Marinucci, SF Chronicle Political Writer, Wednesday, August 20, 2008
August 21, 2008 3:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
I know Red Soxs. Some of the Red Soxs are friends of mine. Theda, Barack Obama is no Red Soxs!
August 21, 2008 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Amen.
Praise the Lord and pass the amunition.
Lock and load!
and slam this sorry ass bullshit crap from McCain for what it is.
Slamming McCaim would not be "negative", it is the "TRUTH".
The man is a complete phony sucking at the tit of monied classes.
Let's give it to him in spades, and watch HIM beg for Obama to please please STOP.
Oh, sure, you can keep up the hope stuff too, but hit back and hit hard, ON THE FACTS!
Let's see how McCain stands up to getting attacked head on on every aspect of his flip floping self serving record.
Give it to him.
August 20, 2008 10:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, get out there and voice these things to your neighbors and friends. It's kind of pointless preaching to the choir on blogs. Most people don't read them, or if they do they read blogs that are consistent with their views--not much to learn there.
August 20, 2008 10:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
TOTALLY AGREE...........EXCEPT FOR "and I never expected to believe this -- it might be time to turn to Hillary. She is at least a fighter."
IF OBAMA LOSES THE ELECTION, YOU CAN SQUARELY BLAME IT ON HILLARY, BILL AND THEIR PUMA HUSSEIN HATERS/SUPPORTERS..... If Obambi can't control Hillary at the Convention (with prominent speaking roles for her and Bill, a roll call vote from Hillary delegates; and a video introduction by their close friends from Hollywood, the Bloodworths, what is it going to be like when Obambi is POTUS and if the unfortunate were to happen to Obama (but gleefully applauded by the PUMA supporters), Hillary then becoming POTUS...
YOU MADE SOME VERY COGNANT AND ASTUTE OBSERVATIONS about Obambi's lack of "fighting" words BUT Hillary's base of support comes mostly from a generation of older voters who think nothing of it to be prejudice or at least, racial in their preferences. Many say even if Hillary was put on the ticket as V.P., they still would NOT vote for "Hussein" Obama.
Obambi boxed himself in when he alluded to the suggestion that his (earlier) campaign would be above the fray, it would be a new kind of politics of taking the "high road" to the White House. But reality has now set in (by the way of polls and attack ads)......Obambi will have to go "negative" because IT DOES work and that's how you CAN win, no matter how much and how often the public claims they dislike negative campaigning.
August 20, 2008 10:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obambi? How old are you? Oh, that's negative campaigning... I get it.
August 20, 2008 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
...probably older and wiser but I think out of real desperation, Obama may need to pick Clinton, thus throwing 'Change', 'Hope', and 'Unity' WAY UNDER THE BUS...the inside track nows speculates on Sen Joseph Biden of Delaware. I'd rather take Clinton over Biden. There's something about Biden that I trust even less than Clinton.... we'll be waiting for that 3 a.m. phone call from Sen Obama tomorrow.
August 21, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow! Andrew- Obama will atone for the sins he committed during the primaries? HE?????? well, let me remind u all that it was SHE who threw the kitchen sink, the bathtub and the bath stall at hm! It is her statements that she used against him that the MCCain campaign is now using against Obama. Obama has proven over and over and over again that he wins especially when he is down. He does not peak early and wins when the time is right. So, all those in the media and the HRC PUMA types, relax and dont send the rest of the Obama supporters into a tizzy. The media needs to grow a freakin brain and go back to his primary strategy where they have aplan and that plan is to WIN!!!! whether that word means anthing to you guys at all. It is Hillary who created the divide with her slash and burn startegy. Obama Will win and take that to the bank. I don't need fear mongering Theda's or Josh marshall's to tell me otherwise. Mcacin will lose and you better beleive that. And do't you ever ask the Obama supporters to atone for anything. It is the PUMA types who are holding up the unity of this party and that includes the media and the andrews and bluebells and fogus of this world. grow a pair. and don't follow the media meme. thank god the obama camp does not listen to the media. they would then lose for sure. wimps that the media are. look at your own reporting of mccain. what have you doen to highlight his transgressions. NOTHING! don't then pontificate to US! Bah! boldness is geinius and that is what the O camp wants. If he chooses HRC a lot of his supporters will not vote for him. I for one will stop working for the campaign as I do tirelessly today.
