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Feminism and the Family


Thanks to Dana and to Kerry for their thoughtful criticisms. I think Kerry's right - we are a bit breezy in the book about the costs that would be associated with the sort of pro-family tax-and-subsidy system we have in mind, so let me take the bull by the horns and say that she's correct, up to a point: The kind of conservative agenda we have in mind would almost certainly raise the costs of being a single woman (or a single man) in America, by default if not by design. If you cut taxes on families, two-parent or otherwise, you'll end up raising taxes on the unmarried over the long run, and any sort of assistance for parents who take time off to raise their kids (one policy proposal we float in the book) would end up being paid for by people who aren't raising kids. This isn't necessarily true of all the proposals we put forward, I should note: We frame issues like health care and infrastructure policy as "pro-family" because we think families tend to be disproportionately affected by the problems in the current system, but shorter commuting times, say, or portable health insurance would be achievements that singletons and seniors as well as mothers and fathers could take advantage of. But it's true of enough of our suggestions to make Kerry's critique an appropriate one to level.

Certainly, to buy in to our thesis, you have to accept two premises: First, that a modest level of moralistic paternalism is an acceptable feature of social policy - a premise that both liberals and libertarians might reject, though perhaps for different reasons - and second, that we've reached a point in American society where the benefits of pro-family paternalism outweigh the (limited, in my view, but nonetheless real) costs such paternalism would impose on nonconformists. A big - and therefore certainly debatable - part of our argument is that the American social model, with its emphasis on socioeconomic mobility and individual freedom, depends for its strength on the democratization of cultural capital, that the biggest source of cultural capital going happens to be the two-parent family, and that the long-term future of the American experiment thus depends the continued viability of the kind of family unit that's "most appealing to social conservatives," as Kerry would put it. Viewed through this lens, pro-family policy is less a way to promote patriarchy in the short run - a largely chimerical fear, I think, especially given the modesty of much of what we're talking about - than to promote liberty in the long run.

But obviously a lot of this depends upon your view of the contemporary situation. I see the gains to personal liberty, and especially female liberty, achieved by the Sexual Revolution as robust and largely irreversable, and I think we're so far from the sort of massive stigmatization of minority behaviors that Dana and Kerry worry about - indeed, we're headed for a point where two-parent families are themselves a minority behavior - that it's appropriate for policymakers to focus on the social costs of the post-1960s revolution in mores, rather than trying to push the revolution further along. This, to partially answer Dana's critique, is why we spent so much time talking about the impact of the birth control pill: Because with the exception of some religious conservatives, the audience to whom the book is pitched - elite Republicans and liberals of good will - is accustomed to looking at the pill's social effects as an unalloyed good, and we wanted to complicate that picture a little bit, and highlight the negative externalities that the Sexual Revolution created, especially for working class Americans. And we wanted to highlight, as well, the extent to which we've reached a point where social conservative ends can be achieved through feminist means: To the extent that stable nuclear families - and flexible work schedules that allow mothers (and/or fathers) move in and out of the workplace when their kids are young - have become aspirational goods for many working-class parents, a tax-and-subsidy regime that eased the burdens on working parents promises to increase the options available to millions of American women, not diminish them. This obviously isn't a vision that would be congenial to the brand of feminism embodied by, say, a Linda Hirshman, but then I don't think much of her brand of feminism to begin with.


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But the birth control pill has nothing to do with your argument! The birth control pill didn't INCREASE the number of pregnancies by single mothers or mothers who would later get divorced; it decreased it! It made it easier for women NOT to get pregnant. The birth rate went DOWN from the 1950's to the 1970's. (Hence the "baby boom" and the "baby bust".) If you really want to reduce unwed motherhood, you would be pushing for MORE use of contraceptives, not less.

The only reason for you to bash on the birth control pill is because, as a right-wing Catholic, you think that unmarried people placing their penises in other unmarried people's vaginas offends your deity. That's what this is really about. Otherwise, why mention as a horrible thing something that actually works AGAINST the trends you bemoan?

You mean that the break down of the nuclear family among the working poor might have been caused by the lack of availability of good jobs, especially, for young high school educated workers?

Nah! Birth control's the reason. Say it loud and say it often. Birth control!

Ross,

I understand why, for economic and social reasons that you'd like the government to encourage and nurture a culture with stable nuclear families, not only for the sake of the children but for the economic benefit of the two adults involved. Couples have historically joined together as families in order to give both a leg up in life.

So, um... you have no problem with same sex couples, then? Or with same sex couples adopting or having children? Because, you know, two men or two women can help themselves and their children as well as a heterosexual couple.

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Not to disrupt your exclamation-point filled extravaganza Dilan, but the point the book makes vis-a-vis birth control is that it increased women's options by enabling more women to have sex without getting pregnant. This had many salutary effects, including the enormous strides made in the workplace, academia et..

However the increased availability of contraception did result in an increase in the number of people who never marry (23% 1960- 30% 1980). The disincentives for having sex outside of marriage were substantially reduced, if not entirely eliminated by contraception. Furthermore, those that were married were more likely to get divorced (divorce rate doubled from 1960-1980), because that was less difficult with less children (birth rate fell from 23.7 to 15.9 per thousand 1960-1980). Contraception is not 100% effective, and so the larger numbers of unmarried people having sex (incorrectly estimating the odds of contraceptive failure)resulted in an increase in illegitimacy rates. Certainly the statistics show a striking correlation between widespread availability of the pill and an increase in people who never marry, a dramatic increase in the divorce rate, and increased illegitimacy after the pill. Given that wages didn't stagnate until the early 70's, and these trends were well underway prior to that point, the correlations suggest the pill was a more significant causal factor than wages.

About those correlations...

A helluva lot changed during the Sixties and Seventies so there are bound to be many, many other things that correlate to the decrease in marriage rates and increase in divorce rates.

Sure women's contraception had an effect but looking back I would argue that lifestyle marketing by the mostly male, 30-somethings on Madison Avenue, in WGA and mass media had a much greater impact.

Mass marketing and media, not women or contraception, created the "Sexual Revolution". Now another group of affluent young males want to turn back the clock.

Anyone else weary of the adolescent male world we live in?

Personally, I think the demise of the family was all due to McDonald's and the fast food revolution -- or maybe, the 1972 introduction of Stove Top Stuffing.

Ha, ha.

In 1972, the closest McDonald's was almost two hours away and cornbread dressing is as easy to make from scratch as from an overpriced pre-mix so I didn't pay a lot of attention to those commercials. However, you know as well as I that commercials usually feature aspirational lifestyle features and settings. Personally for fast and easy food, I prefer the more recent Rice Krispie Treats commercial.

I'm a "stale bread stuffing" girl, myself, and what with all that calcium propionate and whatever else they put in it (to "retard spoilage"), you could wait forever before you could stuff your turkey. Well ---

Mama said there'd be days like this; there'd be days like this my Mama said.

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However the increased availability of contraception did result in an increase in the number of people who never marry (23% 1960- 30% 1980). The disincentives for having sex outside of marriage were substantially reduced, if not entirely eliminated by contraception. Furthermore, those that were married were more likely to get divorced (divorce rate doubled from 1960-1980), because that was less difficult with less children (birth rate fell from 23.7 to 15.9 per thousand 1960-1980). Contraception is not 100% effective, and so the larger numbers of unmarried people having sex (incorrectly estimating the odds of contraceptive failure)resulted in an increase in illegitimacy rates. Certainly the statistics show a striking correlation between widespread availability of the pill and an increase in people who never marry, a dramatic increase in the divorce rate, and increased illegitimacy after the pill. Given that wages didn't stagnate until the early 70's, and these trends were well underway prior to that point, the correlations suggest the pill was a more significant causal factor than wages.

OK, so your position is that fewer women got married because they could take contraceptives??!?!?!? That doesn't follow.

Further, that it was oral contraceptives (remember, there were always contraceptives), and not a change in social mores and legal doctrines, that led to women marrying less and divorcing more? That doesn't follow either.

And you think that because some unmarried people decided to have sex who might have remained chaste before the invention of the Pill (and remember, (1) there were plenty of contraceptives before the pill, and (2) there was plenty of premarital sex and children conceived out of wedlock in the 1950's-- ever hear the term "shotgun wedding"?), the 1 or 2 percent failure rate of those unmarried people would produce MORE pregnancies than would be produced by the straightforward use of less reliable or no contraceptives by sexually active unmarried people before the pill? That doesn't follow either.

You point to a statistical correlation, but given that the only effect that increased availability of contraception could possibly have is to REDUCE the pregnancy rate (that, after all, is the central effect of contraceptive use), it's clearly a coincidence.

Look, this is all about reversing the gains of feminism and trying to use pregnancy as a weapon to force women into line. And it's horrible.

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The birth rate has been falling for more than a century, well in advance of the introduction of the pill. Two things may have seemed to mask this -- first, immigration from cultures that took several generations to assimilate to a smaller family culture and, second, the post WWII baby boom, which is a clear aberration in the long term trend, which has now resumed its downward trajectory. So breathe deep. People can control their fertility without the pill, but the pill makes it much easier and more effective. What has changed is the normative expectation that if you get pregnant you must marry. Is that a problem? It can be. It depends. However, it is clearly a much bigger problem in U.S. than in other industrialized countries and perhaps we should be examining why THAT is instead of blaming women for choosing to have sex outside of marriage.

