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Edwards' Affair Open Thread

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This afternoon, Edwards admitted to ABC News that he'd been carrying on an affair with Rielle Hunter. Sad, strange news. Not quite sure what to make of it. Your thoughts?


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BFD!

Move along, folks; nothin' to see here.
If you go down the tabloid rabbit hole, the GOP wins. Don't play their game.
Focus instead on the potential damage to the Constitution Addington will do before Bush's term is up.

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Hear! Hear!

Why is it that McCain can cheat on his wife, divorce her and marry the woman he cheated with and nobody mentions it. I see all these comments about Edwards, who isn't even a candidate for dogcatcher at the moment, and everybody's collapsing in shock. Yet McCain's infidelities are never mentioned.

WHY???????????????????????

You are right that this is not news, it's just invasion of privacy. Edwards is not running for anything, so the Inquirer should be sued for invasion of privacy.

McCain IS running. The whole world should be made aware that he's the serial adulterer who's trying to pretend he's the good guy.

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I ALWAYS thought he was a phony. I just didn't realize how much of a phony he was. Although the timeline is not quite clear yet, it certainly looks like he sought the nomination KNOWING that he could have had a big problem with this affair.

And how would that have worked out for all us who are practically deranged over eight years of Bush.


What a complete utter jerk.

What is there to think about? Political heroes, for the most part, shouldn't be. They accurately reflect the mores or the people they represent.

Glad he didn't come out and endorse Obama early!

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So glad TPM was there to shoot down the NYT's story on McCain's relationship with the lobbyist.

I think Edwards should have used the moment to break the news like this:

The National Enquirer has alleged that I have had an extramarital affair.

Sadly, I must say that it is true. The fact that other politicians who have come before me (whispers "John McCain" under his breath) have also succumbed to temptation while server long hours away from home, ("John McCain" cough cough), that doesn't excuse me from this unpardonable behavior. ("John McCain").

Did John McCain cheat on her wife while abroad?
Break that story for us, will ya?

I don't know anything about any McCain affair, other than the one that ended is first marriage.

Personally, I'm saddened to hear about Edwards. The fact that McCain had an affair, in my opinion, isn't grounds for disqualifying him from the Presidency.

I was just making a joke that Edwards could have used his failings as an excuse to very visibly bring up McCain's failings.

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I guess he's hoping the Olympics will overshadow the story. As he was the candidate I was backing, I feel like I made a bad pick.

Yes, its his and Elizabeth's private affair , but if you repeatedly lie, even about this, you are unfit to be Attorney General of the United States. And, even if it is not morally disqualifying as I'm sure most of you will argue, President Obama should not spend one ounce of precious political capital trying to push an Edwards' nomination through a Srenate that will not confirm him. I cannot beleive there is not a single pro-consumer, pro small investor, pro- equal rights, pro- civil liberties Democratic lawyer who would not serve equally well as an untainted Edwards would have, and who, unlike him, will be confirmable easily.

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I would rather people lie about their private lives than lie about public policy. This is nobody's business, not your's and not mine. If he lies to shitheels from the National Enquirer and to worthless paranoics like Mickey Kaus about his sex life, I say more power to him. The Enquirer and Mickey Kaus need to get their sex-obsessed filthy little pervert minds out of the bedrooms and into the boardrooms and policy making rooms.

I am so sick to death of this crap derailing decent people while the lies that kill people are ignored.

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I totally agree with Oregon Activist! I am tired of americans acting like such moral prudes, so "holier-than-thou" about everything.

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I guess the only thing that jumps to my mind is there goes any chance he had of being Obama's VP choice. Other than that I really have nothing else about the specifics. I agree very tabloidish...but then again that is now the nature of the MSM.

If only it had been a gay affair Edwards could have defected to the Republicans . . .

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Indeed - if Edwards were already a RethugliKKKan, we'd be treated to an endless stream of sycophantic surrogates in the media pleading for "Christian understanding" of this man's failings.

Gah, their hypocrisy knows no bounds!

This makes me reminisce about the Clinton administration. The world was a better place when we only had to worry about our politicians lying about their sex lives.

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This is more important than the Russian invasion of Georgia.

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Right you are Rotwang!

After all, Edwards' affair has the possibility of impacting our lives for years to come! And a war between Russia and Georgia? Not so much.

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Sheesh, oleeb... Edwards is from North Carolina not Georgia!

And Rotwang... if everyone had a perfect mechanical Maria, this would NEVER happen. So get to work!

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Not like Edwards was running on some "family values" bullshit platform [*COUGH* Larry Craig, David Vitter, Mark Foley *COUGH*] so what's the BFD? He does not hold office, so aside from prurient curiosity and scolding wags, who the f*ck cares?

His own personal issues, people - even quasi-public figures have them. Perfect example of why putting someone on a pedestal is a piss-poor idea - ESPECIALLY if said person is a politician!

I still believe deeply in his anti-poverty work, he was my candidate of choice and I would vote for him ANY TIME in the future were I lucky enough to have an opportunity to do so.

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As a former Edwards supporter I feel quite relieved that we lost that one. Something else here that us former supporters should consider and that is there were fair indications out there that he was indeed having an affair with "that woman" last winter. That video of him relaxing and joking with her that he posted on his own web site should have rung the alarm bells. I know I ignored that but others pointed out that there was something fishy going on.

I happen to believe that ones private sex life should not be the publics business, but I am afraid that we should just admit that that is not true for our candidates for President. The rest of the country does not play by our rules.

Politicians, take heed. FU 101: Confess early, often and loudly.

If Edwards had fessed up at the beginning of the campaign, by this point who would still care? As it is, you gotta wonder about his chutzpah/common sense - what, he thought no one was gonna get the goodies on this until Nov?

Clinton committed adultery, Edwards committed adultery, McCain committed adultery. Congrats to Barack and Michelle, the last ones standing.

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Edwards must have kept his visit with his former mistress and her baby a secret from Elizabeth because she wouldn't believe he had perfectly honorable reasons why he would visit his fomer mistress and her baby, which isn't his.

Breasts make men stupid.

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Edwards spent most of the period after the 2004 election until his withdrawal this past Spring from the Presidential campaign. After more than three years of running AGAINST his own Senate record the least of my concerns is if he was getting "nekkid" with a woman who was not his wife.

He'll have to deal with Elizabeth, not me. I am disappointed, but such is life.

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McCain's entire career is based on his adultry:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

Okay. I get it. Edwards, who is not in office and was already no longer running for anything, has reached the end of his political career.

But John McCain, who is in office and is running for something, well, his entire career has been based on his adultry. Had affair with younger/prettier/richer Cindy while still married to Carol (who had stood by him when he was POW, raised the kids, was in accident and disfigured and had gained weight).

Feh.

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Do we, and does the nation, have no more important or pressing business than this? This tawdry affair is now going to dominate the media for at least a couple of days because it is sooo much easier for us to talk about personal behavior and to chew on it as opposed to giving some serious thought about the massive problems our nation faces. After all, there are only a few million people who will lose their homes in the coming year to the mortgage crisis, Russian troops are fighting on Georgian soil today and there is a movement afoot to impeach Musharaff in Pakistan that could lead to that nuclear power becoming destabilized (just to mention a couple of uninteresting and only mildly newsworthy items).

Whether it is Edwards or any other "public figure" this is private business that is none of ours. America must grow up and move beyond this trivia. "He lied as a Presidential candidate." BFD! Didn't we resolve the idiocy of this sort of thing when, like most people Clinton lied about his affair with Monica Lewinsky? What a bunch of meaningless crap this is!

Had our media and culture always been driven by such empty and shallow subject matter Jefferson, FDR, JFK and God only knows how many others would never have become the great figures and leaders they were. Is it wise in a time that is producing fewer such figures to maintain public floggings and professional decapitations for this sort of commonplace behavior which breaks no law and rarely, becomes "newsworthy" for people in professions other than politics or entertainment? Craig, Vittert, Foley and Spitzer's situations all were very different than this run of the mill infidelity. If Edwards were not a politician he could have had a thousand such affairs and it wouldn't get even the slightest rise out of any editor anywhere. Just because he is a public figure doesn't mean that this is of any public importance whatsoever.

Perhaps if this culture of gossip must be, then we should start demanding that the media relentlessly hound television and high profile NYT, LAT, and Washington Post reporters' private lives particularly as it pertains to their sexual life and their extramarital affairs? And why not? They are public figures after all aren;t they? Why shouldn't we know every tawdry detail of their sex lives and every personal indiscretion and mistake in their marriages?

This is sickening stuff. It's tawdry and sad for the Edwards', but it is even more so and says far more about us and our shallow, hypocritical, bankrupt, vapid culture than anything else as far as I'm concerned.

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When I hear news like this about a Dem leader I can practically hear and see the drool coming from the mouths of the bobble-heads...

And I realize that I won't be able to bring myself to watch the Cable news for the next couple of days because this will be all they go on about 24/7...

What good is press freedom, when the Corporate media is so stupid and clueless?

The writer of this blog post isn't "quite sure what to make of" Edwards' affair.

But those in the left were damn "sure" to make fun of Larry Craig for rubbing his feet against another man's.

They sure knew what to make of David Vitter's infidelity scandal.

Let's crack jokes about Edwards. How's that?

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Craig was caught in and pled guilty to an act of illegal public solicitation of oral sex from another man (who happened to be a policeman on duty).

Vittert was caught employing prostitutes in Washington and back in his home state. The revelation made it clear that hiring prostitutes was a regular part of his life.

Both of these men based their political reputations on a foundation of wearing their fundamentalist/conservative Christianity on their sleeves, bemoaning the corruption of our national morals, the undermining of "family values" by public figures, condemning sex outside of marriage, etc... There is hardly any parrallel between their situations and this.

Having said that, I've no doubt the jokes will follow as they always do.

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As I watch Wolf Blitzer talk about what a great "shock" this news is, I can't help but wonder how long the press has already known.

Remember Gary Hart. The press knew but didn't report his trysts with Donna Rice.

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CBS Blog had a post around 2006 about a shocking rumor of marital infidelity (actually, I don't even remember if they said that much). In the comments, through process of elimination, I pretty much figured out it had to be Edwards b/c all the Republican frontrunners had married their mistresses and/or admited to philandering, Hillary would be cheered, and though Obama would be shocking, since Dems are either wooden or "slick" philanderers, it had to be Edwards.

I have no doubt that was the "bombshell" slinking around then. Hard to have a conniption when the entire Republican field has admitted to adultery.

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Marital infidelity is not shocking. What shocks me is the infantilism of the American public and their priggishness about other people's sex. It's hypocrisy because Americans are having lots of sex and are being plenty creative in their fetishes and the like, but still get all bluenosed and priggish when it comes to politicians having sex.

Honestly, if we could have a decent president who put the interests of the American people above his party and his oil cronies, I don't care if he fucks inflatable dolls.

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But it isn't really the public now is it?

The public is only eating what was on the plate they're being served. It's been so long since they've been served anything else they don't even remember what else they could be eating!

It is the corporate media who, as you may recall, focused like a laser beam all throughout the summer of 2000 on Chandra Levy and had nothing to say about terrorism or anything else that sets the priggish, hypocritical tone. I would love to know how many of the people who will yammer on and on about this on tv over the next 72 hours have fucked someone they weren't married to, produced illegitimate children, lied about those affairs to their families, friends, employees, and employers? This really is a massive national embarassment and the corporate media are responsible for it in the end.

Yes, the public focuses on it, but our public is now little better than 200 million Pavlov's Dogs responding to the stimuli it has been trained to respond to. It looks for and enjoys the menu it has been offered and does not look beyond because for all it knows there are no other possibilities and that everyone everywhere gets the same menu of gossip, trivia, and useless sensationalism. It is bread and circuses friends and we are the people of Rome.

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Right you are. Plus the inflatible dolls don't go on teevee and blab your business.

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Thank god he's not the nominee.

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This is "disappointing" to say the least. You can say whatever you like about this being a private matter but it isn't when it relates to someone who might have been one of only two people running to be president and the only one running with any sense of America as something to build upon rather than scavenge and dismantle. If Edwards had been the Democratic nominee in all likelihood this news would give the presidency to the wacko McCain and further the damage to America a Republican president represents.

Edwards was by far my favorite choice for president. I never cared for Obama (hope a dope) and I saw Clinton as more of Clinton - Republican lite. But in fact Edwards was as much a snake oil salesman as Obama. I remember when he and his wife announced that she had cancer and that they had decided together that he would continue to run for president. I could understand his continuing to run but I was sickened by what looked to me as his attempt to use her personal tragedy as a boost for his then failing campaign. Consider now that he was cheating on his wife and obviously cheating on his supporters in trying to get their support, through his wife.

Much as with Eliot Spitzer, we can't be easy on these people that hold our hopes for a better and fairer future in their hands and in our support. We deserve better consideration. It's not just between them and their significant others. When they ask for our support then we deserve to have that support be safe and not open to petty disaster. If an airplane pilot crashes a plane because he has periodic blackouts that he kept hidden, should we accept that? If not, then why accept a known potential (and likely) political disaster as none of our business? If they're weak then they shouldn't deceive us. When they do we should discard them as quickly as possible. That the Republicans can do these sexual hypocrisies is a problem with the control of the public dialog, something which Democrats don't seem to care to deal with. Certainly not on the level Republicans do.

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Considering the high number of Americans who admit to infidelity in confidential surveys, I think you need more realistic expectations.

I don't think the affair would derail his election if he were the nominee. It's the media - who make me think of anti-porn activists in that you know the only reason they join is so they can watch porn.

The public was better than the media on Lewinsky. They have never held McCain's infidelity against him, or Dole's for that matter, or Newt's. Newt's a serial adulturer and was seriously considering the presidency. No, it's the reaction of scared Democrats saying bad, bad, bad that gives this any weight and if you all just said, who cares, next topic, it would go away.

In some ways, I wish he were the VP choice because the public needs to once and for all prove to the media that they are more mature and have better sense that the beltway blowhards.

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"it's the reaction of scared Democrats"

Word!

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Is this thread necessary? We're getting inundated with this story on TV, enough already!

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I'm disappointed but still sure that he, of the Democratic hopefuls, would have made the best president.

Also, his sex life is none of our business.

And, finally... if the guy was going to have an affair, having it with the woman who was the inspiration for Allison Poole in both Jay McInerney and Bret Easton Ellis novels is, well... that's pretty cool.

It could be worse. He could have admited being on Sen. Craig's list.

We shouldn't be quick to judge someone whom we haven't gone thru their life's experiences and the circumstances he was in.
Let's face it, the male sex drive is harder to control than the female sex drive. There's more "sex scandals" concerning men than women, right?

This has nothing to do with his ability to help people. He's done a lot of good in his life.
Personally I think one's sexual escapades is no one's business outside of the family.
So let's not smear his and his lovely wife's life.
Let's dwell on solving our problems.
I hope he still speaks at the convention.
He's a good man - His hair proves it!! (a little humor)

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Dick Cheney and the CIA fabricated documents to justify the invasion of Iraq.

Cheney proposed that Navy Seals pose as Iranians and attack the US Navy to justify war with Iran

The republicans have poured $3,000,000,000,000.00 down the drain that is Iraq. Up to 1,200,000 people have died since the US invasion.

Edwards who?

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Now, now, Mister Cassidy, lets not bring important issues into this.

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Well, sure. But that's not the way humans operate; if it were, we wouldn't be in the fix we are now in. Especially not how America operates. I don't give a toss about the affair. I do care that a major political figure thought that he could get away with it -- in the current American cultural climate -- AND run for president. Talk about having it all.

Unfortunately, in this country, people cannot separate a politician's private life from his public life. Europeans are light years ahead in their ability to do this. Just read the Vanity Fair piece on Carla Bruni-Sarkozy, and you will struck by the fact that what happened in France politically could never happen here.
I do not condone Edwards' behavior, and believe that he should have been smart enough to realize that it would be a huge scandal. But in an ideal world, it should be between him and his wife and family. This country unfortunately is far too puritanical
in its thinking.
And truly, as stated in the post above, the multitude of atrocities committed by this administration- from torture, war, the destruction of the environment, the lies and scandals too numerous to count- deserve far more attention than a politician and his extramarital affair.

I agree completely.



What does it say that America is tonight so convulsed about Edwards? Prurience rules.

Olbermann reported tonight that Suskind's book says there is a torture dungeon in the White House.

Why is everyone so convulsed in this paroxysm about Edwards? We've been rescued from any impulse to take him seriously. By the National Enquirer. Who'd have thunk?

I'm amazed that after reading 200+ comments that no one is disturbed that Edwards could very well be the father of this kid, yet if he is, then he is essentially abandoning this kid -- trying to claim he isn't the dad! There are too many unanswered questions --- if he's not the dad, then why is his friend giving her $15k per month and why was she paid $100,000+ for a very amateurish video job that any student could've done better for far cheaper? Yes, I know he denies being the father, but he has been denying this affair for over a year. Sorry, but I won't believe him until the paternity test is in.

If he is indeed the father, then I will lose ALL respect for him!! There are too many men getting women pregnant and then abandoning these women leaving them to raise their kids as single moms. Politicians should take their leadership roles more seriously. Yes, everyone makes mistakes, but one needs to be able to take responsibility for them when they happen. I don't really care about the affair, but I DO care about IF he is shirking his parental duties by denying that he is the dad.

I was never an Edwards supporter (I was and still am a Hillary supporter), but I find it unbelievable that he ran for POTUS knowing & denying his secret and thinking that it would've never been discovered under the microscopic scrutiny of a presidential campaign had he been the nominee. Edwards is plenty young enough to have run in 4-8 years. He could've taken some time off to deal with this personal matter with his family and run again when he was ready for the job. Obviously patience is not one of his virtues ;-)

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What business of yours or mine is any of this Laurel? It isn't.

Laurel:
You raise a good point about the child abandonment issue, although Ms. Hunter's child will at least be getting handsome support, a fine education, etc.. But, as you say, many women are not so fortunate.

Nonetheless, right now we seem to be focused only on the issue of marital infidelity, the only things that differentiate Bill Clinton/John Edwards from Everyman, and Hillary Clinton/Elizabeth Edwards from Everywoman, are: the degree of public exposure and the kind of price to be paid.

IMO, until men admit that their sex drive is something over which they can exercise some control -- that it is not, in fact, "a biological imperative" -- well, until then, it is predictable that many men will cheat.(as will some women -- but that's a different story.)

The odds, until then, are that married women, or women in long-term relationships, may expect infidelity. And the only question becomes, what kind: chronic womanizing? The Younger Woman? Switching teams? Or, more recently, phone sex and/or a complete addiction to internet porn? (yes, that, too, from a woman's point of view, is a form of infidelity, in that her partner is having a remarkably active sex life by which her own is short-changed.)

Never mind. We're focussing on the Edwards. And because the script for infidelity and its aftermath in long-term marriages or relationships makes no exceptions for being a person with a high profile, the plot goes like this:

Act I: man's infidelity is inadvertently discovered; or man tires of subterfuge and invites discovery by leaving a trail of clues; woman accuses; man lies; woman doesn't buy it; man confesses; many unpleasant and sometimes poignant scenes ensue.

Intermission: couple separates, lawyers are consulted and living expenses go through the roof; or, a time out is created via separate vacations, alternating schedules, and occupation of separate parts of the house. Either way, initial hurt as well as tempers cool; eventually, dialogue occurs.

Act II: Man is sincerely, if temporarly, contrite and offers "anything you want, Darling" recompense package to prove he is a fellow who can make amends. Woman considers realistic options, having already considered, and rejected, homocide and/or Bobbitting. A woman is a practical creatures: if young, or guided by the Old Testament, she may have a revenge affair; if middle-aged, she may opt for either: a)plastic surgery and liposuction so that her odds improve for having a revenge affair; or b) she may settle for something materialistic -- a new house, whatever. But -- and here is where Hillary and Elizabeth come into the picture -- if she is mature in spirit, if she can see the emptiness of either revenge, or materialistic payback, then she may ask for a commitment from the man that he will apply his excess energy, henceforth, to a cause that is important to the woman.

Finale: Bill Clinton does everything in his power to get Hillary elected to the Senate; he then removes himself to the relative obscurity of his Harlem offices and to junkets around the world. Hillary, for the first time, becomes the more public figure of the two. However, because Bill is a repeat marital offender, he is then called upon to do everything in his power (or so he says) to help Hillary in a second campaign, this time as the Democratic nominee for POTUS.

Meanwhile, in parallel fashion, John Edwards runs for the Democratic nomination, explicitly and repeatedly emphasizing the need to eliminate poverty and provide universal health care. Having established those priorities as central to the Democratic platform, he drops out of the race surprisingly early into obscurity, while Elizabeth picks up his mantle and continues to promote both programs that were important to her on her own.

All parties feel their private experience has been converted to public good. The relationship has been repaired with the glue of common cause. Curtain call and wild applause anticipated.

Then something unforeseen -- loss of the nomination, or press exposure-- occurs, and all was for naught in terms of the marital exchange.
Sad, this. But none of our business -- IF the causes we hold dear are not put at risk by obfuscation.

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Oh sure. Edwards is telling the truth THIS time.

Look people, at some point there will have to be a clarity around role models and heroes. Either hide their flaws, or accept the idea that there is no person that can be torn down in some way. That requires the killing of idealism.

Take your pick.

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I'm with you.

I'm really sick of this whole thing and I think it was in very poor taste to send his wife out to publicly plead for him and their "privacy" which is as big a crock of shit as it would be coming out of the mouths of Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt.

The Edwards are public personages and John knew that if he got caught this would be a public issue. What I cannot forgive is that they both knew this and he ran anyway.

Unbelievaby narcissistic - if he was the nominee we would be well and truly fucked and after the last 8 years I cannot forgive that.

Shame on both of them. People who run for the presidency do not have private lives and they both know that.

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I'm with you HTena. What is it about these southern boys?

I really don't care what "the others" have done. Isn't that the point? We want a change for the better!!

Edwards made his choice while running for president, and knew what could happen if it came out. Frankly, given history, I don't know how he could have thought it WOULDN'T come out.

I sent him hard-earned money for a campaign that he was dangling over a cliff. Goodness knows what he would have done with my vote.

I'm glad he's out of the picture. We need a president with good leadership qualities, and GOOD JUDGMENT. He clearly doesn't possess those qualities.

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I liked Edwards until I watched the interview.

Then the key question for me was

"Why isn't your wife Elizabeth here with you."

(the interview took place in their home so it would not have been inconvenient). Nowhere in his reply does he convey solicitude for her. It's about HIM.

"I don't need somebody - uh I don't need a shield." I thought he should say "I would not want to put her through this ordeal [or more correctly, ] this shame"

Instead he implicates her in the deception. She knew when he announced for president that there was this cloud hanging over the campaign, at least that's his story.

In Mrs. Edwards' response to the interview she does stand by him but she uses the term "shame."

There is shame for his supporters too, not so much for the affair but for being so stupid.

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To clarifyb I meant 'for his being so stupid.'

I did not mean to suggest that his supporters were stupid. I thought he was the best candidate in the early days.

Russia's landing Spetnaz on the Black Sea coast and this is all TMPC can offer?

Time to scamper out of the rabbit hole folks! Prurient interests in the frailities of great people has it backwards. The point should be that there is no messiah-like person, and that even the greatest have feet of clay like the rest of us. Suspicion should be had of those who present themselves as without such foibles, as they feel justified in throwing stones.

They were were fools to think this might not blow a huge hole in his political aspirations -- and those of other Dems. Imagine if Obama had picked him for VP and this surfaced. His stupidity aside, it's hard to believe Elizabeth allowed this political charade to continue.

Again, McCain gets confused......about Georgia.... Sen Liebermann to the rescue, "uh...Senator, whisper whisper whisper...".........oh, the soveriegn country of Georgia, I get it now.....I'm John McCain and I approve of this gaffe....

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