Edwards' Affair Open Thread
This afternoon, Edwards admitted to ABC News that he'd been carrying on an affair with Rielle Hunter. Sad, strange news. Not quite sure what to make of it. Your thoughts?
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This afternoon, Edwards admitted to ABC News that he'd been carrying on an affair with Rielle Hunter. Sad, strange news. Not quite sure what to make of it. Your thoughts?
BFD!
August 8, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Move along, folks; nothin' to see here.
If you go down the tabloid rabbit hole, the GOP wins. Don't play their game.
Focus instead on the potential damage to the Constitution Addington will do before Bush's term is up.
August 8, 2008 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hear! Hear!
August 8, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is it that McCain can cheat on his wife, divorce her and marry the woman he cheated with and nobody mentions it. I see all these comments about Edwards, who isn't even a candidate for dogcatcher at the moment, and everybody's collapsing in shock. Yet McCain's infidelities are never mentioned.
WHY???????????????????????
You are right that this is not news, it's just invasion of privacy. Edwards is not running for anything, so the Inquirer should be sued for invasion of privacy.
McCain IS running. The whole world should be made aware that he's the serial adulterer who's trying to pretend he's the good guy.
August 9, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I ALWAYS thought he was a phony. I just didn't realize how much of a phony he was. Although the timeline is not quite clear yet, it certainly looks like he sought the nomination KNOWING that he could have had a big problem with this affair.
And how would that have worked out for all us who are practically deranged over eight years of Bush.
What a complete utter jerk.
August 8, 2008 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is there to think about? Political heroes, for the most part, shouldn't be. They accurately reflect the mores or the people they represent.
August 8, 2008 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Glad he didn't come out and endorse Obama early!
August 8, 2008 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
So glad TPM was there to shoot down the NYT's story on McCain's relationship with the lobbyist.
August 8, 2008 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Edwards should have used the moment to break the news like this:
The National Enquirer has alleged that I have had an extramarital affair.
Sadly, I must say that it is true. The fact that other politicians who have come before me (whispers "John McCain" under his breath) have also succumbed to temptation while server long hours away from home, ("John McCain" cough cough), that doesn't excuse me from this unpardonable behavior. ("John McCain").
August 8, 2008 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did John McCain cheat on her wife while abroad?
Break that story for us, will ya?
August 8, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know anything about any McCain affair, other than the one that ended is first marriage.
Personally, I'm saddened to hear about Edwards. The fact that McCain had an affair, in my opinion, isn't grounds for disqualifying him from the Presidency.
I was just making a joke that Edwards could have used his failings as an excuse to very visibly bring up McCain's failings.
August 8, 2008 5:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess he's hoping the Olympics will overshadow the story. As he was the candidate I was backing, I feel like I made a bad pick.
August 8, 2008 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, its his and Elizabeth's private affair , but if you repeatedly lie, even about this, you are unfit to be Attorney General of the United States. And, even if it is not morally disqualifying as I'm sure most of you will argue, President Obama should not spend one ounce of precious political capital trying to push an Edwards' nomination through a Srenate that will not confirm him. I cannot beleive there is not a single pro-consumer, pro small investor, pro- equal rights, pro- civil liberties Democratic lawyer who would not serve equally well as an untainted Edwards would have, and who, unlike him, will be confirmable easily.
August 8, 2008 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would rather people lie about their private lives than lie about public policy. This is nobody's business, not your's and not mine. If he lies to shitheels from the National Enquirer and to worthless paranoics like Mickey Kaus about his sex life, I say more power to him. The Enquirer and Mickey Kaus need to get their sex-obsessed filthy little pervert minds out of the bedrooms and into the boardrooms and policy making rooms.
I am so sick to death of this crap derailing decent people while the lies that kill people are ignored.
August 8, 2008 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I totally agree with Oregon Activist! I am tired of americans acting like such moral prudes, so "holier-than-thou" about everything.
August 8, 2008 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess the only thing that jumps to my mind is there goes any chance he had of being Obama's VP choice. Other than that I really have nothing else about the specifics. I agree very tabloidish...but then again that is now the nature of the MSM.
August 8, 2008 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
If only it had been a gay affair Edwards could have defected to the Republicans . . .
August 8, 2008 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed - if Edwards were already a RethugliKKKan, we'd be treated to an endless stream of sycophantic surrogates in the media pleading for "Christian understanding" of this man's failings.
Gah, their hypocrisy knows no bounds!
August 8, 2008 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
This makes me reminisce about the Clinton administration. The world was a better place when we only had to worry about our politicians lying about their sex lives.
August 8, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is more important than the Russian invasion of Georgia.
August 8, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right you are Rotwang!
After all, Edwards' affair has the possibility of impacting our lives for years to come! And a war between Russia and Georgia? Not so much.