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Didn't Caesar Augustus try this?

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It seems to me that 'lifestyle marketing' is a pretty odd explanation for unmarried, divorce, and illegitimacy rates rising, along with a falling birth rate. Not only because I think marketing is more a reflection of the culture than a primary determinant of the culture (that's a chicken-egg type debate), but because marketing does not prevent people who have sex from getting pregnant; the pill does (in most cases).

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Mr. Douthat has yet to refute any of the criticisms of the commenters in his first post. Obviously, we the great unwashed are to be ignored as usual. That seems to be a common theme with Republicans.

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Mr. Douthat has yet to refute any of the criticisms of the commenters in his first post. Obviously, we the great unwashed are to be ignored as usual. That seems to be a common theme with Republicans.

Indeed, he did exactly the same thing on Bill Moyers.

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I can see why someone might think that the "sexual revolution" wreaks havoc on what you're calling "working class" people, especially their kids--who are the last people who should be told that it's okay to screw around by would-be do-gooders (right, just use a condom), in state sponsored educational institutions, no less.

But, I don't know why someone would think that "working class" families are *necessarily* more retro in their sex role assumptions that they'd pick a government coerced paternalistic option over a better labor market that they would navigate on their own terms.

I'm also not sure why someone would think that *anyone* would really want the federal government intentionally making it even more difficult for single people to live on their own, given that most people want to maintain their personal integrity when it comes to sex and marriage, and not just shack up because it's the only economically viable option. Personally, I think I owe that to the other party as well as myself.

You need to be able to imagine that--that not-rich people have to shack up to pay the bills. That's dehumanizing. It's also contrary to a lot of people's religious/ quasi-religious beliefs about the role of sex and love.

It's bad enough that capitalism produces this no-win situation, we don't need the government drawing its knives, too. The federal government should do one thing with its social policies: help individuals of any description live their lives with integrity.

Sure, I do think there is a place for some "paternalism," but keeping your private parts to yourself isn't against the law.

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I'm all for "family friendly" policies, whether Democrats or Republicans are supporting them. (I'd pass on the moralistic paternalism, of course. That never works.)
Ross and Reihan seems like smart, sincere people, who are no doubt arguing in good faith. But the the Republican power brokers, the Limbaughs, Delays, Cheneys, etc. are ever gonna go for this agenda. Republicanism exists to preserve white, male, pseudo-Christian, heterosexual privilege. Period. I wish good luck to those who seek to change that. But I won't hold my breath.
And I really don't understand this obsession with the pill, either. As noted above, lots of social changes occurred over that same period of time that the pill became widely used. That doesn't mean the pill caused those changes.

Where did you ever get the idea that ummarried people are not members of families? Have you ever heard of Jesus?

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"Republicanism exists to preserve white, male, pseudo-Christian, heterosexual privilege. Period. I wish good luck to those who seek to change that."

Well, in that case, either the Republican Party is a collosal failure or you have its purpose wrong. Frankly, I think it's the latter. Sure, Republicans try to play to that crowd just as the Democrats continue to more or less fraudulently take money from the labor movement, but so what?

In fact, it seems to me that the purpose of their book is to create a welfare program that addresses the people Susan Faludi talked about in "Stiffed."

I'm not buying, but that's because I think the whole welfare in lieu of vigorous economy and reinvigorated labor thing is a ditch. I'm not buying the liberal's Jacob Hacker-esque "income insurance," plans either.

It seems to me eviscerating the American workforce benefits investors who don't need to labor for a living and no one else. If these ideas fit into the Republican Party, it will be for that reason. It's an impoverishment plan.

I'm still hoping we can come up with something better than that.

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Re: Certainly the statistics show a striking correlation between widespread availability of the pill and an increase in people who never marry, a dramatic increase in the divorce rate

I cannot see any connection between people never marrying and the Pill or people getting divorced and the Pill. Surely the blame for the latter can be laid chiefly at the door of the institution of no-fault divorce. Also, let's remember that contraception did not begin with the Pill. Ever hear of condoms? Or for that matter, coitus interruptus?

Re: You need to be able to imagine that--that not-rich people have to shack up to pay the bills.

A lot of single people do "shack up" to pay the bills: it's called having roommates and it's very common.

Looks like Ross doesn't want to respond to us DFHs.

A big - and therefore certainly debatable - part of our argument is that the American social model, with its emphasis on socioeconomic mobility and individual freedom, depends for its strength on the democratization of cultural capital, that the biggest source of cultural capital going happens to be the two-parent family, and that the long-term future of the American experiment thus depends the continued viability of the kind of family unit that's "most appealing to social conservatives," as Kerry would put it.

Well this is certainly an ingenious, though very strained, attempt to reconcile the inherent contractions in the modern "conservative" movement. But you can't escape the double-think of that mixed-up, self-deceived coalition of contemporary Republicanism. You, like your co-partisans, hanker after the values and forms of life associated with traditional families and small communities, and yet you embrace the runaway individualism of classical liberalism and capitalism - American-style - with their emphases on social mobility and rootless individual freedom. Like a lot of other Republicans, you have taught yourself to believe that the formerly secure and steady mooring rocks of human communities are actually the social foundation for the aimless tumble of rolling stones that makes up American life. That's really screwed up.

It is the "American social model" itself - or rather the social model that has become the dominant one in America during the past century - that is responsible for the breakdown of traditional communities, including the family. Where contraception is concerned, I suspect you have the causal order reversed: contraception is primarily just one effect of the capitalist disruption and dissolution of traditional family life, not its cause. As liberal capitalism promotes and drives the narcissistic frenzy for the pursuit of individual pleasures and attainments, people increasingly find enduring human relationships to be burdensome. These relationships are all little anchors that hold us down in the local harbor, and prevent us from setting forth on our socially mobile voyages of individual self-realization and achievement. So individuals in advanced liberal societies demand ever more comprehensive means of liberating themselves from ties to others, and the commercial and legal engines of capitalism oblige by delivering these means to the marketplace. Contraception is just one such means.

The classical liberal tradition is all about the individual's drive to escape from the demands placed on him by other people. The extreme individualism of American life, based on the values of individual liberty, individual achievement and the individual pursuit of happiness is a moral acid that over time destroys every vestige of genuine community, of lives lived in common, and replaces them with a commercial and financial leviathan into which each atomized individual can plug himself and get by.

Traditionally-minded Americans have been telling themselves for years that the family is actually the "backbone" or "foundation" of the hyper-individualistic society of advanced post-industrial capitalism. But that's delusional. It a notion that seems to be based on some pop-cultural fantasies associated with the period of transition from agrarian and industrial forms of life to our modern life. Father might have Known Best. But he was raised in a different era and carried his doomed traditional and atavistic family values into the go-go commercialism of postwar society and economy. He raised Buzz and Princess to be good little American self-seekers, and to value "socioeconomic mobility and individual freedom" above everything else. They likely both went to college and moved far away from home. At least one of them is likely divorced. Both of them no doubt discovered that the American love of change, mobility, novelty, intermittent career-change, personal adventure and individual achievement doesn't sit well with the desire to maintain durable and happy families and communities.

By the way, families are not merely "cultural capital". If you treat them as such you are perpetuating a fraud on the genuine traditionalists in your party, and selling them a mere simulacrum of traditional values, in the service of commerce.

The automobile is much more responsible for changing sex mores than contraception. Courting behavior in America was much different before cars came along, providing mobile bedrooms for kids to experiment. Maybe you conservatives would like us to go back to the horse and buggy days.

I've always thought it was kind of bizarre the way Catholics disapprove of sex for the purpose of having fun, or even for sharing love with one's spouse. The guilt must be mind-numbing.

I wonder if Mr. Douthat could handle life as a single woman. Or life as a single woman who couldn't have access to contraceptives and therefore became a single woman with a child he couldn't afford. My guess is no, not even remotely. Lucky for him and the rest of the privileged-who-pretend-they're-working-for-everyone, he gets to be the pater figure in the paternalism. Much easier to stomach that way.

Blech.

And for the record, I prefer individual, tax-payer, human being, or citizen to "singleton," not only because all of those words sound less like "simpleton," but also because I DO have a family (like everybody else!) Having babies shouldn't be the only way to understand that word. But this obviously isn't a vision that would be congenial to the brand of unintentional but nonetheless selfish assholism embodied by, say, him, but then I don't think much of his brand of assholism to begin with.

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How come all these so-called externalities allegedly associated with the pill are not found in Europe?

Okay, snark aside, I don't have a big problem with family friendly social and tax policy PROVIDED THAT -- it is friendly to families headed by single parents; it is friendly to families that are responsible for dependents who are not necessarily children; and it balances income ranges so that well to do families are not favored at the expense of less well to do singles.

In other words, it shouldn't just be a reward for doing the daddy + mommy + baby = perfection dance.

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Catholic anti-sex wackos are simply ridiculous. The most important thing in the world today are the tools to control fertility. All of the catholic wacko nutso ideas about the birth derth and all that crap are nonsense. We have 6 billion people in the world, and by 2025, we will have 8 billion and by 2040 we will have 12 billion.

We need to reduce our fertility. Abortion is a sacred tool to do this, as is birth control medication.

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