America's Two Leading Black Columnists on RFK/Hillary Story
Bob Herbert, New York Times, and Gene Robinson, Washington Post, are the most influential African-American columnists writing today. Both published columns today on the Hillary/RFK story.
Both are worth reading.
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Hillary has been given so many passes by the media and supporters, I've lost count. Keith Olbermann skewered Hillary over her assassination comments (and rightly so IMHO). IF HILLARY has any MORAL decency, she should have 'denounced' and 'renounced' her own comments immediately and unequivocally. Historically, she was off on the facts and politically, only damaged herself vis-à-vis Super Delegates, Party leaders, political hacks, and ‘hero’ worshippers. There are lot of unstable people in the world and it doesn't take much to push a person(s) over the edge in trying to knock off a Presidential candidate, a U.S. President in office (Reagan, Gerald Ford, Kennedy, George Wallace (Gov), Lincoln, etc.). And even Huckabee’s joking of Obama dodging gunfire can be above the understanding of those claiming to have an actual I.Q . Obama gives the American people the benefit of the doubt but where Obama goes wrong is that many Americans are also really not that bright (even with a college education and diploma in hand).
May 27, 2008 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why read Herbert when you can just read
Daily Reich?
There is no perspective or balance in Herbert's
writing.
May 27, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ah yes, calling people who disagree with you Nazis when you can't refute logic. Good show.
I will now proceed to call you a Nazi, Mr. Hitler.
May 27, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for pointing these out MJ.
I've thought about Sen. Clinton's RFK comments from all different points of view and I still can't find a redeemable explanation.
May 27, 2008 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
When John Kerry made his joke about "not being smart and winding up in Iraq" most knew he was talking about GW Bush. Sen Clinton took the low road and threw Sen Kerry under the bus. Her response was that we didn't want the 2008 election to be a repeat of the 2004 election. According to Sen Clinton Kerry's gaffe made him unqualified to be a candidate for POTUS.
What goes around comes around. We don't want the next election to be about the bad parts of the Clinton years.
May 27, 2008 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Like you, I've always felt Kerry was unfairly dissed for the "stuck in Iraq" remark. It was always clear to me that he was talking about Bush, not hapless enlistees.
Interestingly, though, I've been a lot easier on HRC for her RFK comment than most people, it seems. Since hearing about it last week I've generally accepted the argument by her supporters that the point was simply about the calendar. (The separate argument--namely that her citing of 1968 ignores a very different kind of primary dynamic, and that to claim in 1992 that WJC was not the all-but-certain nominee well before June--is a much more valid criticism of Clinton's controversial remark.)
Your comment about her criticism of Kerry's "stuck in Iraq" gaffe is very interesting to me. I don't recall her saying that (but then it's not the sort of thing I have a good memory for). But I certainly agree with you that if she did, it's hypocrisy of the worst kind.
May 27, 2008 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Re: Sen Hillary Clinton on John Kerry's joke
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Among the Democrats joining the chorus critical of Kerry's comment was potential 2008 presidential rival New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, who, while stopping short of demanding an apology, called Kerry's comments "inappropriate."
"I think we have to look forward here we don't need to be refighting the 2004 election as much as President Bush would like that to happen," Clinton told reporters at an event for military families in New York. "What Senator Kerry said was inappropriate and I believe we can't let it divert us from looking at the issues that are at stake in our country."
May 27, 2008 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
What bad parts?
You mean the unprecedented standard of living for
the middle class?
Or do you mean the unprecedented peace?
Or do you mean unprecedented work on environmental causes?
Those bad parts?
May 27, 2008 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's see, what bad parts could there have been?
Perhaps the "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" part. One could argue that the episode provided enough diversion that others issues were not dealt with effectively.
But then I don't have my rose colored glasses on.
May 27, 2008 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
yes, and the atrocious atrocities committed in the name of "free trade" (but actually called corporate proxy action or something like that) also are a black stain, though most people don't pay attention to "pinko" stuff like whether or not we nearly singlehandedly destroyed Jamaica's economy and self-reliance for years just because Chiquita wanted to break into the European banana market and there was a European trade agreement that protected former colonies until they could stand on two feet.
Now we all know that corporations cannot lobby the WTO. That would be cheating. But guess who can - governments like Bill Clinton's!
Perhaps as an upper middle class college kid I can focus on these things a little more, but that doesn't mean that they're non-issues.
May 27, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's also his signature of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which is directly to blame for the current economic crisis.
