Obama on Jerusalem: Why the Fuss?
Barack Obama' speech to AIPAC on Wednesday was a hit. Contrary to predictions that the AIPAC crowd would receive Obama coldly, he was met with enthusiasm. A friend who was in the room said, "Obama was a huge hit. The college kids in particular went crazy. But all the people I saw seemed to want to be part of Obama's historic journey."
John McCain also scored with the AIPAC members. That is less newsworthy because McCain has not been the target of a vicious and libelous smear e-mail campaign within the Jewish community.
While the crowd inside the Washington Convention Center was pleased by Obama's speech, a lot of people outside the room were not. One phrase in particular was a turn-off for the critics. It was Obama's reference to Jerusalem as "the capital of Israel" which "must remain undivided." The statement was widely criticized as pandering, particularly by Dana Milbank in the Washington Post. Other critics said that Obama's position would doom Israeli-Palestinian negotiations because if the city is to remain undivided, there is nothing to negotiate about.
Pandering? Obviously Milbank has not seen very many speeches in which politicians pander to Jewish audiences. If he did, he would know that panderers do not endorse the peace process and do not call for high-level US involvement to advance the two-state solution. Instead they routinely bash Palestinians as terrorists - getting their audiences to their feet by using the "never again" mantra as justification for hanging on to the territories and, even more, the status quo.
That is not what Obama did. I don't believe he ever has. Nor, to its credit, did his audience hold back in its applause, waiting for the "red meat" that never came.
Times are changing.
Obama emphasized that he will make negotiations a priority. "We can and we should help Israelis and Palestinians both fulfill their national goals: two states living side by side in peace and security." He pointedly said that he would not wait seven years before becoming personally involved in advancing Israeli-Palestinian negotiations toward the two-state solution.
His determination to promote negotiations was unambiguous.
Nonetheless, Obama's critics insist that a President cannot advance negotiations while simultaneously pledging that Jerusalem must remain undivided.
I certainly hope that he can, because I do not believe that Jerusalem will ever again be physically divided. Nor do I believe that it should be. Perhaps I'm naïve but, for me, the idea of dividing cities and peoples in an effort to achieve peace is oxymoronic. Peace requires removing walls, not building new ones.
That is why I never liked the whole idea of unilateral disengagement. Disengagement failed because it was accomplished without negotiating with Palestinians or even consulting with them. It was as if the Palestinians didn't matter. They would take whatever Israel gave them.
It didn't work out that way. The Israelis pulled out and Hamas havoc followed. As many of us predicted, only a withdrawal negotiated with Mahmoud Abbas would have been likely to succeed. (It might even have prevented Hamas' rise to power.) One thing is certain. The results of a negotiated withdrawal could only be better than those of unilateral withdrawal - the onslaught against Sderot and the walling off of a million Palestinians.
Obama knows that Jerusalem is one of the "final status" issues on which Israelis and Palestinians must reach agreement if there is to be peace. He also knows, as everyone knows, that without an agreement on Jerusalem, peace cannot be achieved.
But he understands that peace should not require the physical division of Jerusalem -- but rather the sharing of it. That means, as President Clinton envisioned, that East Jerusalem would revert to Palestinian control while West Jerusalem would remain Israeli. Special arrangements would be made for the holy sites.
That can be done while maintaining the physical unity of the city, i.e. no walls. Yes, that will require ingenuity. But, even more, it requires will and imagination.
There are those who argue that it is unrealistic to expect Israelis and Palestinians to share the city and that security for both peoples can only be ensured by separation.
I don't buy it. Envisioning Israeli-Palestinian peace these days is itself an act of hardheaded faith. So is imagining that the settlements will come down and that Palestinian militants will accept the right of Israelis to live in what they consider to be Palestine. An agreement based on cold "realism," on the premise that the only way to ensure security is through physical separation is doomed to fail. Dreams matter. Are there really Palestinians or Israelis who dream of two Jerusalems rather than one?
