The Conservatives' Conundrum -- and Ours
What has gotten into George Packer? In Blood of the Liberals he undertook a wrenching examination of American liberalism's agonies and ironies; and in The Assassin's Gate and his play Betrayed, he bore searing, humbling witness to the ordeals of Americans and Iraqis who wouldn't have written for themselves.
Yet Packer's New Yorker account of "The Fall of Conservatism" gives us only voices of people who make their livings making phrases that describe and influence that vast majority of Americans who don't make their livings that way.
Since I, too, turn phrases for money and political deliverance, I count it a gift of the gods. But I was always under the impression that writers in a democracy should help non-writing people to speak for themselves, not just have them spoken about.
That should be so even in the New Yorker, which exists to present the American people to bemused collectors of unearned income and Steuben glass and to the intelligent recent college graduate who for some reason wants to be like them and is therefore seeking "the most comfortable and least compromising attitude he can assume toward capitalist society without being forced into actual conflict," as the critic Robert Warshow once wrote about the typical reader of... yes, the New Yorker.
I don't see how anyone can assess conservatism's travails without confronting readers seriously with some of the new twists in capitalism, but Packer manages it by talking mainly to members of the chattering classes. They would be the last to tell us that conservatives can't reconcile their demands for ordered, civic-republican liberty with their impotence amid riptides of laissez faire capitalism that distort and disrupt every tradition they cherish.
There is plenty of unpaid, unpublished testimony about this out there, yet Packer talks to virtually no one who is actually trying to hold American conservatism together in a church basement, polling station, think-tank boiler room or even executive suite.
Instead, we hear Pat Buchanan, David Frum, David Brooks, George Will, David Brooks, Sam Tanenhaus, David Brooks, Ross Douthat, and Reihan Salam, an editor, with Douthat, at The Atlantic who once worked for David Brooks. (As you may have guessed, Packer quotes Brooks far more often than anyone else.)
There are also quotations from the work of advocacy historians Rick Perlstein and Sean Wilentz and from conservative politicians, living and dead. But I find only the equivalent of a photo op (politicians call it a "drop in") with actual non-writing conservatives -- in Martin County, Kentucky, where Packer was watching John McCain give a speech.
Packer makes some interesting observations about conservative politicos' talent for displacing people's pains into resentments of others, but he seems especially keen to reopen polite (or not-so-polite) liberal society to Brooks. That highly intelligent and peculiarly serpentine writer has charmed and misled many good people I know, and Packer lets him slide sinuously away from much of what he has written in the Times and in conservative publications for nearly two decades.
It can be interesting and even admirable to follow a sea-change in one's own or someone else's thinking, but when Packer wrote that "Brooks left movement journalism and, in 2003, became a moderately conservative columnist for the Times," I sensed immediately that on reading further I would be assisting at the embarrassing, wrenching political makeover and public repositioning which Brooks has been attempting for two years now from his pew in the bare, ruined choir that is the paper's op ed page.
"I feel estranged" from conservatism; "I don't feel it's true, fundamentally true," Brooks tells Packer, who catches the pass, explaining, for Brooks, that "In the eighties, when he was a young movement journalist," conservatives' "attacks on regulation and the Soviet Union seemed 'true'. Now most conservatives.... are stuck in the past, in the dogma of limited government. Perhaps for that reason," Packer advises us, Brooks, the endearingly passionate truth-seeker, has moved on.
But has he? Or is he just pirouetting? Soon after joining the Times in 2003 Brooks gave a long, ingratiating interview to George Gurley of The New York Observer, replete with his typically stagey self-deprecations and stand-up comic lines about being a pitiable conservative idealist, marooned at snarky liberal dinner parties in Washington and New York.
Brooks told Gurley that as a liberal student he'd been crushed by Milton Friedman in a debate and had realized then that there were other ways of looking at the world. Gurley asked Brooks if he could "ever become a leftist again."
"Sometimes I do think that," he said. "If I was with the Nation left, I'd be depressed. If I was with the centrist-Joe Lieberman left, I'd be happy." With that, the interview ended, to be continued by George Packer five years later.
I myself had some hopes for Lieberman as Al Gore's running mate back in 2000, but Brooks wasn't casting any shy, admiring glances then at that "centrist Joe-Lieberman left." He was busy being a movement journalist for George Bush and his running mate, Dick Cheney.
As late as last year, our supposed apostate from conservative journalism was still busy defending Karl Rove and Scooter Libby. It was Lieberman who had moved Brooks' way after 9/11, when both became early advocates of war with Iraq. But Lieberman is no longer received in polite New Yorker society. So why is Brooks?
Because he is more thoughtful than political, in Packer's estimation. Packer reports his expectation that only after conservatives "big defeat" this November will they undertake any serious re-thinking: "I have not yet seen the major think tanks reorient themselves.... You go to Capitol Hill - Republican senators know they're fucked.... But they don't know what to do. There's a hunger for new policy ideas."
That may be true, but what, really, are Brooks' new ideas? He'll tell you that he's more a "comic sociologist" or "cultural anthropologist" than a policy analyst; and that's true, too. But what does that portend for Packer's subject? Might Brooks abandon the idea-less John McCain? In 2004, he worked mightily to re-elect the idea-less and dangerous Bush, lampooning the long lines of Volvo-driving liberal consultants queuing up to shape John Kerry's "brain of sculpted marshmallow."
In an unforgettable Washington Monthly essay in June of that year, Nicholas Confessore detailed Brooks' maddening habit of oscillating between hard-nosed journalism and conservative-movement hackery. In the first kind of column, Confessore noted, Brooks will do some serious reporting or chin-stroking, sounding for all the world like a disinterested public savant. In the next, he'll gyrate and propagandize shamelessly for movement conservatives, the Bush administration, or both.
I've done a little research on this myself. In 2004, Brooks complained that from the start of the Iraq War, "Chicken Littles like Ted Kennedy... were ranting that Iraq is another Vietnam," and "Pundits and sages were spinning a whole series of mutually exclusive disaster scenarios: Civil war! A nationwide rebellion!" Brooks urged Americans to "get a grip" and trust the warmakers, not their critics.
Yet two years later, Brooks revealed the opposite -- that while "Everybody denigrates pundits and armchair generals, the smartest of them recognized as early as 2004 that the US was ... in the first days of a guerrilla war" and that "it was time to shelve the rosy scenarios." Brooks excoriated not the Chicken Littles this time but Donald Rumsfeld and Tommy Franks and other butt-covering insiders for seeing nothing fundamentally wrong in 2004 and for refusing to heed the critics.
Yet Brooks himself had been denigrating those same critics at that time on behalf of the insiders, calling Kennedy "to the left of [Syria's] Bashr Al Assad" for doubting progress in Iraq. This year, he wrote, in the portentous manner he reserves for his highest hypocrisies, that Kennedy "has served [the Senate] with more distinction than anyone else now living." Brooks didn't explain why -- or even that -- he'd changed his mind.
Like a weather vane snapping back and forth in a storm, Brooks produced wildly varied columns throughout the 2006 campaigns. One touted Barack Obama's deliberative mind and Periclean prospects. Another defended right-wing pro-life zealot Rick Santorum as a philosopher king whose "discussion of the philosopher Alasdair MacIntyre... is as sophisticated as anything in Barack Obama's recent book."
In another 2006 column Brooks heralded the end of ideology and piously urged a new civility in public discourse, while yet another column demonstrated his mastery of such discourse by characterizing Ned Lamont's "vicious," "Sunni-Shiite style of politics," whose "flamers... tell themselves their enemies are so vicious they have to be vicious, too." In an election post-mortem, Brooks crowed that Lieberman had "defeated the scion of the Daily Kos net roots, Ned Lamont."
All this variety isn't intelligent complexity, much less comity. It's sophistry, driven by an odd desperation which Packer airbrushes away.
To his credit, Brooks was rattled deeply by conservatives' incompetence and cynicism in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, and the Republican Party's bottomless corruption, not least in Iraq, demoralized him. But Packer says nothing about this. He doesn't ask Brooks to account for his constant backing and forthing.
Reading on in his article, I couldn't help thinking of Packer and Brooks as monkeys grooming each another in a corner of the Chattering Classes' Zoo. An endearing image, no doubt, but why would anyone rely on monkeys who are grooming each other for insights into what has become of the conservative movement?
Perhaps Packer means to signal that this is what has become of it, all this stroking and stoking of emotions with phrase-turning instead of policymaking, a pattern that goes back, he tells us, to Buchanan's shrewd political advice to Richard Nixon. Even New Yorker readers deserve better, though, and with more due diligence, Packer wouldn't have given Brooks the floor without making him account more truly for his thinking as well as his movement's.
Doing that might have yielded some insights into the conflict between civic-republican conviction and escapist corporate-consumption that is raging not only within conservatism but also within liberalism and, indeed, within the American soul. Pending a deeper reckoning, most of our writers will remain in the default position sketched well in Robert Warshow's observation, in 1947:
"The New Yorker has always dealt with experience not by trying to understand it but by prescribing the attitude to be adopted toward it. This makes it possible to feel intelligent without thinking, and it is a way of making everything tolerable, for the assumption of a suitable attitude toward experience can give one the illusion of having dealt with it adequately. The gracelessness of capitalism becomes an entirely external phenomenon, a spectacle that one can observe without being touched - above all, without feeling really threatened."


OK, you're both pundits. Way to belabor two grafs for nothing. Followed by umpteen further grafs of navel spelunking.
Sleeper's gift is to make Bob Novak seem an original thinker, Tom Friedman seem exacting and factual, and both are positively laconic by comparison.
June 18, 2008 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
btw, I'm neither a doctor nor Bill Frist, but I have to wonder if Sleeper's thyroid has been medically checked out recently.
In all sincerity, he reminds me of another writer. The simplest discussion with him was guaranteed to be endlessly and needlessly filigreed and obscure, like his writing. Aesop's Fables could have been intercut with them and nobody would have noticed. His mind still worked, he loved language, but he just rambling and was unfocused.
He spoke slowly and even his laugh went "ha (pause) haha (pause) ahem" with breaths in between. It drove people around him, including his family, absolutely bonkers.
Then, his thyroid condition was diagnosed and he began medication. Bang. Overnight a changed person. Easily took 20 years off his perceived age.
June 19, 2008 12:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
The next ideas are easy to find.
1) True social libertarianism. You can do anything you want so long as you're a consenting adult and are not directly harming somebody who doesn't or can't dissent. This means the legalization of all victimless crimes.
2) Economic justice. The government doesn't let people suffer at the whims of uncaring markets, ever.
That's it. The two new ideas that both liberals and conservatives need to really move things forward.
June 18, 2008 10:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
These seem like deeply incompatible impulses to me destor23. When people are free to do whatever they want so long as they are not directly hurting others, what they end up doing are a lot of things that accumulate to generate very significant indirect harms. Included among these behaviors are patterns and systems of production and exchange that are those very uncaring, whimsical markets of which you speak.
That unregulated activity naturally leads to high levels of variegation and inequality among human beings. Social and economic equality are not the natural conditions of human beings left to their own devices, anymore than well-ordered arrangements of flowers and hedges of equal height and health are the natural result of untended and unmanaged plant growth.
There are some large social purposes and achievements, and kinds of individual human excellence and flourishing, that can't be expected to just emerge from the weakly regulated hubbub of individual human being pursuing their own individual whims. To achieve these purposes, human activity needs to be rationally ordered toward deliberately chosen ends, and it needs to be regulated and governed since people don't stick to large and complex plans when they are left to follow their whims and individual interests without any measure of coercion. To cultivate and achieve the highest levels of existence of which human beings are capable, you need social arrangements in which people don't always get to do what they want to do, even if they would not be directly hurting others by doing those things.
June 19, 2008 12:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Right. Those are the problems, and there are plenty others.
Destor suggests "true social libertarianism." Well he's libertarian leaning. But what does that mean? Who knows? It's truly hollow sloganeering. People's liberties can't be so easily disentangled. some like Ron Paul, most think he's goofy.
There's no bumper sticker solution to today's complex and interwoven problems.
We truly are heading into a "post ideological" era where issues must be hashed out and dealt with practically, rather than as part of grand ideological movements of intellectually laziness.
June 19, 2008 12:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't agree that we're in a "post idealogical" era. But even saying so seems like the very "hollow sloganeering" that you're accusing me of.
June 19, 2008 8:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, what I just said is we're heading into a post ideological era i.e. we're not entirely there. But, generally, yes, we're moving past some of the ideological divides that dominated the 20th century where a single word, such as libertarianism, capitalism, socialism, etc was automatically the answer to all problems for various advocacy groups.
You say that's also just a slogan, which is pretty obtuse, and seems to indicate you don't know what the term means.
Post ideological essentially means pragmatic. Pragmatism is a means of analysis, not a cookie cutter solution the way ideologies such as "laissez faire" or "marxism" are.
In fact, most of the developed world is far more post ideological and pragmatic, having both more developed social programs where appropriate, and more vigorous market competition where appropriate. Such as Europe's various healthcare plans, while also more vigorously prosecuting anti-trust such as cases against Microsoft, while also subsidizing industries in the national interest while heavily regulating them, such as French nuclear power generation and regional organic farming.
Personal favorite examples of pragmatism are South Korean deployment of broadband, or European wireless standardization. Both leap frogged US networks via of combination of standardization, rapid deployment with subsidies to initially nurture the grwoth of a self sustaining profitable industry generating tax revenue and with robust competition to maintain long term competativness and innovation. European cellular and S Korean broadband leapfrogged us with such smart polices.
That's a great example of post ideological solutions which bring various elements together towards a common goal, finding enormous optimizations in the details. As a metaphor, ideologically we're moving from the bronze age (where everything was bronze) to the alloys and composites age where you invent the material for the job if need be.
June 19, 2008 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem with that Kozmik is that FIRST you have to identify what the problem is and in order to do that you have to look at the world through some, even if feeble, ideological/moral lens.
You seem to believe that there is some obvious ( to you) way things should be and it is only because all these navel gazers (as you call them) detract from the obvious and introduce complexity where there is none, that things just don't get done.
June 19, 2008 5:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, I don't agree with that. In fact I think it's compeltely backwards.
Basic goals are rather obvious. The work is almost entirely in getting there.
At the founding of the US there were many obvious and shared goals. However, there was also a great deal of disagreement. Only by hashing out matters were they eventually able to proclaim they were unified in support of "liberty, justice, equality" and define those terms. Prior to that, they were empty phrases just as easily claimed by the British.
And the definition of "liberty, justice, equality" are continually changing so that each generation may buy in to them.
Our most fundamental goal as a democracy remains to do whatever a majority of people consider good, after factoring in debate, consensus, common interest, long term and secondary implications, etc. One has to look at issues on an individual basis and deal with complexity FIRST.
Injecting the language of ideology, such as "libertarianism" tends to reduce issues to slogans, often doing more harm than good. Often producing policies counterproductive to stated goals, having failed in due diligence. It's a form of intellectual laziness.
For example, libertarianism and laissez faire ideologically endorses "free markets" supposedly for the promotion of liberty. In fact, wholly "free" and deregulated markets promote concentration of power and wealth, undermining liberty immensely with centers of capital power soon becoming coercive oligarchies. NAFTA for example has resulted in a concentration of wealth and undermined the bargaining power of labor, and hence undermined quality of life issues like economic security and education, which are ultimately vital to securing democracy and liberty.
The mirror image being the ideology of communism, supposed to promote equality by sharing everything. In reality of course it also quickly becomes coercive and produces totalitarianism.
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As I was saying earlier, various ideologies are a bit like the stone age or iron age. Pragmatic solutions to problems are more like polymers and alloys. We can't simply recommend stone or iron for all projects, especially not when we have the capability to tailor make alloys and polymers to fit the job.
Only disingenuous purveyors of iron and stone would recommend them as solutions to all problems, seeking to short circuit the process.
June 19, 2008 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Though, that's getting rather out there, beyond the stratosphere, into the rarefied air which Jim Sleeper inhabits.
I don't think seat belts, or environmental dumping and degradation, or regulating accounting practices to prevent ENRON, are really all that hard to grok. Regulating trade so countries like China aren't allowed to wage economic war upon us by dumping large quantities of goods at cut prices to undermine our economy, while US companies sell us out, it's not that hard to understand.
June 19, 2008 1:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not sure what you mean. I thought the ideas I was expressing were fairly commonplace, so if they seem too "out there" I must not have expressed them clearly enough.
Here is the central claim, re-expressed:
It is possible for a group of people to live in such a way that, though no individual in the group ever directly harms another individual, the sum total of their activity nevertheless (i) produces significant social harms or evils affecting many people, and (ii) fails to produce some very significant social and individual goods that could otherwise have been produced had the behavior of the members of the group been more highly regulated and directed.
Thus, in order to achieve the best society we can reasonably hope to achieve, it is not enough to follow the libertarian prescription of prohibiting only those activities in which some people directly harm some other people. There are some important goods that can only be achieved, end evils that can only be avoided, through human coordination and cooperation on a scale that requires rational long-term planning and organization, and some measure of coercive government.
June 19, 2008 8:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Right, i got your point. I'm just saying that we shouldn't get to "out there" talking about optimizing society in highbrow theoretical talk.
Most of this stuff is actually pretty common sense. If anything we've let sophistic ideological debates muddy the waters too much, producing enormous log jams. Issues are tough enough without dragging ideological baggage into them.
For example, South Korea wanted, and got, a top notch broadband internet deployment fulfilling these goals:
1) privately owned and operated so it's not government's headache
2) thriving and fair market competition so as to promote innovation and consumer choice
3) promoting egalitarianism via widespread deployment and availability at affordable rates.
4) generating tax revenue, stimulating growth, and promoting quality of life.
5) to leapfrog competitors.
6) long term sustainability and promoting innovation.
All of those goals, pretty much no brainers. Socialists might debate #1, and there are some economic arguments for natural monopolies, but a clear majority would probably not have it be the governments job, at least not while it's such an innovative industry relying on bottom>up intellectual ferment. The rest, really not debated amongst the vast majority of folks.
If you look at how SKorea accomplished those goals, that's the interesting part.
They did so with a rather beautiful and elegant combination of policies from a post ideological tool box. Some regulatory and subsidy measures borrowed the benefits of a command economy. The innovation and competition of markets was fully tapped and any anti-competitive efforts squashed. National interest goals, both social and economic, overlapped and were jointly accomplished for the long term prosperity.
Frankly, it's a truly beautiful and elegant solution they chose. That's the sort of policies we need. And that's what we used to be capable of, taking the space program for example.
June 19, 2008 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dan, I of course agree with you that social and economic inequality aren't natural states. But I don't think that an ideal of social freedom and economic equality are necessarily at odds.
I'm talking about truly letting people do what they want sexually, artistically, aesthetically and then just making sure that people have access to the country's wealth and resources.
Seems like you could legalize all victimless crimes and make the tax code more progressive and be mostly there.
June 19, 2008 9:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm talking about truly letting people do what they want sexually ...
Does that include having babies with whomever they want, and under any circumstances they want?
June 19, 2008 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I'm fine with people having babies (or not having babies) with whomever they want so long as they're consenting adults.
June 19, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Destor
That's "Old Left" thinking in my opinion.
Obama gave a Father's Day speech in which he pretty forcefully stated that having babies any fool can do. What is required is being a father and bringing up those babies to become productive and responsible human beings.
We--whose inclinations are progressive--need to abandon the notion that total individual liberty can and should coexist with a just society. Unfortunately human nature has a dark side that needs to be kept in check.
So I'm saying that we should be aiming at maximizing the better angels in our nature and discouraging the demons. It is an essential task civilization. If you want total freedom for the individual you have to go all the way and be an anarchist.
It is a matter of balance. Where to strike it is the trick.
June 19, 2008 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wouldn't even call it "old left" so much as just good ole intellectual laziness, and rather ideological unthinking.
June 19, 2008 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Destor
That's "Old Left" (re. our time) thinking in my opinion.
Obama gave a Father's Day speech in which he pretty forcefully stated that having babies any fool can do. What is required is being a father and bringing up those babies to become productive and responsible human beings.
We--whose inclinations are progressive--need to abandon the notion that total individual liberty can and should coexist with a just society. Unfortunately human nature has a dark side that needs to be kept in check.
So I'm saying that we should be aiming at maximizing the better angels in our nature and discouraging the demons. It is an essential task of civilization. If you want total freedom for the individual you have to go all the way and be an anarchist.
It is a matter of balance. Where to strike it is the trick.
June 19, 2008 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have followed your comments for several years now and had no idea you were such an authoritarian or such a visionary. Large social purposes? Rationally-ordered human activity? Coercion to follow large and complex plans? Shades of Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot! So 20th century.
The problem with grand plans and pruning people to achieve them is that social dominators, people who think they know best, end up deciding what to achieve and how people should be. Frankly, the track record of this sort of governing is not very good.
I acknowledge that I tend more libertarian (note the small l) than any other point on the political compass but that is because its opposite pole is authoritarian. I am definitely anti-authoritarian because I realized long ago that under any really strict authoritarian system, I would be one of the first ones on a train or in a killing field and all authoritarian systems end up being strict ones. Maybe that is why your comments alarmed me.
June 19, 2008 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I forgot to add that big-L Libertarians are not any more appealing. They may not bother to kill you but are perfectly willing to let you die if you can't keep up.
June 19, 2008 10:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Shades of Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot! So 20th century.
Oh come on. I'm not talking about totalitarian schemes for total human perfection. I'm not proposing gulags, purges of enemies of the state, re-education camps or fully planned economies. I'm not calling for any dictatorships of the proletariat, or revolutionary committees or vanguards. And I'm not calling for the absolute collectivization of everything. This is the sort of hysterical, paranoid anti-government fanaticism one expects from the radical right and followers of Ayn Rand.
But I do believe, along with most of what was traditionally called the "left", that a lot of important achievements in this world require vigorous activist government, and some measure of rational planning and organization. I also believe that the maintenance of a moral order, regulated reciprocity and cultivated standards or behavior is responsible for the fruits of what we call "civilization". I am not part of that post-Reagan, post-Clinton neoliberal generation that is enamored of the magical power of free markets. I don't think everything good in this world simply emerges from the random, radically de-centralized, self-interested pleasure seeking of individuals looking out for number one. And I'm no libertarian or anarchist (or "libertarian socialist" or anarcho-syndicalist") who believes law and coercion are unalloyed evils, and that if we somehow ended coercive government, everyone would naturally fall into natural, cooperative patters of harmonious voluntarism.
The capture of the left by libertarianism thinking, with its inordinate fixations on private sphere freedoms and sexual liberties, is in my view responsible for the historical neutralization and defeat of the left, and several decades of right-wing ascendancy, social atomization and rising inequality. If you want to preserve an inegalitarian society, there is no better way to do it than to get people to ignore everything pertaining to social cohesion, community interaction, disciplined long-term social plans and collective projects, and get them to focus entirely on what drugs they are free to take, what toys they are free to buy and what bodies they are free to screw.
June 19, 2008 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah. Saying any sort of social common agenda is akin to Maoism, that's just goofy.
A great example of why I dislike ideological simpletons on both sides. They're mirror images.
June 19, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I don't think everyone I disagree with is a simpleton.
June 19, 2008 9:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Neither do I, nor did I say that. Some certainly are though.
June 19, 2008 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dan...
As I said, I have followed your posts and comments here at the Cafe for several years and more often than not agree with your views. I thought at first to simply ask you for illustrations but the part of your comment I quoted did disturb me, not least because I thought maybe I had misjudged you previously. Thanks for the clarification.
I am hardly anti-government since I continue to believe, perhaps, naively, that we, the people are the government, that as citizens, we have duties and obligations as well as rights and that we should choose our representatives with more care than we've been doing for the past half-century.
