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Let me begin this second round by noting an event in a parallel universe: Thomas Sowell's attack yesterday on Obama in National Review Online. The column is entitled "The Galbraith Effect" and it's not, alas, about my book. Here's how it begins:

"Many years ago, when I was a college student, I took a course from John Kenneth Galbraith. On the first day of class, Professor Galbraith gave a brilliant opening lecture, after which the students gave him a standing ovation. Galbraith kept on giving brilliant opening lectures the whole semester. But, instead of standing ovations, there were now dwindling numbers of students and some of them got up and walked out in the middle of his lectures. Galbraith never got beyond the glittering generalities that marked his first lecture. After a while, the students got tired of not getting any real substance. Senator Barack Obama's campaign this year reminds me very much of that course from Professor Galbraith."

Thomas Sowell graduated from Harvard in 1958. It's therefore likely that the course he took was a chapter-by-chapter preview of The Affluent Society, published that year. Such was JKG's teaching habit, in those days. The book was an epic bestseller and is still in print.

Sowell's fatuous little opening is of course a parody of the "brilliant opening lecture" that never gets "beyond the glittering generalities." Notice how, unlike his contemporaries, he sat through it all, observing carefully the empty seats. Notice also how he can read the minds of his fellow students, so eager for "real substance." My father's failings as a teacher must have been quite a topic, late at night in those Harvard dorms.

One could go on to discuss the stupid claim Sowell tries to make against Obama's economics, in defense of lower taxes on the very rich: that "experience has shown that the government typically collected more revenue from a lower capital-gains tax rate than from a higher rate." He does not bother to cite evidence, and the case has been exhaustively debunked (calling Brad DeLong!) since long ago. But that's not my reason for raising it.

Rather, what's interesting about this snippet is what was not said, but what is missing, what Peter Dale Scott calls the "negative template." Does Sowell make any claim that a low capital gains tax supports investment, saving or work effort? No, he does not. That topic has disappeared. The claim he does make, is about tax revenue. Since when was this a priority for a conservative? Hasn't he heard of starving the beast?

And this is followed, after a bit, by a passing reference to "lower levels of economic activity and fewer jobs." That reference is unmistakably Keynesian. Well, who brought Keynes to America? My father, who went to Cambridge in 1937 to study The General Theory, has a pretty strong claim. Maybe, just maybe, Tom Sowell did learn something in that class, over fifty years ago.

In any event, the reference should remind us, by its presence and their absence, of the more recent supply-side fallacies that he has obviously, conveniently, and wisely forgotten.

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Michael Lind challenged me to say a few words about the origins of the liberal surrender to the market mind-mush. Several comments already took this up, and made valuable points. Clearly the Cold War liberals did realize that they had to defeat the Soviet Union by developing a more effective economic model, and with the experience of the Depression fresh in their minds they did not delude themselves that this could be done through free markets. So they remained substantially loyal to the New Deal. The last New Dealer was Lyndon Johnson, a protean figure who becomes more interesting with every biography.

The Cold War liberals also took a New Deal outlook, at least in principle, toward the developing world: just for instance, Walt Rostow's Stages of Economic Growth was a Cold War document, subtitled, "A Non-Communist Manifesto;" the message (for better or worse) was that everyone could take the American path. Much later, the impending end of the Cold War made the Third World safe for the neoliberal "Washington Consensus," with consequences well-told by Joe Stiglitz and by Naomi Klein. The rise in inequality throughout the world since 1980 emerges in detail in my own research, on the web-site of the University of Texas Inequality Project (if you're interested, just click on the world map).

But what happened in economics and in the 1960s and 1970s is what I know best, because it was the world I grew up in. My father was already a senior adviser in 1960 - at 52 he was old enough to have started work in Washington in 1934 and to have played a major role during the Second World War. The avatars of the New Economics - Samuelson, Solow, Tobin - were younger. And the split in the Kennedy administration was between that group on one side, who favored tax cuts to stimulate the private economy, and my father on the other, who favored an expansive program of public spending and investment designed to realize the program that was implicit in The Affluent Society - which was, after all, a critique of basing the economy on private purchasing power.

JKG observed (in a remark rediscovered by Bruce Bartlett) that tax-cut Keynesianism would prove fatally attractive, converting Hooverite Republicans to Keynes and seducing liberals by the speed and efficiency with which the economy could be goosed toward full employment. This argument was replayed in every debate over stimulus packages ever since, including in the offices of Henry Reuss, where I worked from the mid-1970s through the early 1980s. Early this year, I helped persuade John Edwards to denounce the "stimulus package" Congress passed, on the ground that it would buy a little time but solve no fundamental problems, while making those problems more difficult to face up to next year. But JKG lost the argument in the 1960s (partly because he was in India, where Kennedy needed him for foreign policy reasons), and the Galbraithians have lost it pretty much ever since. That should change.

In the 1960s, academic economics was a discussion among what seems, by modern standards, an almost incredibly diverse collection of intellectual giants. Paul Samuelson was at the peak of his influence. At MIT there was also Bob Solow, at Yale there was Jim Tobin, at Harvard in addition to my father there were Wassily Leontief and Simon Kuznets, at Chicago there was Milton Friedman. There was also a recognized dissident tradition: radical economics, loosely drawing on Marx. At the other Cambridge, there were Nicholas Kaldor and Joan Robinson, both of whom closely linked to Keynes.

But the early 1970s were an academic disaster for the mainstream American Keynesians - the New Economists of the Kennedy Council and their associates and friends. This is an old story by now, of how they had built an intellectual edifice on a flimsy empirical contraption -- the Phillips Curve trade-off between inflation and unemployment -- and how they collapsed when it did. It is difficult now to reconstruct just how powerful and devastating the Friedman-monetarist critique of standard American Keynesianism seemed in those days; doubts about Friedman's logic and evidence lay in the future.

The result was the right-wing takeover of academic economics, which predated the rise of Reaganism and provided a deep economic bench for the political right when it finally took power. But now the Old Keynesians were the recognized opposition - if any opposition was to be tolerated at all, it would be them. And they devoted much of the rest of their careers - Tobin and to his death and Solow to this very day - to the fight against the academic far right. In this, they did great work. But they also had little tolerance for theoretical deviations on their left. And the great diversity that economics had enjoyed, largely disappeared. Leontief and my father left almost no academic successors, and a great figure like Robert Eisner received less attention than he deserved.

By the end of the 1970s, the old Keynesians were an exhausted group: beaten in academic life, and beaten in politics. I don't think very many of them were all that sad to retreat to the academy, or to Brookings, when Carter was forced from office in 1980. Their chief intellectual descendants now are Joe Stiglitz and Paul Krugman - both very brilliant, and both brought up in the tradition of "don't look left." Paul, in particular, has been hit with some harsh knocks here, and back in those days we too had our tiffs.

These days, I'm a Stiglitz - Krugman loyalist, to the last breath. For two reasons. First, both Joe and Paul were mugged by reality. For Joe, this happened at the Council of Economic Advisers, and then at World Bank. For Paul, it happened when he found himself, in the gray dawn of the Bush era, sitting on the world's most valuable piece of newspaper real estate, a column at the New York Times.

Both rose to history. Joe Stiglitz issued a magnificent critique of neoliberal economics on the developing world, and has followed that with a fine book (with Linda Bilmes) on the costs of the Iraq War. And Paul has been, year in and year out, the relentless voice of us all, facing down every sort of abuse. So even if we were still in fundamental disagreement over theory, I would have buried those disagreements for the length of the war.

The second reason, is that both Joe and Paul have changed their views, at least up to a point. The financial crisis, especially, imposes a New Deal viewpoint on the world. It moves one away from the textbook formulae of the financially-stable 1960s, toward the monetary-theorist Keynes of the 1930s. And, the reality of the predator state is something that both have observed, first-hand.

For these reasons, I'm almost optimistic. Economics may have a future. To answer Sid's question: yes the shackles of the predator state can be broken.

Finally: a word of thanks to Sid, Maggie, Susan, Mike, Tom and Max. Of course. Certainly no author ever got better treatment. So far, anyway.


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I'm glad you brought up Sowell's article. I read it over at Free Republic a few days ago and wondered how you'd respond.


In any event, the reference should remind us, by its presence and their absence, of the more recent supply-side fallacies that he has obviously, conveniently, and wisely forgotten.


But lots of things have been forgotten.

Struggle as the New Deal did, it could not bring back the employment levels of the 1920's. The United States, until 1941, was to be plagued with wholesale unemployment and the need to administer a huge relief program.

from Donald R. McCoy's "Coming of Age" (1973)


So I wouldn't be too anxious to hold up Keynesian liberalism as a glorious remedy for the failings of supply-side economics.

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But isn't deficit war spending intrinsically Keynesian--doesn't your point illustrate that the only problem was the Roosevelt was being Keynesian enough?

@ vorkosignan1


Obviously, spending on armaments and soldiers enabled us to return to full employment, just as it worked for the Nazis 6 or 7 years prior. AND. The near total war-time destruction of Europe enabled us to maintain full-employment for years after the war ended.


The trick is to do that without wars. So far, it hasn't been possible. Not all the tricks funny money and deficits and inflation have been able to put humpty-dumpty back together again.

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Sowell thinks McCain is liar so I guess he gets an A for insight. And Sowell seems to agree with Wesley Clark on McCain's war experience vis vis the Presidency.....maybe much to Bob Scheifer's chagrin.

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"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."


John Kenneth Galbraith

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
This is one of the all time semantic swindles. Selfishness is not self interest. Self interest is the star around which every persons life revolves. Your occupation is a matter of self interest, saving for the future is a matter of self interest, the kind of person your spouse is, is a matter of self interest.

If you have a valid argument, smearing the speaker as a bad person isn't required to make a point. Galbraith obviously does not have a valid argument.

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Shooter,

An equitable (defined somehow) distribution of the country's wealth is a matter of self interest, without it, people start sharpening the guillotine.

Not to mention a rising crime rate.

Galbraith obviously does not have a valid argument.

His argument may be different than yours, but that doesn't mean its not valid.

Shooter, An equitable (defined somehow) distribution of the country's wealth is a matter of self interest, without it, people start sharpening the guillotine.
It's telling that you reach back almost three centuries to a repressive monarchy as a cautionary example. Worse, you acknowledge that an "equitable" system isn't even defined. No, there will not be any guillotines. Nor is there any hue and cry for income equality.
Not to mention a rising crime rate.
Do you have a cite for that assertion? I thought that the crime rate, like global warming was diminishing. Interestingly, the crime rate for a given location has been linked to section 8 housing, not income inequality. I'd give you a cite, but that seems to trigger a quarantine by the blog. Google "section 8 crime"
His argument may be different than yours, but that doesn't mean its not valid.
Yes it does. It's equivalent to saying something like... Modern philosophy is revolves around the liberal penchant for totalitarianism.

It makes an unproved assertion while smearing liberals as tyrant wannabees. That, is not a valid argument.

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shooter says:

It's telling that you reach back almost three centuries to a repressive monarchy as a cautionary example.

Russian Revolultion. 1917

China take your pick, I'll go with 1949

Irish revolution 1916

Interestingly, the crime rate for a given location has been linked to section 8 housing, not income inequality.

That argument is laughable.

As to the rise in crime I mentioned, it was an opinion based on the idea that as more and more of the country's wealth is concentrated at the top
one would expect a rise in crime due to people having less than an abject poverty existance, and avoiding that would be a matter of "self interest."
The Irish Republican Army was a classic example of this.

Isn't this what Victor Hugo's Les Miserables was all about?

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oops. I forgot to blockquote the end.

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The most devastating argument FOR economic planning is the primary engine of the US economy: the Pentagon. Half of our taxes go to some kind of military boondoggle or another.

That is completely planned, 'command and control' system.

BTW: Offensivetoyou:

Read JKG's biography. In it you will discover a few 'inconvenient truths' for the GOP mythmakers:

The New Deal programs were working like a charm - really, they HAD to. Unemployment was falling quickly. Until the GOP in congress pressed for "fiscal discipline" in 1936 and they cut the full employment 'forced spending' model.

In fact, the WWII example is just another example of Keynes ideas working exactly as advertised.

See, during WWII, they nationalized industry and the government formed a command and control economy with price controls. This wasn't a 'free market' in any way.

And yet conservatives cite WWII efforts as evidence of the 'free market' taking over from the New Deal.

The fact is, the whole nationalization of the US economy of WWII was just an example where full employment was combined with 'forced saving' (rationing and buying bonds) and it totally proves Keynes and Galbraith RIGHT.

@ King Elvis


In the latter days of communism there was a saying among the Russians


"We pretended to work. They pretended to pay us"


See Elvis, those who live under a system generally know more about it than left-wing, sheltered academics.


Unemployment
Unemployment Data at the bottom of the page. When you add in those employed by various government make work projects unemployment hardly dropped between 33 and 41.


The point is that FDR and the NEW DEAL were unsuccessful in restarting the private economy so few new jobs were generated. Obviously you can fake it by providing all sorts of make work, some useful, some not, some efficiently run, most not...and you can do it until the money runs out because most of these jobs do not generate profit for the employer.


Now maybe someone can figure out a system where all work is truly useful, where everyone's efforts can be traded for everyone else's efforts at mutually acceptable rates. So far, no one has. A few people have skills that generate ideas and products useful to everyone. A lot of people have some skills...and a large number - perhaps 20 or 30 percent of the population have nothing that anyone else wants enough to pay for.

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offensivetoyou:

One other thing you never hear about the '30s economy was that worker productivity really went through the roof.

We've experienced similar productivity gains in the past 15 or so years, but shouldn't that benefit go to worker pay? No it hasn't. The 'free market' as we know it does not reward virtuous hard work - or even just highly productive labor.

In fact, when you consider that the banking de-regulation (Glass Steagal repeal) was done in the name of the 'free market' what it did was actually just take money from homebuyers and give it to the Wall Street vampires.

This profit was simply the fruits of the 'labor' of the Wall Street go-go boys putting the arm on the congress (+ B Clinton) for goodies. Hardly Adam Smith's pin factory.

@ kingelvis


I don't know anything about '30s productivity...but modern productivity has certainly taken off because of advances in technology. Those who work in that area have been handsomely rewarded, many becoming rich or fabulously rich. Those who were displaced by that technology, and there were many, have joined millions of others whose jobs were exported overseas. They are now eating shit. However, those overseas workers are doing very well. You have only to look at China and India for proof.


It's clear we are in a new era. No one knows how to best adapt. The new economy will be some kind of hybred, some mixture of government and private enterprise, whose nature will be determined by experiment, by trial and error.


So forget that tired old leftist crap. It's like studying phrenology, or necromancy, or alchemy, or astrology. You can make a life of it...but why would you want to? Give up the constant search for rich thieves to blame for your troubles (They exist, of course, but so do poor thieves) and do something more creative.

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And here's what that tired old history lead me too:

According to Nobel Laureate and Washington University Professor of Economic History C. Douglas North's book, "Structure and Change in Economic History", the fall of the Roman Empire resulted from the concentration of wealth and power. Wealth and power became extremely concentrated; the wealthy and powerful then used their influence to avoid paying taxes. Rome was unable to fund large enough armies at a time when size would have made a difference. A civilized empire of 50 million people with all the resources of western civilization fell to roving bands of barbarians resulting in a 500 year dark age.

The amazing thing about this is the people who had the most to lose by the collapse of a state that recognized property rights, the wealthy and powerful, were the ones least willing to fund its perpetuation.

The same phenomena occurred in medieval Japan, except in this case, there was no external threat existed. The state just collapsed. At first the wealthy hired mercenaries, but at some point the mercenaries helped themselves to the wealthy's estates. The result: a 200 hundred year feudal dark age.

After 1025, A similar situation brought the demise of the medieval Byzantine Empire before the battle of Manzikert handing all of Anatolia to Turks and triggering the crusades.

This pattern manifests as early as the collapse of ancient Egyptian kingdoms and cast a shadow over the collapse of Hapsburg Spain, Bourbon France, Romanov Russia – and the onset of the Great Depression which lead directly to Hitler's rise, World War II and the Holocaust.

As Churchill suggested in 1940 in his "Finest Hour" speech, a new dark age was narrowly averted. I want to emphasize this last point: Republican policies in the 1920s lead directly to the Great Depression, the rise of the Nazis, World War II and the holocaust.

Now those reckless policies are in vogue again and we're are seeing the rapid collapse of American power as a result. Consider that only 10 years ago Russia was at it's post war nader, in part because of the embrace of Neoliberal economics under Yeltsin while the United States was at an historical epigee - not just for the United States, but for all of history. Now ten years later, a Russia revitalized, in part for turning it's back on neoliberal economics in favor of more pragmatic approaches, marches into Georgia with little respect or concern over the opinions of now hobbled United States.

The real problem for the United States is that it is based upon only one principle: Free Contract.

In such a society bargaining power is everything. Anyone who has seen there own bargaining power ebb and flow know this intrinsically. Indeed everything that goes on around us, from personal grooming to advertising and lobbying in congress has to do with various individuals or groups trying to advance their bargaining power.

Prior to the Civil War, the U.S. had about the broadest distribution of wealth in world history, even with slavery in the south (the slaves having no bargaining power). Despite fighting the civil war to end slavery, 25 years after the war ended the distribution of wealth was concentrated at unprecedented levels.

Some of this has to do with the closing of the fronteer. But most of this has to do with the invention of the modern limited liability corporation during the civil war years. Corporations are a collective, and as such, they have bargaining power advantages over individuals. The United States will continue to flirt with disaster of epic proportions as long as it doesn't have a remedy for the bargaining power disparity created by the limited liability corporation.

During the New Deal era, this was solved by Industry Trade Unions. However this solution no longer holds. The Japanese have found an alternative model: Company unions + Employee Tenure. Japan has the broadest distribution of wealth amongst all major economies as well as perhaps the most competitive organizations. It should be noted that this model alters corporate behavior - while ostensibly both Japanese and American corporations function under the rule of shareholder primacy, in practice American corporations are 'executive primacy' and the Japanese are 'employee primayc'. As it turns out employees are a better proxy for long term shareholders interest then the American model because they both seek long term market share expansion.

On a final note, it should be pointed out that in his 'Finest Hour' speech, Churchill suggested that if the English could prevail, not only a new dark age averted, but a new golden age might appear. Between 1945 and 1973 global productivity more than doubled. In less than 30 years, where liberal economics was wide spread, the world economy grew more than it had the prior 10,000 years.

The track record of wealth concentration is one littered with epic disasters through out the entirety of history and geography. The track record of liberal economics is stupendence. Thanks to the likes of JKG, Churchill's 'Finest Hour' speech proved truly profound and prophetic. The 30 years following World War II, in art, science, literature, learning, economics, engineering, was the most golden of history's golden ages.

The ever-repeating pattern of concentrated wealth and an accompanying unwillingness to pay taxes to sustain the state are characteristics that have preceded most epic collapses in history. Most remarkable, those with the most to lose, the wealthy and powerful, are consistently the least willing to sustain the state.

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Tim,

excellent post, thanks.

I'll check back to see if anyone disputes your analysis and how convincing they sound.

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Thanks.

There won't be any substantive counter arguments - only collateral counter arguments due to sloppiness on my part. I appologize to all here for that, but I am a man of limited resources and commenting here is just a hobby - I save my good stuff for more important things, like when I'm being paid.

The point about the Romans is disputed. Some say that it's collapse was the result of the collapse of Rome's commercial economy. I would argue that that is the same thing. When wealth concentrates, demand collapses, and when it does, so does the commercial economy. The only few people with disposable money create boutique levels of demand. Additionally there is revisionist history being undertaken by the intellectual foot soldiers of the far right. But to conclude anything else to be correct, other than what I have said here, means you have to take things out of context. That context suggest that Rome controlled all the resources of the Western world, and at the time the Western world began in Armenia, and included all of North Africa, Anatolia and the Levant. There's no way that wondering bands of landless people should be able to prevail - also consider that Rome in the time of Hannibal, restricted to only the resources of the Italian pennisula, at a much earlier time, was able to throw massive army after massive army at Hannibal. The concentration of wealth did to Rome what it does to Banana Republics - strip them of their will to fight.

Incidentally, another point I forgot to make is that Islam is, in part, a reaction to concentrated wealth in the city of Mecca in the 6th and 7th century. In fact it's one of the few successful internal reactions to concentrated wealth (the New Deal is another example, but it appears to only have been a temporary gain - in fact the United States as a super power was a byproduct of Roosevelt's gift, something this nation will learn in the next 20 years if McCain manages to win).

The point here is that concentrated wealth always leads to epic societal disaster. In many cases entire civilizations disappear as a result. As Roosevelt said, "It's not just immoral, its bad policy too" (paraphrased from memory).

If there is one subject people should have to learn in school in order to be a citizen, it is civics. If there is one point in civics that people should have to learn its the sad history of concentrated wealth (the second would be the sad history of conjoining religion and civics).

Free contract is a good principle. But in all instances where freedom and liberty are concerned, the principle is worthless without fairness.

Wiesenthaler, I think said it correctly, 'without justice there is only tyranny.'

Freedom with out fairness is neither. Freedom with out fairness makes for the tyranny of might makes right.

In the case of economics, free contract is good only if bargaining takes place on a level playing field. That's what the history of the last 150 years is all about.

The economic arguments here have to do with ways of compensating for the fact that the bargaining field has become unfair and tilted towards one side. When this happens all the marbles slide to one side. When that happens we step into the Romans' shoes. Republicans, even learned or educated ones, don't seem to care. They don't have to stretch back to the ancient Egyptians, they can just look at their own short history. R

Republicans see the 1920s as Pollyanna. Like salmon swimming upstream, they are swimming back to 1929. To do so they have to swim past World War II, the holocaust, the rise of Hitler, all things that their policies helped to trigger - and they simply ignore it all.

They way I like to see it, the more wealth concentration occurs, the more it's like standing up in a canoe. Sooner or later sudden, epic, collapse will occur when the canoe tips over. However, fairness is the outrigger that takes a highly unstable cannoe and makes it immensley stable.

How we achieve stability of fairness is what this discussion is all about, but the real problem I think is getting people to realize the importance and role the principle of fairness plays. Republicans simply, and joyfully, ignore it - setting in motion the seeds of their own, and unfortunately, our own destruction.

By the way I think the sub-Prime loans debacle is a micro-example of this phenomena, where suddenly wealthy individualist realize socialism isn't so bad after all. At that point it's socialism for them, parsimony for everyone else.



Hey, I put up the shares of the tax burden link up, and haven't heard a peep out of either of you. I should think you'd be happy to find out the wealthy are carrying their end of the log and a good bit of yours too.

The ever-repeating pattern of concentrated wealth and an accompanying unwillingness to pay taxes to sustain the state are characteristics that have preceded most epic collapses in history. Most remarkable, those with the most to lose, the wealthy and powerful, are consistently the least willing to sustain the state.
Oh brother. You'll be glad to learn that this isn't a problem in the US. Herethe rich as defined by the top 20% of households paid 86% of the income tax, 69% of all Fed taxes (including SS and Medicare) while earning 55% of the income.

Obviously, any claims you care to make that the wealthy aren't paying taxes, is laughingly bogus.

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The claim isn't the rich aren't paying taxes.

The real problem is concentration of wealth.

That occurs from an imbalance in bargaining power.

That creates unnecessary suffering and squalor for our fellow citizens - many have families, children, parents, to support.

I find it shocking that you don't acknowledge the problem this represents. Obviously, you just don't care about other people. As Roosevelt said, "it's not just immoral, but it's also bad econonomics."

When wealth is well distributed, people can afford to feed, house, cloth, educate their families. They can more than provide, they can take them on vacations, spend more time with them, you then have a less disfunctional family.

Even more, when wealth is distributed, not only do the poor get richer, but every body get's richer.

And when every body is richer, the Rich do not have to share as much of the tax burden simply because they have all the money - every body bears a little more of the tax burder so the wealthy don't have too.

And regardless as to your statements, I've read in multiple places in the past that Warren Buffet pays about the same amount of tax, perhaps a little less then, his secretary.

I also have a friend who is rich. He lives off of $70k a year, and pays about $700 in federal taxes. That's it. Even he realizes that our system is bad and wrong.

So a more stable society where every body lives better, what's not to like?

Oh, maybe its that you have to share power with lowly people, some of them being brown, black or hispanic. I can see no other reason for embracing regressive economics.

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Uh oh.

I thought I'd engage with offensivetoyou, and it only took him two posts to make it about how I'm a loser.

Thanks buddy. I thought, "I'm going to respond to this guy in good faith"

Then it became about how I'm poor or something.

Fuck off dick. Seriously. Fuck your ass.

@ KingElvis


After all this time you still don't get it.


I quote something from Prof Donald R. McCoy's book, written in 1973, and you responds with

'inconvenient truths' for the GOP mythmakers:

I know damned well you don't have a clue as to the identity of McCoy (Prof. Donald R. McCoy, among other things Fullbright Professor at the University of Bonn in the '50s or '60s) so where do you get off characterizing him that way?


You follow with

See, during WWII...

speaking down, as if to a retarded child


And then, even though, I've parodied you in my response, trying to tell you to stop, you say

the Wall Street vampires


If you want a serious argument, you've got to be serious. People who characterize this administration, or the Israelis, or anybody they don't like as Nazis, racists, chimps, etc. are going to get it back from me in spades.


True, rude slander is coin of the realm in politics. True, everyone does it. But then don't pretend you don't, and don't complain when someone gives you a ration of the same shit.