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Kidding! We kid the Obama people! We kid because we love! Ha-ha. We wouldn't vote for Nader if he peed a Starbucks double shot espresso roast with syrup and ice. As for Gabby Hayes, don't even ask.

But we are concerned. You could call us the campaign concern troll. Maybe we should start our own Obama Facebook group. Some sh*t really needs to be trolled, so a trolling we will go. Merrily we troll along. The object of our disaffection tonight is one Anthony Lake, who tries to make clear that the Obama Administration will be ready to go to war with Iran, if need be. Those last three words can bring us to a world of hurt.

Lake hypes the threat of a nuclear-armed Iran. Is that a threat like, say, a nuclear-armed Communist China? North Korea? Islamicist-infested Pakistan? Those threats seem to remain at a low simmer. For Iran, however, possession of a nuclear weapon is not strictly required. Getting "on the edge of developing" one -- Lake's words -- is sufficient cause for alarm.

Now the hallmark of the Obama foreign policy is to free our mindset, our ass will follow. What exactly is the old mindset? More than ever, I really want to know. Apparently it is the importance of employing diplomacy and sanctions to shift Iranian policy, assuming there is a policy to shift in the first place. Opinions differ on the commitment of Iran to getting nukes, though it seems to working out well for North Korea.

The power of sanctions seems iffy. Sanctions didn't prevent an invasion of Iraq. They haven't led Cuba to wave the white flag. Israel has been subject to sanctions, no weak knees over there. Burma, no dice. On the other hand they seem to have had some impact on South Africa. In this case, the disinterest of our allies in the EU, let alone other non-trivial nations around the world, makes sanctions that much more dubious.

What is clear about sanctions is that they demonize their object for the entertainment of the home folks. That makes it easier to move to the next level. We are already being desensitized to the use of covert operations -- also known as acts of war, thus far an undeclared one.

Then we have this bit:

[Lake] stressed that Mr Obama, even after withdrawing troops from Iraq over 16 months, as he has promised, would maintain "a residual presence for clearly defined missions". These would include military training and "preparedness to go back in if there are specific acts of genocidal violence"

Residuals can be any size. If you subtract one from a thousand, the residual is 999. And there is also the interesting formulation, "specific acts of genocidal violence." The only example of the latter that makes sense is when the Death Star obliterated Alderaan. It takes a lot of acts to make a genocide. What's really meant is that specific acts that are merely brutal and heinous can be assigned the status of a casus belli.

Lake continues:

"That is not 'cut and run and let's just see what happens'," Mr Lake said. "It seems to me a very responsible strategy."

So it seems that Lake believes the Bush Administration was correct that somebody -- we should ask Lake who -- was propagating 'cut and run.'

And finally -- because I have to get up in seven hours -- there is this:

Highlighting a parallel with his first posting as assistant to Henry Cabot Lodge, a US ambassador to 1960s Saigon, he said: "It is common sense that we could not leave Vietnam successfully unless we left behind a government in Saigon that could govern successfully.

"It seems obvious in retrospect; it was not obvious enough to too many politicians at the time. In Iraq it's the same problem."

Here you have a formula for one hundred years in you-know-where. Those are my concerns. I'm voting Obama, in a concerned way.


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Likewise...very concerned indeed. But there are no other options now. People have said Obama is running towards the center now that the nomination is secured. I see it as the "real Obama" showing up after his 'run to the left' to get the D's nomination. I am feeling a bit duped but I'll probably get over it.

Does the Obama camp really believe all the policy changes will help him in the GE campaign? He is potentially is gonna get picked apart by McBush on these "I've changed my mind" positions (I refuse to say the F-F thing). So now we have "domestic spying is ok', "we're gonna have to stay in Iraq for a while longer" and "attacking Iran is firmly on the table". What's next? An attack on Roe v. Wade?

BTW...love you posts. Anyone who can get a Funkadelic reference in their posts is...ummmmm...errrrr...well somebody I would like to hear more from at least. :-P

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I am still torn as to how everyone thought Obama was such a leftist.

Did I not get the correct kool-aid dosage?

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Well probably because so many who call themselves progressives support him. Right from the get go he was described as a centrist candidate...not much difference between him and Hillary on the positions from what I recall. I have always viewed him as someone from the political center.

