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Actively Engage the Middle Class on Energy Conservation

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All the recent talk of tire gauges and energy plans had me thinking this morning about one of my greatest disappointments with the current administration. True, the list of disappointments is very long - epic, even - but one in particular has come to mind this week. In the days immediately following September 11th, our country was united in a way that we had never been in my brief lifetime, and will probably never be again. Our country, at that moment - and I can only speak for myself here - felt as if it was ready to do whatever was asked of it going forward to make sure that what had happened would never again happen, and that some measure of justice would be achieved.

That moment, particularly from the perspective of someone in my generation, was a huge inflection point in our lives. It felt like - and indeed was for many - a fork in the road. And it was the moment when the President and the leadership of our country should have stepped forward with a plan that would have allowed us all to take an active part, however small that part might have been, in placing ourselves and our country in a stronger, more secure position in the world. Instead of a plan, though, we were asked to pay fewer taxes and shop more. And here we are, almost seven years later, with $4.00+ gasoline and an unprecedented consumer debt level (not to mention the banks, the record deficit, the national debt, the cost of two wars, etc., ugh).

This has been written about recently with regards to Al Gore's spirited "Moonshot" speech on energy independence, but I also think that it is worth looking at through the lens of the current campaign. I saw in the last day or so a pundit mention that neither Obama nor McCain were really asking American voters to do anything that might cause them any pain, because it might cost them votes in November (and I apologize for not being able to relocate the video - I'll update if/when I find it or if a commenter can recall the clip to which I refer). I think the pundit is correct in her assessment of the candidates at this moment, and I think both campaigns are wrong for not being more aggressive on this issue.*

This global energy crisis is real - China, India, and the rest of the developing nations are not going to cut back on their energy demand any time soon - and it has affected and will continue to affect those in the middle and disadvantaged classes more than the privileged, simply based on the substantially higher proportion of real income needed to pay for food and fuel for those on the lower end of the income scale. This is a regressive problem to a large extent, and those most affected need to be actively engaged by the next administration in a way that will get them involved in solving it successfully.

I'm not sure that anyone is under any illusions at this point that substantially reducing our dependence on foreign oil is going to be a painless process. Americans will be much better off dealing with these difficulties actively than passively, and in a way that gives us some feeling of control over the ways in which we are affected. More importantly, active engagement gives us some tangible control over the ways in which we are affecting some positive change, however small. Maintaining a healthy morale if at all possible during this process will be crucial to our success.

Running "a Google" (heh.) of "conserve energy what you can do" brings up about 348,000 hits. It is vital that Americans are applying and promoting these measures themselves and taking initiative to act now. Also important, though, is that the next administration be involved from both a top-down, regulatory standpoint, and also a bottom-up, grassroots standpoint that is linked to our national security, our national well being, and good old fashioned American patriotism. Highlight and promote the patriotism inherent in energy conservation, and Americans will rally to the cause in even larger numbers.

Civic involvement of this type - a kind similar to the victory gardens and rationing on the Home Front during World War II - is what, to my eyes, Americans were craving for in the days following September 11th. It is a feeling that might be muted right now, but it is a feeling that should be engaged by the next administration. This problem is huge, and to compare it to the Apollo program de-emphasizes the degree to which the general public should be involved. The energy crisis affects all of us to some degree, and so we should all be taking steps, together, to help avert more serious problems down the road. The next administration can go a long way in motivating the American public to engage in this process.

I am in no way suggesting drastic action on an individual level - we can make great progress via relatively painless measures. But it should be abundantly clear that drastic consequences will affect more and more Americans as energy and food prices increase. The Joint Economic Committee** held a hearing on July 30 highlighting these stresses on the Middle Class and how increasing local efficiency standards and incentive programs might be the best way to avoid a full-blown energy crisis.

What I am suggesting is that the next administration build out a large program based on individual actions like making sure the tires on the family car(s) are properly inflated - which is a good idea, and one that works (as does McCain, apparently). Use the government to incentivize small, individual actions at the local level like home gardens, roof-top solar panels, better insulation, car pooling, shorter showers, etc. Show Americans that yes, they might have to change their behavior - even slightly - in ways we might have laughed off eight years ago. But those changes, if we stick with them, will mean rewards both to our bottom lines when bills come due and towards our greater national - and patriotic - goals of de-coupling from the petrodollar economic cycle and becoming more independent on a global level than we have been for decades.