August 8, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sheesh, oleeb... Edwards is from North Carolina not Georgia!
And Rotwang... if everyone had a perfect mechanical Maria, this would NEVER happen. So get to work!
August 8, 2008 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not like Edwards was running on some "family values" bullshit platform [*COUGH* Larry Craig, David Vitter, Mark Foley *COUGH*] so what's the BFD? He does not hold office, so aside from prurient curiosity and scolding wags, who the f*ck cares?
His own personal issues, people - even quasi-public figures have them. Perfect example of why putting someone on a pedestal is a piss-poor idea - ESPECIALLY if said person is a politician!
I still believe deeply in his anti-poverty work, he was my candidate of choice and I would vote for him ANY TIME in the future were I lucky enough to have an opportunity to do so.
August 8, 2008 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a former Edwards supporter I feel quite relieved that we lost that one. Something else here that us former supporters should consider and that is there were fair indications out there that he was indeed having an affair with "that woman" last winter. That video of him relaxing and joking with her that he posted on his own web site should have rung the alarm bells. I know I ignored that but others pointed out that there was something fishy going on.
I happen to believe that ones private sex life should not be the publics business, but I am afraid that we should just admit that that is not true for our candidates for President. The rest of the country does not play by our rules.
August 8, 2008 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Politicians, take heed. FU 101: Confess early, often and loudly.
If Edwards had fessed up at the beginning of the campaign, by this point who would still care? As it is, you gotta wonder about his chutzpah/common sense - what, he thought no one was gonna get the goodies on this until Nov?
August 8, 2008 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Clinton committed adultery, Edwards committed adultery, McCain committed adultery. Congrats to Barack and Michelle, the last ones standing.
August 8, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Edwards must have kept his visit with his former mistress and her baby a secret from Elizabeth because she wouldn't believe he had perfectly honorable reasons why he would visit his fomer mistress and her baby, which isn't his.
Breasts make men stupid.
August 8, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Edwards spent most of the period after the 2004 election until his withdrawal this past Spring from the Presidential campaign. After more than three years of running AGAINST his own Senate record the least of my concerns is if he was getting "nekkid" with a woman who was not his wife.
He'll have to deal with Elizabeth, not me. I am disappointed, but such is life.
August 8, 2008 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
McCain's entire career is based on his adultry:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html
Okay. I get it. Edwards, who is not in office and was already no longer running for anything, has reached the end of his political career.
But John McCain, who is in office and is running for something, well, his entire career has been based on his adultry. Had affair with younger/prettier/richer Cindy while still married to Carol (who had stood by him when he was POW, raised the kids, was in accident and disfigured and had gained weight).
Feh.
August 8, 2008 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do we, and does the nation, have no more important or pressing business than this? This tawdry affair is now going to dominate the media for at least a couple of days because it is sooo much easier for us to talk about personal behavior and to chew on it as opposed to giving some serious thought about the massive problems our nation faces. After all, there are only a few million people who will lose their homes in the coming year to the mortgage crisis, Russian troops are fighting on Georgian soil today and there is a movement afoot to impeach Musharaff in Pakistan that could lead to that nuclear power becoming destabilized (just to mention a couple of uninteresting and only mildly newsworthy items).
Whether it is Edwards or any other "public figure" this is private business that is none of ours. America must grow up and move beyond this trivia. "He lied as a Presidential candidate." BFD! Didn't we resolve the idiocy of this sort of thing when, like most people Clinton lied about his affair with Monica Lewinsky? What a bunch of meaningless crap this is!
Had our media and culture always been driven by such empty and shallow subject matter Jefferson, FDR, JFK and God only knows how many others would never have become the great figures and leaders they were. Is it wise in a time that is producing fewer such figures to maintain public floggings and professional decapitations for this sort of commonplace behavior which breaks no law and rarely, becomes "newsworthy" for people in professions other than politics or entertainment? Craig, Vittert, Foley and Spitzer's situations all were very different than this run of the mill infidelity. If Edwards were not a politician he could have had a thousand such affairs and it wouldn't get even the slightest rise out of any editor anywhere. Just because he is a public figure doesn't mean that this is of any public importance whatsoever.
Perhaps if this culture of gossip must be, then we should start demanding that the media relentlessly hound television and high profile NYT, LAT, and Washington Post reporters' private lives particularly as it pertains to their sexual life and their extramarital affairs? And why not? They are public figures after all aren;t they? Why shouldn't we know every tawdry detail of their sex lives and every personal indiscretion and mistake in their marriages?
This is sickening stuff. It's tawdry and sad for the Edwards', but it is even more so and says far more about us and our shallow, hypocritical, bankrupt, vapid culture than anything else as far as I'm concerned.
August 8, 2008 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
When I hear news like this about a Dem leader I can practically hear and see the drool coming from the mouths of the bobble-heads...