August 20, 2008 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow! Andrew- Obama will atone for the sins he committed during the primaries? HE?????? well, let me remind u all that it was SHE who threw the kitchen sink, the bathtub and the bath stall at hm! It is her statements that she used against him that the MCCain campaign is now using against Obama. Obama has proven over and over and over again that he wins especially when he is down. He does not peak early and wins when the time is right. So, all those in the media and the HRC PUMA types, relax and dont send the rest of the Obama supporters into a tizzy. The media needs to grow a freakin brain and go back to his primary strategy where they have aplan and that plan is to WIN!!!! whether that word means anthing to you guys at all. It is Hillary who created the divide with her slash and burn startegy. Obama Will win and take that to the bank. I don't need fear mongering Theda's or Josh marshall's to tell me otherwise. Mcacin will lose and you better beleive that. And do't you ever ask the Obama supporters to atone for anything. It is the PUMA types who are holding up the unity of this party and that includes the media and the andrews and bluebells and fogus of this world. grow a pair. and don't follow the media meme. thank god the obama camp does not listen to the media. they would then lose for sure. wimps that the media are. look at your own reporting of mccain. what have you doen to highlight his transgressions. NOTHING! don't then pontificate to US! Bah! boldness is geinius and that is what the O camp wants. If he chooses HRC a lot of his supporters will not vote for him. I for one will stop working for the campaign as I do tirelessly today.
August 20, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great piece, obama needs to stop honoring john mccain due to mccain feels like i won't let this black kid beat me. obama needs to expose mccain for what he is a liar plain and simple.
as for hillary, he does not need her on the ticket to win even now. the polls are controlled by the republicans, but you need to watch the movement on the ground and how all the new people supporting him and knows the importance of winning this race.the media is controlling this race also watch the negative ads that are run 3/4 times in an hour on cnn,msmbc & how the media always talk up hillary as if he's weak that is part of the karl rove strategy & he needs her to win BS. it's a mind game being played on everyone. the republicans want to have hillary so they can finish her off when bill was impeached. he will lose of he picks her. obama does not receive positive reporting after careful examination the pundits talk about mccain as if he's god & back him 100% & his crap is sweep under the rug look what happen at saddleback. obama has real plans and with the help of the republicans and media have shot down every idea- when asked which plan is better mcccain or obam the key word "neither " due to mccain has no plans, bu to take us to more wars & reinstate the draft. this country is overstretched now.mccain is neocon who lives for taken over countries less fortunate than us mccains game plan is to run on being a POW who suffered and feels he's entitled to be president and resent the fact he has to run against a black man. just like hillary.
the pundits or so called "experts" down play or try to discredit his plans as "foolish" . which are very good . the rebuttal from Paris" to mccain on energy was obama's plan if anyone listen to his speeches you would realize the connection. she was endorsing obama without saying so out right.if hillary want party unity as she claims she does not need to be made VP all she has to do pull out her bag of tricks and attack mccain for the liar and phoney he is, perhaps she can't due to she's a pathological liar hersef.
i have all the confidence that obama will come out as winner it is destined.
August 20, 2008 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't believe all these scared posts. Never doubt when a winner has a plan. That is the best way to sabotage his winning. Thanks, Theda, Josh, andrew, bluebell and fogu and to all those who think Obama should do this that and the other. I hope he does NOT lsiten to you. I am almost afraid that he will choose HRC because the blogs have scared him into doing it. The woman could not even manage her own campaign, how do you think she is going to manage the country with her grating voice and her smug smile. She is fighting for WHAT???????????????????? A fighter, they called her and od so now. What does she need fighting for????? Nobody is PAYING attention to the election and the media knows it and yet they play their mischief along with their PUMA cohorts. People are toooooooooooooooooooo busy watching the olympics. Mccain ahs gotten away with a lot because OF THE MEDIA and will not get away with it after the dem convention. do you think the obama people are not wondering what HRC will pull at the convention? No. She is no angel and I am certain she has something up her sleeve. why was her brother meeting with carlaFiorini, huh? Let him have the party behind him 100% and then he will go on the offense when THE TIME WILL BE RIGHT AND THE COUNTRY WILL BE FOCUSING ON THE ELECTIONS!!!!! Theda- these ar things you should know even if your readers don't.