That's something I would have been excited to hear in 2001, but am probably more excited to hear right now. We are at another fork in the road, and it is one of the most important we have ever faced as Americans (and as citizens of the world).

*I'm referring specifically to energy/environment stuff here, not Sen. Obama's proposed national service program. It should also be noted that Obama references the "go shopping" request by the Bush Administration that I mention in this column.

**Full Disclosure: I held a summer clerk position with the JEC this summer, ending on August 1. I was on staff when this efficiency hearing took place, but had no direct involvement in the preparation of materials/data, etc.


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Why would the Bu$hco administration encourage energy conservation? How would their cronies make any money?
You can't privatize or outsource "turn down the thermostat" or "check your tire pressure" to ExxonHalliburtonKBR.

Ah yes, spoken like a second year Harvard law student. How old were you at 9/11? 14, 15 maybe? Suggesting that the best use of political capital garnered in the wake of 9/11 would be to encourage victory gardens... is "out of touch".

People will conserve, when it's in their best interest to do so, and not before. As for painless, nuclear energy is here, safe, recyclable, and a staple in France. Pick a design, make it modular, and get on with it.

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@shooter242

People will conserve, when it's in their best interest to do so, and not before.

The question is interpreting "in their best interest", is it not? Many of us claim that profligacy is not in our long-term best interest. A little efficiency goes a long way.

Efficiency is good for many, inefficiency is profitable for the few. I believe that explains much of what we hear from those in positions of influence recently.

The question is interpreting "in their best interest", is it not? Many of us claim that profligacy is not in our long-term best interest. A little efficiency goes a long way.
Indeed, but this sounds much like a conservation police manifesto. Each person has to decide what's in their best interest here, not an overarching authority. And price is still the best method to let people know what their real tradeoffs are.
Efficiency is good for many, inefficiency is profitable for the few. I believe that explains much of what we hear from those in positions of influence recently.
Ah, I'm glad you agree. Nuclear power is indeed the more efficient way to go.
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Ah, I'm glad you agree. Nuclear power is indeed the more efficient way to go.

As long as it is managed competently, and policies are discussed openly, both benefits and costs.

I am one who believes that people entrusted with significant authority tend to misuse that authority. Any discussion of nuclear energy must be verifiably open and all processes (both financial and nucleonic) auditable and audited.

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shooter,

the growth in nuclear power has been stagnant since the Three Mile Island incident, but also because of costs of constructing a plant and insuring it. I'm sure insurance companies saw what happened in Chernobyl.

Should the federal government subsidize construction and insurance costs?

I would buy more into Nuclear if it were strictly regulated and watched over by an independent
agency whose board would be made up, in equal parts, of Capitalists, environmentalists and consumer's groups.

I just don't trust the type of executives we have running our corporations today, nor do I trust the Federal Government alone to regulate them properly.

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Nuclear power isn't an indvidual option, so your statement that

Each person has to decide what's in their best interest here, not an overarching authority.

doesn't make a lot of sense.

In fact the political issues surrounding nuclear power pretty much demand and 'over-arching authority' to resolve. Where do the by-prodcts get stored or used for example. Or what is an acceptably safe method for transporting them?

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shooter,

from what I understand the Nuclear Industry in France is run by the government, would you support that system over here or would you keep it in the hands of the capitalists?

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Of course you're right that people can make relatively painless choices (even entirely painless choices) and that collectively they'll have a positive effect. It's up to the government to inform people about those choices and to encourage people to make the best ones.

But I think you overstate people's appetites for "victory gardens and rationing" of the World War II era. There is no appetite for anything like it and there wasn't after 9/11 either. Indeed, there's really no appetite for mandatory national service of any sort, only for voluntary national service that is paid for and includes subsidies for higher education.

