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Jamie Galbraith is an optimist, or maybe I'm just a pessimist. According to his latest book conservative economics is exhausted, burnt out, finito, kaput. All that is needed is for liberals to recognize this, abandon their lily-livered kowtowing to conservative economics, and start pushing on an open door by advocating a return for grand progressive policy action - i.e. long range policy planning and economic standards with government at the wheel.

That is an audacious strategy, but I beg to differ. I do not disagree with his policy recommendations (the chapters on planning and standards are two of the best), only his premise. Not only is conservative economics alive and well, but progressives have not even begun the job of convincing the world that they have a better understanding of the economy.

I'm all for boldness, and there's always a possibility Jamie's strategy could succeed. History allows for flukes. The economy could also experience another "Great Depression", causing a turn to progressive policy out of desperation. That is an awful thought, but it signals the extent of progressive weakness on economics.

The sad fact is progressives need "bad economic times" to win the policy debate. No, it's worse than that. They need "terrible economic times", and even then it is not clear they win.

In good times progressives sound hollow. In bad times they get a hearing and occasionally manage a win in the form of an extension of unemployment insurance or a small increase in the minimum wage. In terrible times there might be a turn to real progressive policy a la Galbraith. But it is only a chance. Remember the 1930s. Fascism won out in Europe, and the US also had a strong fascist movement that showed its strength in 1940 with America First. The popularity of the Bush-Cheney administration in 2004 and widespread public disregard for its attacks on habeus corpus leave me worried crypto-fascism could easily win out if the US experienced a really tough time.

Am I overstating the economic weakness of progressives? I don't think so. Take a look at the five grand areas of policy debate Galbraith focuses on - the market, supply-side economics, monetarism and the natural rate of unemployment, fiscal responsibility, and free trade. In each of them there remains strong policymaker support for the underlying economic ideas, and the public also holds a mostly conservative stance.

Galbraith rightfully scorns the "free to shop" construction of the economy as grossly inadequate, but it is a widely held position that progressives do not have a sharp pithy counter to. Besides progressives should be in favor of "free to shop", but it should be "free to shop plus a lot more".

With regard to supply-side economics, it still has significant academic and professional policymaker support, but tax cut rhetoric has lost traction with the public. However, the public has not migrated to gung-ho support of a progressive alternative.

With regard to budget balance, that still has support among both policymakers and the public. The technical support is based on nonsense claims about budget deficits and interest rates. The deeper support rests on budget balance being code for small government, which is still popular.

Monetarism (control of the money supply) has been totally discredited as an operating philosophy for monetary policy, but it has been replaced by the even more odious doctrine of the natural rate of unemployment. While it is true the natural rate does not guide day-to-day policy, the underlying construct remains completely intact and guides long term policy thinking. The public also implicitly buys into its logic. Thus, most people believe higher wages will cause some unemployment, and there is no popular conception of full employment as an alternative to the natural rate of unemployment.

Finally, there is free trade (and globalization). Elite policymakers remain strongly attached to free trade, support of which is the test for joining the elite. However, the public has become increasingly skeptical. That said, the public lacks an affirmative alternative so its skepticism is more likely to turn into isolationist protectionism than internationalist progressivism.

Comprehensively winning the economic policy debate requires two things: (1) imaginative logically consistent policies; (2) control of the frame for understanding the economy and its underlying problems. To use a sports metaphor, not having control of the frame always gives the opponent home field advantage. With control, policy is an easy sell and it is also easy to introduce new policy arguments. Without control, selling policy is an uphill struggle that leaves one saddled with an increasingly stale agenda that is not up to the challenge of changing times.

I have worked in Washington DC for twelve years and have seen zero interest among Democratic politicians, labor unions, and progressive think-tanks in engaging in a sustained war for control of the frame of understanding. Compare that with American Enterprise Institute (AEI) that was set up in 1943 to explicitly defend laissez-faire capitalism from FDR's New Deal, and which brought Milton Friedman to Washington thereby launching the "Age of Friedman".

Instead, the Washington progressive establishment persistently thinks it can win by cobbling together ever longer lists of policy proposals. It may eventually do so, but if it does win it will be because working men and women have been put through the economic wringer.

That is a terrible indictment. There is a smarter way of winning. In this war of ideas Jamie Galbraith is on the side of the angels, so I whole heartedly support the audacity of his declaring victory and marching in. However, my sense is his declaration is premature.


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I believe you are wrong about one key fact: the public does not buy into conservative economics. Nor does it buy into progressive economics. The public is too economically ignorant to hold even an uninformed opinion on these matters. It may be "the economy, stupid" but for the average voter that means he has a decent job and the price of necessities aren't getting out of hand. He neither knows nor cares about the economic arguemnts pro and con, which indeed are only slightly less arcane to him than the langauge of quantum physics. Indeed, he mistrusts economists as hopelessly out-of-touch academic fools. And therein may lie an opprtunity for progrsesives. Back in the 60s and 70s liberals were tarred as "pointy headed intellectuals" wedded to abstract theory rather than heeding common sense. Today there are a lot of conservaives who can wear that dunce cap-- if only progressives will stick on them. Forget abstractions. Just point out that the ivory tower theorizing of the conservatives (who really do not deserve that name as they are anything but) has landed the whole country in deep crap. George Bush is indeed the new Jimmy Carter.

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We can't make economic arguments until we know how to make simple philosophical arguments. Americans still seem to love the movie "It's a Wonderful Life". When did we lose the capacity to make the arguments made in that movie?

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Bluebell,

We lost the capcity to make the arguments you refer to when our elected leaders whored themselves to the corporations and the wealthy. It is impossible for someone beholden to those interests to condemn them let alone to fight them and disgorge them of their ill-gotten gains that are not simply unfair, but bad for the country because of all the priorities that go neglected when we allow them to feed like the parasites they are off the nations lifeblood. That's why.

Importantly, this applies to all areas, not just to economics. This is why we see Obama caving in on FISA (to please corporate interests) and even backing off his own proposals for taxing the rich more to pay for Social Security. You can't serve two masters. As long as elected Democrats try to stay suckling the corporate teat, the people's interests will go neglected at best.

Unless and until the elected leaders and opinion makers of the Democratic Party take a stand against predator wealth in America as they did in the New Deal and then actively and forcefully both argue for the people's interests in the public arena an fight for those interests in the legislative arena we will continue to experience the downward trend of decline in living standards for our common people and our prospects for the future.

We need a new fighting spirit on our side of the aisle. Back in the early 20th Century one popular song sung at the gates of factories being organized (to the tune of "Praise God From Whom All Blessings Flow")had the right spirit. It went like this:

Praise boss when morning work bells chime,

Praise him for bits of overtime,

Praise him whose war we love to fight,

Praise him fat leech and parasite!

A-men.

People then understood who was responsible for keeping the common people poor and their standards of living down. We need to abandon the charade that those who have plundered the nation the past 30 years are good, patriotic citizens who have the best interests of our nation and our people at heart. Till then, there will be no real change that matters for common people.

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"I have worked in Washington DC for twelve years and have seen zero interest among Democratic politicians, labor unions, and progressive think-tanks in engaging in a sustained war for control of the frame of understanding. "

Absolutely, and that statement applies to the broad range of issues from the environment to foreign policy to cultural issues.

I hate the word "progressive" because it doesn't mean anything. It just says - I'm not a conservative and I'm afraid to tell you I once was a liberal but I don't know who I am now so tell me what you think I should be and I'll be that until I talk to the next person who I allow to define what I'm going to stand for next.

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Just to reinforce your point. During the 20th Century there were just about 20 years when "progressive" policies were put in place.

The first period was during the Teddy Roosevelt/muckraker era when the failures of regulation (of all kinds) led to the FDA, SEC, etc.

The second was under FDR when a similar meltdown led to a willingness to try new things like Social Security. We have been coasting on these legacies ever since and their ability to control policy has been getting ever weaker.

The dominant philosophy in the US is Horatio Alger, this is what every story of success in the popular media promotes. The lone gunman, inventor, athlete, businessman, making it without any institutional help.

The Europeans have a concept they call solidarity, that we all have responsibilities for each other and that we designate government to carry out these goals. This doesn't exist in the US. We may be going through another cycle of disaster which will permit a few progressive programs to be enacted, but it doesn't represent any fundamental change in philosophy.

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I think you've been listening to too much right wing revisionism. The US started the public school system. We passed the Morrill Act for land grant colleges. We built roads and public libraries. We created wonderful parks. Even today we build monumental sports stadiums with tax dollars. We've done many great things in community. We've just forgotten how to talk about them and build a narrative around them. The cowboy lost out to the fence and the small town. We just need to learn to talk about that town again. Hillary had that message with the village but she didn't pursue it. Had she, I think she'd have won the election this year.

OK people, it's time to face cold cruel reality. Americans believe conservative economic principles, because they mirror what the average person faces in their financial lives. Most every economic situation has a corresponding micro micro equivalent. If we the people have to live within a budget, so should the government.

Moreover, the liberal need to identify deficiencies and throw money at them gets tiresome. So does the call to do without, in the name of shaky science. Like it or not, the left has only deprevation to offer, not prosperity, leaving an impossible sales job.

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When was the last time a Republican administration lived within a budget? A budget is a list of priorities. The Democrats' problem is that they are unable to clearly and convincingly articulate priorities. Priorities flow from values and Democrats are also afraid to articulate values. For example, values might be a healthy, educated, clean, safe and attractive community. From those values you might prioritize health care, schools, the enviroment, police, fire, parks, etc. Democrats don't know how to do that anymore because they've been brainwashed into believing that what every American family wants is to go out into the wilderness with only their gun beside them to fend for themselves alone.

When was the last time a Republican administration lived within a budget?
You aren't get an argument from me about that.
A budget is a list of priorities. The Priorities flow from values and Democrats are also afraid to articulate values. For example, values might be a healthy, educated, clean, safe and attractive community. From those values you might prioritize health care, schools, the enviroment, police, fire, parks, etc.
This may be hard to believe but Republicans are in favor of all those things too. Personally I've never noticed that Democrats are shy about what they think should be priorities. Reticence usually comes when asked HOW those things will come about.
Democrats don't know how to do that anymore because they've been brainwashed into believing that what every American family wants is to go out into the wilderness with only their gun beside them to fend for themselves alone.
Part of the left's problem is over the top rhetoric like this, which highlights the desire for scoring political points rather than actually doing something constructive.
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I don't think the typical mainstreet Republican, and I know many of them, wants his family alone in the woods with only the family gun to defend them. But I believe Democrats have so bought into the far right rants that they believe they can't sell some simple old-fashioned communitarian values to the Republican next door. Democrats and Republicans used to argue and come to agreement on issues like this all the time. Republicans tending to support more individual responsibility and Democrats tending to support more public involvement. They did it at the Lions Club and Elks Club and Knights of Columbus mixing individual effort, local organizations and local government. Grover Norquist and others came along and sold the idea that all taxes are bad no common effort is worthwhile (the "Survivor" mentality) and Democrats no longer have sufficient faith in themselves to push back. Sure, that may mean compromise but you push and you pull and you make your case and stand up for what you believe in and have faith in your own argument -- then you compromise.

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Bluebell,

Conservatives believe in money and how to accumulate more, too much is never enough. They couch their beliefs in bullshit like family values, fiscal responsibility, patriotism, free trade, and low taxes. WOW, who can't support those principles? I myself ignore what they say, and instead, watch what they do.

Unbridled capitalism is their Holy Grail. To see what Conservatives are, read about the Mariannas Islands and Jack Abramoff/Tom DeLay. etc. Or, read about Ralph Reed, Grover Norquist, Jack Abramoff and the Indian tribe's casinos.

Or, one can look at the Conservative members of Congress who push for farm subsidies and flood relief for red states in the Mississippi flood plane.

Listen to the Conservative who tells you about the tax break for that "SMALL BUSINESS" grocery store in Americana, Ark, but omits telling you about Wal-Mart's tax break in the same bill.

Listen to the Conservative tell you about the tax break for that "SMALL BUSINESS" Mom and Pop gas station in Patriot, Iowa but doesn't mention the tax break for EXXON in the same bill.

McCain and other Republicans running from what they are as they address the disasterous 6 years of Bush/Cheney and a Republican Congress; "We lost our way my friends." "Lost our way"; what a frikkin laugh riot, they didn't lose their way, they did what Conservative Republicans do and this country is paying for it.

Conservatives abhor the national motto, E Pluribus Unum, in favor of Every Man for Himself.

Phil and Wendy Gramm, quintessential modern day Conservatives.

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Maybe Americans aren't as conservative as you think.
The Newer Deal: The Path to a Democratic Supermajority By Michael Lind, New America Foundation

Consider the results of a June 17, 2008, Rockefeller Foundation/Time poll. When "favor strongly" and "favor somewhat" are combined, one gets the following percentages for policies favored by overwhelming majorities: increase the minimum wage to keep up with the cost of living (88 percent); increase government spending on things like public-works projects to create jobs (86 percent); put stricter limits on pollution we put into the atmosphere (85 percent); limit rate increases on adjustable rate mortgages (82 percent); provide quality healthcare to all, regardless of ability to pay (81 percent); impose higher tax incentives for alternative energy (81 percent); provide government-funded childcare to all parents so they can work (77 percent); provide more paid maternity/dependent care leave (76 percent); make it less profitable for companies to outsource jobs to foreign countries (76 percent); expand unemployment benefits (76 percent).

Lind published this article today in Salon. I wish he had posted it here. It is definitely worth discussing.

C'mon Emma, who WOULDN'T want all those things? I'm surprised the percentages weren't closer to 100. Personally I'd like Bill Gates bank account, George Clooney's love life, and Tiger Woods golf game.

Where any of these people asked to figure out how it would happen or was this just blue sky wishing? People of all stripes generally want the same things, it's how to get from A to B that's the problem.

Re: If we the people have to live within a budget, so should the government.

If balancing the budget is a conservative economic principle, then my point above is proven in spades: an awful lot of people calling themselves "conservatives" are no such thing. The Bush administration makes a pack of drunken sailors look like clones of Ebeneezer Scrooge.

Hello, all. I am new here. Please forgive this test post.

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Bluebell is right. Progressive has become a weasel word for people ashamed to be thought an old-fashioned liberal. You know, those who like to say they are socially liberal but fiscally conservative. I like how Michael Lind (maybe others?) are using the term neoliberal to describe them. It sort of ties them at least linquistically to the neocons.

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Tom is right, I'm an optimist.

But I think we are talking at cross purposes here. That is, when I say that Keynesian economics is the only surviving kind, I'm reading the tea leaves of policy action.

Tom on the other hand is talking about political rhetoric: about the "frame of understanding." Of course, he's right about the complete failure of liberals, so far, to wrest back control of the "frame of understanding." That's what my book is about!

There is a complete disjuncture between the principles according to which policy is actually conducted, and the frame of understanding.

If I thought that liberals had a coherent strategy for recapturing the frame of understanding, I wouldn't have bothered writing the book.

My point is that the conservative frame of understanding bears no relation to the actual conduct of policy by anyone.

Monetarism? Supply-side economics? Free trade? Balanced budgets? Yes, that's the rhetorical frame. But find me a single conservative in government who actually takes any of it seriously.

Just take one example: free trade. Tom writes that "elite policymakers remain strongly attached to free trade." Excuse me, but this just is not so. Elite policymakers remain strongly attached to the rhetoric of free trade. But do they practice it? Of course not. Bilateral trade agreements are shot full of client-oriented protectionism, thinly disguised as "intellectual property rights" and similarly.

(This, by the way, is not a partisan point. A very prominent economist pointed out to me, not long ago, that in 1993 Clinton named Mickey Kantor as Special Trade Representative. Who was Mickey Kantor? Well, he was Clinton's campaign chair. This was not an accident.)

I could go through this for each topic, but ... well, it's in the book.

So, why am I optimistic? Because, in my view, to align rhetoric with reality is a strong strategy, at least some of the time.

JG

I find YOUNG Progressives really facinating.

IF all the Liberal Political/Social Fantasies REALLY DO come to pass in the years to come then America will come to resemble a cold war Russia- socialist country. Everyone WILL BE EQUAL ALRIGHT. Equally poor, equally lazy (nothing to work for), equally hopeless (because religion will be gone),and equally dependent on the nanny state.

I'll be gone by then- But is this what YOUNG Progressives really want for their children?????

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So short of the rich being to have it all everything else represents socialism?

I guess it must suck realizing Friedman's 'theories' about the how the economy should work have been discredited by 'reality'. Laissez faire economics is a sham.

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ExTex,

don't tell me, you're a regular poster on FreeRepublic.com.

@ libertine


So short of the rich being to have it all everything else represents socialism?


It worse than that. Everything else represents near psychotic delusion, millenarian fantasy, hopeless and incomprehensible dreaming.

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Hi OTY... :-P

Ummmmmm sure. Is ExTex a friend of yours? You're another one of those people who think when a few have more we all benefit, right? Less is more?

@ libertine


Hi libertine. Nope, don't know ex-tex...and I would NEVER be so foolish as to think that what benefits the few benefits the many. What benefits all is rapid growth and capitalist opportunity.


My observation was just that.


Money doesn't buy everything...but you'll never be able to construct your egalitarian paradise. There'll always be rich and very rich and some of them will be utter and complete pigs. Thank fully, not all.


For the past 200 or so years the pie has been rapidly expanding so that the middle class grew and poverty came to mean something different in the advanced world than in the undeveloped.


But the end of cheap energy and overpopulation will put an end to that. The middle and lower classes are in for some very bad times.

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I have no illusions or delusions OTY, lol...

I am not looking for everything to be shared equally. That is only a little sillier objective than laissez faire economics being the tool to 'solve all of society's ills'. Both philosophies should be thrown in the trash heap. Rapid growth and capitalist opportunity? It is a zero sum game OTY. If somebody wins somebody else will be losing. Everybody can't be winners...we just need to try to move the margins in. The poorest not as poor and the richest not as rich and that would take care of many problems.

You do have a good point about overpopulation. I don't know if we will be around when the world's population hits critical mass, but there only are a finite amount of resources which can't support a continually expanding global population.

@ libertine


It isn't a zero sum game...but there are plenty of losers. Successful companies often put their competitors out of business. When there's a major technological advance whole industries go under.


In theory, those who are displaced move on to new industries which provide products and services which were previously unavailable or never before imagined.


So far, that has largely been true but the process is not well-understood and can be pretty inefficient and destructive (think business cycle, depression, war). Personally, I don't believe it can continue without some major changes because fewer and fewer people can adapt to increasing technological demands, and because it is so destructive both to individuals and to our environment.

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Sad but true: Intelligence is a political liability in the US. Author of The Age of American Unreason Susan Jacoby explains why.

http://www.alternet.org/story/95109/how_anti-intellectualism_is_destroying_america/?page=entire

The mention of Michael Lind's piece in Salon is interesting because I read his review of Thomas Frank's "The Wrecking Crew" and Lind sounds nothing like a progressive. Maybe I'm wrong.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/books/review/Lind-t.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

How can you expect people who don't pay that much attention to know what the hell is going on? Even people who supposedly do pay attention (media) don't tell them because the media are corporate and part of the establishment. Truth doesn't matter to SO many people.

No. It wasn't the right that came up with "new math", pass/fail only, the demise of spelling, letting children set the curriculum and all the other assorted new and improved ways to dumb down education.

it wasn't the right that held back learning by teaching to the lowest common denominator, blowing resources on "special education", and billion dollar high schools.

And it certainly wasn't the right that made teen pregnancy fashionable, ignorance acceptable, and dependency tolerable. Intelligence and more importantly achievement, have left America for the developing nations where such qualities are prized.

People prize intellectualism when it leads to something beneficial. Claiming that theory is the same as practice is usually why intellectuals are derided. Claiming that inflating tires can substitute for new drilling, then heckling opponents as ignorant is a prime example of intellectual stupity.

Rapid growth and capitalist opportunity? It is a zero sum game OTY. If somebody wins somebody else will be losing. Everybody can't be winners...we just need to try to move the margins in. The poorest not as poor and the richest not as rich and that would take care of many problems.

Actually this is a fundamental wrongness that is the basis for quite a bit of bad policy and general anxiety in the uninformed. Wealth is NOT a zero sum game. And yes, everyone can be winners.

First of all wealth is not just money, it's resources and capital. If you like call it "stuff that you can make other stuff with." We have more stuff in America every year. Living standards across the board increase every year. If wealth were truly a zero sum game, we'd all be divvying up the same amount of wealth present in prehistoric times. That alone should get your thinking on the right track.

Do Gates and Buffet take something away from you when their wealth increases? No. In point of fact, rich people are rich because they have something people are willing to trade their dollars for. For that matter, this country couldn't function without rich people. they pay way more than their share of taxes, endow public works, and create jobs.

The economy as a zero-sum game is just a fearful superstition, and a destructive one at that.

America is the one that allows itself to keep losing. With all this bellicose talk, America is behind other developing nations now in increasing numbers on increasing levels. It needs to rebuild it's strengths and focus on that. Realize that the perceptions of us are in their eyes reality. People need to open their eyes and realize what the real situations are in American, and stop believing half truths and shadings fed to them by this slick administration. Wake Up.

So, America can continue all it's empty great sounding rhetoric while it continues to lose it's way on so many very real levels.

This government can not do everything and control the frame.

Each party cavils about the others' pet spending and philosophy. Paranoid republicans building our defense and aghast democrats handing out aid. Both, Obama and McCain promising to fix energy when it is us, the guy on the street, reducing gas usage, taking the wind out of the speculative market. All parties play the earmark and vote swap game to bankrupt the US Treasury.

Reading Friedman and Galbraith, I find some of their work complimentary. The role of government will ebb and flow. Right now, both parties want the government to do everything. And it is bankrupting us.

Teddy Roosevelt acted. And he failed on several programs, succeeding on a couple.

$50 trillion in commitments makes new action by government look like a drunk sailor stumbling for another drink.

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