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Uprisings: Bottom Up and Top Down

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I think it was the British comedian Alexei Sayle who used to do this routine riffing off of Tracy Chapman's song about revolution. He'd play it for awhile, and then stop it suddenly right when Tracy was singing "there's a revolution coming." And he'd shout, in a very uppercrust accent, "No, there's not!"

I thought about that when I read David's post, but he's the guy that's been going around with his ears close to the ground, and he's got very acute hearing for this kind of thing. So if says something is percolating, I believe him.

Lord knows people have great reasons to be very unsatisfied with the status quo, and I don't just mean the current state of affairs. It's not just that we're mired in war, our benighted markets are failing (think recession, income distribution, financial meltdown, underpricing environmental damage), and so on. It's that the status quo offers no clear way out.

Though uprisings are by definition grass rootsy, at some point, government solutions are invoked, and this is what I'd like to comment on in this post. To telegraph the punchline: a key challenge facing progressives interested in real change is fixing government failures.

Think back to your own involvement in movements. Over the years, I've agitated for union rights, animal rights, immigrant rights, gun control, voting rights, abortion rights, and so on. In every single case, we were advocating for government intervention.

I was younger then, and I basically thought that if our movement was successful, government could pass a law that would fix things. Now, I know it's not that simple.

David is obviously writing about bottom-up uprisings, in many cases, movements that are a reaction to government failure. But in my experience, these groups eventually are demanding that the government alter its policies. So we've got to think on both bottom-up and top-down tracks.

And the problem for the top-down track is that government is in big trouble. I'm speaking at the federal level, but let's not get too romantic about local cases. I haven't seen much evidence that Albany works that much better than DC.

There are lots of reasons for this, but certainly one of the main ones is that if you elect people who explicitly prophesize that government is the problem, they will fulfill that prophecy with a vengeance. And yes, they'll enrich their cronies along the way.

The problem cuts deep into the agencies. Do you have any idea what the Labor Department has been doing, or not doing, over the past eight years? It is truly, deeply scary. They've been failing to enforce basic labor standards regarding wages, overtime, worker classifications, and safety and health rules? What about the Justice Department; EPA, Consumer Safety? The depth of dysfunction is astounding, and it's going to take years to repair.

David reminds us that our country was founded partly on "the right of the people to alter or abolish" destructive government. I'm in the "alter" camp, and I'd like to hear someone with David's insights and movement experience hold forth on what it's going to take to get there. What steps ought we be taking now that will ultimately give progressive uprisings a public conduit through which their goals can be achieved?


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" I'm in the "alter" camp, and I'd like to hear someone with David's insights and movement experience hold forth on what it's going to take to get there."

Well, see, I think in terms of the things that are most ailing us right now, I don't think the grass roots has any clue. In fact, 1960s social issues aside, it seems to me that the primary means of provoking real change around here have involved literal blood shed in the labor movements and elite reforms provoked by the systemic failure of the 1929 market collapse and the depression.

And, other than the civil war and the revolution, that's about it. Voting rights? I don't know. In the 19th century Catharine Beecher said woman suffrage didn't interest her, because economic independence was where it was really at. I think she exaggerated, but still had point. "The vote" may be symbolic.

TODAY, I don't think our populists OR our political elites on the inside of the current financial crisis have the stomach for what they'd need to do. Who is going to stand up to the corruption embodied in the likes of Hank Paulson, and his plan to make the Treasury the bank that bails out the next Street scam and call that regulation?

Unless someone is going to tell me they're much nicer today, and they'll just fold. But I don't think so, watching the parade of Fed related personages holding forth on CNBC today.

The crisis is still entirely the fault of liars lying on their loan applications and government programs fostering lower income housing and, by the way, if you push too much, business will go abroad. TODAY, that's what they want.

It's just astounding. Did you know Jamie Dimond runs the country, now? To my mind, it's going to take government intervention, and I don't think the grass roots even knows what to ask them to do.

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Yes, JTFaraday, I am going to have to agree with you. I might add that while I share Sirota's viewpoints and yearn for a serious shift in this country, I am afraid that our citizenry is not capable of demanding it, at this point.

Call me a million names, but most American's are suffering rather than prospering but the bloated, inuring quality of modern capitalism and American democracy seem to have rendered the American citizen too distanced from one another to truly avail themselves of their supposed rights to fight back.

I fear (sorry for the melodrama) that most Americans are not only losing--and may know what ails them--but does not know how or where or to whom to turn. As a result, we do not seem to have a very engaged citizenry, which poses a problem when trying to tackle plutocracy.

Outside of a serious shift in the distribution of wealth--which will certainly not transpire barring a much greater recession--I do not see the coalitions forming right now as promising. For the most part, the netroots is a movement that seeks to merely act as boosters of Democratic political candidates without any greater concern for the truth or true political alteration. And the recent Obama craze almost goes without saying, with its insistence on speaking about change with little concern for accountability to that "change," or real push for systemic change.

One can only hope...

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There are lots of reasons for this, but certainly one of the main ones is that if you elect people who explicitly prophesize that government is the problem, they will fulfill that prophecy with a vengeance.

Along the same line, when did expectations about government turn to a bottom line measured by efficiency instead of effectiveness? (Except in defense spending, of course.) The President as CEO instead of leader has now managed to fail both measures, but I'm not sure even that has changed the conversation.

Isn't the conventional wisdom based on the idea that where either capitalism or democracy flourish, the other will soon follow? In the US at least, it seems like democracy dropped out of the race, leaving businesses to make the rules. Of course, they are the ones with a public conduit through which their goals can be achieved.

I have no idea how to get the democratic voices heard, but it seems reasonable that campaign finance reform would provide a start. I know, in my dreams.


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I am with you we do need to "alter" the goverment, we need a clean slate. Maybe things will change with the new administration. And least the new president elect has a vision to where he wants to take us.

Regards,
NellyB

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I think that there are great times for america right now with the new president Barack Obama. I think that he has trust of many people and he seems to me that he is much more suitable than Bush.

MikeCrane

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we need a clean slate. Maybe things will change with the new administration.

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