Americans don't like to be told what to do. So tread carefully here. You can inform people, you can persuade them, but it's tough to require antyhing of them. And no, I don't think people were more civic minded back in World War II. The real difference is that back then, people had fewer rights. We had compulsory military service, for example, and a lot more government control of the nation's economic resources. The US was a bit of a police state back then, it's nothing to look back on with nostalgia.

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I do not recall any widespread "craving" for victory gardens and rationing after 9-11-01. There clearly was very broad support then for temporary palliatives such as bombing Afghanistan. When it comes to the current mess that essentially functions as a US energy "policy," the World War II analogy is at best farfetched anyway. No Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan is forcing America to continue to be one of the world's biggest energy wasters. As for myth of French energy independence, that country gets 40% of its energy from nuclear power (the mounting waste is unsolved ticking time bomb) less than from fossil fuels (50%), and gasoline prices there are over $8 a gallon. See:
www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/prices.html#Motor
The fascination with minuscule token measures like drilling for oil in Alaska or inflating tires has in fact little to do with addressing the real energy issue. The US needs to adopt radical measures on both the supply (new sources) and demand (conservation and efficiency) sides, or radical -and disruptive- change will come willy nilly.

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Well, I remember Nixon's 1973 oil embargo "No Christmas lights" response -- a gesture intended solely to manipulate the people and to demonstrate to them what a bunch of sheeple they really are.

I much preferred Bush's response: "Go shopping -- the big boys, the elite, will see to the problem". At least it was honest.

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If you want to know how this might work, look at California after the 1973 oil embargo. The state created many incentives to save. For example, we received an interest-free loan from our electric company to add insulation to the attic. We used tax incentives to install solar hot water on our roof.

The Energy Star system was invented, and much of the research on conservation was done in California. Research on alternate energy was going on. (Disclosure: I was working on some of it.)

The federally-sponsored research ended a few months after Ronald Reagan became President. Still, California saved enough energy to cancel a couple of electric plants, and energy use by the state was level for a decade or more, even though population was increasing. I read recently that per-capita use of energy in California is still much below the national average.

So, with the proper use of requirements on utilities, efficiency requirements on new construction, tax incentives and so forth conservation actually works. It takes some creative legislation and the use of multiple approaches at the same time. It does work.

i was 21 on 9/11, but thanks for your comment.

and i wasn't encouraging victory gardens in our case. it's an analogy to WWII and perhaps i could have made its nature as such a bit more clear in the piece.

my underlying point, and i admit to burying the lede here, is that yes, we will conserve and we will become more efficient on our own, but good leadership from the next administration in couching this effort not just as something we're doing on our own, but rather as a larger, country-wide effort to disengage from foreign energy sources as an important element of our national security would be welcome, and probably productive.

just my opinion, though, i look forward to reading the additional comments.

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Maybe we're being a bit rough on you.

But it seems to me like government run PR campaigns never work. Can the same government that unapologetically told me that buying pot funds terrorism really convince me to take shorter showers in the interests of national security?

ha. when you put it that way...

i agree that there is a certain amount of selling (and buying) that has to go on here. i don't think that this would have worked six months ago, when gas wasn't yet over $4.00. i think there have to be incentives, and not just happy talk. But i think making the government a part of the story is important.

as much as i would like to trust the free market to solve all of our problems, i can make a fairly coherent argument that it's been the cause of them in a lot of ways - at least w/r/t energy prices, etc.

it's possible that i'm just banging the drum here for an increase in regulation of some sort. but i don't trust private actors to accomplish this by themselves. I think it's going to take a New Deal-esque effort from the government. Not in dollars, necessarily, but in the way we think about new, productive (please, productive) ways for the government to be involved.

i've been jaded by the last eight years, but i hope that in the face of this kind of looming - and gobal - issue, private interests and public/government interests can be productive partners in this stuff.

but again, boiling it down to the pot = terrah stuff really shows how NOT to go about doing something like this.

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Yeah, I think you're calling for more, smarter and better regulations. What we really need to sell people on is the idea that not all regulations are bad and that some of them can actually, you know, help.

I would buy more into Nuclear if it were strictly regulated and watched over by an independent agency whose board would be made up, in equal parts, of Capitalists, environmentalists and consumer's groups.
I just don't trust the type of executives we have running our corporations today, nor do I trust the Federal Government alone to regulate them properly.