August 20, 2008 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't believe all these scared posts. Never doubt when a winner has a plan. That is the best way to sabotage his winning. Thanks, Theda, Josh, andrew, bluebell and fogu and to all those who think Obama should do this that and the other. I hope he does NOT lsiten to you. I am almost afraid that he will choose HRC because the blogs have scared him into doing it. The woman could not even manage her own campaign, how do you think she is going to manage the country with her grating voice and her smug smile. She is fighting for WHAT???????????????????? A fighter, they called her and od so now. What does she need fighting for????? Nobody is PAYING attention to the election and the media knows it and yet they play their mischief along with their PUMA cohorts. People are toooooooooooooooooooo busy watching the olympics. Mccain ahs gotten away with a lot because OF THE MEDIA and will not get away with it after the dem convention. do you think the obama people are not wondering what HRC will pull at the convention? No. She is no angel and I am certain she has something up her sleeve. why was her brother meeting with carlaFiorini, huh? Let him have the party behind him 100% and then he will go on the offense when THE TIME WILL BE RIGHT AND THE COUNTRY WILL BE FOCUSING ON THE ELECTIONS!!!!! Theda- these ar things you should know even if your readers don't.
August 20, 2008 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Everybody (even you very smart people like Theda): Relax, for the love of God. We haven't even had conventions and you are carrying on like it is three days before election day.
Obama is not an attack dog. He will get his licks in during this fight, but not in a full-throated, 'kill McCain' way. Not his style. If you want Obama to be Obama, that is a truth you need to get comfortable with.
If he picks Biden or a similar attacker as his VP, that is the person who will throw punches at McCain. He is great at that, and he will do well with it. And Obama can be Obama.
And we all need to be careful about how we attack McCain. He is a giant cry-baby, and he uses his own celebrity POW status really well. Frontal attacks will only make the MSM fall totally back in love with him, and then we all lose.
YOu have to go in slow, and poke. Just poke. "Bush-McCain (fill in the blank: war, economic policy, foreign policy, disrespect for veterans,tax cuts for the rich, whatever)" every time an Obama campaign person talks (or any Democrat for that matter).
And think Shakespeare:" Brutus is an honourable man" is a nice way to savage McCain without ever saying "He is a dick and will continue the stupid crap we have dealt with for the last 8 years" -- but making us all think it.
That indirect approach is the only way to gut Mr. War Hero without getting blowback. Your desire for blood is understandable (I feel it too), but we gotta take this hill sneaky, not by charging straight into the machine guns.......
August 20, 2008 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chuck,
What is it? Something in the water there in DC that makes people there think that allowing someone to kick your ass day in and day out is a winning strategy? They said the very same crap in 04 about Kerry. Kerry was wrong, his responses to the attacks were weak and ineffective. He defeated himself by not standing up for himself until after Labor Day. If Obama doesn't start to fight now it will be too late. That's the whole point. We can't afford another namby pamby campaign because we will lose if that's the kind of campaign we run. It's that simple.
August 21, 2008 2:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I think Barack Obama is doing way better than Kerry did in 2004. Shrum told Kerry to be noble and rise above the Swift Boaters, when he really should have punched someone in the face over those attacks.
ANd please note that I did not counsel no attacks, a la Shrum: I said attack, but indirectly. Our man McSame has the media in love with him and they will rally to his defense f he cries about his War Hero-ness being attacked by mean old Obama. So poke him, find the seams in his defense and slip the knife in. A frontal assault will look bad, and will lose. I learned in the Army that winning without rushing the machine guns was smart offense, and I urge that now.
August 21, 2008 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, chuck DC, thank you.