But the FISA thing really bothers me. For me it is bell weather issue that I use as an indicator about any candidate's true political philosophy. And I am very troubled that is willing to allow domestic spying in violation of the law. And I don't care if he changes his mind back to not supporting the FISA compromise...he has already shown his willingness to make the wrong decision on important issues.

But even though he is not 'left' I still thought he would be a figure of 'change'. The FISA position flies in the face of change.

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Obama reversing his reverse on the FISA amendment now that it’s a sure thing would be the height of hypocrisy and political disaster. He wouldn’t be just a flip flopper but a flop flipper, too. I don’t think he was playing to Reagan Democrats or leaning conservatives and independents with this anyway. Seems more like playing to the Beltway insider establishment.

Obama reversing his reverse...

That would be just a double reverse to Republicans like Jack Kemp.

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I agree Don. No turning back now. If he tries the issue will haunt him all the way to November. As it is I think it will haunt him all the way to November.

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Libertine, I think we now know why Obama didn't talk too specifically about his policies during the Democratic primary. It wasn't that he didn't have any policies as some suggested, it was just that he knew his policies wouldn't be popular with all those young folks who were sending in those $20 checks and showing up at caucuses.

Once again, Clinton gets it right--America Eats It's Young.

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Yeah I hear you Purple State. I kept hearing "he doesn't want to tip his hand (or a similar cliche) for the general election campaign" about his lack of specifics. Now I see the genius of it...he didn't want to tip his hand to Democratic primary voters. The perfect "stealth candidate".

Like I said on another thread...he might have second thoughts about opting out of public financing. If he thinks that his new found positions, where he abandons his core supporters who represented the lion's share of contributions, will be excused he is sorely mistaken.

And all if would have taken to have avoided this problem is something like this;

"I will not support the FISA compromise. While protecting America's security is of paramount importance it can and needs to be done within the law. When elected I will pass legislation that will ensure America's security is protected without violating American's 4th amendment rights."

But instead we got..."this compromise is the best that can be hoped for so I will support it."

O, get over it.

Damn leftists, heh heh heh.

Obama is the more clear-headed of the two running.

'Kay?

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"Damn leftists"? People say I resemble that remark, lol.

Yeah, yeah, yeah I will still support him but I am not gonna accept any premise that his FISA position is a good one...ever. ;-)

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No, it isn't.

Obama has some fences to mend

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If they can be. I Agree with Don Key, I don't see how he can back away from the position he has now staked out on FISA.

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Oh and btw...no party for me this weekend workerbee. I had a guy quit on me last Friday with no notice so I get to work tomorrow (8 hours) and an all day 12 hour shift on Saturday. I just wanted to let you know I didn't forget about the invite I extended...just other stuff reared its ugly head. :(

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Anthony Lake is just one of many foreign policy advisers Obama has designated.
I believe Susan Rice has the candidates ear on all major issues, and Samantha Power will be rehabilitated as soon as it's expedient.
These are pretty cool heads; don't read too much into the thinking expressed by a single member of Obama's advisory panel.
I'm sure as president he'll sound out Brzezinski and Allbright bright, too -- then make his own decisions. That's all you can ask.
And it's 100 times better than what happens now.

That his economic team has several neo-liberal aka free market economists on staff is bothersome. Obama keeps moving right of center and is working hard to pickup the 23%ers who vote based on sound bites not intelligence. Since he wrapped up the Dem nomination, he can cast progressives to the back of the bus and keep us there.

Being the only candidate who dared to campaign on sitting at the negotiating table with our designated enemies, we are now learning that he will also brandish the big stick at the table. I strongly suspect even Nader would get it.

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Maybe Obama's residual force could attack Iraq in order to address a genocidal act that would occur as a result of our attack (see Kosovo example).

I'm not so convinced that I'm voting for Obama. I might have to come to terms with the fact that I'm a Democrat in state and local politics but no party represents me at the national level. Such is life.

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Gee, did Anthony Lake mean Obama intends to have a garrison there for 100 years in case the civil war heats up?

Obama has to move to the Center in his political rhetoric so he doesn't end up like Karen Silkwood and other corporate whistle blowers. McCain doesn't have to do too much because the MSM is doing it for him. As long as Obama doesn't say anything "progressive", the MSM leaves him alone. (the most recent example was the flap over Gen Wesley Clark's comments).

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Write in Feingold.

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Right!

That'll help.

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