There Used to Be a Ballpark Here

Years ago, Frank Sinatra sang a song essentially in tribute to the sense of loss created by the Brooklyn Dodgers moving to Los Angeles. It was about sense of community, sense of being part of a group.
Bill Bishop's Big Sort powerfully and persuasively points out that now our ballparks, our communities, are filled with fans from one team or the other. He makes the case that like-minded individuals are grouping themselves together in increasingly high percentages. There may some sort of "diversity" of demography, but diversity of opinion is too often going by the wayside.
All of this is more than unfortunate. Many of us of a certain generation were taught Political Science 101 in college using the Robert Dahl book that celebrated pluralism--the competition between points of view that resulted in the best of possible outcomes in our American democracy.
The statistics, cited by Bill Bishop, speak for themselves. But, there is far more to all of this. Who among the individuals of good will cannot be disturbed, if not offended, by an article Bishop quoted concerning the "hostile reaction from urbanites" to rural voters being more Republican than Democrat?
The editors of Seattle's alternative newspaper, the Stranger, published a widely distributed manifesto titled "The Urban Archipelago." Here is what that article said.
"Liberals, progressives, and Democrats do not live in a country that stretches from the Atlantic to the Pacific, from Canada to Mexico. We live on chain of islands. We are citizens of the Urban Archipelago, the United Cities of America. We live on islands of sanity, liberalism, and compassion...And we are the real Americans. They--rural, red-state voters, the denizens of the exurbs--are not real Americans. They are rubes, fools, and hate-mongers."
Let me guess. If I cannot have a civil exchange with one of the enlightened from urban American, this simply means they were right from the jump. All of this is not to say there is not, in addition, a reverse approach to things where conservatives, those living in rural areas, do not look at urban America as foreign territory. Too often, they do.
However, the simple fact of the matter is that the overwhelming amount of public discourse (mainstream media, Internet blogs, etc.) is dominated by a point of view that closely matches the Urban Archipelago approach to things. It is why the mainstream media has a deaf ear when someone (most especially their beloved candidate for president) proclaims faith and ownership of guns reflects a certain bitterness. It is precisely how these liberals view the world.
What is lost, what ought to count is the absence of respect for one another, for points of views different than our own. The argument becomes unattached to anything other than pre-existing point of view. "I am right. You are wrong. The reason I am right, and you are wrong, is that I want good things to happen, while you want bad things to happen. All of this, of course, is simply a matter of me being a good person, and you being a bad person."
None of this can be considered progress, except by those who are utterly confident in their own righteousness. Count me as one old, fat, bald white guy who misses the days of exchange of ideas without the ugliness of today. Count me as one who is greatly upset by the premium on anger and unwillingness to consider the point of view of those who do not agree with us. Count me as one who wishes the America Bill Bishop examined was one where pluralism reigned in more communities.




















. . . the simple fact of the matter is that the overwhelming amount of public discourse (mainstream media, Internet blogs, etc.) is dominated by a point of view that closely matches the Urban Archipelago approach to things.
Read any newspapers lately? Listened to talk radio? Been to freerepublic.com?
No? Didn't think so.
July 23, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pluralism doesn't always lead to the best outcomes. Remember the 3/5ths compromise? Sometimes you're either right or your wrong.
There are some points of view that come mostly from rural America that I'll never accept. If you don't agree that same sex couples are entitled to the same treatment under the law that heterosexual couples are, then you're a bigot, plain and simple. There's no compromise to be had there and I see no reason to respect a blatantly bigoted point of view.
If you're against a woman's right to reproductive choice then you're for imposing your will on another person's life and I have no use for you.
If you want to use tax dollars to teach Creationist nonsense like intelligent design then you're trying to use pulic coffers to impose religion on people and that's wrong.
More often than not, it's social conservatives from the countryside who want to impose their morality in the urban archipelago. Is it so wrong for us urbanites to push back? As far as I'm concerned they can go ahead and drive their pickup trucks and shoot guns, and shop at Wal-Mart all they want so long as they leave other people alone.
July 23, 2008 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I might disagree on your take here just a bit. I saw the Dodgers finally win in 55, and the team --as you indicate --was about so many important things, loyalty and progressive politics were two. Jackie was a giant to us, and when let go, the era of loyalty was over, the move to LA no surprise. But as for politics without the ugliness, that was a very ugly time in America and we rooted for Jackie because he was tough and mean in his own way. And we rooted for ourselves and gloried in Jackie kicking those racists and right wing mofos in the ass.
July 23, 2008 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quite right.
There's a word for anyone who thinks we used to be more tolerant of diversity.
Idiot.
And it's not intolerant to hate the idea of returning to those times, or to look down on those parts of the country that are nostalgic about hatred, bigotry, sexism, homophobia, and hypernationalism.
Especially when rural areas have far greater weight than they deserve in governance due to the peculiarities of the political process. I say, one person one vote, and grind those suckers under.
July 23, 2008 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
If we are really getting as extremely polarized as some suggest, then I think it means we are simply getting to a point of convergence. One side of the debate is serious trouble of losing the argument. External realities are making certain ideological beliefs impossible to maintain. When we at a point of maximum anger then maybe the true nature of the disagreement will manifest itself, and change will become possible.
July 23, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Brooklyn Go Home!
July 23, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I find it rather difficult to compromise with anyone who thinks that I'm going to spend the rest of eternity being fried like a McDonald's hamburger because I don't go to their church / temple / synagogue / mosque / whatever.
That goes far beyond hard words.
July 23, 2008 8:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Y'know, I would rather not vote at all than vote for somebody who did not share my values," Dave Kohl, a factory worker in Chillicothe, Ohio, says. "I just want somebody who shares my Christian values."
Wonder if Dave from Chillicothe is an "old, fat, bald white guy" like our Bill Greener.
July 23, 2008 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
My common complaint but I'll make it yet again:
I bet Dave from Chillicothe, whether or not he's an "old, fat, bald white guy" would muster the cajones to show up in the comments to defend himself given that the readers here have eviscerated his post.
July 24, 2008 2:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Unlike most urban areas, rural towns are diverse. One cannot have enclaves in a community of 2000. The view of small towns and rural areas as homogenous is simply wrong, and the idea that we can or should isolate ourselves from those with whom we disagree here misunderstands the interconnectedness that makes for success. In my small rural town, the same church that is putting up firewood to heat the homes of those who will almost surely be unable to buy oil this winter is an agent of bigotry. My family is working with them despite our profound disagreement about their teachings because they are doing, and the more liberal churches and institutions are not. It is important that we engage on our disagreements and support good work.
July 24, 2008 8:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your supporting a church that you outright say is bigoted because they do some other good work? Sorry to have to be critical of you but it seems like that just reinforces whatever notion the bigots have that they're good people.
July 24, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
In your world, people who disagree never accomplish anything together.
How's that workin' for ya?
December 29, 2008 3:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. Greener, where in America did you grow up? I grew up in the South in the 1960s, where the only diversity of opinion among white people was which horrible fate should befall those uppity blacks in the civil rights movement. Most of my relatives and acquaintances in my home town enjoy calling black people by other names because they know I hate it, but who insist that using the N-word for blacks doesn't mean they are racists.
Yes, I sorted myself out -- I've lived in San Francisco since 1980.
I don't see what's wrong with that.
July 24, 2008 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know what I see?
I see a guy (Greener) calling for a more substantive and civil discourse, and I see a bunch of people vilifying him for not sharing in their anger . . . in a sense, making his point for him.
I guess that is just how that works.
December 29, 2008 3:43 AM | Reply | Permalink