Three mile island was thirty years ago and no one was hurt. I think it's safe to say technology has advanced some since then. As for environmentalists on a regulatory board, that's not happening, not to mention they are the major reason we're having such difficulty today. You might as well put cardboard cutouts in a seat with a speech bubble over their heads that says "NO".

I'm afraid you're going to have to count on capitalists to solve the energy crisis. With appropriate oversight, tax credits, and subsidies, by government.

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I'm afraid you're going to have to count on capitalists to solve the energy crisis. With appropriate oversight, tax credits, and subsidies, by government.

Capitalists have an essentially flawless record of capitalistic rationality: Externalize costs/risks/responsibility where it's legal to do so. It is entirely reasonable to expect management who are responsible *EXCLUSIVELY* for enriching the shareholders to behave in accordance with that expectation, it's what they are paid to do.

Those requirements for (highly localized) fiscal responsibility must be balanced by the needs of the rest of the population. That is the role of "police", of "regulators", "environmentalists", et cetera. Management has a clear, loud and single-minded voice; the people affected by management decisions must have a balancing voice.

Pure capitalism results in environmental events like Love Canal, the burning Cuyahoga river, Pittsburgh's air until the steel industry died, the environment near Hanford Washington, Prince William Sound, the continuing failure of this society to find a solution to the nuclear waste problem, et cetera et cetera. Pure capitalism also results in financial events like Lee Raymond's retirement package, Mr. Grasso's NYSE retirement package, the golden parachutes of the managers who presided over the demise(s) of several investment banks, again et cetera. Finally, capitalism mediated to some extent greater or lesser, has resulted in an economy that used to work for everybody. We don't want to eliminate capitalism as a force, it's more correct to say that we want to manage it properly.

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lenski,

excellent post.

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Sorry for the double response, but here's a followup that I should have included more explicitly in the previous post:

I'm afraid you're going to have to count on capitalists to solve the energy crisis.

Solving the energy crisis IS NOT THEIR JOB. The job of every capitalist is TO MAKE MONEY, increasing shareholder wealth. Nothing more. Period.

It is up to society to give the capitalists appropriate guidance, using legal remedies for misbehavior and regulation before the damage is done, that behaving in accordance with our values increases the likelihood of their enrichment.

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Good point!

We should tax the oil companies for the full cost of the Iraq War -- but at the same time expect them to raise the price of gas in order to pass the tax through to the consumer who will, then, buy fuel efficient cars.

A win-win scenario.

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Pretty much what was done in the matter of the Tobacco Settlement Agreement -- that is, all costs to the industry were passed on to the consumer who adjusted his or her behavior, appropriately -- or didn't.

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shooter242 says:

As for environmentalists on a regulatory board, that's not happening, not to mention they are the major reason we're having such difficulty today.

shooter, that's bullshit. The problems with nuclear are, as I mentioned earlier, NIMBY, constructions costs, insurance costs.

That "Three Mile Island was 30 years ago and no one was hurt" ignores the threat that was shown to people and the government.

You ignored my reference to Chernobyl. It isn't that Chernobyl happened 22 years ago, or that the reactor or personnel were perhaps faulty, its what the incident caused that people notice, the radioactive cloud over Europe and the 20 mile dead zone around ground zero, not to mention the list of dead and future cancers or genetic damage.

I'm afraid you're going to have to count on capitalists to solve the energy crisis. With appropriate oversight, tax credits, and subsidies, by government.

heh heh, that's funny; "oversight, tax credits and subsidies by government." Hell, the people who want to build those reactors want the tax credits, and the subsidies, but NOT the oversight.

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Jared:

I think you're on the right track here.

What Roosevelt did that worked worked well was to apply a plethora of solutions to the problems the country faced. Many didn't work out. But enough of them did that it the falures and false starts didn't matter.

In my opinion this is the definition of the distinction between the ways Liberals and Conservatives govern. Conservatives by nature are averse to doing the wrong thing, thus in many cases Conservative governments under-respond to crises. Liberal governments tend to err on the other end and thus some of their responses succeed while some fail.

I think the country is now in the mood for the Liberal approach.

dave, thanks.

i wrote it before seeing this comment, but i replied above to destor23 and referred to the New Deal... so i think we're on the same page. i very much agree that we need a new way of think about our approach and being bold isn't a bad thing. and by bold, i don't mean stupid.

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"A Conservative government is an organized hypocrisy.
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We don't want to eliminate capitalism as a force, it's more correct to say that we want to manage it properly.
It is up to society to give the capitalists appropriate guidance, using legal remedies for misbehavior and regulation before the damage is done, that behaving in accordance with our values increases the likelihood of their enrichment.
That certainly explains why capitalism is moving elsewhere, to places like India and China. Everything in life, is a matter of degree. Make life sufficiently difficult for innovators and employers and you lose both. You're going to have to decide what's more important, providing an environment conducive to the pursuit of economic self interest, or scrabbling over a diminishing pie.
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Shooter,

That certainly explains why capitalism is moving elsewhere, to places like India and China. Make life sufficiently difficult for innovators and employers and you lose both.

Energy conservation, regulation, taxes (unstated in your arguments but it seems to fit) are all but irrelevant to my business (related to machine-to-machine (M2M) communications, logistics and management controls of mobile resources).

The most relevant issues for our business, as I believe to be the case for most small businesses in America today, are gaining access to the market and the unpredictable costs of intellectual property litigation.

Our work probably violates one or more of 500,000 software and process patents that have been granted over the last decade or so. It is essentially impossible to build a nontrivial system that connects two computers without violating some patent troll's "intellectual property". We don't have the time or resources to investigate all of them. We don't even have time to filter them down to only 10,000 or so that may apply to our systems for the purpose of licensing (assuming it's even possible for an upstart company to negotiate them).

So with respect to the "innovation" half of your argument, the problem is not regulation or taxes, it is rather the corporate land-grab that inhibits marketplace entry by innovators. Or, as we all discovered with the Research In Motion patent suit and many other similarsuits, a massive and entirely unpredictable TAX imposed on honest innovators by patent trolls.

Parenthetically, I note that the USPTO may have recently begun to see the light on this issue, recognizing that the current state of "intellectual property" in this country is a serious drag on innovation.

You are smart enough to write blog comments, so I expect you also to be smart enough to know very well that capital is moving away from U.S. markets toward emerging economies due to the significant disparity in labor costs. More in China than in India, labor costs are "managed" (a nice euphemism) by their government, whose strategic intent during at least the last 10 years has been to price their labor market such that corporations essentially must move their manufacturing offshore to compete with the other business that are moving offshore to reduce labor costs. That strategy has been working very well, as American workers are trying to find any work, including "service industry" work to pay the bills.

So yes, capital is moving away from the U.S., but its movement is induced by the promise of cheap labor, not "regulation".

This is interesting. On one hand you claim society should legislate, regulate, and adjudicate, capitalism.....

It is up to society to give the capitalists appropriate guidance, using legal remedies for misbehavior and regulation before the damage is done, that behaving in accordance with our values increases the likelihood of their enrichment.

While simultaneously admitting you won't follow your own strictures?
Our work probably violates one or more of 500,000 software and process patents that have been granted over the last decade or so.

I'd say that renders this....
Those requirements for (highly localized) fiscal responsibility must be balanced by the needs of the rest of the population. That is the role of "police", of "regulators", "environmentalists", et cetera. Management has a clear, loud and single-minded voice; the people affected by management decisions must have a balancing voice.

...opinion on these matters, hypocritical. Society has decreed a system of patent protections for innovators that you blithely disregard for your own personal profit, while insisting all other companies abide by the "rules". Every other business in the country has problems they'd like to ignore too, but can't. What makes you so special that you can declare, "do as I say, not as I do"? Tsk.

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...opinion on these matters, hypocritical. Society has decreed a system of patent protections for innovators that you blithely disregard for your own personal profit, while insisting all other companies abide by the "rules". Every other business in the country has problems they'd like to ignore too, but can't. What makes you so special that you can declare, "do as I say, not as I do"? Tsk.

Incorrect oh snarky one. That is an important point in my comment. We work long and hard to recognize protected ideas, inventions, et cetera, and we don't infringe on them.

We make sure to know the territory in which we work as thoroughly as possible, with the specific intent of recognizing other peoples' ideas and inventions. We never steal anyone else's ideas intentionally, and we do not pollute the environment we work in (even when it is the "intellectual property" space).

Patent trolls are not innovators. The supreme court began to unwind the stupidity about 18 months ago around the issue of "obviousness". With that background and increasing pressure from actual developers, the USPTO is beginning to see the light too.

We in the technology industries have a long tradition of working within the patent system and for many years it served us well. It stopped serving us with the rise of trivial process software and process patents.

Perhaps someone should patent the idea of determining which of 40,000 lines of C++, Python, PHP and SQL violates which of 10,000 possibly related patents, downselected from several hundred thousand, which are all written in impenetrable language accessible only to patent lawyers and their assistants, and which are written to be as broad as possible ("system and method for allowing two entities to communicate wirelessly"...).

When we figure out a way to do it, we will. In the meantime, we work to follow the regulations, keeping our noses clean and do not infringe on any ideas that we can discern to be protected.

Assuming you are on the level, you might be interested in a book by Hernando DeSoto, The Mystery of Capital which goes into these sorts of issues. Societies that impede ordinary people's participation in the marketplace have far lower rates of development.

It's a contract: "We work within a regulatory framework, we expect that the regulatory framework is rational, and we expect our voices to be heard when that framework is up for revision".

Right now, in energy and several other domains under the present administration, the voices of capitalists drown out all others.

That's the problem with the present regulatory framework called "patent", and it's the problem when a few entrenched providers prevent fully informed discussion of energy policy with their lobbying.

Incorrect oh snarky one. That is an important point in my comment. We work long and hard to recognize protected ideas, inventions, et cetera, and we don't infringe on them.

OK, OK. I'll grant you complexity, guarded by the impenetrability of professional-speak. I used to own a small business myself and can understand the aggravation of tying to do things while gatekeepers "tut-tut."

In my own defense, your story was starting to sound like the drug Taxol I researched a while back. After all the investment pharma went through, Brazil reverse engineered it and started to produce generics without permission. One can argue that their heart was in the right place, in trying to make medicine affordable for it's citizens, but that morality is suspect.

Mr. Desoto and I are in agreement around why capitalism works in some places but not other. Private property, rule of law, and a market economy are all required to progress. Poverty is a political problem not economic.

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Reverse engineering someone else's research, riding on their work is absolutely intolerable.

I had a choice to make 3 years ago, to reverse-engineer another manufacturer's protocol in order to enter the marketplace using the infrastructure that had already been established, or to establish our own.

The choice was uncomplicated, though it made our lives significantly more difficult. We did not reverse-engineer the protocol, we developed our own (I think better) protocol, and now we need to work much harder to gain access to the market without the benefit of working with the existing, entrenched competition.

Now it's onward and upward, facing the challenge of marketplace success..

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shooter,

no one here wants to dump capitalism, most believe it needs to be regulated or we get
Phil Gramm, Ivan Boesky, Micahel Milkin, the ENRON gang, Global Crossing, World Com, Adelphia, Tyco, Bush/Cheney, Halliburton/KBR, Blackwater, EXXON's Lee Raymond retirement package $400 million.........the S & L scandal, sub prime lending, you know, the wrecking crew that has been growing in numbers ever since Reagan turned them loose.

Nuclear power is neither safe nor efficient. What do you propose to do with the waste? In the era of terrorist under every bed, why would we want to create more nuclear material? As Iran hides a nuclear bomb program behind their 'safe' nuclear power program, you propose we increase our use of this technology?

If nuclear power is so safe, why doesn't the industry insure themselves against the potential risk instead of relaying on US laws that limit their liability?

China can't even make dog food and you want the US and the developing world to take on the technical and adminstrative challenges of safely running nukes?

The most dangerous side effect of our focus on global warming is the reemergence of this hideous technology.