August 20, 2008 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
One thing I'd suggest is demoting the campaign people he hired from Clinton. (Personally, I'd prefer to demote them all the way out of the campaign.) Another is to quit listening to the inside-the-Beltway consultants, who get paid well, win or lose. (Losing them would improve the campaign a lot, also.)
Clinton could help a lot if she stays in the senate and actually starts leading toward the left instead of getting closer to the GOP. (I want daylight between the parties, not slow dancing.)
August 20, 2008 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Brilliant post!
August 20, 2008 11:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
First things first we need a huge shakeup in Chicago. Axelrod and Plouffe must go. Enough with the e-mails telling me how nasty this thing is getting and begging for money. ATTACK Viciously
Obama thinks he is attacking when he is responding to McCain attacks. We saw this in the primary. He is playing prevent defense. Throw the first fucking punch.
Attack McCain on everything, every lie and every statement. Clinton was right Obama has no balls
Anyone else having buyers remorse?
August 21, 2008 12:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
With support as yours, will you call for Obama to drop out, soon? And, just what did you buy for such remorse?
August 21, 2008 12:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can't tell if you Obama critics are for real or just an army of trolls...
Obama has been on vacation for a week!!! ... you jerk wads.
AND he is STILL in the lead.
That is not weakness, that is strength.
And I have a feeling Obama may pick a dark horse out of left field, but either way, it will be someone to advance the platform of change.
Yes Obama has been gracious and kind and generous to the "wrinkly old white haired guy," but that is respect that adults who are competent show each other. Obama comes across not as hot headed, uppity, or presumptuous, or Dean-scream angry. Instead, Obama shows the grace of strong character and resolve.
Seriously. A reasoning man who has the ear of the world will have no problem making wingnut, befuddled, forgetful and confused old man McSame appear to be just what he is.... a grumpy, "get off my lawn" old man who is unfit for command.
And he will do it with the respect he can afford the elderly McCAin by simply calling him on all his contradictions, inconsistencies, and failed policies and wrong judgments.
It's all about timing....
Chill dudes. You don't grow up on the south side of Chicago without knowing how to kick ass when you need to.
August 21, 2008 2:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
an army of trolls...
riiiight, trolls all, with generals like Theda Skocpol and Josh Marshall, not to mention Gov. Strickland of OH, Gov. Bredesen of TN, Gov. Ritter of CO...
It appears the days of calling people trolls because they actually dare to take a break from waving pompoms and voice a thought that does not mimic Obama campaign talking points are waning, and thank god for that.
A tip for you: BarackObama.com might not offer much refuge, as I believe they allow criticism of Barack Obama there as well. But the military is desperately looking for more than a few men and women who are willing to sign their brains over to a team leader and who will be willing to learn to use derogatory epithets (far more fun ones than "troll") as well as team support cheers. If you can take your friends that like to scream "troll!" whenever someone doesn't praise Obama and team, and go over to your local recruiting office, the rest of "jerk wads" planning to vote for Obama will no longer have to be embarassed by being associated with the single-minded borg called Obama-is-god, nor be distracted by that borg screaming "troll" all the time.
August 21, 2008 3:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
The root of all this goes back to the primary, where Obama chose to knife Hillary in the back by implying that she was a racist and all sorts of other nasty things. He got away with that because it was a DEMOCRATIC primary and the kids just love to find "racism" behind ever curtain and Obama exploited that peculiarity. The rest of us found that tactic shameful. Now he is here. He cannot play the race card now because it won't work with the general electorate. In fact it would hurt him.
ka-CHING!! And on this score, I also believe that a good number of Obama supporters should take a bow as well. Arrogant to the core and obnoxious in the extreme, they brought an attitude that alienated any number of potential November allies because...?
It was always about August to them as if that was all that mattered.
August 21, 2008 1:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Brava! That is exactly so. Time to take off the gloves and go for some bare-knuckle street fighting if you want to win the hearts and minds of the American people. This is NOT an intellectual nation; we are attracted to action. Show some balls. Check out Michael Moore's commentary in Rolling Stone magazine on line for a 6 step plan on how Democrats can LOSE this election. Obama is following it right down to the wire.