I have to admit that I have strong feelings on this subject. I made my first trip to Israel in 1968, exactly a year after the reunification of the city. I was with a Jewish student group and we spent a few months at the Rivoli Hotel on Salah-al-Din Street. Salah-al-Din Street is East Jerusalem's Main Street. Just outside Herod's Gate, adjacent to the Damascus Gate, it is the heart of Palestinian Jerusalem. I think we were the first Jewish group ever housed there. We may also have been the last.
Back in 1967, the hope was that Jerusalem would become one city after 19 years of division. But, in the years since, the two sectors have grown further apart. One of the new Israeli highways practically cuts the city in two and it is physically more difficult to move from one side to another today than at any time since 1967. Whenever I'm in Jerusalem, I walk over to Salah-al-Din to see my old haunts. Other than cops and the occasional soldier, there are few Israelis to be seen. Palestinians don't much venture up the hill to the other side either.
Peace will be achieved not by further division but by the real unification that will be produced when undivided Jerusalem serves as the shared capital of two countries. Dividing it with walls and check points would tear the heart out of the city. Sharing it would save its soul.
Jerusalem is very much on the negotiating table. As Obama said on CNN after the speech, "Obviously, it's going to be up to the parties to negotiate a range of these issues. And Jerusalem will be a part of those negotiations." But, he added, "Israel has a legitimate claim on that city."
That is absolutely right.
I think the Obama AIPAC speech, and his warm reception there, will make the task of the e-mail smear artists more difficult. But I don't think they are going to stop peddling their lies.
Nor will Obama be the only target. John McCain will also receive his share of smears. Every four years Israel becomes a political football kicked around by partisans of the respective candidates.
Ideally, however, the issue will move off center stage. Both candidates are pro-Israel. And both are, even more than that, committed to advancing the security of the United States.
That requires helping Israelis and Palestinians achieve an agreement that guarantees peace and security for both peoples. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not the sole cause of anti-American animus and anti-American terrorism but it is one of the most significant ones. The 44th President cannot hope to win the so-called war on terror unless he is prepared to lead America back to its role of honest broker in the region. That means ending the bloodshed, relieving the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, and moving quickly toward a political agreement.
That is what I hope the next President will do. If not, the situation will deteriorate rapidly. Let's hope that the next President will be pushing hard for a breakthrough starting on Day 1.
One last point. I am glad Obama got a good reception at AIPAC. The deft way he handled what might have been a dicey situation demonstrates to me that he can go all the way. He avoided a fight while at the same time maintaining his convictions. To those who would have had him to go to AIPAC and give a full-fledged end-the-occupation speech, get over it. He didn't betray his convictions but he didn't offend his audience either. In fact, he made some powerful new friends.
Good for him and (I can't believe I'm saying this) good for AIPAC for being open to Obama and what he had to say rather than reserving its enthusiasm for the McCain-Lieberman hardline. (It didn't hurt that a fourth of Obama's audience was Jewish college kids, not exactly dying to go back to school in September as John McCain supporters).










Comments (46)
Good explication of the subtleties of proper pandering as opposed to more open views.
Much like parenting, there is not that much an American president can guarantee, but there is much he can screw up. I have confidence that Obama will practice the wise caution, the careful choosing of battlegrounds on which to make a stand, and the suppleness of response to changing conditions that characterize good parenting.
June 6, 2008 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
"There are those who argue that it is unrealistic to expect Israelis and Palestinians to share the city and that security for both peoples can only be ensured by separation. I don't buy it."
I don't buy it either. Both sides understand that their holy sites belong to neither side. Both sides respect that. And, as Obama pointed out, the majority on both sides have a desire for peace. The goal should be to first define what is holy and then set it aside, out of reach of the negotiations. Then, as Obama suggested, the parties that seek a peaceful solution should be empowered and supported. For too long the situation has been left in the hands of politicians and those who have a vested interest in keeping the conflict going. Obama has subtly hinted that he would change the equation. I look forward to watching him tackle this problem.