Only after we've gone through the hard work of making our transportation systems, industries and buildings efficient; after we've invested in the R&D and infrastructure we need for alternative energy souces; after we've taken the steps necessary to encourage repopulation of our urban centers, which can be rejuviated and maintained with much less energy input than the ever increasing spawl; after we make our citizens pay the real costs of living in drought prone, air conditioning dependent places -- even then I think nuclear is a bad idea, but at least it wouldn't be just because we are too lazy to look for other options.

Ever hear the joke -- what sleeps four and costs billions of dollars -- Peachbottom nuclear power plant (located outside of Philadelphia).

This joke was circulating in the early nines when the NRC found that the people hired to monitor the safety systems in the plant were sleeping. Big scandal, heads rolled. Ten years later they were caught napping again.

It's impossible to ensure the unthinkable never happens. Eventually, the perfect storm will blow in and Murphy will sit back and say I told you so. Ask the people who lived around Chernoble if it was worth it.

Nuclear power is neither safe nor efficient. What do you propose to do with the waste?
Recycle and remove for burial. I'm always amazed that people would prefer to pollute the entire country's air and water via oil and coal rather than one mountain in Nevada.
In the era of terrorist under every bed, why would we want to create more nuclear material? As Iran hides a nuclear bomb program behind their 'safe' nuclear power program, you propose we increase our use of this technology?
You may have noticed that Iran (and soon others) are going to have nuclear programs no matter what anyone says. I think it's smart to develop our own industry as a model we can offer.
If nuclear power is so safe, why doesn't the industry insure themselves against the potential risk instead of relaying on US laws that limit their liability?
Oh please. The financial reserves of any industry are no match for the innovation and greed of the trial lawyers. How does one defend against say... the liabilities of emotional damage due to reactors upwind from the plaintiffs?
China can't even make dog food and you want the US and the developing world to take on the technical and adminstrative challenges of safely running nukes?
I've got news for you bud, you can't stop other countries from doing anything they want to. You have a choice. Lead, follow, or get run over by people passing you.
Only after we've gone through the hard work of making our transportation systems, industries and buildings efficient; after we've invested in the R&D and infrastructure we need for alternative energy souces; after we've taken the steps necessary to encourage repopulation of our urban centers,
The real problem with statements like this is it's resemblence to religious fanaticism in the middle ages, where people would beat themselves senseless in an effort to become pure. All you have to offer here is pain and proscription. Nuclear has the potential for limitless power opportunity which is currently available, can replace burning coal, and fill the gap until other technologies emerge. Citing Chernobyl is just fearmongering with very old technology run by political hacks. It's time for you to enter the 21st Century with the rest of us.
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shooter,

I noticed you added trial lawyers to accompany the environmentalists as obstructionists to capitalism. I expect your next add on will be Unions.

Union? That goes without saying. Surely you've heard who the biggest consumer of Viagra is? GM healthcare. Unions have a time and place. China and India will undoubtedly benefit from unionization at some point. Unionization in mature economies competing with cheap labor is the road to obsolescence. Even the French have gotten the memo.

But I'm curious about your distaste for capitalism. I presume you enjoy the benefits of capitalism. And Capitalism, like any system, has periods of excess which quickly get regulated. So what's your problem with it?

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shooter242 asks;


But I'm curious about your distaste for capitalism. I presume you enjoy the benefits of capitalism.

Where, oh where, have I ever expressed a distaste for capitalism? I'm a retired busines owner who handed the firm over to his sons. My problem isn't with capitalism, its with the version underway in this country today, the version called 'unbridled capitalism'.

The United States is the largest consumer of energy per capita in the world. There is plenty of room for improvement before we feel even a little discomfort and it can be had a much lower cost than nuclear power.

What do the "greed" of trial lawyers have to do with anything. Most other industries in this country manage to insure themselves against risk. Nuclear power does not.

Trivialize the risk all you want, nuclear waste has a very long shelf life. And the technology is extremely expensive and centralizes our power production unneccesarily.

I don't understand why you think all I am offering is pain and proscription (not even sure what you mean by the last). And if you think Russia is the only place run by political hacks, you haven't spent much time talking to the people who actually run things in this country.

I'm a full participant in this century. Are you?

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