August 21, 2008 1:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Theda,
You're dead on with all your comments as all of us who have been howling to high heaven in hopes the Obama people would not repeat the obvious blunders that Kerry and Gore and Dukakis all made in their losses to inferior and less popular opponents. None of what you are saying is new. None of what you are saying is nuanced or difficult to understand. Millions of Democrats have been awake during these past elections and we all agree on what it's going to take to win.
It's as plain as day and as well known as the Happy Birthday song that Americans won't vote for a pussy for President. Yet that is what the Democrats portray themselves as to the American people. They want to appear "Presidential" and they want to appeal to all the "right" people and apparently they want these things more than they do the Presidency. Obama has looked weak and ineffective all summer long while that doddering old fool of a war-monger has spit in his face and pissed on his shoes over and over. Obama's response has been consistently flaccid. He thinks he is coming off as "above it all" when he's actually coming off like a woos who isn't man enough to defend himself or his positions. Americans can't respect someone like that and many won't vote for someone like that. After all, they think to themselves, if he won't defend himself, will he be man enough to defend the country?
The smug, self-satisfied, and oh-so-self-absorbed Obama campaign is so blinded by the brilliance of their narrow primary victory over the Clinton forces they have convinced themselves that they will create victory where the others failed to do so even though they're using the same tired and ineffective approach. Do you, or any of us believe these people will listen to the screams of millions of Democrats who are telling them "Fight! Fight! Fight! Stand up for yourself and fight!"? I don't think they will and there isn't the slightest indication that they will.
They aren't listening and won't listen because they convinced themselves that all their marketing BS about hope, and birpartisanship and how Obama was going to "transcend" politics, etc... is actually true even though we who have closely followed Presidential elections and politics generally know it is not true and indeed is nothing but unadulterated bullshit.
The question is not what should they do that they haven't been doing. We know what they need to do and you've articulated it very well. The question is how in the name of God do we get those dumbasses running Obama's campaign and Obama himself to wake up to the fact that they are going to lose if they don't fight those Republican pricks and fight them with every ounce of strength they've got? Frankly, I don't know if it can be done. If they are like the other losing Democratic campaigns, they will figure it out about two weeks out from the election and then it will be too late. If someone can figure out how to get the attention of those fools and impress upon them that they are recreating the same losing scenario as last time then God bless them! Till then, all the rest of us can do is scream out to them: FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! WHEN THEY HIT YOU ONCE---HIT THEM BACK TWICE AND HARDER!!!!!!
August 21, 2008 1:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
This just my take on it and I'm no expert nor am I an Obama fan.
They've been doing the rope-a-dope thing in the early going to get to the VP thing and convention and then they're going to try to ride the wave with more bare-knuckle campaigning thereafter.
It may work. It may not. The political climate couldn't be more favorable but we'll see.
August 21, 2008 2:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm going to have to disagree with you, oleeb.
"he's actually coming off like a woos"
I think it's "wuss."
August 21, 2008 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
rajapi...I just gotta love all of you "new voters" that Obama brought into the process...
Bah! boldness is geinius and that is what the O camp wants. If he chooses HRC a lot of his supporters will not vote for him. I for one will stop working for the campaign as I do tirelessly today.
You'll go from working for the campaign as I do tirelessly today to stop working for the campaign if he chooses Clinton as his VP?
Are you 15 or 16?
August 21, 2008 1:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
pjwhite530, you are correct that people are attracted to action, which is why alternative candidates or parties haven't been able to get any traction, in spite of *years* of trying. The Obama campaign, in contrast, has learned that you can't have the revolution without the revolutionaries. It's all happening at the grassroots level, and thus I really don't care what's going on at any other level. I don't care what attack ads are running, what various bloggers are saying, what talk radio is airing, I know my community and I know what we're accomplishing there.
If Hillary is so 'tough,' why was she channeling John Yoo when it was time to vote on Iraq?
August 21, 2008 2:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just from my experience, the ground swell support for Obama is on another level compared to Kerry and Gore (regardless of whether it is deserved). Right now I just have the feeling that this is Wisconsin, where all the polls showed Obama ahead by 5 or so and he won it by 17.