June 6, 2008 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Fine, sure, there are many things to negotiate about besides the status of Jerusalem, but that's a really really big one. If the city is to remain undivided, then who gets it? Israel or Palestine? Oh, you want a "shared capital", with no physical divisions, that is to be shared between two groups that hate each other? You are living in fantasy land if you think this can happen within 40 years, much less 4. And this is all moot anyway, as Obama backtracked on his "undivided Jersualem" position anyway when confronted with the tiniest of criticisms from the Palestinian lobby. See:
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0547673120080605
June 6, 2008 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Oh, you want a "shared capital", with no physical divisions, that is to be shared between two groups that hate each other? You are living in fantasy land if you think this can happen within 40 years, much less 4."
You and Don Bacon should go be ill-informed together somewhere. You've become too cozy with being able to be a ninny in public knowing that the scrutiny will always fall on your Ninny-In-Chief. What will you and your ilk do when you have a sane, rational, thoughtful President? I have no idea, but I know a lot of people who are going to do everything in their power to find out. Will sunlight make you wither and die? January knows...
June 6, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
ondioline,
who are you addressing?
June 7, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dear MJ:
I thought you and your colleagues might enjoy this:
"Barak says share Jerusalem / Condi lies about Iran talks "
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/5/9014/49227/845/530047
"That would be then Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak in 2000 during the Camp David II and Taba talks with Yasser Arafat and the Palestinian Authority. Alas Barack Obama went one phrase unnecessarily too far in his speech to AIPAC yesterday.
Meanwhile it is also important to go into details on Condi Rice's big lie the day before regarding who refuses to talk with whom and why between the Bush/Cheney/Rove adminstration and Iran."
More in the full posting:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/5/9014/49227/845/530047
Peace & Health
June 6, 2008 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I want to know how explosive and controversial is his statement on Jerusalem remaining solely in Israel to Palestinians? I think that statement was incendiary to Palestinians.
Knowing that a Palestinian assasinated RFK makes it a bad omen.
June 6, 2008 11:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Again, there is nothing in Obama's statement that says Jerusalem will remain solely in Israel's hands. You have to be more careful and precise when you read these diplomatic statements. Obama said:
1.Jerusalem should remain Israel's capital
2.It should be undivided
That is consistent with the possibility that
3. Jerusalem should be the capital of Palestine
Several such proposals have been made in recent years, including by Arab leaders.
Nevertheless, I did find Obama's speech very disappointing on the whole. It really does look like the months of political blackmail, viral email campaigns and other forms of hardball from the pro-Israel community have taken their toll, and Obama has been forced to swallow the Kool-aid. And MJ's comment that the difference between panderers and non-panderers on Israel is that panderers don't enforce the peace process is pretty lame. Only the far right doesn't endorse the peace process at all, but pandering on Israel is rife across the political spectrum.
I feel deeply embarrassed for Obama. It looks like the day when a president can speak bluntly about Israel, and diverge in more than cosmetic ways from the party line is still far off in the future. Aipac made the slave beg for his supper, and Obama was forced to do it. You can almost see the whip marks on his back.
I still have some confidence that Obama will turn out to be better on these issues than Clinton would have been. But I have spent several months now working very hard to defeat Clinton precisely because of her approach to Middle East issues. And I'm not going to have much patience with signs of a sell-out. If Obama turns into an Iran and Lebanon hawk, and throws the Palestinians under a bus, I'm going to start hammering him very hard.
June 6, 2008 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
From the current NY Times web site:
"Oil prices surged almost 8 percent, to $138.54 a barrel after a senior Israeli politician raised the specter of an attack on Iran and the dollar fell against the euro."
Oh, maybe it won't be so risky to defy the Israeli party line before long....
June 6, 2008 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
bluebell,
Avodah, Likud, Kadima.... What line of which Israeli party? Or do they still speak "with one voice" (Luke 23:18)?
June 8, 2008 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
"If Obama turns into an Iran and Lebanon hawk, and throws the Palestinians under a bus, I'm going to start hammering him very hard."
You're going to have a lot of company, me included.
June 7, 2008 7:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why do you think Hillary voted for the Iraq war? She eventually needed to get re-elected in New York. The Israel lobby controls a lot of potential campaign money and votes. This is why Obama's first act after declaring victory was giving a speech before neocon-packed AIPAC. I'm sure he wishes the timing had been better but there is is. You gotta play the game.
June 7, 2008 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
vicissitudes,
I sometimes ask myself; why should the United States concern itself with who owns, rules, populates or shares, Jerusalem.
June 8, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let's see now, besides what MJ reports Obama mentioned:
--Hezbollah rocket attacks [but not Israel's rape of Lebanon]
--the three kidnapped IDF soldiers [but not the thousands of kidnapped Palestinians]
--Israel's "unilateral [Hezbollah-forced] withdrawal from Lebanon"
--Iran supplying Hezbollah with rockets [but not the US supplying Israel with cluster bombs and other offensive weapons]
--the threat of the Iran "regime" [what threat?]
--the Holocaust [groan]
--"it is time to deny the deniers" [nice rhetoric]
--Iran's "call for the elimination of another [UN] member state." [thoroughly disproved by Juan Cole and others]
--the need to stop Iran’s [legal] uranium enrichment program and prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons [the IAEA stated last month that there is no diversion]
--we should take no option off the table [i.e. bomb Iran]
--prevent the smuggling of weapons and cash by Iran
into Gaza [cash? Oh my God.]
--our unique [treaty-less] defense relationship with Israel
--Hamas [but not Israel] must "renounce the use of violence" before negotiations
Yep -- sure looks fair and balanced to me. No wonder "Obama was a huge hit."
June 6, 2008 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your grasp on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and related Middle East diplomatic concerns is so poor that I think you would need to spend the rest of your life in a library just to get to a state of neutral ignorance. Looking at this foolish, uninformed comment I literally pity you.
June 6, 2008 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh no, not that, anything but literal pity.
Perhaps you could lend a little substance to the discussion, if you're able?
June 6, 2008 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Oh no, not that, anything but literal pity."
LOL!
"Perhaps you could lend a little substance to the discussion, if you're able?"
Doesn't look like it, does it?
June 7, 2008 7:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
How come all the outrage is about the Jerusalem comment and not about this part:
and this part:
June 6, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
In a sense it doesn't matter what Obama or the US says about I/P. There's a new paradigm emerging in the ME. Others have stepped in to take up the slack of US inattention to the realities.
Israel, Egypt and Qatar are talking to the democratically-elected Gaza leaders (Hamas), and they just may work something out. As a part of this pattern, Qatar negotiated the recent Lebanon settlement and Egypt is hosting an Israel-Syria discussion to end their long state of war and return the Golan Heights to Syria. Both of these actions are contrary to US policy. Iran is coordinating with Turkey on their mutual Kurdish terrorist problem.
The US is still the big dog, but if its only contributions are Bush- and Obama-style bluster just to appease AIPAC in a quest for campaign funds, then others can step in and they are.
June 6, 2008 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
"In a sense it doesn't matter what Obama or the US says about I/P. There's a new paradigm emerging in the ME. Others have stepped in to take up the slack of US inattention to the realities."
It will matter a great deal what Obama does, if elected, but I couldn't agree more with you on a new paradigm emerging in the ME.
There's also a new paradigm regarding Palestine/Israel emerging in the U.S.. AIPAC may be at its height, but I think it's also poised for a fall, a big one.
Despite my own criticism of Obama on another thread,
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/06/yesterday-was-the-day-the-chan.php
some observations made there by hrebendorf have prompted me to regain confidence in Obama:
"My advice is to take a longer, broader view. Don't assign too much weight to a single speech. Instead, watch for a direction and an intent. And don't forget what he's said in the past, because he hasn't. He hasn't sold his soul and he won't."
Also this:
"He's an insurgent. Unless I'm mistaken, he'll attempt to do for the Israelis and the Palestinians what he's done for America: marginalize the powers that be and put the power in the hands of the people."
An elected Obama + a new, emerging ME paradigm + new, emerging U.S.-Palestine/Israel paradigm -- this could get very interesting indeed.
June 7, 2008 7:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for this article. I only hope others can achieve a more balanced perspective.
(BTW, Don, Obama and the DNC are not taking special interest funds.)
June 6, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the recent book The Israel Lobby, the authors claim that Jewish campaign contributions comprise 60% of Democrat donations, and Jewish voters turn out in high percentages.
June 6, 2008 11:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
"...Jewish campaign contributions comprise 60% of Democrat donations..."
What with Obama's more than 1,5 million donors and other, similar developments, surely that can no longer be the case.
June 7, 2008 7:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Then why did Obama present a one-sided, pandering view on I/P when he kowtowed to AIPAC? A view that was strongly denounced by even Mahmoud Abbas?
June 7, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think you've missed my other comments on this thread.
June 7, 2008 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, I haven't. You have made no comments about campaign financing previous to the one I commented on.
June 7, 2008 11:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
That isn't what I meant. And you're not addressing what I wrote. But continue to be as thick as a brick without me.
June 8, 2008 6:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh no, not that, anything but thick as a brick.
Perhaps you might do me the favor of describing whatever you wrote that I failed to address.
June 8, 2008 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don Bacon,
Is it the problem that many American Jews favor positive US-Israel relations, or that Jews participate in the process at all? Meanwhile, Beit Podhoretz is not the Pharisees and the Israel Lobby is more plural than the singularity that Walt and Mearsheimer would have us presume.
[And, by the way, "Democrat donations"? Way to give the Full Lieberman.]
June 8, 2008 10:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bar Kafka,
Neither is a problem, best exemplified by MJ Rosenberg who, on most days, is a sensible, balanced proponent for sensible policies. The influence that The Lobby has on policies which are bad for both the US and Israel is a problem, however, which again MJ Rosenberg has thoughtfully criticized on most days.
The present discussion involves the pandering of Obama before the premier Israeli lobby, AIPAC, and the reasons for it.
June 8, 2008 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don Bacon,
I get it. I will even grant you that the "undivided Jerusalem" remark is in the ballpark of routine politics. But it seems hyperbolic to suggest that Obama is pandering any more to AIPAC in this case than to any other interest group along the campaign trail, especially since he articulates his support for a "contiguous and cohesive" Palestine in the next breath.
MJ works for the Israel Policy Forum, which falls well within Walt's and Mearsheimer's definition of the Israel Lobby. Making a politically monolithic bogeyman of "The Lobby" only serves to spread the fallacy that Israel and Zionism represent a singularly nefarious influence on human civilization. That may not be your intent, but it is the effect.
June 8, 2008 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with your interpretation of Obama's undivided remark, but I believe he still made a mistake. The Palestinians were deeply offended and interpreted the remark as support for Israeli control over Jerusalem. Phil Weiss has a good take on this today. http://www.philipweiss.org/
June 6, 2008 2:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
What would happen if Israel and the Unites States washed their hands of one another?
June 6, 2008 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Israel would cease to exist.
June 6, 2008 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
chemjeff says"
"Israel would cease to exist."
I'm not so sure I agree with that.
By the way, you didn't address what would happen in the USA.
June 7, 2008 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not so quick to agree with chemjeff either. For example, the US is not even Israel's largest trading partner (that would be the EU). But I don't think all that much would change in the US either, for good or ill. The US has much bigger problems that have nothing to do with the overall Israeli-Arab conflict.
June 8, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
What is needed is a balanced honest-broker approach to the Middle East. The Arabs don't perceive the US, especially during the past 8 years, as being even handed.
Obama has often said in his stump speeches that went to Detroit telling auto executives to up the fuel efficiency of cars, as an example of how he can stand up to entrenched interests. That Obama was not seen in the AIPAC speech.
He veered from his prepared speech when he said:
Everything can mean diplomacy and includes "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Iran". Here is a "fun read" if the US gets involved in a war with Iran. article link
The AIPAC crowd was happy with the speech while the Palestinians were not. A more balanced speech would have resulted in the AIPAC crowd happy with certain things and unhappy about others. The same with the Palestinians. Both sides need to hear that they can't get everything they want. The way the speech came out is that AIPAC pretty much got to hear everything that they wanted. That is a politician talk in front of a crowd.
I hope that Obama is not changing before he has had the opportunity to make changes.
June 6, 2008 9:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Blue Pearl,
The speech calls for "a contiguous and cohesive" Palestinian state. If everything we hear about Zionism's genocidal policies against the Palestinians is supposed to be true, maybe we ought to be reading about AIPAC's apoplexy about that. Does the entire conflict and its resolution amount to nothing but an ambiguous diplomatic approach to the status of Jerusalem? What's really going on here?
June 8, 2008 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
ooops -- Arab anger causes Obama to backtrack on Jerusalem
Israel National News:
Responding to Obama's remarks, a livid [Mahmoud] Abbas told reporters, "This statement is totally rejected. The whole world knows that holy Jerusalem was occupied in 1967 and we will not accept a Palestinian state without having Jerusalem as the capital."
By Thursday Obama was quickly backpedaling, telling reporters "Well, obviously it's going to be up to the parties to negotiate a range of these issues. And Jerusalem will be part of those negotiations… As a practical matter, it would be very difficult to execute [a policy of the capital remaining undivided.]"
Obama went on to expressed the view that there must be a way in which "everyone has access to the extraordinary religious sites in Old Jerusalem, but that Israel has a legitimate claim on that city."
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/126429
June 6, 2008 11:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Holy Jerusalem"? I thought the Israelis were supposed to be the theocratic triumphalist bogeyman in this drama?
June 8, 2008 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
"As many of us predicted, only a withdrawal negotiated with Mahmoud Abbas would have been likely to succeed."
Mahmoud Abbas finances the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. It is the "armed wing" of Abbas' Fatah Party:
"March 12, 2008 JAFFA – The Israel Defense Forces today killed the man suspected of planning last week's Jerusalem shooting massacre in which eight yeshiva students were murdered, security sources said.
Just hours after the terrorist shooting, a WND report exclusively identified the planner of the attack, quoting senior Israeli and Palestinian security officials stating Muhammad Shehadi, an activist in Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah organization, set up the massacre from the West Bank city of Bethlehem.
Today, IDF forces raided Bethlehem on a hunt for Shehadi. They killed the Fatah official along with three other gunmen, including Ahmed Dalbul, a Bethlehem-area leader of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, Fatah's declared military wing."
Rosenberg's idea of a peace partner for Israel - Mahmoud Abbas, a "militant" who targets Jewish kids for murder.
And since you are perverting the language so assiduously, Rosenberg, why call use the word "militants" when describing Jew killers? Why not invoke the term "freedom fighters"?
June 7, 2008 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
The planner of the 2006 Israeli war on Lebanon was Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. The conflict killed over a thousand people, most of whom were Lebanese civilians, severely damaged Lebanese infrastructure; and displaced approximately one million Lebanese. I say put out a contract on this killer who targets innocent Lebanese for murder.
June 7, 2008 11:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama is a 'one size fits all' candidate saying what he thinks his audience wants to hear. He is just like those guys who would enter a town selling a 'cure-all' elixir. He's a smooth talker but I would never trust him. And concerning Jerusalem, read what Prof. Kedar said during his interview with Al-Jazeera TV:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3552980,00.html
Jerusalem is not on the table!! And as far as I'm concerned, neither is Judea and Samaria!
June 7, 2008 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chaya,
A call for secession, perhaps?
June 8, 2008 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
The basis of Zionism is Jewish secession. End that and you can have a new beginning. Leave it as it is and you have the resistance and reaction we've seen for a century.
Unfortunately, Israel wants to engender fear and loathing among all those whose homeland it wants to keep as an ethno-religious island. Eventually, the umbilical cord to the outside world must come undone, or else Israel will be still-born in a larger historical context. Sixty years isn't much. A few more decades, another century or two, may be all it takes if Israel doesn't grow up and broaden its basis for existence to include those it has attempted to secede from.
June 8, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
vicissitudes,
I sometimes ask myself; why should the United States concern itself with who owns, rules, populates or shares, Jerusalem.
June 8, 2008 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink