Bill Kristol Depressed: Thinks Obama Is Going To Win
Bill Kristol, neoconservatism's intellectual powerhouse, is suffering. Driving around the Washington suburbs this weekend, he saw a few Obama bumper stickers.
"As I drove around the Washington suburbs, I saw not one but two cars -- rather nice cars, as it happens -- festooned with the Obama campaign bumper sticker 'got hope?' And I relapsed into moroseness. Got hope? Are my own neighbors' lives so bleak that they place their hopes in Barack Obama?"
The reference to the "rather nice cars" sums Kristol up. What a silly and superficial man!
Living in those same Washington suburbs, in a Chevy Chase neighborhood full of Obama stickers, I have an answer for Kristol.
No, Neocon Man, our lives are not bleak at all. We have nice houses and nice cars. But, you see, the essence of patriotism is caring about people other than one's self. Not everybody lives in our suburbs, with our fine schools, libraries, and sheer wealth. Millions and millions of Americans are hurting -- not to mention the millions hurting here and in Iraq from the war you and your pals inflicted on this country. Democrats care about those people. In fact, caring about them is what makes us Democrats.
What makes you a neocon is that you only care about you and yours. And that is why you can't understand why Obama gives us hope. It's not only for ourselves. It's for our country, a concept utterly alien to the likes of you.
It's not your neighbors' lives that are bleak. It's yours. What can it be like to live a life of such utter selfishness?
You live in the pigs' sty, you feed at the pigs' trough. But you pose as a champion of the people and the suckers believe you. Maybe you're not so dumb after all.
July 28, 2008 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are you not the troll who complains about "personal attacks" whenever anyone says something to the effect that you are simpleminded, belligerent, uninformed, and generally a pain in the ass?
The difference is, in referring to you, those are factual statements.
July 28, 2008 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
No. I'm not a troll and I don't complain about personal attacks. I simply identify them as such when it suits me.
I'd like to say you have me confused with someone else but I know you don't. You're still smarting from the repeated beatings I've given you.
July 28, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, Mr. Thin-skinned, but there is no such fact in evidence.
You do little other than spew belligerent nonsense, and if you ever showed the actual courage to stand face to face even with a four-year-old, I think I'd keel over from the shock.
For you to talk about administering "beatings" is the height of absurdity. You lack not only the courage, you lack the capacity.
End of story.
July 28, 2008 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
@ The Old Grouch
heh, heh, heh...
July 28, 2008 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
offensivetoyous says;
"heh, heh, heh..."
Besides being a troll, he's a plagiarist too.
July 29, 2008 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
@ JohnW1141
Oh? You have some sort of copyright on the expression? Of course not. You're simply the moron I've always thought you were.
"Heh, heh, heh.." is simply a method of annoying one's opponent, used in many places by many people. I thought this was the right time to use it on Grouch. He's such an easy mark.
You, too....heh, heh, heh...
July 29, 2008 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
don't feed the trolls
July 28, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
free patriot says:
"don't feed the trolls" (offensivetoyou)
You're right, I shall now refrain from feeding him the attention he needs to feel self worth.
July 29, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
@ JohnW1141
You've said that before, remember? Or is Alzheimer's one of your many attributes?
July 29, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's really funny because all Kristol ever does is pose as the champion of the people, as do all the faux populists over at NRO, as has every movement conservative from Phyllis Schlafly and Goldwater to Santorum and McCain today.
The truth lies in the laws these guys pass and the results they deliver; not in the fake authenticity BS they project. You're just the latest sucker to fall for their BS. Wake Up.
July 28, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
@ Northern Observer
You're just the latest sucker to fall for their BS
Actually not. The people who govern us are all rich lawyers, regardless of party...and lobbyists are effective with all of them.
plus...
I don't need a champion. I'm all grown up.
July 28, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
offensivetoyou;
heh heh heh, heeeeeeeeee's baaaaaaaaaack,
trolling for attention, the 'stuff' he doesn't get once he leaves the keyboard.
July 29, 2008 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill Kristol is the quarterback of my fantasy foolass team, which includes Candy Crowley, Gloria Borger, Jonah Goldberg, Ron Fournier, Matt Drudge and anybody from the Wall Street Journal editorial board. Why would anybody allow these idiots to parade as journalist, is beyond me!
July 28, 2008 10:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
I guess Kristol doesn't understand that some people who live in nice neighborhoods or have nice things had to, well... work. They worked not only to acquire those lifestyles but they continue to work in order to keep up. A lot of people in the middle class, or upper middle classes are a layoff away from losing their standards of living. And, they're effected by stagnant wages and rising prices too. For 8 years Bush has been a disaster for anybody who has to work for a living. While we shouldn't forget that the most vulnerable have suffered the most, Kristol is just going to have to face the fact that Bush has alienated anyone without a trust fund.
July 28, 2008 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
A lot of people in the middle class, or upper middle classes are a layoff away from losing their standards of living.
That's always been the case. You'll find the same complaints over at Free Republic where those same high-end people demand that they stop being lumped with the really rich, who don't have to work for a living.
July 28, 2008 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fair enough, that's always been the case. But very few people who aren't megarich can say that Bush's economic policies have been good for them. I think Kristol is missing that fact, hence his confusion.
July 28, 2008 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
But very few people who aren't megarich can say that Bush's economic policies have been good for them.
But those people over at Free Republic much prefer Bush to McCain and McCain to Obama. Why? They're not stupid people, especially when it comes to their pocketbook. When you factor out issues of foreign policy and race their preferences are just as strong. They believe Obama would tax them to death and restrict their opportunities.
Numbers are important - anyone making less than half a million a year is probably not truly rich - but they are not all important. What counts most is how one gets that money, what one has to do to get it.
July 28, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
In case you weren't paying attention, a lot of them were saying the same thing about Clinton in 1992. The only major differnce this time is that in 1992 most of them didn't have access to an internet that would record their wisdom.
July 29, 2008 3:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
@ destor
It would be interesting to know what Rosenberg does for a living, how he got his money. I'd bet inheritance - either his or his wife's - plays a huge role.
July 28, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
OK then - what do you do for a living?
July 28, 2008 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
MJ's bio is pretty clear. He's worked a lot of political jobs for congressional reps, for lobbyists and for USAID. I don't get why you're suspicious of his means or motives.
July 28, 2008 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Because that's what cons do when they have nothing to attack someone on. They make up shit, and pose it as a question.
July 28, 2008 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
@ destor
My first post makes clear my reasons for suspicion. He lives rich. How did he get the money to do so? The jobs you've listed don't pay THAT well and, unless he's HIGHLY paid NOW, he can't afford his lifestyle.
July 28, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not going to post it here because it's too personal but if you want to know what MJ Rosenberg gets paid you can look up the IRS Form 990 for the Israel Policy Forum. They disclose his salary, as of 2006. He's not super wealthy but he's doing very well. If he's part of a two income family and his wife makes a similar amount, then they're doing very very well and would not need to be trust fund babies in order to live where they live.
July 28, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
@ destor23
The Israel Policy Forum is his newsletter?
July 28, 2008 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's the non-profit where he serves as director of policy research. He edits and writes the newsletter, I believe, as part of that job. I can assure you, the man really does work for a living.
July 28, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe it's ADD or myopia or raggedy-brain syndrome - something is interferring with Mr. Kristol's thought processes.
His America is "an America that wins its wars" (Iraq is not a war, Mr. Kristol) "that protects its unborn children" (but not necessarily its 'born' ones) "allows citizens to keep more of their hard-earned income" (your wars are very costly, Mr. Kristol, suggesting you may want to study the inception of and continuation of the income tax.)
July 28, 2008 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
kristol is in fine form today, explaining how in 1948 voters punished a "Do Nothing" Congress, and trying to compare 1948 to 2008
there is only one problem with kristol's theory
in 1948, people were pissed at the majority in congress,ie, the repuglitards
in 2008, people are pissed at the MINORITY party in congress, ie, the repuglitards
there are 23 open seats held by repuglitards, and every one of thoses seats is in play
there are 12 open seats held by Democrats, and only one is in trouble
bill kristol really sucks at drawing historic analogies
and ain't he gonna be surprised on November 6, 2008 ...
oh, and "offensive to you", you're a fucking troll, and nobody pays attention to what you got to say
I never read the shit you post ...
nuff said ???
July 28, 2008 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
@ free patriot
I never read the shit you post ...
Never? Promise? Cross your heart and hope to die?
July 28, 2008 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Free Patriot...
I think you have just said
"And that's the bottom line!"
July 28, 2008 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
M.J. that was beautiful. I have felt the frustration you expressed. I could not articulate it. I'm relieved to see that someone could. Thank you.
When I served tables, a fellow server -- a neocon -- once said to me, "Jesus is on the train from Chicago." The comment was so retarded, I didn't connect the reference. I thought, "there's no way he's trying to make THAT point (the same one Billy Boy PUBLISHED)." I gave him the benefit of the doubt. I should not have.
Again, M.J., what a skillful issue gouge. You are the man.
July 28, 2008 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hate to interject on subject when there's a serious flogging of offensivetoyou going on but Kristol criticizes the bumper sticker based on "the cheezy" Got Milk? ad. When that ad first came out I too thought it was cheezy. Regardless it became one of the most successful ad campaigns in history and it's still going strong. I'm not surprised Kristol doesn't know this and it further reinforces my belief he's a great contra-indicator. If Kristol says something there's about a 90% probability that the opposite is true. He's been consistently wrong so often I'd lay money right now we'll get that filibuster proof majority.
Now back to your regularly scheduled program.
July 28, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's just what hit me, too. What a condescending thing to say - he revealed his shriveled soul with that.
July 28, 2008 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
MJ - excellent profile of William the Bloody. Like many current Republican/Bush Base dead enders Kristol is a person obsessed and infatuated with himself.
Like Bush and his supporters, Kristol has no regrets for the ruin and death caused by this administration.
July 28, 2008 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
But those people over at Free Republic much prefer Bush to McCain and McCain to Obama. Why? They're not stupid people, especially when it comes to their pocketbook. When you factor out issues of foreign policy and race their preferences are just as strong. They believe Obama would tax them to death
Yah. You live in dreamland:
the average freerepper IS racist (maybe he doesn't wanna admit it), and very focused on kicking butt militarily, than talking and negotiating, which admittedly is harder and more complex. they think this is cowardice and whimpish.
They just vote emotionally, and i really don't see how wasting money by giving it to Halliburton in Iraq, via the US tax-dollar, is gonna get them better schools, health and roads.
Why do they do it? They got scared. They got scare mongered. If you can get people scared they'll just do about anything.
Now, neokkkon scaremongering has lead to one group, the rich (over 250 a year), becoming even more rich. Democrats might scare you about mcSame, but they got the past 8 years as living proof.
The world wasn't out to get you THEN. If it was, well, maybe you had it coming. But NOW, thanks to bush, much MORE of the world hates you. Not Americans, but STOOOPID NeoKKKon Americans.
July 28, 2008 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
@ The Coloured European Observer
I don't know what you're talking about and I doubt you do either. Regardless of their attitudes on race and foreign policy, freepers care about money...and especially their money.
July 28, 2008 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
@ The Coloured European Observer
Let me remind you that freepers had the same attitudes towards both Kerry and Gore, have the same attitudes towards the anti-war Left and the Greenies (who are almost exclusively white), the same opinions of most Democrats going back to FDR at least; they're all a bunch of jealous, cowardly, Godless, communists intent upon taking money from the industrious, the clever, the hard-working, the risk-takers.
I'd say it's you who have a really, really serious race problem.
July 28, 2008 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well then I have to take issue with your statement that most of them are intelligent, not rich and that their over-riding concern is their money. Its very easy to prove that GDP growth, Unemployment and inflation have all been better (a lot better in the case of GDP growth and Unemployment) under Democratic Presidents than under Republican Presidents over last 60 years or so.
It seems to me that intelligent people would reject a party that provides as poor a return as the Republicans have. Is that the case over in Freeperland?
July 29, 2008 3:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
@ Dave Adams
Well