August 21, 2008 3:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone see today's Zogby poll?
McCain *up* -- yeah, fucking *up* -- by 5.
Vacation or no vacation, Olympics (quit watching -- you're supporting consolidated media and a country that's committing genocide, and yes, I'd not watch any games held here, either) or no Olympics, Obama'd better do something.
And is anyone really comfortable with any sort of an Obama lead going into Election Day? Do you think White Hilljack American Male *isn't* going to get nervous about pulling a lever for a Black man?
Please.
August 21, 2008 8:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that Obama should attack full bore, and that it needs to be framed against Republicans, generally, with emphasis that McCain is right in there with President Blutarski and all the rest of his neocon scum. While he's at it, he should confront his senile blowhard opponent on the Bush-echoing, sophomoric reference to/emphasis on "victory" in Iraq. What kind of typical schoolyard shit is that? What the fuck does that even mean? When you start an artificial war, and your "enemies" are this blob of mercury that keeps splitting into a million little other blobs whenever attacked, and you never had an honest, coherent goal or a cassus bellum in the first place, what's fucking "victory", old man? Instead let's talk about "loss", and real losers - traitors like Bush and company who, too spineless themselves to serve, commit the ultimate act of contemptible deceit - sending others to war based on lies. Fucking losers before it even started. Nice war heroism, McCain. Not "victory" but "loss" - your loss of any shred of integrity you may ever have had, lining up with spineless fucks like Bush and company.
August 21, 2008 9:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama needs to hammer away at the economy, the mortgage crisis, his ability to relate to other world leaders, the war, education, and jobs. McCain has admitted the economy is his weak point, Obama must state what he knows and why he can do better. Remind voters that the wealthy benefit from Bush/McCain policies and McCain is the one that has money. How many houses does one family need? We all know what it takes to care for one apartment or home, who takes care of the McCain homes? Cindy? (Elitist) Show voters and homeowners (and renters too) that are losing their houses because of the mortgage debacle.
Reiterate that, regardless of the surge, this war should never have begun and tell the voters about his good judgment before the war started. Over 4000 dead and countless wounded. Bring up the Walter Reed hospital disaster again and that our veterans are still not getting the care they need. Where was McCain, a veteran himself during all this? What has he done for veterans?
Explain to voters that there is a direct correlation between socio-economic status and academic success. When citizens have good jobs and can offer their children enrichment in addition to what schools offer, success in schools follows. The economy, jobs and education are very closely related and this is what voters can connect with so they are more willing to vote.
Obama must define his priorities and make a plan to get the economy moving. This is what the average voter can relate too. Otherwise, they buy into the patriotism B.S.
August 21, 2008 9:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
To all here who are complaining: get off the computer, have a big Obama house meeting and YOU tell your friends and neighbors this stuff about McCain. Sheesh. It's about US, not Obama.
August 21, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Varecia, you are taking valuable time away from your tea parties and koffee klatsches. Please do not engage (no, I do realize you are not really engaged in debate...just preaching to everyone dissatisfied with the conduct and progress of the Obama campaign how they can more productively spend their time. my advice to you is to get busy with the tea and koffee) in pointless debate over the future of the campaign and the country. Just get busy with the neighbors. Sheesh. very perceptive. never thought of that.
August 21, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
WAY TO GO......I'M A LIFE LONG DEMOCRAT...A LONG LIFE AT THAT......NO-ONE HAS EVER BEEN ELECTED TO OFFICE HEAPING PRAISE ON THEIR OPPONENT..UNLESS DONE WITH SCATHING SARCASM....OBAMA SEEMS TO BE INCAPABLE OF THAT....HIS 'SWEET' PLATIUDES WILL NOT GET THE JOB DONE..I WAS AND STILL AM A HILLARY SUPPORTER....THE 'OPERA' WITH THE REV.WARREN WAS THE DUMBEST THING I HAVE EVER LISTENED TO....IN A WAY, OBAMA WAS EXTREMELY BRAVE TO EVEN VENTURE INTO THAT 'LIONS DEN'..KNOWING FULL WELL HE WAS FACING A CROWD OF HOSTILE MCCAIN SUPPORTERS//WHEN HAS MCCAIN EVER FACED A COMPARABLE GROUP? MCCAIN, LIKE BUSH , IS BASICLY A COWARD; AFRAID TO GO WHERE HE IS NOT ASSURED OF A FREINDLY AUDIENCE..
August 21, 2008 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I agree, we need more fight in the campaign; time for knives out. And I also agree we needed a fighter in the VP slot. I was really angry with Hillary during the primary, but I would happily back her as VP. She is smart and an agressive campaigner.
August 21, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
This weak, submissive behavior from the Obama campaign must stop.
So timid that even the repeating of logical, factual positions that respectfully reveal McSame's false claim that his terrible bad luck in Viet Nam some how gave him international expertise and a legitimate world view MUST NEVER SEE the light of day.
As the Repuglicans intimidate Obama to stay in the nice little box they created for him the people around Obama fiddle as the election burns instead speaking truth to power. FISA, Wes CLark and the failure to beat down the false bravado of McSame's Russia stance tend to confirm some origiinal instincts of some to back a fighter (HRC) and not Mr. "Can we all just get along".
McSame is a MENTAL MIDGET on the economy but is left to spout his nonsense with minimal push back.
Obama has been much better this week B U T ....
God help us all in November if Obama doesn't show a much more sustained grit EVERY DAY until the election is over!!!
August 21, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are today's developments making you a little happier, Theda?
They are me.
August 21, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Barack- when you strike, you are to strike hard.
7 homes- not enough!!!! McCain gives us so much to work with. We are losing the battle but there is time to win the 'war' - pun intended
August 21, 2008 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
VLaszlo, I've been building relationships in my community since the day we moved here 4 years ago. They are coming in very handy now. How easy to bitch that the Obama Campaign needs to run some new ads so you can spend all your time sitting at the computer grousing with people who already share your views. I've made 500 phone calls in the past 3 days alone, I've organized others to canvass and I have already canvassed my town, I've registered people to vote and have organized volunteers to register people, I've helped open, furnish and supply a campaign office, I've had meetings with numerous people in my community...on and on and on. Not a whole lot of time in there for tea and crumpets.
August 21, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm going to Local Obama headquarters on Saturday to do whatever is asked of me.
That does not mean I should not try to warn the Obama campaign that things are not looking so good and giving them my input as to why this is so.
It is disloyal NOT to do that if you feel strongly about it.
Valid criticism is helpful while worshipful obeisance is hurtful.
August 21, 2008 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Varecia, In answer to your post, I basically agree with Andrew Strat here.
I almost missed your comment. I salute your work. Seriously. But I think the issue of how the campaign is conducted is important because in the final analysis (as you intimated in an earlier post) it is OUR campaign and our chance to truly change the direction of this country from the disaster and devastation of the far-right Rule. So this debate is more than valid, and either join in if you have something to say or not. But I think it is glib to cut off the discussion and say talk to neighbors; hopefully we all know that and do what we can.
August 22, 2008 8:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Notice how the Obamanoids are busy rehearsing the "it is all Hillary's fault" in case Obama loses.
They were never mature enough to run an election.
They never got past the "Hillary is a bitch", "Obama is The One". They are stuck there now, incapable of casting a critical eye on Obama when to do so might do him some good.
For God's sake you people in the Obama campaign. Wake up!!
August 21, 2008 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is there any definition of "Obamanoid" here and are the people it describes "running" the election? It's less than clear who you're talking about. I haven't heard any Hillary-bashing lately from the people who are running things.
August 21, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are right.
The Obamanoids are not running the campaign but they are out there giving Obama a bad name with their anti Clinton rhetoric and their worshipful attitude towards Obama. That gets out to the general public and it gives the Obama campaign a bad reputation.
The campaign needs to rein these people in if they can.
August 21, 2008 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Everyone is forgetting the KEY REASON Obama kept the muzzle on up to this point; he can't be depicted as an angry black man. That was a basic part of the strategy from the beginning. He was supposed to be the nice guy. That in itself was disappointing to me since I am one of the "extreme liberal" voters Obama supposedly represents (center-left in Euro parliament talk) in his Congressional voting record. Hillary is out. Forget suburbanite moderates who only lean towards the left due to a bug up their skirt. I hate to use the pun but it is true. Hillary supporters didn't show much support for all the other issues Democrats want to stand up for, and Obama has been concealing his real policy views ever since the upper middle class suburban semi-feminists started trying to drown out the world's real policy issues with complaints about a glass ceiling.
Quit worrying about disenchanted baby boomers in the workplace who didn't reach the job titles and stock options they wanted before retirement and START STANDING UP FOR THE REAL 21st CENTURY LIBERAL PLATFORM - IMPROVE THE JOB MARKET AND NATIONAL SECURITY THROUGH DIRECT FEDERAL INTERVENTION TO SHIFT AWAY FROM FOSSIL FUELS. I live in Denver and hope I am not disappointed next week.
August 21, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
From Theda's lips to God's ears
August 21, 2008 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just a few thoughts for those of you who think the election takes place next week. It doesn't. And if you research the gallup Polls of the past 7 or 8 elections in late August and compare them to the final results, let me assure most of you that you are needlessly causing yourselves unnecessary stress and anguish.
1. McCain has been pouring tens of millions of dollars into the national campaign - and yet his average poll number remains stuck at 42%. Does that not tell you anything?
2. McCain will be hamstrung by his decision to accept public funds - while Obama will have probably DOUBLE McCains available funds for campaign financing from September 1 - November 3. Why fight for votes now - when the matter little? Fight for them when people are paing attention - from Convention day forward.
3. McCain is a lousy debater - and comes off far poorer than Obama in televised image. And his poor grasp of facts and legendary temper can be exploited by Obama far more easily than can scripted and edited appearances.
4. McCain has played his highest trump cards at a time when most people are not paying attention. Obama has not deviated from his stated intention to run a clean campaign. But once the campaign starts in earnest, Obama can go negative WITH JUSTIFICATION - claiming it is a reaction to his opponent's decision. Obama is saving his biggest and most damaging ammunition for September and October - not wasting it during Summer doldrums (when no one is paying much attention anyway).
5. The GOP convention kicks off on LABOR DAY - a day when NO ONE is interested in speeches. And school also opens the first week in September - another diversion that they apparently did not think of. IN short - scheduling their convention for the week of labor Day may have repurcussions they have not considered.
In short - calm down and let the man do his job - a job he appears to be handling well, given that he still leads almost every national poll (and with even higher margins when 3rd party candidates are included). If he is still wimpy and non-confrontational by October - THEN it may be time to worry.
But not yet.
August 22, 2008 8:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is now time to start questioning McCain's war record, demanding the release of his service files, including the over 22 filmed and taped propaganda statements he made for the North Vietnamese.
August 22, 2008 8:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, Obama tends to believe his own rhetoric about "new politics" or a "different kind of politics," but it seems that he has lost some ground in the last few weeks.
What Theda Skocpol has written is on point. McCain has decided he really wants to be president. It's questionable if Obama really wants it that bad. People do pick up the signal about whether you are going to put up a fight or not.
Obama is perhaps too much of an intellectual to get down and dirty. If he and the Dems don't come out swinging instead singing, it'll be all over by Labor Day.
August 22, 2008 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm hoping that his VP pick will bring the fight to the republicans. I hope that it will be Jim Webb. He would be the perfect "sparring" partner and mouthpiece for Obama. He isn't afraid to say what needs to be said. He can go toe to toe with grandpa on the military issues, knows foreign policy and has the respect of the Republicans. A perfect choice, IF he'll take it. fingers crossed.
August 22, 2008 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
VLaszlo, your points are well taken. I'm just not feeling the panic or alarm that others here are feeling. Because I've been in contact with so many people in my community, and because I'm getting such overwhleming expressions of support for Obama from the people in my area, I don't feel the urgency or perceive the same sort of problem that others seem to be perceiving. I know it's dangerous to infer from one region of the country to another, but my region was supposed to be one of the more difficult populations for Obama to make headway in, but it's looking very positive here in spite of the concerns.
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