May 27, 2008 9:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or maybe the grossly injustice laws of crack vs. powder cocaine that sent more black men to prison than ANYONE else's term! ($5 worth of crack or $500,000 worth of powder - real fair) Or maybe it was the lack of legislation to prevent the tech bubble. Or maybe we were to busy trying not to let the GOP impeach his behind that genocide went on in Rwanda, Osama blew up embassies and was planning 9/11 but we were diverted. Some of those bad parts. Should we continue?
May 28, 2008 1:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Over the last few weeks the Clinton campaign has taken on an Alice in Wonderland character. It is as though the candidate and her entire campaign staff has gone down a rabbit whole into a world filled with sad self delusion and fanciful wishful thinking.
On the bright side the theater of the absurd quality of Hillary's campaign is highly entertaining. I can hardly wait to see what blunder she commits today.
May 27, 2008 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
"rabbit hole" although "rabbit whole" is probably certainly in keeping with a Lewis Carroll reference.
May 27, 2008 11:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Seems to me that she internalized some message of "I'm not a quitter." And she has taken that message way too literally, identified with it.
Sometimes sanity means knowing when to "let go." All maxims have their limits. But apparently she never got that message.
I think perhaps that accounts for her changing reasons for staying in the primary. If she leaves it, and her identity is wrapped up in "I'm not a quitter," then she literally loses, not just the primary, but her identity. Thus, she must keep inventing "reasons" to stay in.... to "not quit." (so sad)
There are many things in life that we can accomplish with enough will-power. But in an election, will-power (on the part of a candidate) simply doesn't change the mind of voters. That's where she's stuck, I think. She needs to recognize that this is a task she can't do alone. And the public won't do it for her apparently.
Wisdom.... it's seems lacking here.
May 27, 2008 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks MJ...
From Gene's article I like this best:
"That's the Clinton way: Ask forgiveness, not permission"
For them to be so smart, at some point you would think they would correct that. It's because they dont that I feel they know exactly what they do when they get in trouble, and they mock everyone who knows how smart they are when they play that way.
May 27, 2008 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Robinson misses the point. It's not the length of the campaign that Clinton is addressing. The complaint is that there will not be enough time before the convention to "unite" if the campaign runs into June. Irrelevant when the campaign began.
May 27, 2008 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
have you noticed something about the Obama camp (which includes almost everyone on TPM)? they're not content to have won. they're not content to have beaten Hillary. why is that?
May 27, 2008 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, duh, have you forgotten that this isn't about winning the nomination, it's about electing a President? So I for one am not "content" until we have a responsible head of state. To the degree that Clinton is getting in the way of that happening (and by her current style of campaigning, she certainly is), she is going to be invoking further discontent.
This isn't about winners and losers, it's about who will be running our country and on what principles they will do so.
May 27, 2008 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because Clinton has not suspended her campaign, and continues to work aggressively to pull out a late fourth quarter victory with such tools as endless electability arguments that disparage Obama's candidacy and promote division, battles over Florida and Michigan delegates, and blaming the Obama campaign for the effect of her own gaffes.
So long as Clinton continues to fight, we are forced to continue our fight. If she won't give up, we can't give up. Personally, I'm tired of this particular battle, and wish she would just give up the ghost. But Obama supporters can't afford to lie back passively, relax the defenses and allow for the possibility of some last minute Clinton machine hijinks or maneuver that would overturn the outcome. If you want us to knock it off, then send Clinton an email or a telegram, and tell her to quit. If she won't quit, then we are unfortunately going to have to continue to take her very seriously, and fight just as tenaciously as ever.
May 27, 2008 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gee, maybe it has something to do with the fact that Hillary, in her infinite lack of judgment and wisdom, refuses to sheathe her daggers and does not accept, as you do, that "Obama has won", and continues to undermine the party's nominee.
Aside from that, she's an offensive bullshit artist. Even had she not made the Freudian slip about RFK's murder, the FACTS that she was presenting were in fact falsehoods. Her husband had the nomination wrapped up for weeks before the CA primary, and Jerry Brown (the last candidate running) publicly stated that he was not going to run ads in CA.
As for 1968, well there were principles involved then, unlike now. Bobby and McCarthy were running to end a war that Humphrey was committed to continuing. What principle is Hillary running on? "Ready on Day One?"
May 27, 2008 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is because those on TPM are most concerned with the elimination of dishonesty malfeasance, which means we go after Clinton whenever she is dishonest or damages the goal of eliminating dishonesty and malfeasance.
May 27, 2008 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. Rosenberg, from reading your blog posts we all know that Hillary is an unworthy piece of drek and unfit to be President. Maybe she conspired with Sirhan Sirhan.
But how about taking a small rest from Hillary bashing, and tell us your opinion on why Obama's pledge to continue the economic boycott of Cuba is good for the US and why it is at all logical, considering our trade position with red,red China. Do his supporters really want to be deprived of visiting Havana or are we trying to get that Miami vote.
Thanks in advance. I look forward to your views.
May 27, 2008 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
The person doing the most effective job of "Hillary-bashing" is Hillary herself. It's her own insistence on parading her obvious inadequacies relentlessly before the public that has diminished her so severely. She stinks at this.
May 27, 2008 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is the most charitable view:
Clinton never thought there would be a true race. Two things show how deeply Clinton believed in her inevitability: Her confident assertion on national tv that the race would be over by February 5 (really, really something to behold), and that voters who disagreed with her on the AUMF should vote for someone else.
All of her posturing about why she is still in the race, including the "other campaigns have gone through June," and why she is really winning and why she is more electable, are just her way of making the facts fit the inevitability scenario as best as possible, even though it's a bad fit and the facts are totally different.
She can't believe she lost. She really can't.
May 27, 2008 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought the Keith Olbermann diatribe was embarrassingly overwrought--just political cant without serious substance. On the other hand, both Robinson and Herbert offer very thoughtful, yet devastating, analyses.
Whatever Clinton meant or was thinking at the time, the "assassination" comment was a serious error that underscores how ridiculous--and unnecessary--her campaign has become last 2 months. At this point, it's clear that HRC needs to stand back from her personal goals and see them for what they really are--personal.
Free your party and your country, Hillary!
May 27, 2008 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
i am disturbed by the denialism of hillary supporters as they defend their candidate's tasteless and provocative behavior. she is a narcissist confronting the limitations of her power.
the supporters who idealise her against all rational judgement about her nasty campaign are what? hopelessly in love with her because they are unquestioningly servile? believers in self serving definitions of truth? actually conservatives? racist? i dunno ! distressing that they see themselves as democrats because hillary has lurched towards the zell miller/ joe lieberman zone. hillary supporters seem to have alot in common with the30percenters
May 27, 2008 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, DairyStateDad, when Sen. Kerry muffed the joke about Iraq, Hillary Clinton went right down his throat.
Because she's my senator and (at the time) someone I very much admired, I recall vividly how shocked I was. It wasn't even said with regret, even fake regret ("Oh, there goes John, never could tell a joke..")-- she went for the throat and very clearly signaled that she was going to be in take-no-prisoners mode if he wanted to try to run for the Presidency again. -- It was a foretaste of the HRC we've seen on this campaign: there's no Hillary there, just The Competitor/Fighter/One Who Never Quits.
It's simply impossible to reconcile. On the one hand you get her self-praising condemnation of other's gaffes ('I know the voters of Pa and don't think they are bitter), troubles ('I wouldn't have stayed in that church), and even non-gaffes that she tries to make into errors (Obama's comments about Reagan). And on the other there is her totally self-forgiving and blameless attitute toward her own gaffes ("oh well everyone knew what I meant" about the RFK comment, 'white people' comment) or problems (a 4-times repeated outright lie becomes a "misstatement").
The only person I know of in public life who is so very blind to their own faults and limitations is George W. Bush .... and even HE is more forgiving to others!
I appreciate Eugene Robinson's willingness to say what so many of us (especially many women!) feel but which the press and pundits - with all the talk about 'grit' and 'determination' and 'strength' - pretend not to see: her campaign has become an embarrassment that has to do more with psychology than with politics. It's no favor to her to continue to applaud while she spirals downhill -- in fact, in my opinion THIS is the sexism problem.
Hillary is being allowed to do things that hurt the party, hurt the party's candidate, and make her appear foolish or much worse but it's being tolerated, not called for what it is. That's patronizing, by the press and the party big-wigs ..... and women don't HAVE to be patronized to win. In fact, if they invite and allow patronism - as Hillary has done with her constant victimization and continuing insistance that she *is* somehow viable -- then they have lost and hurt all of us.
Her decision to finish the campaign, going through all the contests, could certainly be admirable and a very good thing for her supporters. I don't think anyone thought less of Huckabee for staying in even after it was clear he would lose. But he wasn't savaging the candidate, ham-stringing the party, and defacing her own image in the process. She is. It's offensive - offensive to Hillary and women in general - to have this fumbling, careening, and futile effort reap glowing accolades for courage and strength and guts. (You wonder if they aren't really thinking/saying in private "Wow, it's really impressive how that gal is struggling. Of course, no man would act so foolish or keep fighting so long, but for a woman ... well, it's damned impressive.")
And to the person who commented that we Obama supporters are not content to have won, this doesn't feel like 'winning' - not at this point. He "won" the day of the IN and NC primaries, and celebration was duly had. What is happening now is a further, futile wounding of Obama, the party, Hillary herself and the hope and dreams of millions of women. When this race started, so many of us had very, very high hopes that, whether or not she ultimately won, a competent woman would be waging strong, dignified campaign, one that would solidly establish that those of our gender belong at this level along with everyone else. The campaign Hillary is running, especially since she lost the nomination, is very, very painful to us in a way that has absolutely nothing to do with Obama.
May 27, 2008 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Brilliant post. Thank you.
May 27, 2008 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I second that. People tell me not to worry that Clinton's candidacy reflects badly on women in general, but I find the level of denial and emotionalism to be really pathetic and more than a little embarrassing. And yes, I think if she had been a man she would have been subject to much more pointed suggestions to leave. It's not just that she is female, it's that she is the wife of a former president. In many ways, it is because she is accustomed to such deference that she finds it so hard to go. It's hard to give that up.
May 27, 2008 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you, Elizabeth2, wonderful post.
We have problems in this country -- racism and misogyny among them. On the one hand, Barack Obama exhorts us to reconcile, unify, and visualize the place where racism is not a factor anymore... and the picture he draws invites us to step into the place where racism is not a factor anymore.
On the other hand, Hillary Clinton points out the negativity of the glass ceiling and exhorts us to applaud her for trying to break through it and to cry with her because it is so hard, and finally to get angry on her behalf at anyone and everyone who stands in her way because she can't seem to break through it.
One path looks to the future and sees what can be when we all walk together after affirming our shared values and goals. The other path clutches to the past and seeks to make excuses for our failings by laying blame outside us.
I'm a 50+ hard working white woman, and I approve this post.
May 27, 2008 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, amen. That was really, really good.
May 27, 2008 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
oh--my whole comment didn't post.
what I was asking (above) was, why can't the Obama camp just be satisfied that their guy is going to be the candidate? why do they persist in humiliating Hillary, dragging her thru the mud? it's not enough they they prevailed; they seem to want to destroy her (and her husband and their legacy). there's so much hate! it's not necessary and it's not productive.
I'm a Hillary supporter and I agree it's time for her to get out of the race. but if she doesn't, well, that's her call. you guys know you've won: can you show a little grace in the winning and just kind of move on?
May 27, 2008 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
why does she persist in sticking her foot in her mouth? This statement is not Bosnia (which the Obama camp left alone) This is horrific.
May 28, 2008 1:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hi Gretz--
Elizabeth2 really hit the nail on the head. Obama supporters can't feel good about the coming election with the Hillary soap opera going full swing and threatening to hurt the candidate and party.
The things HRC has been saying over the last two months have become increasingly embarrassing (the FLA vote count situation is like the one in 2000 and/or like the situation in Zimbabwe, annihilate Iran if necessary, etc.). Her insistence on playing political hardball, then shouting foul when anything comes her way, her grandstanding and continuing shots at Obama even now that we know he's the nominee . . . We want her to stop!
May 27, 2008 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
From Blacks4Barack:
Black Americans, and many of all races are EXTREMELY disturbed by Hillary's insinuation of a possible assassination of Barack Obama. To imply that her reason for staying in the race is because anything can happen, then nonchalantly say that even Robert Kennedy was assassinated in June, meaning therefore she should stay in, is not only pitifully diobolical but incredibly dangerous.
As I read some of the comments, I sense that some do not understand the true impact of her deadly insinuation. Keep in mind, when it was first announced that Obama was running for President, the initial concern in Black America was his safety. "Would some nut sniper him"? Obama had to hire secret service security right out of the gate.....why? Because of the true possibilty of some nut doing harm to him or his family.
Also, during the last 50 years, the people who have been assassinated have ALL been leaders who were working toward equality for ALL. John F., Robert and of course Dr. King. So just the WORD assassination brings to us not only an extreme fear but is a reminder of the incredibly sad loss to America, particularly Blacks, at the hands of the sick and wicked. For Hillary Clinton, a so-called leader, to insinuate, for WHATEVER reason assassination....is beyond disgusting. It subliminally sparks the hatred, bigotry and destruction that most Americans have worked so hard to overcome.
Greg Jones
www.Blacks4Barack.org
May 27, 2008 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary's comment was outrageous and I am really tired of the people who say chill out about it. She has crossed the line. And the Trotta remark went beyond the bounds of all that is holy. But would Trotta have said it without first having received *permission* from Hillary's remark? There are plenty of whackos out there that might perceive it not just as *permission* but an an invitation.
No, I do not think Hillary was advocating assassination, but she opened the door and there are many people only too willing to go through it.
May 27, 2008 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
you forgot Malcolm X