We'll Always Have Paris
It emerges that Paris Hilton can articulate an energy policy better than the presidential candidate of the Republican Party. My respect for her has grown in leaps and bounds, so to speak, and if she needs any more policy advice I'm totally available.
On the nuke front, somebody should ask that silly little man what he would do with nuclear waste. Nobody should be allowed to advocate more nuclear power without being obliged to disclose a plan for disposing of the inevitable waste products. Where are you going to put it, how are you going to get it there. How about Arizona? It's like proposing specific tax cuts along with non-specific spending cuts, all the while trumpeting your intention to balance the budget.
A little more arcane but in the same vein: would the tribune of free markets eliminate any subsidies for nukes, including Federal coverage of liability in the event of accidents? And how would our addle-pated conservative improve our swiss-cheese system of regulation, to guard against accidents? After all, a nuclear mishap is not quite like a toxic Jalapeno pepper.
Belated Postscript: Don't let any pseudo-economist tell you a windfall profits tax is nutty. It doesn't solve a world of problems, but there is nothing wrong with it either. See Mark Thoma, Robert Waldmann, and Andrew Leigh for details.
P.P.S. Since people are saying my portrait frightens the children, I have submitted one with a more noble aspect.
















The purpose is not to build nuclear power plants or to drill offshore; the purpose is to construct action-oriented solutions full of apparent resolve which can be described within the time accorded to a sound bite.
And to offer up these quickie policy solutions to the Apathetic Voter who would rather not think too deeply about these issues, 'cause if they did, it would make their brains hurt.
August 6, 2008 8:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yep. You are absolutely correct. Dems should take note and do the same thing.
August 6, 2008 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damning Paris with very faint praise.
August 6, 2008 8:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why aren't the Dems handing out empty gas cans imprinted with the slogan, "McCain promotes Paris Hilton's energy plan."
August 6, 2008 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
....says Paris, a mind is a beautiful thing to waste....
August 6, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Or, to remember Dan Quayle's words of wisdom:
"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is."
Aaah, good times, good times . . .
August 6, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, those were such innocent times. I remember being very pleased that Quayle was still on the ticket in 92, because even though Bush was probably going to win, I reasoned, there was NO WAY that the voters would go for a guy as stupid sounding as Quayle.
August 7, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dean Baker made good point about windfall profits taxes -- if we give oil companies more drilling rights then we should use a windfall profits tax in order to keep them to their promise that gas prices will fall as a result.
August 6, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bring back the old, très cooler avatar. In a sensible religion, scaring children would be a sacrament. This one is not nobler, just lamer.
August 6, 2008 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
[sigh] You can never please everybody.
August 6, 2008 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also sprach Ricky Nelson.
August 6, 2008 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm voting for her.
August 6, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
The nuclear waste storage issue is a palpable fraud. Nature has done the storage experiments for us. The waste generated by the Oklo natural fission reactions in Gabon (sixteen of them, in three locations) has remained in place and has been no danger to the surrounding environment for a billion and a half years, despite being in geological formations that human beings would consider far too unstable for storage of nuclear waste.
This has been known for nearly half a century now. It seems that some environmentalists only heed the example of Mother Nature when Mother Nature says what they like to hear.
When the history of global warming comes to be written, anti-nuke fanaticism will be right next to oil and coal company greed as a contributing factor. Greenpeace has not done as much damage as Exon-Mobil, not yet anyway, but their egotism and refusal to consider the example Nature providently provided for us is going to cost us dearly.
Hit McCain, he's an ass. But he's not some sort of dark god whose every pronouncement is automatically wrong. You've made an ass of yourself here.
August 6, 2008 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I never said no nukes. If storage is no problem that's good news, and McCain should so inform us, including details about where he will put this stuff that seems to scare the bejesus out of everybody.
August 6, 2008 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you.
If nature is so good at handling nuclear waste, I suppose sagesource wouldn't mind if we just pumped all our nuclear waste into the Ogallala Aquifer? Just let Mama Nature do her thing with 'em, right?
"Oh, don't worry about it. It's not that big of a deal," is pretty much on par with what the GOP would try to sell you on just about any major issue though. So points for consistency...
August 6, 2008 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, you may be right about Gabon, but things aren't so great in Washington:
Nature gets things right that humans don't.
August 6, 2008 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sagesource, that is an excellent idea. I wonder how much it will cost to get our radioactive waste shipped to Gabon. They've already proved they have the right geology for it.
Seriously, a natural nuclear event occurred in Gabon 1.5 Billion years ago and it is completely safe now you say.