And I realize that I won't be able to bring myself to watch the Cable news for the next couple of days because this will be all they go on about 24/7...
What good is press freedom, when the Corporate media is so stupid and clueless?
August 8, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
The writer of this blog post isn't "quite sure what to make of" Edwards' affair.
But those in the left were damn "sure" to make fun of Larry Craig for rubbing his feet against another man's.
They sure knew what to make of David Vitter's infidelity scandal.
Let's crack jokes about Edwards. How's that?
August 8, 2008 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Craig was caught in and pled guilty to an act of illegal public solicitation of oral sex from another man (who happened to be a policeman on duty).
Vittert was caught employing prostitutes in Washington and back in his home state. The revelation made it clear that hiring prostitutes was a regular part of his life.
Both of these men based their political reputations on a foundation of wearing their fundamentalist/conservative Christianity on their sleeves, bemoaning the corruption of our national morals, the undermining of "family values" by public figures, condemning sex outside of marriage, etc... There is hardly any parrallel between their situations and this.
Having said that, I've no doubt the jokes will follow as they always do.
August 8, 2008 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
As I watch Wolf Blitzer talk about what a great "shock" this news is, I can't help but wonder how long the press has already known.
Remember Gary Hart. The press knew but didn't report his trysts with Donna Rice.
August 8, 2008 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
CBS Blog had a post around 2006 about a shocking rumor of marital infidelity (actually, I don't even remember if they said that much). In the comments, through process of elimination, I pretty much figured out it had to be Edwards b/c all the Republican frontrunners had married their mistresses and/or admited to philandering, Hillary would be cheered, and though Obama would be shocking, since Dems are either wooden or "slick" philanderers, it had to be Edwards.
I have no doubt that was the "bombshell" slinking around then. Hard to have a conniption when the entire Republican field has admitted to adultery.
August 8, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Marital infidelity is not shocking. What shocks me is the infantilism of the American public and their priggishness about other people's sex. It's hypocrisy because Americans are having lots of sex and are being plenty creative in their fetishes and the like, but still get all bluenosed and priggish when it comes to politicians having sex.
Honestly, if we could have a decent president who put the interests of the American people above his party and his oil cronies, I don't care if he fucks inflatable dolls.
August 8, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
But it isn't really the public now is it?
The public is only eating what was on the plate they're being served. It's been so long since they've been served anything else they don't even remember what else they could be eating!
It is the corporate media who, as you may recall, focused like a laser beam all throughout the summer of 2000 on Chandra Levy and had nothing to say about terrorism or anything else that sets the priggish, hypocritical tone. I would love to know how many of the people who will yammer on and on about this on tv over the next 72 hours have fucked someone they weren't married to, produced illegitimate children, lied about those affairs to their families, friends, employees, and employers? This really is a massive national embarassment and the corporate media are responsible for it in the end.
Yes, the public focuses on it, but our public is now little better than 200 million Pavlov's Dogs responding to the stimuli it has been trained to respond to. It looks for and enjoys the menu it has been offered and does not look beyond because for all it knows there are no other possibilities and that everyone everywhere gets the same menu of gossip, trivia, and useless sensationalism. It is bread and circuses friends and we are the people of Rome.
August 8, 2008 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right you are. Plus the inflatible dolls don't go on teevee and blab your business.
August 8, 2008 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank god he's not the nominee.
August 8, 2008 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is "disappointing" to say the least. You can say whatever you like about this being a private matter but it isn't when it relates to someone who might have been one of only two people running to be president and the only one running with any sense of America as something to build upon rather than scavenge and dismantle. If Edwards had been the Democratic nominee in all likelihood this news would give the presidency to the wacko McCain and further the damage to America a Republican president represents.
Edwards was by far my favorite choice for president. I never cared for Obama (hope a dope) and I saw Clinton as more of Clinton - Republican lite. But in fact Edwards was as much a snake oil salesman as Obama. I remember when he and his wife announced that she had cancer and that they had decided together that he would continue to run for president. I could understand his continuing to run but I was sickened by what looked to me as his attempt to use her personal tragedy as a boost for his then failing campaign. Consider now that he was cheating on his wife and obviously cheating on his supporters in trying to get their support, through his wife.
Much as with Eliot Spitzer, we can't be easy on these people that hold our hopes for a better and fairer future in their hands and in our support. We deserve better consideration. It's not just between them and their significant others. When they ask for our support then we deserve to have that support be safe and not open to petty disaster. If an airplane pilot crashes a plane because he has periodic blackouts that he kept hidden, should we accept that? If not, then why accept a known potential (and likely) political disaster as none of our business? If they're weak then they shouldn't deceive us. When they do we should discard them as quickly as possible. That the Republicans can do these sexual hypocrisies is a problem with the control of the public dialog, something which Democrats don't seem to care to deal with. Certainly not on the level Republicans do.
August 8, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink