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The fault line: within each civilization

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These days, there are few who still agree with Sir Bernard Lewis, Samuel Huntington, and those others who treat all Muslims as if they were of one violent sect; who treat Islam as an inherently intolerant belief system. As Huntington once put it, "Some Westerners...have argued that the West does not have a problem with Islam but only with violent Islamist extremists. Fourteen hundred years of history demonstrate otherwise..." The question, however, still stands: what is the way to characterize Muslim beliefs and those who hold them? At issue is finding the best way for the West to approach Islam.

As I see it there is no clash of civilizations but a clash within each civilization; namely, between the moderate people who reject violence (from terrorism against outsiders to imposing their beliefs on their own people) and those who legitimate it. In Christianity, it is the division between those who see Christ as a prince of peace and those who see him as the sword. In Judaism, between rabbis who interpret "an eye for and eye" as a call for compensation and the Jews who interpret the text as a call for revenge. It is a division equally found in secular belief systems, for instance within Socialism between Fabians and Stalinists.

Islam is no different; there are Muslims who see Jihad as a spiritual journey of self development, and those who view it as a war on all infidels. (It takes me fifty pages to fully document this point in my book Security First). However, it is important to note that many of these religious and politically moderate Muslims do not favor the full plethora of human rights and Westminster democracy. Still, they can and do serve as reliable partners in peace, working against terrorism and for curbing the spread of nuclear weapons. In the words of Barak Obama, "If we could win a battle of ideas against the communists, we can stand with the vast majority of Muslims who reject the extremism that leads to hate instead of hope." You will find such Muslims in Turkey, as the majority party (the Justice and Development Party); in Morocco (the Party of Justice and Development); they are the majority of the citizens of Indonesia, Bangladesh and many other Muslims countries.

The May 2008 issue of The Cambridge Review of International Affairs (http://www.cria.org.uk/) includes an exchange by prominent scholars of religion on this thesis: that the majority of Muslims are 'illiberal moderates'--opposed to violence and terrorism, but not necessarily in favor of a secular, liberal democracy--and that the major clash is within each civilization between the warriors and the preachers rather than among civilizations. Many important questions are raised in this exchange, some of which follow:

Some dispute the argument that all religions are equally susceptible to moderate and immoderate interpretations. For instance, Jean Bethke Elshtain of the University Of Chicago writes: "...in the Christian just war tradition, there are criteria through which one must go--barriers, in effect, to the deployment of armed force--you have to justify force; in Islam, you must search for ways to refrain from force."

I am not fully convinced that all of Christianity does not legitimate violence. I will not rehash the complicated question of the role the Church played in Nazi Germany and during various communist regimes, and look merely at the role of the Church during the military dictatorships in Argentina and Chile. Here, the Church unquestionably legitimated the torture, execution and 'disappearances' of hundreds of socialists, liberals, and others because it considered the war against communism to be a holy one.

Also, I am particularly concerned by any implications that 'Islam' is monolithic, subject to one overarching interpretation as being in favor of violence.

Others raise questions about the justification, stability and longevity of any alliances with 'illiberal moderates,' given that there is a lack of fundamental agreement on basic moral principles. Mohammad Fadel of the University of Toronto writes that the only way to justify supporting 'illiberal moderates' is the prospect that, by doing so their views "evolve from merely formal democratic commitments to more principled ones."

I agree with Professor Fadel that in the longer run, merely formal commitments from 'illiberal moderates' will not do. The history of the EU illustrates this point. It was initially founded to ensure that there would be no furthermore wars between Germany and France, but eventually moved to much higher levels of transnational integration. The EU is now facing serious problems in part because, although it formed shared institutions, laws, and regulations, it failed to form a thick enough set of shared values to legitimate these state-like developments and to provide a normative underpinning for their policies involved.

We should neither continue to support authoritarian regimes (such as in Saudi Arabia) nor should we pursue a policy of externally-imposed regime change. We should, as Fadel suggests, favor and support internal changes especially by reformist forces. But, one must keep in mind--if one begins political reforms with free elections, these non-moderate groups are likely to win, leading to a situation where there is one person, one vote, but for one time only. Hence free elections are best preceded by other steps such as rewriting the constitution, freeing of the press, allowing rival parties, and maybe some measure of economic development.

Amitai Etzioni is a professor of international relations at The George Washington University. For more discussion, see Security First (Yale 2007). To contact him, write comnet@gwu.edu. www.securityfirst.com


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These days, there are few who still agree with Sir Bernard Lewis, Samuel Huntington, and those others who treat all Muslims as if they were of one violent sect; who treat Islam as an inherently intolerant belief system.
Few progressives. Among others there are many.

Islam is no different; there are Muslims who see Jihad as a spiritual journey of self development, and those who view it as a war on all infidels...You will find such [moderate] Muslims in Turkey, as the majority party (the Justice and Development Party); in Morocco (the Party of Justice and Development); they are the majority of the citizens of Indonesia, Bangladesh and many other Muslims countries.
But not in the Middle East...and not anywhere when it comes to Israel and the Jews.

I am not fully convinced that all of Christianity does not legitimate violence
You're not? Aside from a few genuine conscientious objectors, and a very large number of hypocrites who are very selective about their objections, I should think it obvious that Christians find violence to be legitimate, both domestically and abroad.

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Mr. Etzioni,
Your treatment of Huntington's words is taken out of context. He is not trying to characterize "all Muslims as if they were of one violent sect."

Huntington's book should be read as a supporting argument for the statement he makes at the end of it about "finding the best way for the West to approach Islam":

Western universalism is dangerous to the world because it could lead to a major inter-civilizational war between core states and it is dangerous to the West because it could lead to the defeat of the West. With collapse of the Soviet Union, Westerners see their civilization in a position of unparalleled dominance, while at the same time weaker Asian, Muslim, and other societies are beginning to gain strength. Hence they could be led to apply the familiar and powerful logic of Brutus: Our legion are brim-ful, our cause is ripe. The enemy increaseth every day; We at the height, are ready to decline. There is a tide in the affairs of men, Which taken at the flood, leads on to fortune; Omitted, all the voyage of their life Is bound in shallows and miseries. On such a full sea are we now afloat, And we must take the current when it serves, Or lose our ventures.

This logic however, produced Brutus's defeat at Philippi, and the prudent course for the West is not to attempt to stop the shift in power but to learn to navigate the shallows, endure the miseries, moderate its ventures, and safeguard its culture.

So Huntington would agree with your remark about externally-imposed regime change but he would also question at what point "reform" efforts become attempts to make other societies into an image of the "West". Huntington reminds us that the neo-conservative view understands itself to be imminently progressive.

AGAIN - nobody wants to talk about the obvious. Jews in America exercise disproportionate influence on every aspect of our political lives... and nobody will speak openly about this nefarious behavior.

I'm so over the holohoax. I am sick of the 3 hanky films - the memorials - the tributes - not to mention the centurians who claim to be 'suhvivahs'

Enough already - the guilt account is overdrawn and I'm not going to war with 1/3 billion Muslims because Israel now wants concentration camps for its dispossessed.

It's bad enough that Jews have been killing these people and their children with impunity since 1948 - but now Americans are hostages to this bunch in ways we aren't even allowed to discuss in polite company.

Journalists lose their jobs if they so much as allude to disproportionate Jewish influence.

I think we should rethink the merits of the Protocols.

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santafe21,
You object to the emphasis placed upon antisemitism
by embracing the logic and arguments that caused antisemitism to become such a powerful political reality.

Don't quit your day job.

@ santafe21


I think we should rethink the merits of the Protocols


Tell us more about their merits. I'm sure you've noticed that most of the morons who post to this site are Jewish. They'll be happy to hear why they're evil, duplicitous, two-faced, cowardly vermin why do not belong in the company of civilized people.

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Maybe what we need is an autodafé for santafe.

Mark Twain's 1904 dig at invoking God and religion in war and prayers of the religious.

"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle -- be Thou near them! With them -- in spirit -- we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe.

O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it -- for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet!

We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen."

Get it?....It works the same everywhere. Christians, Jews, Muslims... no difference. Except for Buddhist maybe.
So any discussion Muslim specific is a pretty much meaningless.
Beside we all know that religious fanatics are usually just useful fools lured in to fight for the more worldy and practical aims of their leaders.

We have more knowledge,but less judgment Age Of Conan gold

@Amitai Your statement "I am not fully convinced that all of Christianity does not legitimate violence.", is, to me anyway, confusing. Why the double negative? Are you being mildly sarcastic, and the "not fully convinced" means that you are not at all convinced? The context of your post seems to indicate the opposite, that you think all of Christianity, I presume you mean the institution of Christianity, not its individual members, attempts to legitimize violence. Does the simpler "I am reasonably convinced that all of Christianity legitimates violence." convey your thought? If so, then I certainly disagree.

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