I am not against activist government as long as it is competent but prefer persuasion to coercion and a broad consensus for major programs or new laws. A broad consensus usually provides all the coercion that is needed to maintain moral order and standards of behavior. The hard part is accomodating rational and respectful challenges.
It is really a shame that radical free marketeers have arrogated the libertarian label to themselves. They have discredited the name much like the overly pc left and the social libertarians you describe have discredited the liberal brand.
I agree with Berkely.
There seems to be change in perspective among some of the younger libertarians recently. A few days ago Will Wilkerson was pointing out that Hayek was in favor of a guaranteed minimum income and not nearly as anti-government as he is generally portrayed. Several others including Megan McArdle formerly known as Jane Galt have recognized the possibility of useful government programs. And it was a recent guest here, Brink Lindsay, who wrote about Liberaltarianism in TNR 12/06. I think I remember your telling Brink exactly what you thought of his philosophy but I don't think you knew he had been rethinking it.
I think we may have to accept that Randian libertarianism is very appealing to twenty somethings. Fortunately most of the brighter ones grow out of it.
June 19, 2008 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have followed your comments for several years now and had no idea you were such an authoritarian
Everybody except for the anarchist is an authoritarian to some degree or another. All governments are intrinsically coercive. The issue is to what end?
Life does not come with an instruction manual on how to live it so we have to decide for ourselves.
June 20, 2008 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Everybody except for the anarchist is an authoritarian to some degree or another."
Of course they are. The line from anarchy to totalitarianism is a continuum. That is why I said "such an authoritarian". My own inclinations fall just slightly off center tilting more toward the anarchy pole than the totalitarian.
I am all for insisting on mutual cooperation to provide all members of society with basic survival and security needs up to and including national service obligations. Beyond that, I think people should be persuaded or inspired to accomplish any grand plans, not coerced.
Yes, my comments to Dan were hyperbolic -- intentionally. I wanted him to notice that his own words could be interpreted in ways he may not have intended.
June 20, 2008 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sleeper’s piece is fascinating take on the thoughts of a self examining journalist; something we can do with more in my opinion.
Rarely do journalist examine themselves. Sleeper does it once removed second person. His target: David Brooks.
I read Brooks here and there but mostly avoid him.
So I'm going to agree on the parochial observation that what is distasteful in Brooks is his lack of fidelity to any enduring modus operandi. That is clearly a character flaw in Brooks. He seems to be a person not very well anchored in any enduring ideology.
But I want to put my two cents in as to why such aimlessness is more likely to occur on the conservative side than on the left.
As far as I understand it, Conservativism is not so much an ideology as a strategy for coping in this world. Left movement people on the other hand possess a solid ideology rooted in the Enlightment and the belief in the perfectibility (or at least improvement) of mankind.
I disagree slightly with Sleeper that conservatives are stuck on "smaller government" alone. Let's not forget that conservatives are all for selective government intervention in people's lives as long as it is not economic intervention. The worship at the altar of “Small Government” ueber alles is the specialty of Libertarians.
The tragic side of conservatism is that going through life with merely a strategy for coping leaves you pretty empty as far as a reason to exist. Merely maintaining (some type of) status quo is thin gruel indeed. This might also explain the fervent religiosity as a way to give “meaning” to one’s existence.
It is apt to give you a permanent case of pessimism.
Left wing people are usually chomping at the bit to get somewhere. To "change", to "move forward". to implement "moral ideals" to fully express “the inner self” and sometimes in doing so they get themselves in trouble--at which point conservatives can say "I told you so".
My suspicion is that it is a matter of temperament as to where you wind up: Conservative or Left leaning, although there is considerable crossover.
Why does Brooks meander back and forth? Probably because he has observed that going the way of the political winds keeps him employed, but that's just a guess.
June 19, 2008 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
lol. Oh, the hilarity.
Yes, narcissism is a rare and precious gift among pundits, both left and right, and should be cherished like water in the desert.
Strat must be a Freeper. How else to explain it? Does anyone know a "Liberal Democrat" like this guy? Who applauds pundits for more navel gazing? Get real.
June 19, 2008 1:20 AM | Reply | Permalink