I imagine if we parked all of our nuclear waste in Times Square and waited 1.5 billion years, future earthlings would be saying the same thing about the times square deposit.
I'm not saying nuclear power is the salvation or is evil. I'm just disputing your logic.
August 6, 2008 5:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's Gabon, Arizona you're talking about, right? Another great energy dependance policy.
August 6, 2008 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
The waste generated by the Oklo natural fission reactions in Gabon (sixteen of them, in three locations) has remained in place and has been no danger to the surrounding environment for a billion and a half years, despite being in geological formations that human beings would consider far too unstable for storage of nuclear waste.
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You are so ignorant and so wrong. The African craton (ie. continental core) has been stable for 1.5 billion years because it is an extremely old and undisturbed craton (ie. continental core). Since you pose to know geology, you know that none of Earth's oceanic crust is older than 100 million years and much of its continental crust is much younger than that and both are in a constant state of re-working due to plate tectonics. Your example is a carefully selected and geologically disingenuous strawman. I believe there are ways to safely recycle nuclear waste (ie. by injection into subducted oceanic plates plunging into the Earth's mantle, such as the Tonga and Mariana Trenches). But please let's keep the discussion on an honest keel.
Cheers.
August 7, 2008 2:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nuclear power advocates are so funny sometimes. The only time nuclear power is financially viable is when government helps foot the bill. Someone has to give them everything from land use rights for mining uranium, to land for waste storage. Always sluffing the cost off on someone else, be it contamination or taxes. Then you guys have the gall to call for free markets. Nuclear power is too expensive to privately produce and too expensive to clean up after the fact. The only reason it so attractive is because other countries with no scruples about dumping the waste on unsuspecting populations and governments willing to foot the bill, are doing it. Why can't we? Think of what would happen if the nuclear industry forgot about regulations the way mortgage companies have. Nuclear problems can't be fixed by throwing money at it, any more than democracy can be forced at gun point.
August 6, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can you name any power production technology that doesn't depend on massive government subsidies? Surely you can't mean oil, gas, or coal. At least we haven't (yet) started a war over uranium access.
Some of the subsidies that nuclear gets are unwise (I'm thinking the liability waiver), but I'm in favor of even greater subsidies for producing power, particularly in solar and wind technologies.
There are certainly reasons why we should give nuclear a very close look before signing on for any big expansions, but the argument that it relies on subsidies seems specious to me.
August 6, 2008 9:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
bingo - you are correct.
Here's what I don't get - Europe has been using nuclear power for decades- what are they doing about waste?
Please do not Chernobyl me - I understand the magnitude of the problem.
I would like to see us perhaps try a bit harder to come at the problems from a different perspective - it just seems to make sense in a lot of ways to use nuclear power. Hell, that's what runs the solar system. Without our nuclear reactor in the sky, we woudn't be here.
We can't run from solutions because they cause more problems because I do believe that this world is so structured that there ain't ever going to be a free lunch - a price is always paid. There will always be problems that arise from things we do.
And they are building 78 coal fired electric plants in my fucking state - Texas. I can't tell you how much I don't want 78 fucking coal burning plants in Texas where the air pollution now is at staggering levels.
August 6, 2008 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's a concept -- supermarkets that aren't so cold from air conditioning that you need to wear a sweater. When that shit stops, we can talk about building nukes. Until then, no dice.
August 7, 2008 2:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps you should use a different scenario to describe our society's inefficient use of energy... I believe supermarkets are cold because their management needs them to be dry. Supermarkets are full of food and a very good way to slow the various microorganisms that want to eat that food is to keep it dry. I've worked in warehouses and many years ago visited small stores, where the atmosphere is not kept as dry as a modern supermarket. And there is a distinct "smell" to them. It's not unpleasant, but there is no question that "life" exists there that supermarket operators do not want in their much larger stores, which are really large "walk through warehouses" whose customers (us) expect to be essentially spotless and free of any indication of "life".
With that said though, I agree with your basic thesis. In my opinion, it's the all too commonly held American "right to wastefulness" that has contributed to the unnecessary consumption of energy in this society. Consumer products corporations and their advertisers have contributed significantly to this problem.
August 7, 2008 6:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mad Dog -- you're right. The fact of a subsidy alone is not a strike against anything with a legitimate public role, which in my book includes a lot of infrastructure. The subsidy might be too much, or as you say in the case of liability protection, create disincentives for safety.
Of course everybody wants subsidies for alternatives to fossil fuel and nuclear.
August 7, 2008 7:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ok nature got ONE storage of nuclear material right. Luck of the draw - it had to happen once.
On a clear night I can see thousands of natural nuclear reactions totally uncontrolled and they have destroyed millions of planets.
August 6, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I haven't had Paris. When's my turn?
August 6, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Rethuglicans don't do nuance. A good line from a New York Observer piece:
Sure, off-shore drilling won't hurt gas prices -- in the same way that returning an empty Coke can for the nickel deposit won't hurt your effort to save up for a house. But the decision to allow off-shore drilling is utterly inconsequential in lowering gas prices.
A sound sound bite for Obama to use?
August 6, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
i really believe Paris had plenty of help with her little statement,don't you.
my point is that she appears to have much more going on than John Mlame . Must be better people in her world bubble ya think.
Just shows in a glaring way whats running around and bouncing about Mclame's little minded world.
August 6, 2008 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Since we are on the subject of Nuclear waste, how about radioactive waste from Coal fired power plants from an article I was reading and an event I went to by the Sierra Club, "Over the past few decades, however, a series of studies has called these stereotypes into question. Among the surprising conclusions: the waste produced by coal plants is actually more radioactive than that generated by their nuclear counterparts. In fact, fly ash—a by-product from burning coal for power—contains up to 100 times more radiation than nuclear waste."
Here is a link to the article,
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste
I understand that we are going to have to be able to use many different sources to create the energy we need which will most likely include Coal, Liquid Coal, Nuclear, Wind, Water, Geo-thermal and Solar but if almost all of these forms of energy production endanger the lives of the public in some aspect of the process, then shouldn't the goal be to minimize our impact as much as possible for now and the future and to maximize efficency?
August 6, 2008 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking about coal-related radioactivity, the takeaway line from that article is this:
So..an additional 2 millirems, when the average person encounters 360 millirems. Not really a smoking gun, there.
August 6, 2008 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I only like Paris for her energy policy.
August 6, 2008 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Memekiller says:
"I only like Paris for her energy policy."
Yep, and you only buy Playboy for the articles. :)
August 6, 2008 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Playboy has articles?!? Wow, that's hot.
August 6, 2008 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I too have been waiting for somebody to ask McCain where he plans to put the nuclear waste from these 36 new Nuclear plants. Hell even where he is going to put these new plants, because I'm pretty sure nobody wants a Nuclear facility going up in the adjoining town. Everybody thinks it's a great idea until they realize it could be buried in their backyard. It's the whole NIBMY principle at work. Force him to say which State he wants to bury the matter in and don't let him cop out by saying that is up for the States to decide.
It's easy to throw out the "I wanna build x number of new Nuclear Power Plants" it's a little harder to get into the specifics of where and what you plan to do with the nuclear waste.
August 6, 2008 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where is he going to buy the uranium? Will he be willing to fight the french to get theirs?
August 6, 2008 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Couple things.
My opinion of Ms. Hilton, while not as bad as most, went up leaps and bounds by this ad. Awesome. I keep saying that she actually seems like a nice person. People are just totally jealous.
Breeder reactors get rid of the waste problem. That's what the French do. They don't have a waste problem, because they have breeder reactors. We should just copy the french nuclear power plant program and healthcare program. Hello, they perfected both, let's just copy it. Why is that such a big deal? It isn't rocket science.
Oh, on the breeder reactors, the big nasty by product is plutonium, that is used for nuclear weapons, not that I advocate more nuclear weapons. However, why are americans sooooo stupid. We build special reactors to get plutonium, which also generate waste and we build nuclear reactors, or used to, that just generate waste and not reuse it. It boggles the mind. We would have no waste problem and plutonium with breeder reactors. It just seems sooo silly.
August 6, 2008 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, if we didn't build separate reactors there wouldn't be as many contracts for Bechtel and Halliburton. Also, we need the depleted uranium for our ordinance, so that every "visit" from Uncle Sam will be the gift that keeps on giving for whatever local populace of brown people we decide to bomb/invade.
August 6, 2008 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
ROTWANG!!!!
I like the old av better too. :(
Nuclear reactions can produce massive amounts of energy...and of course a massive amount of other by-products too, none nearly as beneficial. It is a shame that we can't better utilize the nuclear reactor our solar system has provided for us free of cost...our Sun. Also it is too bad we have to use fission instead of fusion like the Sun does, c'est la vie...something about not having the technology for a man made vessel which could contain such a reaction. I am all for nuclear...that is when all the problematic questions about the 'little details' get answered.
I'd be interested in Ms. Hilton's thoughts on the issue. I am sure they would be more coherent and detailed than the Gabby Hayes (great nickname Rotwang, lol.) positions.
August 6, 2008 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rotwang,
I like your other picture better... much better. It captures your spirit far more effectively than this shot.
August 6, 2008 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the previous one, oleeb, he looked like a mad scientist who would be able to build a female robot for himself, for his pleasure. This one reminds me a bit of a Nick Nolte mugshot. From manic to addled...and definitely not befitting. ;-)
:-P
August 7, 2008 12:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
If nuclear energy is the way to the future, then good old American capitalism should be leading the way. Therefore, there would be no need for massive tax subsidies, etc. But American capitalism is not, so that says something.
President Bush and his industry allies have been busy making sure that government doesn't work, so even contaminated food which sickens hundreds cannot be easily traced. And to this regulatory legacy we are going to commit more nuclear power?
McCain made his speech at the Enrico Fermi Nuclear Power plant outside Detroit which had a near meltdown of its reactor in the 1960's. It is shut down, and only the successor nuclear power unit is operating.
August 6, 2008 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can just see McCain and Obama getting into a bidding war for Paris' script writer.
An awesome piece of work. It makes both candidates energy policies seem laughable.
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August 6, 2008 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, here is the solution to our problem:
gas vouchers - if it is good enough to fix education, why not try it on the energy problem too?
Someone ought to clue Mr. McCain in on this one - can't believe he hasn't thought of it on his own by now.
August 6, 2008 11:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reprocessing spent fuel gets rid of a lot of waste, but by no means all. There is residue, and eventually, the plants wear out and radioactive steel, concrete and other materials have to be disposed of. Plants also have periodic releases of radiation for various reasons, I have heard (not sure why - perhaps side effect of having steam boilers). Moving this stuff around means even more contamination must be managed (the containers used to haul fuel back and forth).
Reprocessing is not a snap. The material involved, uranium, is incredibly poisonous even if the radioactive isotopes aren't present, and plutonium is even worse (poisonous is presumably
applicable to all the actinides as heavy metals). This is part of the problem with the residue above too. You do not want your reprocessing run by low-bid amateurs, all the proven processes look very hairy and dangerous, with difficult chemical processing techniques required. I think the French system is a government run enterprise or GOCO and even there they have many accidents and problems. This is not to say it is a bad thing or cannot be done but it's not trivial. Google Tricastin and read up on this amazing site as well as the recent incident(s). If we get into this business we have to be prepared for it.
Incidentally, I remember a big debate about breeder reactors nearly 30 years ago. I think Ford (R) killed them off and it was debated and reaffirmed in the Carter (D) admin. And this was all some years BEFORE 3 Mile Island put the nails in the coffin of the nuclear power industry. Has something about reprocessing changed significantly? Or did we forget we have been to this movie? The other possibilities are that circumstances have changed and either people are looking for a way to deal with the waste better, or delay the uranium Hubbard's Peak.
August 6, 2008 11:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
This whole nuclear power discussion should point out that Obama was totally correct in advocating, instead, that we fill our tires properly. Yes, it sounds dumb, but we simply use far more energy per person than we need to use.
The easy steps to reducing our energy consumption haven't even been used yet. Properly inflate out tires. Buy fuel efficient vehicles. Raise the CAFE limits. Tax the Hell out of SUV's. Require solar panels on all new roofs. Cease production and sale of incandescent light bulbs. Prohibit commercial buildings from keeping all lights on 24/7. And on and on.
No nuclear waste to store because of those steps.
August 7, 2008 1:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Obama also advocated new nuclear power plants. I remember him saying that in a prepared speech during the primary season because it raised my hackles. I keep hoping he forgets that idea or becomes better informed or something.
Also, Tenna:
The sun is a different kind of nuclear reactor than the ones we use. Ours use fission (splitting atoms apart) and stars use fusion (sticking atoms together). Given a choice, fusion is much better both in terms of energy produced and waste left over, but we haven't figured out how to do it in a sustained, controlled manner. The bomb part we figured out, but not the neighborhood reactor.
August 7, 2008 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
You guys will be pleased to know that the Paris Hilton video has made it all the way across the world to New Zealand and to the 6:00pm news. They know what really matters in US politics and how to make sense of the rubbish we have to put up with up here: Paris Hilton on TV3 News in New Zealand
August 7, 2008 1:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Like you, Rothead, I mean, Rotwang, My respect for her has grown by whips and chains.
August 7, 2008 2:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Conservation should be the first step,....give rebates for buying fuel effiecient cars for companies and private individuals. Why is it that there are only a couple choices here in the US for fuel efficient cars and so many more in Europe. The president should have demanded that American car makers make more fuel efficient cars a long time ago.
August 8, 2008 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink